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Old 07-23-2016, 11:25 PM
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As most of you know if you have been around a while I had given up on this forum for several reasons. Then I was asked to come back so I have been back a few months and nothing has changed all that much. One of the reasons I left was because of the attitude of some of the members of this forum. There are some still around that don't want to be told they might be wrong about what they think they understand.

I was blessed with the opportunity to actually get to work in a field I really enjoyed. That was the area of electronic troubleshooting. I was an industrial maintenance electrician for over 30 years. I loved that job and its challenges.

What really bothers me about this forum is there are those that insist on posting things that I know are just plain wrong. Now I don't care too much if the poster insists on believing whatever but what bothers me is there are those that really do want to learn. So how can they know what to believe when they see so much foolishness posted. I have tried in the past to explain why what was posted was wrong and sometimes it was accepted and understood in the way I had hoped it would be. But many times I have been accused of being a naysayer and sometimes much worse for trying to help. Anyone that has taken the time to read some of my posts would know immediately that I do believe OU may be possible. I have even seen with my own eyes a couple of things I thought might be genuine events of OU.

So what is a person who has a strong background in electronics supposed to do when they see foolishness posted? Do you just ignore it and hope it doesn't lead too many people astray? Or do you try to help by pointing out the mistakes made by the poster or video or whatever is being presented? How can you help without coming across as a know-it-all as I was just called in another thread on this forum? I do know there are several members of this forum that are sincerely trying to learn and are open to help. But there are also some here that will put down anyone that tries to correct mistaken ideas. So what is the answer?

Please keep your comments civil with no name calling.

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Just post it. Ignore the bashing the best you can. I find many times the post made by those getting bashed are very valuable. Ultimately we have to do our own experiments/observations. Many points of view are welcome to me to help make things make sense.
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Old 07-24-2016, 12:25 AM
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I have had similar experiences on the energy science forum.

The designers of TeslaGenX said I should not use 24 volts on their circuit board to run my 4 foot Bedini ssg.

Since I already built it and it runs, I do not understand why they want to keep the public ignorant of the uses that their stuff might have.

I was also told I could not self energize the system. Ha!

When I have the money for coils, I will use them to finish my project and post that video.

Then everyone will see how a low I.Q. can do something a Ph.D cannot.
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Old 07-24-2016, 02:38 AM
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I for one am glad to see you back.

I look at this forum much like people who view fireworks. There are going to be all kinds of people watching, from the complete idiot, to those stoned, or otherwise hindered, clear on up to those who are setting off the fireworks and even those who have designed and built them. Likely there are going to be those who think they have seen better elsewhere and are not the slightest bit reticent to tell everyone.

If you happen to be sitting next to someone who is spraying cold water, and / or flinging poo, then reposition yourself to take care of you, but don't throw in the towel all together. There are some awe inspiring displays here of true works of art (some of your information included).

Okay, now that I have that off of my chest, just say what is on your mind, and don't worry what other posters say. Many will be appreciative but not say anything, while there are a few who it might be classified a miracle if they ever shut up

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Old 07-24-2016, 03:12 AM
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As most of you know if you have been around a while I had given up on this forum for several reasons. Then I was asked to come back so I have been back a few months and nothing has changed all that much. One of the reasons I left was because of the attitude of some of the members of this forum. There are some still around that don't want to be told they might be wrong about what they think they understand.

I was blessed with the opportunity to actually get to work in a field I really enjoyed. That was the area of electronic troubleshooting. I was an industrial maintenance electrician for over 30 years. I loved that job and its challenges.

What really bothers me about this forum is there are those that insist on posting things that I know are just plain wrong. Now I don't care too much if the poster insists on believing whatever but what bothers me is there are those that really do want to learn. So how can they know what to believe when they see so much foolishness posted. I have tried in the past to explain why what was posted was wrong and sometimes it was accepted and understood in the way I had hoped it would be. But many times I have been accused of being a naysayer and sometimes much worse for trying to help. Anyone that has taken the time to read some of my posts would know immediately that I do believe OU may be possible. I have even seen with my own eyes a couple of things I thought might be genuine events of OU.

So what is a person who has a strong background in electronics supposed to do when they see foolishness posted? Do you just ignore it and hope it doesn't lead too many people astray? Or do you try to help by pointing out the mistakes made by the poster or video or whatever is being presented? How can you help without coming across as a know-it-all as I was just called in another thread on this forum? I do know there are several members of this forum that are sincerely trying to learn and are open to help. But there are also some here that will put down anyone that tries to correct mistaken ideas. So what is the answer?

Please keep your comments civil with no name calling.

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Here's a quote from this big bully trash hound:

"If you insist on attacking me after I only tried to help you then I WILL ask that you be banned from this site".

He went over to the OU site and got me banned with over 2700 comments compared to his 40. He started snitching off to Stefan right off the bat acting too important. Who asked the rat to come back over here? I want him to refrain from commenting on my threads because he's a real trouble maker!
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Old 07-24-2016, 04:59 AM
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Allen,

You and I had no history before I posted (post #3 on that thread) a short, concise and accurate reference tutorial on inductance which clearly explained what has you confused. I did so politely and with respect. I first pointed out that the thread topic was poorly worded and you needed to better define your statements and questions in regards to voltage or current or power. You then request (just about require) me to analyze several other people's experiments. Your questions were still poorly worded and I made it clear that I had no interest in the subject or the people conducting those exercises some of which were awful. So I finally politely told you I wouldn't comment further and I could tell that you would benefit from gaining additional knowledge and education in the area of basic electricity and circuits.

I was polite and only trying to help you with information. For that effort you insult me and tell me I'm ignorant. You're rude and ungrateful.

It's difficult for me to understand how you can continue to insist your interpretation is valid when it is stated so clearly in the graphs, schematics and math which I included in post #3. But then I realized that besides not having learned basic electricity, you probably can't understand those graphs and equations. Because if you can comprehend the math and studied those proven textbook equations, you would realize that an instantaneous current reversal in an inductor requires infinite voltage.

Personally I don't think you have any idea what I'm talking about because I don't think that you know the difference between current and voltage. I was about to say that I don't care, but actually it does bother me that you continue to post incorrect and erroneous interpretations of other people's work. I'll just ignore it.

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Old 07-24-2016, 10:38 AM
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Just to clear things up a bit. I did NOT get Allen banned from OU.com. In the first place he is not actually banned. He is on moderated status. That means what he submits has to be approved by a moderator before it gets posted. And I did not have anything to do with that. Yes I did post what he copied but before I went that far Allen sent some PMs to some of the senior members of that forum and using very strong profanity basically cussed them out because they didn't agree with his misguided notion that current reverses when voltage is removed from a coil. They in turn asked Stefan to ban Allen, but Stefan chose to put him on moderated status. I know all this because they sent copies of Allen's PMs to me and also told me the outcome because of those PMs. There is a thread on this forum that was posted earlier that also explains all this. But unfortunately Allen has never let truth get in the way of his fantasies.

The reason I was going to ask that Allen be banned was because he started using profanity to cuss out the posters in a thread I started to try and help Allen. Several members there spent a couple of days posting scope shots and videos trying to help Allen understand what happens when power is removed from a coil. The response they got for their efforts was to get cussed out by Allen because he didn't want his fantasy destroyed! I told him to knock it off and he then proceeded to cuss me out. After all that I then posted what he has copied and posted here.

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Old 07-24-2016, 11:45 AM
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We must admit when our theory's are wrong or we will never learn or move on.
I developed a theory about a year ago and could not be convinced it was wrong until I did my own testing, if the circuit does not prove your theory then your theory is wrong, so its best to develope a theory then test it before you get defensive and spout off.
There's nothing wrong with sharing your idea's but test them before you state them as fact, and be humble when addressing folks with more experience an knowledge than yourself or be prepared to eat crow.
I myself have learned to appreciate folks like Carroll that have been around the block and are here to offer help.
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Old 07-24-2016, 12:08 PM
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Since this thread is about projects on this forum I take we can discuss anything here.
Something I noticed about the latest project that is promising, Graham Gunderson's project, if Im understanding correctly he's running a constant low voltage DC current through the primary, havent we seen this before with SM and the TPU.
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Old 07-24-2016, 01:13 PM
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Bemf and current reversel
Bemf is caused when a coils magnetic field collapses and the eddy currents are absorbed by the coil, eddy currents run counter to the applied current therefor you get a back spike that is very brief, but if you could tap the eddy currents without letting the field collapse then you could get current and OU because you would be drawing from the ambient.
Now as to the direction of that current.....not sure, test, test, test.
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From folks that were there its said he is using an H bridge but is it on the primary or on the secondary's.
Is he running a low voltage dc current through the primary to keep the field afloat and pulsing the secondary's to tap the fields eddy currents.
Just thinking out loud.
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Old 07-24-2016, 04:42 PM
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Inventors and Testers.

@bistander and citfta,

You two "Hardboiled Eggheads" are merely dried out extra testers who never came up with one original idea between the two of you. Do you really think I had to wait for you two pedants to come along to get that BEMF current direction lesson for the first time? I'm an inventor. I just invented a "Photonic Reactor" on my BEMF current reversal thread with help from Itseung888 and Dave45.

I use the "Socratic Method" to conduct analysis, assuming nothing at all at the outset. You two boring cardboard cutout figures don't know how to think creatively "Outside the Box"! Stay off my back and stop causing trouble.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:13 PM
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Old 07-25-2016, 11:03 AM
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I did some experiments where i placed a coil in water and froze the water with the coil energized, the eddy currents were visible but at the time i didnt know what they were. I froze one that was air core and one that was iron core, the air core had visible eddy currents in the ice but the iron core coil showed no eddy currents outside the coil, this puzzled me untill i realized the iron core was pulling the eddy currents tight against the core.

I wonder if the power we send through the coil is creating the magnetic field does it also feul the eddy currents or does the ambient fuel the eddy currents, when the magnetic field collapses the polarity of the coil changes i believe this is an indication that the ambient is fueling the eddy currents.
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Old 07-25-2016, 11:05 AM
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As most of you know if you have been around a while I had given up on this forum for several reasons. Then I was asked to come back so I have been back a few months and nothing has changed all that much. One of the reasons I left was because of the attitude of some of the members of this forum. There are some still around that don't want to be told they might be wrong about what they think they understand.

I was blessed with the opportunity to actually get to work in a field I really enjoyed. That was the area of electronic troubleshooting. I was an industrial maintenance electrician for over 30 years. I loved that job and its challenges.

What really bothers me about this forum is there are those that insist on posting things that I know are just plain wrong. Now I don't care too much if the poster insists on believing whatever but what bothers me is there are those that really do want to learn. So how can they know what to believe when they see so much foolishness posted. I have tried in the past to explain why what was posted was wrong and sometimes it was accepted and understood in the way I had hoped it would be. But many times I have been accused of being a naysayer and sometimes much worse for trying to help. Anyone that has taken the time to read some of my posts would know immediately that I do believe OU may be possible. I have even seen with my own eyes a couple of things I thought might be genuine events of OU.

So what is a person who has a strong background in electronics supposed to do when they see foolishness posted? Do you just ignore it and hope it doesn't lead too many people astray? Or do you try to help by pointing out the mistakes made by the poster or video or whatever is being presented? How can you help without coming across as a know-it-all as I was just called in another thread on this forum? I do know there are several members of this forum that are sincerely trying to learn and are open to help. But there are also some here that will put down anyone that tries to correct mistaken ideas. So what is the answer?

Please keep your comments civil with no name calling.

Respectfully,
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You just warn them about the clown they are dealing with and hope for the best. Most people who do nothing get everything wrong anyway.

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Thanks for all the replies and I do appreciate those that have shown support for my efforts to help. It appears only one poster has a problem with someone trying to help so I will continue to help and ignore the attacks and name calling from those that are trying to hide the truth.

Dave45, feel free to post in this thread about any project either on this forum or not. Just remember this thread covers a lot of topics and your project will get buried in the discussion fairly quickly sometimes. If you want to have an extended discussion about a particular project it is probably better to just start a new thread for that project.

Also Dave45 here is a link to a discussion about coil collapse or inductive kickback. You may find some of this discussion helpful in learning about inductive kickback.

Inductive Kickback

I don't recall anyone connecting the idea of eddy currents being the source of the magnetic field generated by a coil. I will have to think about that idea some more before I can give an opinion on that. If I didn't understand correctly what you meant by that please correct me.

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When i froze the coils in water you could see the eddy currents they are there along with the magnetic field.
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Im using a tablet and cant post pics for some reason.
I will keep trying

Finally this coil was powered using 12v ac, the eddy currents are clearly visible.
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This coil was powered with 12v dc
Notice the straight lines around the edges it formed a hexagon, like in a honeycomb.
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Thanks Chet for the kind words. I does mean a lot to me that some people appreciate my efforts to help.

Dave, I remember when I first saw those. I thought that was a pretty neat idea to freeze water while a coil was energized. The difference between AC and DC is interesting. Thanks for posting those.

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I froze one that i didnt document, wished i had. I lined the container with screen wire completely with an e core choke inside, essentially a faraday cage filled the container and froze it without power to the coil, the container expanded an busted and the faraday cage had a small tear in it, I then powered up the coil and put the container back in the freezer.
After about an hour I checked the container and from the tear to the choke there was what looked as best I can describe it a lightning bolt.

This is another reason I think the ambient or aether or whatever you want to call it is fueling the eddy currents.
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Here is the same experiments shown before, but as a Function of Time...:
Ufo,

So the above statement infers that the experiments shown before were not a function of time, therefore one would assume they were a function of space or position (referring to post #691). ...

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Isn't it logical to assume if someone says it was the same as before except in this way, that it wasn't that way before in that particular aspect?

So he graphs an experiment and doesn't label the abscissa. Then does another experiment and says this is like the previous one BUT as a function of time. That implies the first experiment was NOT a function of time, doesn't it?

It is difficult to figure out the logic, or lack of, that he uses.

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Isn't it logical to assume if someone says it was the same as before except in this way, that it wasn't that way before in that particular aspect?

So he graphs an experiment and doesn't label the abscissa. Then does another experiment and says this is like the previous one BUT as a function of time. That implies the first experiment was NOT a function of time, doesn't it?

It is difficult to figure out the logic, or lack of, that he uses.

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Bistander,

Why do you come here to cry like a Baby?

I responded to you there (on my Thread) it was a DARN missed DETAIL on those small graphs!!

Did not know you were so picky when looking at an obvious and typical VXTime Sinewave Graph!!

Anyways, no biggie, it took me minutes to repair such a HUGE DEAL.

LOOK:







Now, do I have to explain to you also, that the green arrows mean movement direction...or displacement of the magnetic field N-S?

Is it ok in green color?

Or should I paint also a trailing dotted line to reflect movement?

So you came here, to the Energetic Forum Sensationalist Gossip & Entertainment Thread...to "complaint" to your "double" Cifta?


Here is my opinion:




Have a good one


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The real huge difference between You Two (You, Bistander and Cifta) is that "tomorrow" I can build and upload a beautiful You Tube Video, in 3D Animated Graphs in Billions of colors...where there is absolutely NO ROOM for ANY misunderstandings...
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Bistander,

Why do you come here to cry like a Baby?

I responded to you there (on my Thread) it was a DARN missed DETAIL on those small graphs!!

Did not know you were so picky when looking at an obvious and typical VXTime Sinewave Graph!!

Anyways, no biggie, it took me minutes to repair such a HUGE DEAL.

LOOK:







Now, do I have to explain to you also, that the green arrows mean movement direction...or displacement of the magnetic field N-S?

Is it ok in green color?

Or should I paint also a trailing dotted line to reflect movement?

So you came here, to the Energetic Forum Sensationalist Gossip & Entertainment Thread...to "complaint" to your "double" Cifta?


Here is my opinion:




Have a good one


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The real huge difference between You Two (You, Bistander and Cifta) is that "tomorrow" I can build and upload a beautiful You Tube Video, in 3D Animated Graphs in Billions of colors...where there is absolutely NO ROOM for ANY misunderstandings...
Hi there Ufo,

I came here to get another opinion about that statement of yours. It appeared that you didn't want me posting more about it on that thread even threatening to tell Aaron. But I'm glad you showed up over here and posted those graphics. I've taken another look at them. You're all worried about arrowhead color and bragging about your fine artwork when you should be spending more time assuring the content is correct. In my opinion there are serious issues. But, as I have said, I don't want to get into it with you.

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While moving in the magnet produces 1/4 sinewave, while moving out 3/4 sine is produced.
The enlightening miracles of magnets....

Why don't you stop blah-blah-ing in that endless thread and come to the point?
Show us your OU-machine, or tell us how it is done.
Short and simple.
Stop wasting everybodies time and stop dumbing down others.


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Who is dumbing out WHO?

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While moving in the magnet produces 1/4 sinewave, while moving out 3/4 sine is produced.
The enlightening miracles of magnets....
Above Statement is COMPLETELY WRONG.

If the experiment is done properly, meaning using EXACTLY the same Speed when going In as when going Out, then the result is IDENTICAL in Magnitude between Positive and Negative Peaks.

There are several experiments that have been done with precision and accurate equipment like Balanced Pendulums, Balanced non magnetic springs, reciprocating mechanisms that do it exactly at same rate of speed that prove both action-reactions are identical.

You are NOT Enlightening absolutely NADA.

On the contrary You are CONFUSING people who read your above post and so sure "wrong statement"

Is that the same "accurate" approach you are using to display your Thread info?.

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Why don't you stop blah-blah-ing in that endless thread and come to the point?
Show us your OU-machine, or tell us how it is done.
Short and simple.
Stop wasting everybodies time and stop dumbing down others.


Ernst.
I will ask you EXACTLY the same thing as you did above...

Plus...

How many more ..."ere many generations pass..." til we all see your final OU Machine...or your "Wheelwork Machine from Nature"?

Should we all wait for more "Cosmic Rays"?

Or maybe wait a bit more so Earth becomes Hotter?...maybe then we could convert that heat into electricity?

Maybe to cool us all off... Uh?

I am waiting for that "Final Disclosure"...


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Hi there Ufo,

In my opinion there are serious issues. But, as I have said, I don't want to get into it with you.

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bi
Bistander,

Serious issues?...really?

Well, here you are not just "getting into it with me" but with all the rest attending this Thread...

I mean, isn't that the reason why you came here?

So, please do.

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While moving in the magnet produces 1/4 sinewave, while moving out 3/4 sine is produced.
The enlightening miracles of magnets....

Why don't you stop blah-blah-ing in that endless thread and come to the point?
Show us your OU-machine, or tell us how it is done.
Short and simple.
Stop wasting everybodies time and stop dumbing down others.


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If you ignore it then it will lose interest and go away, it's not a self-acting machine. It thrives on an external source of attention.


Guess you're right.


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