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Old 07-12-2012, 08:34 PM
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You had me at page one. I knew you could do it and words no not say how I feel about what you are doing. If anyone out there did have any doughts, now there are none. Thank You UFO sooooooooooooooo much.
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Heččyep Ufopolitics

that's a great and happy video

youp totally amazed

thank's for sharing

Already in the starting block for the replication, and waiting for some winding specs

you'r rocking man

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Asymmetry To Enlightenment...will Do Bert

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Wow, this is the best OU I have seen so far on this site
Could you shed some light on how to wind the coils and hook to the commutators?
(Sorry I am a novice with respect to winding motors)

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Hello Bbem,

Asymm to Enlightenment will give you the Basics and details, my friend...

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I will post every detail when I have a chance...

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I have looked at all the videos and seen what you did with your small RS motor. I have also rebuilt several motors according to Dr. Lindemann's instructions for how to best wire a motor, so I have some experience with this. Two years ago I built something very similar to what you have shown us here, with the help of a friend, and from what I see, what you have appears to be a simple "Buck Boost" circuit.
Buck–boost converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If it is NOT, the proof would be to compare input voltage AND AMPERAGE with output voltage AND AMPERAGE. If you are getting higher voltage while maintaining the same amperage, you have something. As yet, I have seen nothing in the videos that indicates what the amperage is going into your small motor setup nor what it is producing. I would love to see some video of THAT!! I hope you can prove me WRONG.

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I have looked at all the videos and seen what you did with your small RS motor. I have also rebuilt several motors according to Dr. Lindemann's instructions for how to best wire a motor, so I have some experience with this. Two years ago I built something very similar to what you have shown us here, with the help of a friend, and from what I see, what you have appears to be a simple "Buck Boost" circuit.
Buck–boost converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If it is NOT, the proof would be to compare input voltage AND AMPERAGE with output voltage AND AMPERAGE. If you are getting higher voltage while maintaining the same amperage, you have something. As yet, I have seen nothing in the videos that indicates what the amperage is going into your small motor setup nor what it is producing. I would love to see some video of THAT!! I hope you can prove me WRONG.

Turion

Hello Turion,

First let me say...that I admire your perseverance on your thread of the three batteries, I feel great respect for You.

I have posted here for the Members to either "refresh" or learn about...not the Booster Converter, that is just a "Half Way" deal, on How I started my first Thread...BUT, about the SEPIC Converter, which have Dual Inductors at work...However, My Motors-Generators contain those inductors as "Multiple Coils" that are being replaced-disconnected-refreshed, every nano second, plus performing a very strong Mechanical Energy Output...Now this SEPIC Inductors are traveling within the Stators Magnetic Fields, therefore they are "reconditioning and reinforcing their energy" by a continuous Electromagnetic Field Bath...

Turion, by keep pending upon the "Amperage Values" and disregarding the absolutely "Unreal" Torque that this Machines Render...is playing the "Game" We all have been exposed to, for over 130 Years, my Friend...This Machines, the SEPIC, the Booster, the Buck converters...and essentially ANY COIL of enameled wire...all work with Radiant Energy...You can't "measure" the Amperage of the wind force...of the Oceans Flow Strength ...of the charged Clouds in our Skies...of the energized atoms that surround her Beauty (RE)...by a simple standard parameter invented by Mankind...remember that even the "Time" has been invented...


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Old 07-12-2012, 09:58 PM
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Hello Turion,

First let me say...that I admire your perseverance on your thread of the three batteries, I feel great respect for You.

I have posted here for the Members to either "refresh" or learn about...not the Booster Converter, that is just a "Half Way" deal, on How I started my first Thread...BUT, about the SEPIC Converter, which have Dual Inductors at work...However, My Motors-Generators contain those inductors as "Multiple Coils" that are being replaced-disconnected-refreshed, every nano second, plus performing a very strong Mechanical Energy Output...Now this SEPIC Inductors are traveling within the Stators Magnetic Fields, therefore they are "reconditioning and reinforcing their energy" by a continuous Electromagnetic Field Bath...

Turion, by keep pending upon the "Amperage Values" and disregarding the absolutely "Unreal" Torque that this Machines Render...is playing the "Game" We all have been exposed to, for over 130 Years, my Friend...This Machines, the SEPIC, the Booster, the Buck converters...and essentially ANY COIL of enameled wire...all work with Radiant Energy...You can't "measure" the Amperage of the wind force...of the Oceans Flow Strength ...of the charged Clouds in our Skies...of the energized atoms that surround her Beauty (RE)...by a simple standard parameter invented by Mankind...remember that even the "Time" has been invented...


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Then Dyno the motor and show current in your readings.... Torque is nominal compared to amp draw.

I did this very same thing 8 years ago with a 42 hp electric motor. We ran a Ford Ranger 2wd. The reason I did not pursue it was the simple fact that the motor use 25% more current and the batts would not hold up. In long run with the weight ratio for the charge and discharge batteries I only had about 5 percent gain in distance from conventional at 2 times the cost.

You have to prove this stuff, not just say "130 years of suppression". And we are not suppressing you because we ask to see the proof. You do that to yourself by not giving it.

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Winding Directions

Hi UFO

Can you clarify the winding direction of the coils? A few of us are ready to wind up. Are the pairs of coils say wound both clockwise when viewed side-on, or is one clockwise and the other anticlockwise?

I presume the pattern shown in the picture is repeated by moving forward one slot, etc.

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:13 PM
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Then Dyno the motor and show current in your readings.... Torque is nominal compared to amp draw.

I did this very same thing 8 years ago with a 42 hp electric motor. We ran a Ford Ranger 2wd. The reason I did not pursue it was the simple fact that the motor use 25% more current and the batts would not hold up. In long run with the weight ratio for the charge and discharge batteries I only had about 5 percent gain in distance from conventional at 2 times the cost.

You have to prove this stuff, not just say "130 years of suppression". And we are not suppressing you because we ask to see the proof. You do that to yourself by not giving it.

Matt

Hello Matt,

How are You? ...long time that I did not see you around my threads!
Well, I know you were very busy making great progress in the Three Battery Systems, by the way, great work from You and Dave (Turion)!

I am really sorry to read that you have done the same thing...such a long time ago...and abandon it...by the way, did you see the BOSCH Video?
If you did not, please do...because I am using the smallest battery available for little R/C Toys...to run a 750 Watts Motor...

Below I leave the link...think will save you some time to search...

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:18 PM
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From what I can tell here... UFO has always been in the spirit of discovering and harnessing this new force. He has generously shared about his experimental path with pictures, videos and technical details.

He is now once again, SHARING what he has learned and offering enough 'how to' technical detail to prove that there is merit on this path. If all you have is doubt to offer to this thread, why post on it at all?

Why not let the other researchers with pure intent replicate, build foundational evidence for what promise this may or may not have.

Thank you UFO, and please don't let others slow you from your pursuit.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:21 PM
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Hi all

going on the replication on the small toy motor

so far i could get a really good mechanical and almost free magnetic alignement

The red wire is simply placed to space the brushes from the collector to ease the maneuvre of testing


tomorrow i will precisely aline the collector and brushes on both side

so waiting for the winding instructions and than

ready to go and test

youp

good luck at all

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:28 PM
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Woopy that looks great!!

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going on the replication on the small toy motor

so far i could get a really good mechanical and almost free magnetic alignement

The red wire is simply placed to space the brushes from the collector to ease the maneuvre of testing


tomorrow i will precisely aline the collector and brushes on both side

so waiting for the winding instructions and than

ready to go and test

youp

good luck at all

Laurent

Hello Woopy,


I will post tonite the CAD procedure to wire...

By the way your little Motor looks greater than mine!!...great soldering and very nice work!!

You will do it tonight friend


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Old 07-12-2012, 10:31 PM
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For me, seeing is always believing. You have shared a bunch, and now I need to build the little test motor and see for myself. Since I have several of these it won't be hard at all. I will run a dyno on the motor before and after conversion and see what kind of output I get, how many amps it pulls to turn a fixed load before conversion and how many amps after conversion, and then how many volts and amps input and output. Then I will have my answer.

Volts times amps = watts, which is a measure of power and the WORK something can do. 12 volts in at so many amps is how much the little motor draws to do its work. It runs, and it outputs volts times amps. With no load, if the volts times amps output is the same as the input, we can loop the system, but it doesn't do us any good because there is no load on the motor, so it can do nothing for us except spin. If either of those outputs is greater while the other remains equal, we have something. Or if the output remains the same as the input when you put the motor under load. So far I haven't seen anything that shows me enough information to know if there is really something to this. I sincerely WANT there to be, but l have spent a lot of years and time and money on this stuff, and I look for the things that show me something can do actual work.

I appreciate your quick response, and I will get to work shortly.

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:36 PM
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Yes Ufo

thank's for answering so fast

tomorrow (already today for me ) will surely be a great experimenting day

thank's for sharing

and of course good luck at all

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@Turion:

I hope you report your dyno results as well as in/out amperage readings here. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

UFO's work does appear very promising.

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I hadn't seen that video.

I'll put one together. I have 2 motors of a fair size.
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From what I can tell here... UFO has always been in the spirit of discovering and harnessing this new force. He has generously shared about his experimental path with pictures, videos and technical details.

He is now once again, SHARING what he has learned and offering enough 'how to' technical detail to prove that there is merit on this path. If all you have is doubt to offer to this thread, why post on it at all?

Why not let the other researchers with pure intent replicate, build foundational evidence for what promise this may or may not have.

Thank you UFO, and please don't let others slow you from your pursuit.
Doubt is not criticism. Asking for good measured proof is not unreasonable.

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I sincerely want to say THANK YOU, you have a strong spirit and a very big heart for sharing this to the whole world. I believe you, as I've believe in Tesla's work. Thank you,
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Thank you UFO

Hi UFO, I've been lurking on here for a while and want to thank you for all your hard work and your disclosure of information.

I got the oscillator working and its running great .

Now I'm working on the symmetric to asymmetric motor conversion. Just want to let everyone know getting the commutator off of the shaft is a pain! (As john_g said, it is a witch!) Do not apply pressure to the mica base or elements just as UFO said. I learned the hard-way(As usual). Luckily I have more motors, I also may be able to salvage the commutator since I didn't destroy the contact elements.


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I found the commutator to come off vary easy but I did it a different way. After stripping the rotor down, I scraped the paint off of the other end of the shaft and placed the rotor in a vice litely with the commutator end up. Then tap, tap, tap with a hammer on the end of the shaft and it slid down even with the commutator. I then took a welding rod piece three inches long and pushed the shaft out alltogeather with one more tap. Vary easy. It took two minutes.
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Ok I got this thing build. I need glue for the magnets and winding pattern, just a bit of welding for permanent sake. I know you said your bosch motor was 20 poled. Mine are 16 (With 4 magnetic poles and 4 brush's per end) and I am curious as to how to come up with the V pattern in the winding's. And how many windings to use.

Any pointers will help get the job done early tomorrow.

If anybody else is interested and want's good motor to get started with, I used 2 razor scooter motors 300 watt. The commutator comes off with a small black O'ring clip. A slight tap to the shaft releases it.
You have to mill the shaft down a bit in the front of the motor and mill the second back plate that will go on the front. But its all pretty easy if you got a little sense. Happy to fill in the blanks if you need it.

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Thanks for the tip prochiro. I'll give that a try.
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Hi folks, this may be a little hard to convert, though it is all i have to experiment with at the moment.
@ufo, will this 3 pole motor show the same effects or no, thanks.


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Five Pole Radio Shack Windings

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Hello to all,

I am preparing a nice animation to be seen all the windings-connections in 3D...Not to be right away...but coming...

Now this image will give you the understanding. However, when showing this plan view, I reduced the lower commutator and there are not shown the lower brushes ..it will create confusion, but you all know they are "crossed in diagonal" on this motor, as my video Part 1 explains it. So Output Negative would be the "G", and the one shown on left "M" would be Positive Motor (Input).

You just wind Pairs of Coils as You just do a Coil, continuously, except going through the angle of the Armature Core, just like a "Bent Coil" in V Shape.
Now please, this tends to confusion, because once you start winding, you could loose where was your starting point...so, please mark it with a tape on shaft or permanent marker, the side chosen to start all coils.

Do one Pair at a time, continuous winding and connect them to commutator elements as you go...

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@ufo, will this 3 pole motor show the same effects or no, thanks.


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The three poles are great, this motor is pretty little...but it do could work...
The three poles are the easiest ones to make...Just wind All Coils same direction, and attach same way as the rest...upper lower 1, 2,3...all independently from the others...but it has to be set differently what I call the "Firing Angle" where brush contacts element versus positioning of Coil related to stators...I will post a pic of the 3 Pole tomorrow

The only thing am seeing, is that cutting it will be very close to magnets and pretty hard...and it is a ring stator, they brake easy, so be careful...


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7 pole motors

Don't want you overworked now UFO, but at my local scrap-yard heaven there are lots of 24 Volt DC 7-pole motors.
Would you please give me advice how to rewind/recoil them


ps. They are all equiped with two half-circle magnets in the casing.
pps. You surely have found a lot of new friends

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Can you clarify the winding direction of the coils? A few of us are ready to wind up. Are the pairs of coils say wound both clockwise when viewed side-on, or is one clockwise and the other anticlockwise?

I presume the pattern shown in the picture is repeated by moving forward one slot, etc.

http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/...s/P6290503.jpg
If I understand this correctly, the difference between this kind of winding and a traditional winding is that this is in essence a unidirectionally steered motor, in that sense that the coils are always excited in the same direction. In other words: there is no forced reversal of polarity.

What this does, is first of all establishes a closed magnetic loop trough the poles, which normally maintains itself nicely just as with a PM, as can be seen from Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder:

Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder

The magnetic force maintained in this loop is a dynamic force, much like a flowing waterfall, which in the static case exerts a force that is balanced across the poles, symmetric, and therefore no resulting force.

However, with a gentle unidirectional tickling of the coil, you can bend this already existing force, such that you create an imbalance in the system, and you get some asymmetry, which gives you a torque.

The problem with the normal way of winding is that because of the disruptive switching characteristics of the commutator, you use a lot of brute force to enforce sudden changes of the magnetic field trough your poles, which is expensive in terms of energy. With the overlapping way of winding AND uni-directional steering, you don't get these brute sudden changes in the magnetic field, but you allow it to change gradually.

In other words: with UFO's way of winding YOU only have to provide the energy needed to "bend" or "redirect" the already existing magnetic field, while with the normal way of winding YOU have to spend a lot of energy to kick the magnetic field back and forth between two extreme "redirection" positions for no reason at all.


Very, very interesting design.
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Woaooowww !!

Ufopolitics you are THE MAN,

my replication of your motor works and that on a friday 13th.

It is incredible that by connecting the plus and minus totally assymetrically the motor spins and very well.
Sometimes i have to give a small quick to get the spinning, but it works great, am totally amazed

OK i have to calm down now and go on the experiment and testing.

Just for the other replicators. I begin the winding by fixing the wire (for me 0.2 mm copper wire ) at the small hooking point on the collector. Than i begin to wind the first 25 turns as per Ufo shematic, than with the same wire (no cutting) i began the next 25 turns in V shape, than i fix the end on the opposite hooking point on the collector. So the same wire winds the 2 X 25 turns. And that 5 times. My 2X 25 turns (or 50 turns ) gives about 1.6 ohm dc resistance.

let's go men we have winner here

Anyway great BRAVO and many thank's for sharing

good luck at all

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Hi all

here the first of very probably long list of video

good luck at all

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here the first of very probably long list of video

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Great work woopi, and good video too. Do you have any readings of volts/amps?
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Thanks for sharing the information Ufo. Also thanks to Woopy for a very quick replication. Much appreciated.

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Well done Woppy. I have had mine quickly running both ways, goes very fast. Had a slight snag, I used some shellac to seal up the windings, which I thought had dried - It hadn't and spun it out through the motor like a centrifuge! Be dry tomorrow.

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