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Old 07-13-2012, 04:38 PM
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Coil Winding

Hope this is not a stupid guestion? When winding the 2 series poles, is one pole wound and then the complimentary pole or are they wound in a figure 8, winding both poles together? Very exciting and thanks to all who are sharing.
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Wind Direction

I think as both ends of the rotor is now reversable that as long as you wind all coils in the same direction that it does not matter which direction one winds. Correct me if I am wrong please.
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Hope this is not a stupid guestion? When winding the 2 series poles, is one pole wound and then the complimentary pole or are they wound in a figure 8, winding both poles together? Very exciting and thanks to all who are sharing.
Brad S

Hi Brad S

You wind one side to the point, then with the same wire wind the other from the point. So as you look at the windings from the shaft end you have a north on one side and a south on other. I have to say I found it very frustrating to wind (not that I have much experience of motors) because its so small.

Dana, I think you are correct, as I say its the same way viewed from the shaft end, (over the top, return under) otherwise viewed side on, one is CW the other CCW.

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Thanks many millions. Unbelievable torque from a small battery! This is similar to what Kapanadez is doing with his small motor driving large generator.
Right now it appears that, "ENERGY OUTPUT >>> ENERGY INPUT". I intend to replicate your radio-shack motor design first. Your work is outstanding. "We as true human beings, are distinction from animals. We have access to immortality through ideas. We live forever in that legacy of ideas. We the living must provide justice for the dead, the generations who went before, and a future for the generations to come", Larouche. So this is how our hero N. Tesla is still living through you and us by fulling his dreams. Furthermore, you are tirelessly working to realize Tesla's dreams. Next my suggestion to all on this list is to start replicating your work instead just thinking about it. Let the enlightenment of asymmetry shine over out this beautiful planet earth. We have suffered long enough.
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Hello to all,

First let me congratulate Woopy, for His very FAST Replication of the 5 Pole, And the GREAT Video He has Posted here !!

Thanks Woopy great and fast work!

It is a Friday 13th, The day that Woopy killed the first WITCH, over in His Country!!


Ok, the main reason I chose this type of winding, is because it is applicable to most Poles Configurations. Where all you have to do is go [P-1 to P-n] in windings, till you meet the P-1 (Do NOT Overlap on top of P-1 EVER!!

The Secret for this windings (ALL) is the fact that They could NEVER be Opposed to each others as Pairs of Input and Pairs of Output touching both the same Commutator Elements at same time at 180 Degrees. This will cause Two Opposed Magnetic Fields Interlaced will CANCEL to Zero...So Your Outputs will be very LOW.


Here are some Rendered Images from my future Animated Video...they give Us a much better view of the Assembly, plus seen the wiring in 3D


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Old 07-13-2012, 05:16 PM
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I must say I really like this design. I wonder if you can get it to power itself, by using the output winding to charge your power cap or battery trough a diode.

If that works with a cap, there is no question about COP >1...
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Hope this is not a stupid guestion? When winding the 2 series poles, is one pole wound and then the complimentary pole or are they wound in a figure 8, winding both poles together? Very exciting and thanks to all who are sharing.
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Hello Brad,

You just wind it as winding a straight through Coil...no matter what paths over the core you have to follow...Understand me?
Meaning that a continuous Wire wound will render at start , let's say an N projected toward Stators, and the other side ITS South projected also outwards...
I think that getting distracted from Cores-Poles Config's get you guys confused, so FOCUS on your wires first, and their direction to follow.

The other thing is to MARK YOUR START WIND PRE-CHOSEN COMMUTATOR . Because once you start turning it, it could be a tendency to confusion...


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Old 07-13-2012, 05:31 PM
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I want to make my videos, my explanations, Articles and every material available out there...To be Translated in every possible existing Language in our Planet, please!


So, I need as a big help to contribute to translations of my main videos, as The Asymmetry-Symmetry, and also the testing Vid.s where subtitles could be set on all of them.

It is a simple deal for those who have good editors software as is Adobe After Effects and many many more outt here, and Good Hardware for subtitling, after downloading My Videos.

This Videos are ALL PUBLIC DOMAIN, I WILL NEVER, EVER SAY, WRITE OR STATE, THAT I ANYONE NEEDS TO ASK ME FOR PERMISSION TO COPY, DISTRIBUTE, SHARE, EMBED IN ANY DESIRED SITES

I know many of you are still busy replicating, but I want to make videos on How to Animated with Sub's...where every Country out There could see them and make them, PLEASE!



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Old 07-13-2012, 05:33 PM
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It is great to see more successful replications going on.

If someone were to post a quick video of doing the windings, I believe more would join in.

Thanks to all that are contributing to advancing the understanding!

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I want to make my videos, my explanations, Articles and every material available out there...To be Translated in every possible existing Language in our Planet, please!


So, I need as a big help to contribute to translations of my main videos, as The Asymmetry-Symmetry, and also the testing Vid.s where subtitles could be set on all of them.

It is a simple deal for those who have good editors software as is Adobe After Effects and many many more outt here, and Good Hardware for subtitling, after downloading My Videos.

This Videos are ALL PUBLIC DOMAIN, I WILL NEVER, EVER SAY, WRITE OR STATE, THAT I ANYONE NEEDS TO ASK ME FOR PERMISSION TO COPY, DISTRIBUTE, SHARE, EMBED IN ANY DESIRED SITES

I know many of you are still busy replicating, but I want to make videos on How to Animated with Sub's...where every Country out There could see them and make them, PLEASE!



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May I suggest to take it a littlebit easy with the translation of the explanations?

Quite frankly, your explanation with the Witch idea sucks. Now please don't take this as an offence, but it is important to get this right before you try and make it go viral.

First of all, there is a glaring misunderstanding in this picture:



There is NO REVERSAL OF MAGNETIC POLARISATION!!
The North and South poles stay where they are, and the current trough the coil keeps on flowing IN THE SAME DIRECTION. ONLY the voltage gets another polarization. The way you have drawn your output current is also wrong, it does NOT go against the direction of the diodes!

And your explanation that the witch works against you also is not correct. Yes, it creates a counter-force, BUT that makes it such that it draws less current and therefore you have to provide less energy to keep the thing running.

Now your design is great, and I do think it works, but not along the lines you explain.

The way it works, is a bit like how a transistor works. Trough the base of the transistor, you steer the amount of current from an already existing energy source going trough colllector and emitter.

In your design, what you do is to steer the ALREADY EXISTING PERMANENT MAGNETIC field in a slightly different direction.

In other words: you create a disbalance in the already existing permanent magnetic field, much like the electron beam in a television tube is diverted by a magnetic field. And that way, it is the permanent magnet that powers your motor and NOT the current you put in yourself. That is only a steering current, NOT the main power source.

So, what you have done is that you have found a way to use an already existing power source, a permanent magnet, to power your motor, which is quite an accomplishment, since I have never seen anyone do that before.




But, IMHO, you do have to re-do some of your homework on the theory part. And I think it could be a good idea to do that before you try and hit CNN...

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:07 PM
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I want to make my videos, my explanations, Articles and every material available out there...To be Translated in every possible existing Language in our Planet, please!


So, I need as a big help to contribute to translations of my main videos, as The Asymmetry-Symmetry, and also the testing Vid.s where subtitles could be set on all of them.

It is a simple deal for those who have good editors software as is Adobe After Effects and many many more outt here, and Good Hardware for subtitling, after downloading My Videos.

This Videos are ALL PUBLIC DOMAIN, I WILL NEVER, EVER SAY, WRITE OR STATE, THAT I ANYONE NEEDS TO ASK ME FOR PERMISSION TO COPY, DISTRIBUTE, SHARE, EMBED IN ANY DESIRED SITES

I know many of you are still busy replicating, but I want to make videos on How to Animated with Sub's...where every Country out There could see them and make them, PLEASE!



Regards and Many, many thanks!!


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Hello UFO,

Thank you so very much for sharing all of this with us with all the many drawings and EXCELLENT videos!

I picked up 3 Radio Shack motors last night and will have this built over the weekend.

We'll be killing witches down in Texas!

Cheers,

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:23 PM
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I have got everything ready except the winding.



Is this how the Bosch is wound?
I have 4 poled motor laid out as the picture show. You said you had a 4 poled motor in that Bosch. But you have some output and that indicates a generator at least according to the 5 pole motor which does not have an output as far as I can see.
Can you shed some light on the Bosch?

Thanks
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He, the people of the world and of course, the princess is best protected by many more replications, not theoretical discussions at this point in time. Unlike some here that are probably overfed, etc., there are people dying horribly out of lack of the potential this technology offers. Frankly, they don't give a hoot for the theory, for some their stomachs are rumbling and cramping and such and they certainly don't care of the potential risks - if they live 10 years shorter but don't have to suffer or see and feel less suffering due to lack of this tech, they will do the deal! When there are wells, waterpumps, etc. are running all over third world people all over the world with this technology, then the releasing of theoretical corrections will be appropriate. Then, somebody other that swollen egghead types may actually care.
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One more point, ufo's time is far better spent moving on with his noble agenda than having to slow down and risk getting bogged down with "theory". But he already knows this. The sooner the practical information/updates and scale-up information are released, the sooner it will be put to use.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:11 PM
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OK Luther,
I see your three motors and raise you one. I got four Radio Shack motors so I can (hopefully) build two, but at least have the parts to make SURE I get one going. And I am looking at my pair of Razor Scooter motors as well as this pair of Pac Sci motors and thinking about converting them, and then seeing what happens when I run one on the 3BGS setup. I may wet my pants if I keep thinking about it. LOL

I also have the 12 volt motor I rewound for the Peter Lindemann project with and extra set of brushes and commutator.

Oh, I found a place that sells A solid piece of plastic with a hole in the center. It has a solid layer of copper bonded to the outside of the plastic, so all you have to do is cut through the copper with a hack saw until you get to the plastic in different places, and then chisel away the unwanted sections of copper. It is a "universal commutator" which you can put on any size shaft by drilling out the center hole and match up with any commutator by marking and cutting the copper in the correct place. I will try to find that link and post it here.
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You got us all on board now UFO. Lots more testing needs to be done to see exactly what we have here, but I can tell you for sure that Luther, Matt and I will test the heck out of this thing. And not just with the smaller motors, but with larger ones.
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Hello,

I could translate to portuguese if you wan't i just would like to understand a little better...


Lsmare, i guess he is saying the polarity reverses because of the return energy, the princes.

When the coil is being discharged the current flowing thru the load creates this reversed magnetic field.

Is that correct?

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i think at this point in time Ufopolitics can call it whatever he likes.
if the rest of us can understand it like him we'll be lucky.

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It is great to see more successful replications going on.

If someone were to post a quick video of doing the windings, I believe more would join in.

Thanks to all that are contributing to advancing the understanding!

IndianaBoys
I do see that having a quick video of winding tech. would help a lot more people get this done without frustration and the more replications the more people see this, the faster the world will change.
This reminds me of the 100 monkey story where 100 monkies lived on an island and believed that bananas were not good to eat for monkies. One day a large trunk rolled up on shore and aall the monkies came to see what was inside. After opening and seeing the bananas the elder said that it was a nice box but it was a waste because monkies did not eat bananas. Later that week one small monkey snuck down to the box and tried a banana and liked it so much that he started sneeking down there every day. After a while other young monkies saw what he was doing and told him to stop as monkeys did not eat bananas. He told them to just try one and thay did and liked them. Every few days more and more monkeys found the group and the same thing happened but all were told to mot tell the elders because everybody knows that monkeys dont eat bananas. This went on untill one day there were 50 monkies at the trunk site. Wondering where all the other monkies were the elders followed them to the trunk. Since there were so many monkeys eating bananas, there was little talk befor all the monkieys were eating tha bananas and to this day everyone knows that (monkeys eat bananas).
What this story shows is that the whole of thought will change only when 50% of the people know and are doing it. Replications, Replications, Replications. Build them, show them and teach as many who will learn to make them. Then and only then will all of mankind have it. Untill 50% have it there will be problems as everybody knows that we use AC current and spend our money and health unwisely. Humans do not use Free Energy.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:26 PM
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Tomorrow morning i'm going to buy some motors to try this... I found great connection to what is claimed in 1975 patent N°3,013,004

Rotary transformer generator motor Machine that increase power output x power input...
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Tomorrow morning i'm going to buy some motors to try this... I found great connection to what is claimed in 1975 patent N°3,013,004

Rotary transformer generator motor Machine that increase power output x power input...
Sebosfato,

I think you mean patent No 3,913,004

http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf

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Hello Brad,

You just wind it as winding a straight through Coil...no matter what paths over the core you have to follow...Understand me?
Meaning that a continuous Wire wound will render at start , let's say an N projected toward Stators, and the other side ITS South projected also outwards...
I think that getting distracted from Cores-Poles Config's get you guys confused, so FOCUS on your wires first, and their direction to follow.

The other thing is to MARK YOUR START WIND PRE-CHOSEN COMMUTATOR . Because once you start turning it, it could be a tendency to confusion...


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Hi UFO,

Would it be possible to film the entire winding of one of the little RS motors from start to finish? From reading the posts here, it seems there is still some confusion as to how to wind the coils... I think once we see it we'll be able to apply it and everyone will be doing it in the same consistent manner...

I'm sorry to add more to what you are already doing for everyone... but this seems to be one of the most critical points to get correct...

Thanks for everything!

Cheers and best regards,

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Exact! thanks for the correction...

I guess what happens is that the greater the load at the ac part the the greater is the imbalance between emf and cemf... Is that so?
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I will film winding mine, and then if it works, I will post it. If it doesn't work, I will just pretend I never got around to winding it rather than suffer further embarrassment by posting how dumb I am. If somebody beats me to it, so much the better for all of us.

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I will film winding mine, and then if it works, I will post it. If it doesn't work, I will just pretend I never got around to winding it rather than suffer further embarrassment by posting how dumb I am. If somebody beats me to it, so much the better for all of us.

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Lol, I hope you're successful! I really could could a video too, I'm not 100% sure on how to wind it yet.
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I like your way of thinking. But, I hope it works. We all need to do it all the same way, fast, easy and learn how to do all types of motors.
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Picked up 3 of the Radio Shack Motors 273-256 today.

RadioShackŪ Super Speed 9-18VDC Hobby Motor
Model:273-256 Catalog #: 273-256
RadioShackŪ Super Speed 9-18VDC Hobby Motor - RadioShack.com

30 gage red magnet wire:
315-Ft. Magnet Wire Set : Wire Sets | RadioShack.com

They only had 3 motors on the shelf.

Said when they sell 3 that is the reorder point.

Also said it was a slow seller.

Just letting others know they may want to plan ahead and get some motors on order now. As this info spreads and easier details of a how to video are put together demand for these motors will likely increase and longer lead times can be expected.

UFOPolitics, have you given a specific name to this Radio Shack motor build now that it has been born?

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Thumbs up Thanks for the help

@all,
A big thank you to all who have responded about the coil winding. The responses have helped and think the light bulb is starting to come on. A video would be most helpful, I agree. I want my build to be successful and see the kind of results others have experienced. Yes, I picked up my motors at RS today and they told me the same thing, my store will be reordering after my purchase today. This is going to be a fun weekend.
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[QUOTE=Ufopolitics;201465][IMG][/IMG]

This is how I understand the windining, correct me when I am wrong:
The picture is a topview of the rotor with magnets.
Attach wire to the upper commutator at P1 and wrap magnetic wire 25 times through holes marked P4 and P1 in the picture, do not cut the wire, and wind 25 times (same direction as previous coil) through holes marked P1 and P3.
Do not cut the wire and attach it to lower commutator at the pole exactly opposite to P1. Cut the wire. Total wire resistance should be between 1.2 or 1.6 ohm.
Now start at P2 through holes (25x)P5-P2 attached to holes (25x)P2-P4 attach cable again to lower commutator at the opposing pole to P2 etc.
In total you make five V-shaped (two-pair serial) coils.

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Hi Ufopolitics,
thanks again for your sharing! You offered a procedure I never dared to expect to experience in my life!

Regarding translations:
I saw too many poor translations on youtube because some are good in translating while others are experts in vids. I.e. I can provide quite good translations in German but my only expertise in vids is starting and stopping them.
My suggestion is to assign numbers to the individual pragraphs in a specific vid and post them here. Translations provided can be forwarded to experts in video processing. Because of the reference numbers those can provide translated vids even if they do not understand the language.
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Quite frankly, your explanation with the Witch idea sucks. Now please don't take this as an offence, but it is important to get this right before you try and make it go viral.


Hello Dear Lamare,

First, please allow me to express my many thanks for all your fine compliments to my work.
Second, please allow me to tell you the description as how a Magnetic Field Develops in a Spiral Shape is excellent and beautiful, and, as a matter of fact, I do think of reproducing it in Three Dimensional Transparency Dynamics Graphics in a near Future...after We All take care of the "Main Priorities" as is get on with the Reproduction and spread of all the knowledge I want to share here and other places...

However, I will use it, to show it "Versus" the way I conceive it is based according to all my Lab Work...I have felt this force, this interactions, with my own hands...and pieces of steel bars...for hours, tryng, like a "Blind Man" to feel its structure and dynamics...

I have still to disclose a Method where Permanent Magnets are not required for this Systems...either, a Massive Laminated "Bulky" Steel Core...and still obtaining a very, extremely robust Magnetic Field Stators Arrangement, that besides rendering their job as Stators...We get Radiant Energy out of them galore....through my First Thread here...And the thing is...Dear Lamre, this Fiberglass Core, very light that I have built...is composed of ONLY ONE SINGLE COIL OF WIRE across the Armatures...and, to "Top it Off", its Magnetic Fields as conceived by "Classic Physics" are supposed to project the Maximum Strength towards the ENDS of the Coil...Well, I am sorry to tell you...They DO NOT project "Outwards" the Heaviest and more Robust Fields...THEY ARE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF COIL, My Dear friend.

To the Point that ANY ARMATURE, SYMMETRIC or ASYMMETRIC that We Slide inside that EM Tunnel, and supply a signal for switching On-Off, either through Brushes or Infra-Red Commutation Systems (Coming Soon Guys)...WILL SPIN AT INCREDIBLE RPM's AND POWER...while it Outputs a great deal of Energy as my Original Coil Set-Up with Two small ultra-fast diodes...Besides (if it is Asymmetric of course) it will also FEED through this new set here...the dual Commutation Systems Output.
Now, the fact of making a Stator based on Composites, light weight, and just Copper wire (for now, till we develop Carbon Fiber Coils) Carbon is way cheaper than Copper...
This fact, makes this machines "scalable" to Any desired size, according to demands/requirements that the consumer requires...

And Dear Lamare,I love"THE WITCH", and I am enjoying (not so much YET) to set this OBVIOUS CONSPIRACY, and NOT SAID only by ME, but from many, many others, like MR. TOM BEARDEN, who I feel great, great admiration for...as many more...IN THE WORST RIDICULE That this Crippled Science HAS EVER GONE THROUGH, TO KEEP US SLAVES OF OIL FUELS AND NUCLEAR FOR 130 YEARS...

Therefore let that "part" to me...remember my "Last Name" is...Politics...

I leave you a phrase from the brightest Scientist EVER, that was a Victim of this Scientific Mutilation, Suppression and Seizing, and Condemned to Die, in the worst poverty ever, and Ostracized like it should HAVE NEVER , EVER HAPPENED in the Story of Mankind...



"...It is not a dream, it is a simple feat of scientific electrical engineering, only expensive-blind, faint-hearted, doubting world!...Humanity is not yet sufficiently advanced to be willingly led by the discoverer's keen searching sense.But who knows?
Perhaps it is better in this present world of ours that a revolutionary idea or invention instead of being helped and patted, be hampered and ill-treated in its adolescence-by want of means, by selfish interest, pedantry, stupidity and ignorance; that will be attacked and stifled; that it pass through bitter trials and tribulations, through the strife of commercial existence. So do we get our light. So all that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed- only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle..."


Nikola Tesla (At the end of his dream for Wardenclyffe)




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