Hi Paul,

I don't know where I downloaded V2.5 from, but it was the Texas IC version.

Had I downloaded the single transistor BFO version presently published I would not even have attempted replication because it won't work.

I was under the impression that the TI chip was used because it switched at 3.5MHz, but I had no way of knowing in advance whether it would actually drive the circuit, which of course it won't.

Great to see your basic proposals - excellent.

What you have stated is no more than a professional magazine editor would require anyway !
Though of course there would be great need to NOT publish imagery of live OU lest the doors start getting knocked. Only parts of the circuit at a time in one shot.

You wrote -
"I feel quite honored that this was the first device you have ever had enough faith in to give a it a go."

Yet I had reason, and this being that the TI chip is a mosfet conduction *pull up* regulator;
unlike the crystal oscillator which is a bipolar conduction *pull down*.
The chip won't work because the output pulse is not at 3.5MHz, only the sensing.
The bipolar BFO won't work because the only pull up is via a 1,000 ohm resistor.

What is needed is a *pull up* BFO where the output device pulls the antenna/coil voltage upwards towards the supply potential - a mirror image of the last suggested crystal oscillator circuit.

If bipolar the BFO should be a two transistor PNP darlington configuration, with say 22 ohms between the base and the emitter of the output device to ensure fast switch off; the output device being a fast small power transistor as used in video stages, only the PNP complementary version.
(At these frequencies avoiding device saturation and lazy switch off becomes most important.)

Yes an Armstrong oscillator will work, though again could not be as frequency stable with temperature and supply voltage variations. Another disadvantage here would relate to beats, for the field from the main V2.5 coil would unavoidably pull the tuning of an Armstrong oscillator, thus rendering the tuning of a beat impossible.
(I often wondered not only whether the Hendershott twin coils were beating, but how immense their RF alternating magnetic field must have been.)

I really don't know whether I have any crystals circa 3.5MHz, so will need another expedition into the roofspace in case there might be one in a spare radio chassis.

If you wish to run any circuits past me I should be pleased to do so in full confidence, for I have great respect for the circuit ownership of others, and as anyone will tell you who knows me in real life - I don't do anything for money, and I give all my own ideas away freely too.

You also wrote -
"If it works with LEDs self looping or not it still wouldn't satisfy you because of the possibility of a military transmitter."

But why should my satisfaction even this come down to a situation where I am expected to believe anything. A SW radio is all that is necessary. Tune in to the device, then turn the device off and tune nearby frequencies to show that there is nothing there.

If you sharpen your pencil, and I warm up the soldering iron, maybe the rest of the ION team can get their heads together to sort out exactly what it is our circuits should be doing, so that everyone can move forwards sooner rather than later.

Cheers ........ Graham.

PS. Of course I could e-mail privately, but this project needs as many minds as possible, and in as many countries as possible.

Hey Soundiceuk.
A big thank you for all that you have done buddy !
Personally I believe you are doing the most important work for the ION Technology Team: Coordinating people and circuits/schematics.
Beside that you have your family troubles to get by, which is not the most easiest thing in the world. God Bless You !!
You are altruist like Tesla was
Very Big Thanks to you.

Hi soundiceuk,

This circuit is very appellative since all components are easy to find to me.
Have someone replicated this device with success?

The operation of this device is different of Bruce's v2.6, it's hard to me to understand how it work.
There is any document with more technical information of this device?

Have you already try a self-running configuration?
There is more success replicators of this design?

Thanks
best regards,
Henriques

Awesome coil design, I like it.
I wonder how it would work incorporated into Don Smiths device.

@ prato_braun & Peculian -Thanks for the kind words of support!

I'm really sorry I haven't responded lately. I have had computer and relationship problems.

I decided to post to try and clear up some of the remaining questions, even though a - d are not ready.

The frequencies change slightly from location to location.

The lower or higher frequencies can be used or even combined.

Infact they can be combined in so many ways with various harmonics nothing has been nailed down completely yet. This is a minefield in itself.


@ c_henriques - The validation circuit was independently produced by a private engineer as a learning tool to help him validate what Bruce is attempting to teach.

These were the only components he had on standby.

From what I know C4 is charged via induction.

@ Neo1 - Did you have any luck finding a cap with roughly the same capacitance? How were you measuring the capacitance and what with?


What information from the validation schematic is missing to enable folks to replicate?


The latest postive news I have heard is a simple self running proof of concept is being produced, although I would be glad to see an independent version of the validation circuit with GSM's self running modifications applied.

@ GSM

I'm looking forward to producing something you can warm up the soldering ion for.

Still some unanswered questions to wrap up in this thread. I'm lost in my email inbox.

Hi, I was using a capacitance/inductance meter to measure for the 75pF and have had no luck find a suitable capacitor. I am looking forward to a version that is simple to replicate and uses off the shelf parts.

I know that the knowledge is now available!

Anyone serious about wanting to overturn the current systems of control and suppression will see through the desire for monetary gain, or personal recognition, and see that the value perceived in money will have no value at all once the truth becomes clear, and that tapping the environment for FREE energy that is all around us is our ultimate destiny, as the awareness is now held in the morphogenetic field.

Kris

Hi Kris

Why don't you make a cap from 2 small sheets of aluminum?

Regards

John

Antenna-ground reactions will have different relationships in different locations, with some locations being much more stably coherent than others.

Thus I wonder if recorded frequencies have been noted changing at any fixed location (due to molecular changes within the earth caused by entirely natural solar events/ relations, or crustal stresses) ?

Cheers ....... Graham.

I think this is relevant here as well

In a gas discharge, such as a fluorescent lamp, current causes resistance to decrease. This is because as more electrons and ions flow through a particular area, they bump into more atoms, which frees up electrons, creating more charged particles. In this way, current will climb on its own in a gas discharge, as long as there is adequate voltage (and household AC current has a lot of voltage). If the current in a fluorescent light isn't controlled, it can blow out the various electrical components.

Unique Crystal Radio

The coil design is very interesting I was thinking on how to incorporate this into the Don Smith system and came up with this.

Theory is definately important Dave45

This link is courtesy of John Galloway


An Explanation of how the "Mystery Crystal Radio" Works

Mystery Crystal Radio circuit analysis

From my basic understanding a simple experiment can be carried out using an antenna, earth grounding rod and mystery coil to find out what voltage can be measured peak to peak for your elevation.

This will allow you to improve your earth ground and higher surface area antenna design and measure the day to day fluctuations.

Those with scopes will be able to monitor frequencies in there area with tuning added.

Look for the frequency on this page - 1.094mhz

- 5x More Current Out Than In - Validation Of Proof Of Concept -


We believe this photograph of Moray shows the back of his device and that he is tuning his antenna.




Here is some of the more recent research for those who are interested.


Sire of time (keeper of time)

Saturn, Source of Measure


Old Father Time

Old Father Time


Discovery
Immediately after the discovery of Jupiter's decametric radio emissions in 1955, attempts were made to detect a similar emission from Saturn, but with inconclusive results. The first evidence that Saturn might have an internally generated magnetic field came in 1974, with the detection of weak radio emissions from the planet at the frequency of about 1 MHz.

Magnetosphere of Saturn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Saturn Radio Noise

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9hdzmh7k4...%20noise.mp3?m

The Radio Sun

The Radio Sun

Q. Do you happen to know the brand of 3300pf electrolytic you used that happened to have the 70pf case to terminals?

A. They are labeled Xicon, I'm not sure what I took them out of. Even if it's not exactly right you can simply dial the variable capacitor to a lesser capacitance to offset the difference or simply adjust what you have with a foil cover.

You can also adjust the coil to set the resonance based on the value of the cap. Lots of work arounds if one is creative...

Regarding the 70pF - thanks for your reply -I welcome the response from the engineers as with a cct that is harnesing this type of energy I feel it is important to get the direction from the engineers as they are going to have a clear understanding of what specific interaction is taking place and thus required from that part of the cct in order to obtain the desired results. Cool!
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Hi soundiceuk,

About 2.6 proof of concept when you talk about heterodyne what's happen?
1) there is a non-linear component to mix (multiply) the frequencies of the two waves (BFO wave and thunderstorms wave) - sin(x)*sin(y)=1/2cos(x-y)-1/2cos(x+y)

2) or there are a sum of the two waves and the resulting wave is the average frequency multiplied for a periodic wave whose the frequency is the difference of the frequencies.


About 0.4 validation
It is the same principle that the 2.6 proof? This 0.4 validation also works at 3.5Mhz range?

The primary coil L1 vibrates at a slightly different frequency of the thunderstorms waves (generated on antenna and tank L2) ???
Why the frequency generated on L1 is different? is it due to the L1 inductance and C1 capacitance?

Very thanks,
Henriques

Hi

I have scanned a few pages of graphs etc that may be helpful in understanding this device.

















Regards

John

Hey all,

I've attempted to replicate the circuit as shown on this thread (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33118048/Ra...eiver-v2.5.pdf).

I couldn't get the circuit going, though I'm not sure how to connect the radio tuning capacitor, and whether or not the crystal oscillator is suitable for the job.

I was unable to measure the capacitance of the radio tuning capacitor, and it has 3 terminals coming out of it.
60 - 160pF Miniature Tuning Capacitor - Jaycar Electronics

The crystal oscillator is a two pin connected 3.5795MHz
3.5795MHz Crystal - Jaycar Electronics

I've verified the coil using an inductance meter, and the earth connection from the circuit board is connected to a soldering iron which is connected to the electrical earth / earth stake on the side of the house.

Earth connection:
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

I could only get a 6v 55 watt bulb, although it didn't show any sign of lighting up.

Any help in getting this circuit going would be much appreciated. Thanks for that

Andrew from Panacea

Circuit board:
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

Circuit board tracks & tuning capacitor connectors:
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

How you connect the oscillator?
look this https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyvyg49sbe...28%20BFO.pdf?m

I think that with this bulb it will not work, try a less power bulb.

The oscillator is connected in series between the input battery positive terminal, and the LC resonant circuit.
The circuit diagram showing how we connected it is at the top of the PDF document in the following link: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33118048/Ra...eiver-v2.5.pdf
Being only a two pin crystal, there is no connection to the negative, only in series on the positive side.

You could be right about the light bulb - maybe the proof of concept receiver doesn't like low impedance loads. I'll see what else I can get my hands on.

I had a look at the document link you provided - thanks for that
It looks like the capacitor or inductor in series shifts the frequency of the crystal oscillator. I will keep that in mind.

Andrew from Panacea

If I could point out that the second option does not have to take the form you guys are using.

Here's what I'd do....

You guys alledgedly have working (though uncontrollable at this point) high power output. Rather than acting all coy about this, make a couple of spectacular Tesla-esque demo videos of a couple of batteries connected to your device blowing something up.

That'll go viral instantly.

It doesn't matter that it's unconrollable and dangerous and to be honest the theory is less important than the result from my perspective. Not marketing in the traditional sense, but for awareness purposes.

Also, look at non-profit software foundations like Mozilla and Wikipedia. They have very sustainable working business models based on donations and advertising. For most people to donate though, we'll need to see high power evidence, controllable or not.

On a similar software slant, make the project truly open. If the goal is to release this for free (and looking at the income of Wikipedia etc, this doesn't mean for nothing) is the goal then it doesn't matter if it isn't controllable at the moment.

So your action plan should be (imo):

1. Forget about liability issues, if you are releasing scientific research rather than a product you don't have any liability. They'll be releasing research material to be acted upon by competent people in a safe environment.

2. Make couple of videos of something spectacular - some unfused relatively high power device starting to smoke from the output of a couple of AA cells or whatever it is. Put that everywhere, including the front page of the site.

3. Put a giant donate button on the site. We shouldn't have to click into places and subscribe to stuff to donate on a whim. The donate link strangely hidden away in the first post on the third thread of the forum to donate isn't working here.

4. Get the info out there to every single reporter, blogger, forum, net-energy importing government, media-friendly environmental activist and, of course, university on the planet.

But yeah, fix the donate thing.

I hope this is seen as positive and constructive, because I really want to see something like this work.

Cheers

Paul

Hi Henriques, the engineers are on holiday at the moment and Bruce is in bed sick.

I will try my best to give you some information, although it may not completely answer your questions entirely.

The way I understand it, the whole point of the circuit is to create a draft / pressure difference (vacuum).

Open two windows in your house and doors can start opening and slamming on there own. Remove the doors completely and you have a draft.


Using the analogy of water is how I learned about electricity, so I will try to explain my understanding that way.

The planet earth is surrounded by water (ions).

When one of these circuits is built correctly it becomes a "sink hole" or "pipe" that creates a difference in pressures, so that the water (ions) is encouraged into the hole (circuit) like a syphon action. We believe a vortex action could add massively to the ouput, although as far as I know no one has tried it yet, but the theory is there in some detail.

We believe a number of frequencies can be combined in a number of ways to create a vortex.

I haven't fully understood that part yet, so my explanation is quite basic.

The way I see the tank circuit is a bit like sitting in the bath with the tap on and moving your body backwards and forwards in time so the water goes higher and higher each time.


One of the other things that is being explored are regenerative circuits, which were used in radios of the late 1920's early 1930's.


Here is a little Q & A from me to the engineers.

Q. Is there any alpha fusion taking place in the proof of concept circuit?

A. No, there isn't any alpha fusion.


Q. So, if there is no alpha fusion which part does the excess energy come from?

A. It comes from the atomic decay from the planetary IONS that are created from natural radiation processes as is outlined in the 2nd Edition.


Q. Ok, imagine I'm a lonely little ION floating around near the antenna.

Why am I encouraged to travel onto and along the antenna on the proof of concept circuit and how do I turn into an electron in the circuit?

A. My understanding of the process is that the mostly positive IONS in the air and the mostly negative IONS in the ground are attracted to each other. The negative IONS in the ground cling to the ground rod where they lose their negative charge to the positively charged circuitry that is electrically connected to the antenna. There is an electrical current that takes place in the wires because electrons in the wires travel away from the negatively charged ground rod towards the positively charge antenna.

I hope I've explained the process correctly and anyone is open to correct me where I might be wrong.

I may have a slightly different understanding - I see the earth and air as a continuously neutralizing flow of pos and neg. The earth contains both charges and is neutral as does the air. Both are in continuous change based on natural occurrences that alter these charges. For instance in storm where the clouds are charged highly negative.... since negative charges repel each other the earth below becomes positively charged. If we place a HV neg charge on an antenna it will repel all neg charges around it and attract a positive charge, the same would happen in an earth connection.

Experimenting with HV DC charges I found you can charge a capacitor by placing a sphere in a HV neg condition and bring a point in close proximity to the sphere. Between the ground and point you place a capacitor that you want charged. The sphere ( neg charge ) makes the point a concentrated pos charge which then creates a neg plate on the capacitor and the ground side attracts the pos charge from earth. Since this process only happens once at the point of connection in order to continually charge the cap you need to neutralize one of the components. If we ground the point in a pulsing manor we can bring the cap charge to extremely high levels. Since there is no exchange of electrons between the point and charged sphere there is no power required to set this process in motion other than the initial charging of the sphere.

If this process is reversed, such as a positively charged sphere there will be an endless flow of neg charge at the point - in which case the capacitor would be charged neg on the ground side. This to me is a natural DC flow, natures diode.

If we take, for instance, tesla's basic radiant energy patent and have an antenna connected to a capacitor then to ground the plates of the capacitor will gather their respective charges based on surrounding conditions. Once nature has "balanced" the charges it remains dormant until something occurs to alter that charge. A spark gap and coil will neutralize the plates and the process begins over again. As long as we continue to neutralize the plates nature will continuously bring them back to balance, or a charged state. As long as we can maintain the neutralizing process nature will continuously try to maintain a balance.

In his patent he states that connecting the capacitor to ground and an antenna or plate as the "simplest" method to create the initial imbalance people tend to overlook what he eludes to in only a brief mention. As stated in his patent "the second terminal or armature of the condenser may be connected to one of the poles of a battery or other source of electricity or to any conducting body or object whatever of such properties or so conditioned that by its means electricity of the required sign will be supplied to the terminal. " People tend to dismiss this when reading the very next statement explaining the simple way of supplying a natural pos and neg and their results are poor but successful for very low power applications.

I see it as forming a natural battery by maintaining a HV charge on one terminal and allowing nature to supply to opposite charge to the other. Once nature balances this charge we neutralize it and allow the process to start over. The action of neutralization becomes our useable output. Our circuits are simply a method of creating a continuous imbalance/neutralization process that because of this process can be transformed into a useable output.

The disassociation of matter may enhance the process considerably but I don't believe it's necessary to achieve our goals.


Here is an interesting research patent.

James Marion Fisher, Covington, Ky., assignor to The Radiant Energies Corporation, Cincinnati,. Ohio, a corporation of Ohio. Application July 1'1', 1934

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33118048/2143437.pdf

Try with LEDs to get the tuning closer.

What are you reading on your antenna and earth peak to peak?

What are you using for you antenna?

What is your elevation / location?

I am preparing 2nd Edition 0.13 BETA 4 with an updated schematic.

I have a few software problems at the moment.

Adobe Acrobat X has just stopped working!

I like your suggestions.

We are heading in the right direction, but slowly.


Very interesting you should mention the Donate button in this thread.

I have edited the link a number of times.

An outside influence keeps making it into a link that doesn't work.


I have just donated a box of brand new components worth approx £100 to the engineer that built the proof of concept validation circuits.

I have a few more boxes of parts to also send him.


This week I will be posting his working schematic of Bruce's v2.6 using the Armstrong oscillator also used in the validation v0.4.

I think when this is posted things will become clearer.


I have identified that our the engineer I am donating components to needs a tripod and decent video camera to capture the goods properly for us.

I do not have these items to lend and I'm broke at the moment. The next bit of spare cash I have will pay to send some more components that I have gathered.

Some hydroponics white - black - white grow film would also brighten up his workshop and help the video quality massively.

A circuit melting to bits would definitely tell the story.

One way of obtaining high power is to charge the antenna negatively with HV and replace the off the shelf detector diodes for ion valves.

@ john_g

Thank you for taking the time to post this very interesting information.

Thanks very much for your reply. Apologies for selectively quoting you, but I have to say that those parts don't give too good a signal.

My phone takes as good (roughly) a video as my HD camcorder. If these guys are actually in New Hampshire then they'll have a friend or member of family with a camcorder or HD smartphone. That excuse for money sounds a bit.. well... "Nigerian".

Have you spoken with them?

Bruce is the only one in New Hampshire.

I'm not asking for a donation if that's how it reads.

I'm certain we can sort something out between us.

The engineer has his own youtube channel and camera & Bruce made nearly all the Don Smith videos.

I would like to see a decent camera & tripod end up in the hands of this particular engineer. Especially as he has achieved a decent output without any radioactive ores or isotopes prior to meeting Bruce.

Infact it's a very strange coincidence that they have been working on the same circuit individually, without even knowing each other.

Does anyone believe in fate?

I have not met anyone from Energetic in person or spoken on the telephone.

I have nearly 3000 emails from Bruce since Feb 2012 though.

Not enough hours in the day I'm afraid

Cheers, I wasn't implying that you were soliciting donations but highlighting that for an ordinary guy like me to get behind this and donate I'd need to see some evidence and *cough* also *cough* be able to.

To be honest, at this stage it all seems a bit cloak and dagger for my liking. Especially the (paraphrasing) "we have high power working, but can't release because of liability worries, please donate to get us to the next level" thing. I'm not into the whole MIB theory and can't understand people who aren't completely open source who are.

I'll watch with interest. I'm not a rich man, but I'll donate regularly and encourage everybody to get behind it if I know for sure it's real.

But to the layman, talk of camcorders seems a bit cuckoo when we're alledgedly on the verge of a world breakthrough.

All the best,

Paul

Many thanks for that

Do you recommend using an oscilloscope to try and measure the peak to peak voltage between the antenna and earth?

I'm using a ~21m length of copper wire, approximately 1mm thick. The antenna is at least 10 feet from the ground. The wire is currently strung in an east / west orientation.

My location is Loganlea QLD (Australia), and the elevation is approximately 23m above sea level.

I'm looking forward to viewing the updated edition & schematic

I tried measuring the voltage (AC & DC settings) and frequency between the output of the crystal oscillator and the battery negative. I couldn't get a reading. I measured the voltage across the crystal oscillator and got the battery voltage.

Any help is always much appreciated, and will contribute any feedback back in to the project

Andrew from Panacea

Hi Paul, I was kindly donated a Dell Core2duo laptop and desktop by one the members when my pc went down from a virus.

Now there may have been someone reading who has loads of old cameras / tripods lying around or has something for sale on ebay, who knows.

MIB theory

I know two members of this forum who have been visited at their homes in the UK after showing videos showing devices with too high of an efficiency for the establishment to allow. One had parts stolen and death threats made to him and his family and the other had parts and equipment stolen.

I don't know how old you are or what your life experience is, but my own life experience has proven to me that things definately go on behind the scenes and legal systems.

I realise that nothing can be completely protected but I do offer some form of protection to the people that have volunteered to help, however thin this may be.

I'm not a rich man and I donate my time and money freely to help perpetuate the technology. I appreciate folks need and want to see more action before getting financially involved.

I have just remembered that I have a nearly new USB HD web camera in a box in the attic.

I wear my heart on my sleeve and often talk my thoughts out loud, in the hope it will create a new or better idea. Sometimes this comes from myself and sometimes it doesn't.

Thanks for the feedback.

Hi Andrew, I would say yes to the scope unless you have a digital meter capable of reading fast enough. I'm guessing a DMM would average the readings or read the highest peak.

I'll get the schematic finished ASAP.

Cheers,

Paul