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Old 07-23-2012, 10:14 PM
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Hi Boguslaw,

Yes I know you can get some energy from an antenna and a good ground connection which is also what dR-Green has said. It just didn't seem to be a practical way of getting enough energy to do anything useful. As to the idea of patents being tampered with after the inventor has died I think that is a strong possibility. Thank you and Bizzy and dR-Green for your thoughts on this. So now I will ask this again in a slightly different way. If anyone has gotten any real USABLE power from this idea please share with us how you did it.

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The following is a quote from Ufo about how his motors work:

"In the Field of ROBOTICS, where I originally developed certain types of Servo Motors, which are not just motors that rotate straight forward or reverse only, and, at different speeds, but a SERVO is a Motor that "Obeys" Certain Specific Commands -ordered by its SERVER-, to move to EXACT Positioning in ALL 3D Space Coordinates, called DOF (Degrees of Freedom), then it would be much easier to understand the Flow of My Machines disclosed above..."

I worked on industrial machine tools for about 30 years. A lot of these machines were computer controlled which means they had servo motors on them. So I do know a little about servos motors. I had to fix them when they didn't work. A motor has ONE axis. It can rotate clockwise or counterclockwise. It can go slow or it can go fast. It can move in little steps or spin like a top. But it still only has ONE axis. We can put a bunch of them to together and make a multi-axis machine. I have worked on machines that had as many as 5 axises that could all be moving at the same time for machining very complex curves. But the motors still only had ONE axis. Most of the machines I worked on had an accuracy of .0001 inch. that is one ten thousandths of an inch. Some of them had an accuracy even closer than that. I had to test the machines to verify that accuracy and had to repair them if they lost that level of accuracy. I have also worked on some industrial robots. They have the same kind of motors.

Ufo has some very interesting design ideas about motors and he has a lot of people trying to build them. I don't understand why he insists on coming back time and time again making statements like the one above that only serve to confuse people. I think he probably meant that the robot can have 3D movement but the way he wrote it makes it seem like the motors somehow had 3D movement. And what in the world does this have to do with how his motors are supposed to work?

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3DOF motors... HA HA

You got that one right, citfta. Ignore, ignore. In order to have some credibility with me, there needs to be some sort of acceptance of an energy source. It may be explicit or implicit. Refering to my earlier comments, the important thing to me is to build a machine in the real world that does some useful work. It could rotate a shaft, light an LED, or charge a battery. It could charge a capacitor, compress a spring or heat water. It should be something measurable. By unique construction, one should be able to tap available energy. For example, at room temperature, every atom and molecule is vibrating with energy that we measure as temperature. If we could direct some of that energy into another form it would become a source of free energy. In distilled water, a certain portion exists as H+ and OH-. What would happen if a container of water were placed in an electrostatic field. Could you measure a current from one end of the container to the other? I'm just saying there are plenty of ideas to test out and why not share some REAL construction plans with details and numbers and get some real results out in the open?
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you are right "build a machine in the real world that does some useful work" it must also be able to be replicated in addition to being able to do real work.
I feel those are the two most important criteria we ar elooking for
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I just thought he meant if he could illustrate how they work by using a servo, which can rotate to specific degrees etc it would be easier to explain to people how they worked. Maybe I'm over simplifying it. I think the language barrier has exacerbated things on his thread somewhat.

I'm also still waiting for someone to prove a more acurate output measurements of these motors, but no one seems to be doing that at the moment.
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I just thought he meant if he could illustrate how they work by using a servo, which can rotate to specific degrees etc it would be easier to explain to people how they worked. Maybe I'm over simplifying it. I think the language barrier has exacerbated things on his thread somewhat.

I'm also still waiting for someone to prove a more acurate output measurements of these motors, but no one seems to be doing that at the moment.
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I think if the person can accurately show speed using a tachometer as well as amp meter and volt meter that should be enough to verify the output of the motor.
Although speed is the most importnat thing a motor does the volts and amps are whatr interests us the most.
Let me know what you think.
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I think if the person can accurately show speed using a tachometer as well as amp meter and volt meter that should be enough to verify the output of the motor.
Although speed is the most importnat thing a motor does the volts and amps are whatr interests us the most.
Let me know what you think.
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I'm no expert in this field by any means I'm just reserving my opinion until I see a self running machine with usable power. Ufo has already claimed that amps are no indication of true output of these motors though, and given an explanation as to why. Others have stated the same and said it should be measured by the energy created by rotational force. Though like I said I've not heard of anyone attempting or showing such a thing. I'm not reading anything into that either way just yet, only that there simply hasn't been enough time to say one way or another.
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Thanks for joining the thread. I agree that meters don't always tell the truth. I have seen that when working on the Tesla Switch. The meters have shown it should have been draining the batteries quickly yet they actually were going down very slowly. So I will have to agree with Ufo on that point. I am still waiting just like you for some real evidence these motors are actually doing what he says. It seems like it would be pretty simple to connect them to a load and measure how long a battery lasts compared to how long an unmodified motor lasts with the same load and same battery. So far as I know no one has done that yet. I know we did that a lot when trying different ideas for the Tesla Switch. And that easily showed us when we were making improvements and when we were taking a step backwards. I wish I had time to build one and try it out but right now my time is pretty short. I just have a problem with his explanations because he likes to use such oddball descriptions for everything.

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Hi Carroll and all, I would just like to mention one thing that can trick a lot of
people into thinking they have a self charger or self runner with a battery in it.

When a charged and rested battery first powers a load the voltage initially drops
but after some time the battery voltage begins to rise as the chemical action or
the ability of the battery to give power catches up to the drain and exceeds it.
This causes the battery voltage to initially drop then rise somewhat before it
eventually drops continuously. Which can look like the battery is charging
while being used or that there is maybe some "free" energy being captured or
something. Many have been caught out.

Now if we combine this effect with a small current draw and recovery to the
battery all together the effect can be deceiving as well as spell disaster for
the battery. The chemical action is slow to build up and while it is giving up
charge it cannot take in charge. This may not show any significant adverse
effects at first but it will be taking it's toll. Flyback diodes directed back to
the supply rail can do this to a battery because the return energy is out of
phase with the drawn current in many cases, with a power supply there is no
issue.

Also another thing is when the drain on the battery is very small sometimes it
can appear as though there is no apparent drain on the battery after a long
period of time because as the battery is being drained of charge but the
voltage is maintained by the recovery. Another situation where the battery
suffers badly in my opinion but it can look like a self runner.

Any battery that is both charged and drained in the same relative period is
being subjected to basically an alternating current, batteries do not like that.

All in all I encourage people to do a simple test of loading charged and rested
battery with a reasonable load then watch the voltage drop then rise then
drop again. And I mean a battery in good condition that has been charged
properly, with sufficient current, to the correct voltage and for long enough
to properly charge the battery. I have watched it and I know it is a fact.

Basically it means that sitting watching a battery voltage rise while powering
a small load means little except the battery is working as designed. A
batteries voltage is not a reliable way to determine much.

This applies to many devices/projects. But I rarely see it mentioned.

Don't be tricked by your battery.

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Hi again Farmhand,

I agree completely with everything you said about batteries. I have seen that same thing many times. We learned some strange things about batteries though when we were working on the 3 battery generating system. If you only use them until the voltage starts to drop the second time and you have the strange setup that Dave came up with where the load on the motor between batteries and the load on the "dead" battery were matched then they seem to come back time after time. It seemed like we could actually run the load for a total time of much longer than we could it we had just run the load for a few times and ran it longer each time. I really want to get back to playing with that setup again because it sure seemed to be doing some strange things.

Now on the idea of charging and discharging a battery at the same time I have some ideas about that I am not sure about. I know from personal experiments that trying to use a battery and charging it with high voltage low current pulses like from the SSG just doesn't work. The battery seems to just lose charge that way. However when Matt (Matthew Jones) and I and some others tried switching the charge and discharge times on the Tesla Switch so that we charged for several seconds and then switched sides we got much longer run times from the batteries. So it seems that the batteries may take charge and discharge if some time is allowed for the battery to react.

On another line of thought Bizzy is using a battery and large capacitor in parallel in his Bedini/Watson machine and he is charging them with current pulses from another large cap. His machine ran for 9 days and the battery held its charge the whole time. So maybe the high current pulses let the battery be used and charged at the same time or maybe the cap is handling most of the surge current and the battery is just floating.

These are just some of my ideas and thoughts. Flooded cell lead acid batteries are certainly interesting beasts that is for sure.

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Hi Carroll, Yes your absolutely correct, I maintain anything is possible, I just
have tricked myself a few times so I like to point out things that tricked me
before and may trick me again too. With a single battery and recovery
system I think if the battery has a sufficient "buffer" it may help.

With respect to the Aerial collector systems I think they do work, and like
with radio the ground connection/Earth staking is probably the most important thing
along with the proper connecting wire insulation and proper components. I
think a Tesla radiant energy collector with the plate might be kinda different
to an actual radio antenna, it would seem to me that it can work by the
voltage difference over height and by "receiving" "waves" but I think it is also
for receiving cosmic radiations or charged particles.

I don't see many add a coil or tuning the Tesla Radiant Energy Receivers to a "frequency",
some have. The idea of adding an antenna to a powered HF circuit doesn't
make much sense unless the antenna is designed not to radiate, "sphere" or
"toroid" or "mushroom dome".

I have a fair length of electric fence, I am going to turn it off and try to
scope it, but I'm concerned I might zap the scope, I guess I could turn off the
fence (most important) then ground the fence wires while connecting the
scope then separate them scoped, I hope that works, I'm worried about rapid
static build up it's windy here. That should show me something. I'll have to
check the fence first for shorts (fallen branches green weeds), the fence also
has ground wires between the live ones for better effect on the stock in dry
weather. Would that be a problem or no effect do you think ? I have no way
to measure the entire fence length. I estimate just over 1 klm x 4 strands at
different heights. Sounds like fun. I'll report back what happens after. Hopefully with a scope shot.

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@cifta and Farmhand

Thanks for your input, both of you, very interesting points. Another misleader is frequency and RMS, DMM's. I have found for example, I can take an air core SSG, and if I instead of having a battery on the charge side; put a bank of about 100 LEDs - and show a greater output than input. This effect was compared on analog meters, typical DMM's and also True RMS Fluke DMM's. I was, of course, at first rather excited. Upon researching it more I found some interesting articles about why meters lie, at higher frequencies with non-sine and non-linear waveforms. An interesting counter experiment was done by a chap named Tinman, where he shows measurements smoothed with caps first to minimize errors. In any event, the actual measurement of input vs. output (if I am correct) is no easy task when you have unconventional wave forms.

I wonder, how much this particular effect, has lead people astray, even some rather "recognized" experimenters, out there.

At the end of the day, very few of us own a 4 channel scope capable of multiplying inputs (1 channel for each: volts / amp draw on both input and output) such that the information can be sent via data acquisition, and therefore examined as energy consumed versus energy produced, over time.
Which seems to be one of the few accurate methods.

If we cannot trust our meters with these circuits, and cannot afford extensive equipment... where then do we turn?

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The following is a quote from Ufo about how his motors work:

"In the Field of ROBOTICS, where I originally developed certain types of Servo Motors, which are not just motors that rotate straight forward or reverse only, and, at different speeds, but a SERVO is a Motor that "Obeys" Certain Specific Commands -ordered by its SERVER-, to move to EXACT Positioning in ALL 3D Space Coordinates, called DOF (Degrees of Freedom), then it would be much easier to understand the Flow of My Machines disclosed above..."

I worked on industrial machine tools for about 30 years. A lot of these machines were computer controlled which means they had servo motors on them. So I do know a little about servos motors. I had to fix them when they didn't work. A motor has ONE axis. It can rotate clockwise or counterclockwise. It can go slow or it can go fast. It can move in little steps or spin like a top. But it still only has ONE axis. We can put a bunch of them to together and make a multi-axis machine. I have worked on machines that had as many as 5 axises that could all be moving at the same time for machining very complex curves. But the motors still only had ONE axis. Most of the machines I worked on had an accuracy of .0001 inch. that is one ten thousandths of an inch. Some of them had an accuracy even closer than that. I had to test the machines to verify that accuracy and had to repair them if they lost that level of accuracy. I have also worked on some industrial robots. They have the same kind of motors.

Ufo has some very interesting design ideas about motors and he has a lot of people trying to build them. I don't understand why he insists on coming back time and time again making statements like the one above that only serve to confuse people. I think he probably meant that the robot can have 3D movement but the way he wrote it makes it seem like the motors somehow had 3D movement. And what in the world does this have to do with how his motors are supposed to work?

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hello Dear Carroll,
And Hello to all,

Great thread, great idea!!!

First, I promise I will "behave" here...
But I been reading this interesting thread, and My name (Well... a UFO is something very common nowadays ...people are seeing them almost everywhere)

I feel I should be the one to respond to your doubts, related to my statement above in Blue...

The Machines I am displaying in My Thread, I was referring to their "Virtual Axis of Rotation", and that relate to their Center Flow Axis of either electrical currents or magnetic flux, as also translations and rotations of such ... I have used the Robotics DOF term , just to set it as an example, a comparison to be understood as the 3D Space Math behind them both are similar...

Now, about Robotics DOF, relates to "3D Space Joints" that rotates in different axis, as they also are mounted on other arms and brackets, that rotates on other Axis...but it does not relates to just one servo motor...sometimes dozens - like you have said- to configure just an Arm...to obtain multiple DOF's..
I do have developed Servo Motors...as I also have Patents granted on such, as also on Motors and Generators of different Architectures than we all know so far...But they are not disclosed here, no need to, they are just "different structures"...

But let me tell you something else...and believe me, I understand and respect your background in Motors and Electrodynamics ...but there are specific Servo Motors...in just One Unit, One Assembly...that could rotate in many different Degrees Of Freedom Angles...there are several patents in USPTO Washington DC related to that kind of Motors, I have conducted many deep searches in that area...they have very clever sliding mechanisms...that moves through specific Spheres Shape Spatial Frames, with channels and guides...just like a Round Rail Road track...they could deviate paths...and surround a whole spherical area of operation...They're mostly used in Aerospace applications, and repair equipment for Satellites etc...while others never made it to the production lines...


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[QUOTE=kcarring;203390At the end of the day, very few of us own a 4 channel scope capable of multiplying inputs (1 channel for each: volts / amp draw on both input and output) such that the information can be sent via data acquisition, and therefore examined as energy consumed versus energy produced, over time.
Which seems to be one of the few accurate methods.

If we cannot trust our meters with these circuits, and cannot afford extensive equipment... where then do we turn?

Cheers all.[/QUOTE]

Hi kcarring
I agree that most of us tinkerers don't have some of teh sophisticated equipment as do some of those out there. And I am not saying that in an envious way. It is just a fact of economics. Because we don't have many of the better tools we simply have to make due with what we have. If we have repeat experiments sevral times to study an reaction then we do it. I have had to do that many times when i realized my meter was placed wrong or I measured it incorrectly. We as amatures simply need to work with what we have and trust we will find what we are looking for or show us the way we are not supposed to go.
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I scoped the fence, There is many different waves on waves, like Russian dolls,
they just kept coming, the amplitude is small, I didn't have time to clear all the
grass and weeds from contacting the wires. Picture attached. Of course the
wire is not a tuned length. I see similar wave forms just by scoping a ground
connection at the house but it's 50 Hz there, I see all different frequencies at
the fence up to 20 kHz or so. one pic attached.
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Hi kcarring,

Yes I agree with you about the meters. Like most everything else in electronics and many other fields understanding the limitations of your equipment goes a long way towards helping you understand your results. I am old enough to remember when digital meters came out. Of course they were an immediate hit with troubleshooters because now we could get much more accurate measurements. Or at least we thought we could. A lot of us soon discovered that they were great for stable conditions but not helpful at all for changing conditions. They were pretty useless for tuning amplifiers or RF circuits because they didn't react fast enough and it was hard to tell if the numbers were going up or down without a lot of concentration.

As you have said they also have a problem with non-standard wave-shapes. I have found the best meters for the kind of experimenting most of us are doing is the plain old simple panel analogue meter. No electronics, just a meter calibrated to measure the voltage or current we are interested in. They are easy to use when trying to follow a changing signal and they seem to do a better job of averaging out the pulses and odd shaped waveforms of some of the circuits we deal with.

I have several of both kinds of meters and use both of them a lot. The digital meters are really good for measuring small voltages like the bias on the base of a transistor and watching the small changes in a battery as it is slowly going down or up. They each have their place and we just have to learn to use them properly.

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Hi Ufo,

Your info about these special motors is very interesting. Do you happen to have any references or patent numbers so I could look some of them up? I am always trying to learn something new.

But let me tell you something else...and believe me, I understand and respect your background in Motors and Electrodynamics ...but there are specific Servo Motors...in just One Unit, One Assembly...that could rotate in many different Degrees Of Freedom Angles...there are several patents in USPTO Washington DC related to that kind of Motors, I have conducted many deep searches in that area...they have very clever sliding mechanisms...that moves through specific Spheres Shape Spatial Frames, with channels and guides...just like a Round Rail Road track...they could deviate paths...and surround a whole spherical area of operation...They're mostly used in Aerospace applications, and repair equipment for Satellites etc...while others never made it to the production lines...


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Hi Farmhand,

That is an interesting scope shot. I have thought about doing that a few times but never got around to it. It looks like you are picking up all kinds of signals as well as some noise. Is it fairly quiet there this time of year as far electrical storms go? I would have expected to see more noise than signals on an untuned length of wire. However your scope shot looks more like radio signals and less like noise. The ground wires between the hot wires may be raising the capacitance of the fence by a small amount. I wouldn't think they are close enough to make a lot of difference. On the shot you posted it looks like you have one dominant signal at 160 Hz. Is that one always there or does it come and go like the other ones? Do you have any idea where it is coming from?

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Patent picture not from patent.

Hi Carroll and all, Recently there was a disagreement, the section of the patent
drawing shown in this post.http://www.energeticforum.com/202137-post364.html
is from patent 390 721 but the claims he quotes in this post
http://www.energeticforum.com/202193-post396.html
and relates to his devices are from patent 390 414 which of course doesn't contain the drawing he posted.

309721 patent
Patent US390721 - BEST AVAILABLE COP - Google Patents

390414 patent
Patent US390414 - BEST AVAILABLE COP - Google Patents

This is misleading, the drawing from the first post is from a different patent to
the claims he quotes. I didn't pick up on it at first, but he did not mention it, I
linked the 390 721 patent which the drawing he posted was from. At the point
he replied I couldn't be bothered to argue because I could sense he was
getting upset.

My point still remains the drawing he posted is not in the patent he used to
justify his claim of his being like the drawing, that drawing is from the
alternating current generator patent
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A tad misleading.

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I have gotten so tired of all the silly talk about witches and assymetrical this and that I have just about quit looking at that thread. So far I have not seen any evidence of proof to back up the claims. I asked for some references to these motors that somehow have more than one axis and as expected no references have been given. There are a lot of claims with nothing to back them up. I would really like to be wrong and see a motor that does what he is claiming but I don't think it is going to be from him.

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Hi Stealth,

Thanks for the link. That is an interesting motor but I don't think that is what Ufo was talking about. This motor has two rotors but they are both turning about the same axis. If I understood right what Ufo was describing had some way for the motor to move in all 3 dimensions. Or in other words in had 3 axises of movement. I still can't visualize that in my mind unless it is something like the gimbal mounting for a gyroscope.

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United States Patent: 4739241

Abstract

A spherical motor particularly adapted for robotic control. The motor comprises a stator housing defining a semispherical socket having an opening of generally polar cap form with a spherical rotor rotatably received in the socket for rotation therein about three axes intersecting at the center of the rotor with one of the axes projecting through the opening and the other two axes being orthogonal thereto. A motion transmitter is carried by the rotor and aligned generally along one axis to project through the opening, and windings are carried by the stator housing in encompassing and in opposed relation to the rotor for rotating the rotor about the axis. A polyphase control selectively controls relative phase and energization of the windings to rotate the spherical rotor a substantially unlimited amount about one axis and in limited amounts about the other axes so as to maintain the motion transmitting member within the confines of the opening.

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Motor Structure Including Spherical Windings

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Quite unique motors

Hi Ufo,

Those are some pretty unique motors. Thanks for sharing.

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Hi Ufo,

Those are some pretty unique motors. Thanks for sharing.

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Hello,
I've been following your work quite closely,I think I see what your doing.
I'm not sure how this resembles your work though
I do have a question about spherical rotors though. In fig #3 in post #53, the picture shows sections of the sphere, Q: If there were 4 sections , 2 north ,2 south, the magnetic field strenght would be more concentrated at the axis or poles???
I built a sphere magnet rotor about 2 years ago ,but could never get anything out of the coils I wound, I was winding from top axis to bottom axis,way tooo much resistance..
Do you feel that using steel in the build is bad?
I think it is, because any time I held coils in my hand, some with steel some not ,the steel always created a drag=less work.
No??
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Hello,
I've been following your work quite closely,I think I see what your doing.
I'm not sure how this resembles your work though
I do have a question about spherical rotors though. In fig #3 in post #53, the picture shows sections of the sphere, Q: If there were 4 sections , 2 north ,2 south, the magnetic field strenght would be more concentrated at the axis or poles???
I built a sphere magnet rotor about 2 years ago ,but could never get anything out of the coils I wound, I was winding from top axis to bottom axis,way tooo much resistance..
Do you feel that using steel in the build is bad?
I think it is, because any time I held coils in my hand, some with steel some not ,the steel always created a drag=less work.
No??
shylo
Hello Shylo,

Oh that is great Shylo!
Now, this does not reflects my work at other thread Dear, I was trying to show Citfta that there are Motors out there, that do certain operations not necessarily related to just one Axis...but in the three known so far.

This came up from an above post,where my Statement was cited here by Citfta...and it was related to Quaternion Motors in my other Asymmetrical Machines Thread...

I have developed Servo Motors for Robotics app's...and I also mentioned that in that statement...

Now related to your question(s)...

The way you lay the Magnetic Field Pattern, according to your coils design...it will lead you to very interesting discoveries...It is not just about two north and two south poles...there is more to just that...

where are they "aiming" towards?(How are their projections set?)
what are their angles of intersections?
Which one is "the predominating field" in the whole set?

There are so many ways to set just two magnets...between them...and each way will show a different pattern...

Everything relates to just that specific development, my dear friend..."Magnetic Patterns"...They are above anything else as we all know now...just because everything we observe...depends upon them, as they come from them.


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The magnetic field is of equal strenght around the whole sphere. The poles are evenly spaced, and you end up with 8 poles(thats with 4 magnets)
The problem is, at the poles the field closes in on itself.
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A thread like this is like a safe haven in the wild-west forum outside of here. For that reason it is a good thing.

Yet I think we all joined this forum for the same reason: we want free and clean energy.
With that in mind we should allow others to boldly go where we would never go. No matter how ridiculous we think it is. No one of us knows all the laws of nature.

The problem that I have with this thread is that it is a mix of everything and there for it reduces the searchability (is that a good word?).
Suppose I would like to know about receiving energy from EM radiation. It would be great to be able to see in one thread who has tried which methods and with what results.
Or telluric currents, or longitudinal electricity, cosmic radiation, Schumann frequencies etc.
Or you would like to see your idea verified by others, or you need help on your project.
For those things it is great to have a forum like this, but if everything of value ends up in one thread there is no more overview. And that greatly reduces the value of this forum.

Isn't there a better solution than to start this thread?

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Hi Ernst,

Thanks for your comments. There are several threads on this forum for almost every subject you named plus many many more. For specific threads about those subjects you need to use the search function. Or if you can't find a thread about the subject you are interested in you can always start a thread for it. However some of those threads have made it very clear they do NOT want the thread cluttered up with discussions about whether the subject of the thread is realistic or not. So that is why I started this thread. It is for the technical discussion of any of those projects.

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