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- 5x More Current Out Than In - Validation Of Proof Of Concept -
![]() Earth ION Energy The photograph above was taken by one of our engineers to validate the technology. It was based on Radiant Energy Proof of Concept v2.5 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33118048/Ra...eiver-v2.5.pdf It contains mostly Bruce A. Perreault's work and some of his own, so it was not built exactly to specification. Both ammeters have 10uf caps fitted to them. The 2nd Edition Full Version contains the improved v2.6 Proof of Concept Schematic. We are currently discussing funding an independent laboratory test. We will keep you updated with our progress. We hope you can all be part of this project even if that only means you can make a small contribution. ![]() Please spread the word about EARTH ION ENERGY. For the price of a magazine together we could globally solve our energy needs. ![]() Last edited by soundiceuk : 09-12-2012 at 11:30 PM. Reason: Web Address |
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Hi soundiceuk,
I have always enjoyed your posts so please don't take this the wrong way. You are only showing the input and output current. Without the input and output voltage the current doesn't really tell us anything. A simple transformer will increase the current if we wind it for a lower output voltage. What are the input and output voltages? Are they the same as shown in the PDF? Respectfully, Carroll Last edited by citfta : 07-20-2012 at 01:37 AM. |
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- PRIVATE ENGINEER -
A quick description of the circuit - the coil is a "mystery coil". I'm using the secondary of the coil only and the other coil is left open. I wound my own primary on it to form the oscillator, so instead of a separate oscillator driving the tank. It was more consolidated serving the same purpose. The output of the secondary coil drives a 3 plate collection system also forming a tank circuit tuned by the air cap. The blue cap is 3300uf. The input battery is a 6 volt SLA and the output is the 3300uf cap driving 2 - 3.7 volt 30ma 10mm ultrabright LED's in series connected through the mA meter. I am "assuming" the input was at least 6 volts and showing 7-10ma on the meter seems pretty obvious that an input of around .06 watts is being used. The output I would also "assume" to be in the range of 5-7 volts based on the brightness of the bulbs and the meter is showing slightly over 30 mA. Simply a learning tool of my own pursuit and since I didn't have all the components laid out in the schematic I had to be a bit creative and work with what I had on hand. The circuit is quite simple as shown by Bruce, I spent maybe an hour putting the circuit together including the time winding the coil but also another 6 or so hours finessing, tinkering, tuning, observing and altering things to get that result. It is not something you can expect to toss together and twist the dial on the air cap and power the world - you have to understand what the circuit is doing. I believe that is all Bruce intended. If people simply build it and expect immediate success they will surely be disappointed and fail. Also, it is more akin to the 2.6 version than the 2.5 in it's output operation. I didn't take any other pictures of it and all the parts are now supporting 2 other test units. I tend to move from one build to another fairly quickly as I learn. |
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@ citfta & kcarring
I hope this answers your questions. @ ashtweth We need to validate that the technology is valid, safe and reliable. Further validation of Bruce's proof of concept circuits will help form the fundamental bedrock to build a globally public owned commercial device. We can help make this happen by contributing $5 to SonoMagnetics Trust to support the 2nd Edition research. https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/we...9e3b8d cbd5ee Regarding Bruce's patent: The patented Ion Valve will never get to market or even begin production because of power and greed. There are other alternatives to using the materials in the patent. Last edited by soundiceuk : 08-03-2012 at 01:01 AM. Reason: Link not working. |
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You heard it hear first folks!!!!
Bronze access has just been upgraded to a FREE 2nd Edition Silver access v0.12 eBook. Direct Electrical Power from The Utilization of Earth IONS - 2nd Edition v0.12 To get a downloadable PDF please contribute $3 to SonoMagnetics Trust via the PayPal link in the above post. To see how we have progressed the 1st Edition release on March 22nd 2012 Here is your FREE 1st Edition. https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9n2pjguw5...h%20IONS.pdf?m The Gold & Platinum Editions are not ready yet and will feature pictures and videos + independent lab testing. This is our chance to own this amazing technology and move forward as one. |
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Nothing but my sweaty socks that stink Joit!
It does use a 65' L shaped longwire antenna and an earth ground. The reason why the circuit it is very hard to grasp for 99.9% of people is because there is a gap in our learning about planetary frequencies. The 1st & 2nd Edition were made to try and fill the learning gap and give us a platform to educate and demonstrate the beauty of nature's wheelworks. What these circuits are doing is creating a draft for the ions to flow, like leaving two windows open in your house and also tuning and locking onto a planetery frequency that hardly anyone in the world knows exists. Bruce is not the only one trying to make positive moves with the technology. http://pesn.com/2012/07/09/9602130_K...s_ to_Market/ |
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@joit a doubt, can we get 4 mhz with a 555 timer? if so can you help with the values? hugs
@soundiceuk im also trying this, i was thinking of an LC resonant zero-voltage switching (ZVS) feedding the coil/cap LC but as it is mentioned that "this is acomplished by tunning the L1/C1 combination to slightly lower frequency that the oscilator frequency" im not seeing how can i make it that way, because the ZVS will allways oscilate at the frequency determined by the coil inductance and cap capacitance. i think you should provide clear and clean schematic of oscilator so this can be replicated easily and so validated! thanks Last edited by TanTric : 07-20-2012 at 08:10 PM. |
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@joit
Are you absolutely sure you do not want to cash support this copy of amateur radio circuits? I am sure that at least some of it was patented some time in the last century.
That does make it revolutionary doesn't it? The only part I don't understand about this project is that if it only costs 10 bucks to make why are we raising money to save the earth? After all the olympics we only get gold and silver but here we can get "bronze" |
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Hopefully we can close the gap in our learning soon and move forward as one with this technology.
- PRIVATE ENGINEER - I thought these might be interesting to any one working on the beat frequencies. This first one is when it locked. ![]() The yellow is the driven oscillator and the blue is not powered, simply a slave. Below shows the two oscillations when there is no beat lock, both latch on to the same phase. ![]() You can tune one oscillator or the other to shift the phases so when one is high the other is low. This is when you start shaking the environment. Below shows the beginning of a phase shift... ![]() The next one shows the first one expanded.... ![]() I find this interesting because when you look at the center of the beat you can see the phase shift but also that the slave oscillator is leading the primary oscillator peaks on ring down, they line up in the center then trail slightly during ring up. I may be interpreting this wrong but in my mind the ring down side is giving energy to the driver and on ring up the driver is giving energy to the slave. Also interesting is both the 1st picture and the last are from the same test oscillator, the difference between the beats is 79000 hz in the first and the second is 138000 hz the first is a harmonic of 7.9 the second 8. With no real way of making tiny precise movements I'd say I came pretty close, this seemed to be the only spot between the pair that I could get a beat lock. |
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The technology we have today is less advanced than back then. Surely it clear to most people here that what we are doing is resurrecting almost forgotten buried technology and incorporating modern components and processes to educate the masses before it gets buried again. This time maybe for good! Please can you explain your problem to me in clearer English, so I can address it. Thank you |
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realmikel, that was not what i did mean, that i do not support donation for some kind of circuits, when they are usefull. I do support them. And unfortunatly money still does not grow on a tree yet, and anyone still needs some of it from time to time. Its only when the word money is to often mentioned, or its linked to a PDF what suddenly shows a timer at the Side, what counts down, how much longer you can watch it, it got a strange smell. Against the fact that some claim money do not stink. But that second dl link is better.
But can be, soundiceuk, that it been other socks, what did smell. At last you answered my Question. Thank you for your further Explanations and Pictures, its actually interesting, how the frequencys are somehow connected here. I only need some more details about that 65' L shaped longwire antenna, i am no radio amateur, i am a radio noob. What wiresize do you use and what lenght? I think its importend, because it probatly acts like a sender or receiver. Probatly this helps? Tantric yes, a 555 timer does probatly not work here, i had in mind that it did go up to 500 mhz, but its only 300-500 khz. Even when i drove one lately to 2-4mhz, but can be that my osc did go crazy. At the other side a osscillation coil is not bad too, it once creates sine waves and probatly align itself better into the circuit more dynamically. Seems, we have to find out how big this 2nd coil need to be. Last edited by Joit : 07-20-2012 at 11:30 PM. |
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Earth Ion Energy Forum Link
Here is a link to their forum:
EARTH ION ENERGY - © COPYRIGHT 2012 - ALL RIGHT RESERVED IndianaBoys |
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Hi folks, Hi soundiceuk, thanks for sharing what you have.
Money will never ever until the end of time, save the earth, sharing freely will. Maybe this is one of the big learning curves in worlds like this. Most everyone here need not look very far for a perfect example of sharing freely, as most of us would not be here to even contemplate all that we do and that is your parents, they did not have to share freely the food, clothing and shelter that they did, yet their unconditional love is what enabled this. Some like to label this idealism, they may believe whatever they wish, though the real world results prove what really sustains everything. Only that unconditional love, which is the catalyst to sharing freely, will save anything. Good luck on your journeys and endeavors. peace love light tyson |
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problem? i feel sure I don't have one
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Clear English: What I have seen of your " buried,hidden,repressed " technology is openly published in amateur radio circles and is considered basic radio info. If you have presented anything different or new that would present any opportunity for free energy it has been obscurred by claims and requests for money to the point I am inclined to agree with joits elegant point of view expressed in one word or six letters. Is this clear enough? Now lets ask a return favor. Please describe the theory that shows improvement in your circuits based on facts that are not described as " clearly everyone". May I point out that you did not run a poll asking this question of "everyone" since you did not ask me. Broad declarations of what everyone knows is not a graphic explanation of electrical theory it is called salesmanship. Snake oil specialists seem to have more salesmanship than explanations and I am simply, clearly asking you, without all the salesmanship, what is your improvement in these circuits you are sharing with this forum. |
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we are not allowed to present facts, or contribute, or publish questions. Only staffers are allowed to post ! I paid my $3 but nothing happened. There is too much secrecy and control here for something intended to 'save our world', and my advice would be to open up. Saving the Earth requires greater intellectual input than any single man or even any small group of men could ever offer, and what was it JFK said about secrecy - repugnant. Actually I am so concerned about what is being stated here from a modus operandii point of view that I am going to check the published V2.5 Bruce Perreault circuit arrangement out myself. *This has nothing to do with distant tropical thunderstorms.* Actually it is the tropical regions where they were obliged to develop the top and 3.9MHz bands due to LW and MW being rendered disfunctional by lightning ! This publishing and membership situation is like an attempt to control (for some purpose?) that which cannot be controlled - this work will continue elsewhere regardless !!!!! I am not stating that the V2.5 circuit does not work at "X5 CP" as published, but I am claiming it has nothing to do with distant thunderstorms. Cheers ........... Graham. |
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The first instance works only, when noone else did read the Topic. |
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If you press refresh you can carry on reading. This eBook was made to allow people to decide if this was a project they would like to support. I hate the money system so much so I legally borrowed £200,000 and invested it into an alternative funeral directors, which caused the Blue chip Co-operative Funeral Service to invest millions in changing their doom and gloom morbid colours and ways, into bright & colorful celebration of life. There are positive things money can achieve, but very difficult when the money system is debt based. I intentionally never paid the money back and now I'm indefinately bankrupt because I will never sign their documents. I'm not legally oblidged to, it is a scam. This is perfectly legal in the UK, I wouldn't like to try this in the US. This is the reason I do not have to work and one of the many reasons I have zero financial interest in this project. I saw an opportunity to learn and work with some of the greatest radiant energy researchers and took it. In my spare time I am a full time dad to our 4 children and my mentally ill partner. Hopefully you will see the work that has gone into the 2nd Edition by comparing with the 1st. Sorry I did post after your question without seeing it. I certainly wasn't being ignorant. Quote:
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I am totally into sharing, this is why I built Log in
I went down the greed route once in this lifetime, never again!!!! Quote:
1. Contributions 2. Multi-millionaire investors. The second option is already available to us. We don't see any point going down this route. No one else has suceeded with option 2 because the whole money system is owned by the world's rulers. Why would it be any different for us @ realmikel - Sorry, I didn't mean to come across negatively @ GSM - Please check you should have a link now. Sorry about the wait. Our system isn't is slick as the 2nd Edition looks yet. We are trying to add the download to the PayPal invoice. @ realmikel & GSM - I've got to go now, but I will be back a little later to answer your other questions. @ IndianaBoys - Cheers, the link is right at the top of the thread. You have pointed out that this wasn't very clear to people. Thank you. @ GSM - The v2.5 schematic was posted in the first post of the thread. @ All - All this feedback is greatly appreciated. Last edited by soundiceuk : 07-21-2012 at 09:15 PM. Reason: Spelling mistake. |
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I think we have got off on the wrong foot here realmikel, but whilst I could see you were addressing Joit, I had no way of telling it was a joke.
Text is frequently interpreted incorrectly as it can mean too many things. Especially when we have different languages, slang, etc. I accept that few of you know me or know what my endgame is. My endgame is for the people of the world to own the best possible working energy technology. Do or die! As this technology is self-sustaining and uses no fuel but instead planetary ions that get recycled and not used, it rose to the top of the list. I am trying to help forfil Tesla's, Moray's, Don's & Bruce's dream. I'm assuming we are all here searching for freedom from energy slavery. Quote:
![]() This is how I see it. Money = options = Delivering a Radiant Energy Power Receiver to the masses. No Money = Investor and being steered to maximum profit position = delivering a product that will probably break 2 days after the warranty runs out. My own interpretation is the way this differs to amateur radio is that the circuit is hetrodyning very narrow band planentary frequencies and instead of changing the noise into sound it is being changed into direct electrical power. I would study the Crump patent in the 2nd Edition. I shall be asking your question to - ENGINEERING - and will post the response. Quote:
I'm certainly far from perfect, but I try to choose my words carefully, hoping people will interpret what I am saying from my exact words, rather than changing them to something else in their head. I do not mean this in a disrespectful way. It is just an observation. "Surely it clear to most people here" Which should have read "Sure it is clear to most people here". I am aware of the audience here that know me and what I'm about. That is who I referred to, I apologise and accept you have no way of knowing this. I guess we are still in the ice breaker or "getting to know me period". Our team has taken the proof of concept much further than what is currently posted and wants to deliver it safely to the masses in the form of a fully developed product and total disclosure of every last detail. We have attracted and are attracting some key players in the alternative energy arena. We want you, the people, to own this technology. Sorry for all the sales talk, it has all been very rushed to release the info. I have taken it upon myself to offer a form of protection / filtering to the engineering team in the way of being the secretary. I do this for the love of making the world a better place. If you look at Bruce's 1st Edition and the group effort 2nd Edition you will see how far we have come with $1000 which was left over from the sales of the 1st Edition after printing. We are a small team of self funded, dedicated volunteers. I still have GSM's posts to address seperately, but does anyone who has posted feel like their question has been ignored or not answered? I just wanted to add that none of this was planned. The collaboration just happened. Strange thing magnetism. ![]() |
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No it isn't a forum at this stage.
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Thanks SoundIceUK.
I downloaded from your link early this morning. I see V2.6 enclosed, but most of the rest I already had. I suppose this saves others from walking the same path to gain the collection of Patents and writings. Makes me jealous that newbies don't need to spend the same hours searching, but then the more there are on board the better it will be everyone else's future. Re lightning and tropical bands radio. Broadcasters aimed for a 20dB minimum S/N ratio with reference to local (lightning) noise; Tropical regions being where the lightning noise is. I read about the medium wave being unsuitable for use in tropical regions 3 or 4 decades ago, but do not remember the source. Here is lightning noise info;- noise is greater at low-medium broadcast frequencies - Atmospheric noise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Yes I saw the link, I just thought that maybe if the circuit diagram were shown here it would have created greater interest, though now I see there is the V2.6 anyway, and I respect ownership rights. The first paragraph of those linked notes talks about lightning, and this makes me wonder why. Keep up all your good efforts, as you said some time back - 2012 will be the year. Cheers ....... Graham. |
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Hi SoundIceUK.
Gone through some of my books. Even longer ago I read it ! World Radio and TV Handbook - 1963 - page 46 - by Roger Legge - USA;- "The Tropical Broadcasting Bands are assigned for use for domestic broadcasting in tropical areas, where high atmospheric noise levels limit the service area of medium wave stations." The 3.5Mz V2.5 frequency being right in the middle of the Tropical Band, though of course not tuned as a conventional carrier generating transmitter of electromagnetic radiation. Cheers ....... Graham. |
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a few tidbits
SoundIceUK,
1. Thank you for your altruism. 2. Thank you for sticking it to the London bankers. 3. Tesla referred to 500KHz as the "storm frequency." Source: Colorado Springs Notes. 4. The 7.5 to 8.0 MHz range might also be of interest. See Deyo's work. 5. The larger the wire diameter of the antenna, the greater the voltage impressed upon it. Source: ARRL Antenna Book. 6. What I'm dying to see is the full range of frequencies between 5Hz and 8 MHz on a spectrum analyzer. That way we'd know where the most energy lies. 7. Multiple stages could be implemented in this device to step down the frequency in each stage at the sub-harmonics to increase the voltage and current. 8. I'm not sure that adding the two 1.5V batteries is the way to go. I think adding a couple of 5V super caps (in the quarter to half farad range) might be a better approach. 9. I agree with the idea of adding a pair of voltmeters to the build. Seeing the voltage AND the current would provide definitive proof of additional energy in the circuit. 10. I would very much like to see the oscillator's energy coupled into the circuit via the primary. Ideally, the primary and secondary would be tuned to the same resonant frequency. A bit more effort required, but essential for optimum performance. Keep up the great work... cheers, mate! Chris |
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