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Old 06-30-2013, 08:10 PM
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"240 watts was needed to power 400 watt load is not an admirable achievement?"
Yes, it would, but it's not; that's why i dropped a line to Farmhand, not many have guts to reveal a truth.

(Cockatoos, you said , you forgotten something amigo, it was me first who pointed you the false approach, and you prove it again and again).

"I'm very very sorry but you are in grave error on many of those points above"
Yes, he is, misleading of Tesla's concept.

"please bring it the the simplest possible level so we can comprehend the total importance"
It was done from the very beginning; with the SAME motor, wire gauge and length, the original motor working much better. Of course modified one is working too (it still has wire with juice in the magnetic field), but elegance and simplicity of original winding keeps it out of competition so far.
But who cares, let them play as they want
They're up to something different now, I even don't want to figure out what it is, since the foundation is rotten.

And leave me alone, Cockroach , this's an open source, i was not even talking to you.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:17 PM
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erfinder, ufopolitics

It's a communication barrier. Maybe that make you feel better if I point that I don't understand both of you So maybe you are talking about the same without understanding each other ? KISS (keep it stupid simple) , please bring it the the simplest possible level so we can comprehend the total importance.
Coils in existing motors aren't connected correctly...that's it...It's not Lenz or CEMF opposing you its ignorance!

I have no idea where this thread is going, it is my opinion that none of what has been presented has anything to do with Tesla. Tesla patented one series of machine which I have interpreted as being asymmetrical.....this particular config was in your face, 100% Orthogonal! It is my belief that necessity drove those skilled in the art to find a simpler, more cost effective method for winding machines which was equal in performance to the prior art....the method was found....and the winding of toroids was superseded.

These are common sense conclusions that I came to, and are subject to the approval to a "competent" authority only.... the waveform generated by the machine I built in my attempt at replicating Tesla's 100% Orthogonal motor is in my opinion.....asymmetrical.

Hope that was simple enough...now its up to you to find out how to properly connect coils, and configure the magnets in your devices. You have a few options...
  • you can choose to do it like Tesla did it.....(Highly Recommended)
  • you can roll the dice and do it your way....
  • or you can continue down the path you are on and continue to take instruction from UFO, and continue doing what hes instructing you to do...

When its all said and done, only one of these options will deliver the goods....

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Naysayer thread research assistance

Hey guys maybe due to the extensive size of this thread and the fact That it is made in conjunction with the my motors thread, your research may hav missed the big pic. I just helped a member on the other thread by giving him the point to several key posts and vids in the MyMotors post 2031 P67. Enjoy.

Edited URL link, was in error 9/12/13
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:37 AM
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Hello Erfinder, Prompt, and to a lesser extent, Farmhand,---- Jeessuss,---- UFO, takes some time out and you guy's move in, What are you?

@ Erfinder, i have watched your videos, and i think you have a very valid point or two, but we here would like you to show us how to rewind, or reconnect, the imperial motor to your specifications, so it will use less input under load, and speed up at the same time!!.

This thread is about practical replication and building, not just theory.

A simple diagram, or sketch will do, no one here is going to send you an Imperial to modify!

My interest is purely in Vehicle Traction motors, and they require heavy torque, right from idle, like these motors show.

@ Prompt, 240watts to get 400Watts, Hmmm!!, i think you will find later on with testing, that what UFO has said, regarding the linear nature, of the progression, as you load this design, will speak quite clearly for itself.

@ Farmhand, i have followed your posts for the last two years, including the Don Smith thread,( mainly because you are a fellow Aussie) and you have made some very nice Tesla transformers, and achieved some nice results, Please, just because you haven't found over unity in anything you have achieved, Don't let it cloud your judgement, with Negativity, you are a valuable asset, to all here.

You have said, I will give it, "Three Years", so sit back and watch, and if you can add something that you think may be positive, and help all us,
" struggling" on this thread, please chime in.


I mean no Malice, or bad intentions in what i have posted, Let's all work together, towards a common goal.

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Old 07-01-2013, 09:35 AM
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@ Erfinder, i have watched your videos, and i think you have a very valid point or two, but we here would like you to show us how to rewind, or reconnect, the imperial motor to your specifications, so it will use less input under load, and speed up at the same time!!.
I can't show you how to reconfigure an imperial if I don't have one. Unfortunately, you would need to rewind the motors and not just reconnect them....

Speed up under load is a easy, several individuals one in particular (Tinman) demonstrated how this was done using a motor similar to the ones you are rewinding, but he got the boot...tunnel vision...I really don't get it... I demonstrate acceleration under load using low inductance high low resistance coils operating at low frequency.....no interest.....LOL....

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This thread is about practical replication and building, not just theory.
You watched my videos...I am not just theory...I build...I build proof of principle first, cost effective approach...then I modify existing...I don't dive head first into modifying the existing....why....it might surprise you but the system as is might just need a small push in the right direction...but as you have torn it apart completely...you'll never know for sure...

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A simple diagram, or sketch will do, no one here is going to send you an Imperial to modify!
No...a simple diagram or sketch will not do....and I know no one is going to send me an Imperial...

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My interest is purely in Vehicle Traction motors, and they require heavy torque, right from idle, like these motors show.
OK....just saying you have options....What I am curious about is where you are going to get all that power you will need.....I'm sure you all have that figured out, I'm looking forward to seeing that...

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Particulars.

Hello Erfinder, Tinman, has yet to post a diagram, or Schematic on his experimenting, despite other members of the forum he post's on, asking him to do so, until then, i will just keep trying to replicate, a Wacky, Polyphase, Converter.

I can't understand, Erfinder, why you can't, sketch, draw, or anything, of what you speak, That dosen't make sense, for someone of your Caliber and electronic experience.

Erfinder, i am glad you are looking forward to everybody's progress here, please feel free to add anything you think can help our progress.

OK, if you really, absolutly, need an Imperial motor to show us your way of doing it, send me your adress, and particulars, by PM and i will see what i can do.

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Old 07-01-2013, 10:15 AM
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Hello Erfinder, Tinman, has yet to post a diagram, or Schematic on his experimenting, despite other members of the forum he post's on, asking him to do so, until then, i will just keep trying to replicate, a Wacky, Polyphase, Converter.

I can't understand, Erfinder, why you can't, sketch, draw, or anything, of what you speak, That dosen't make sense, for someone of your Caliber and electronic experience.

Erfinder, i am glad you are looking forward to everybody's progress here, please feel free to add anything you think can help our progress.

OK, if you really, absolutly, need an Imperial motor to show us your way of doing it, send me your adress, and particulars, by PM and i will see what i can do.

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Check your pm please sir...
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Check your pm please sir...
Thanks Erfinder, i don't have Skype, i am not very Computer savy, but surely you can share what you have discovered, here, i mean what's the big deal? Are you worried, that what you have found with rotating devises, is something that shouldn't be shared with all?.

Let's break down the barriers here and now!!

PS. Please do not call me Sir.

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Thanks Erfinder, i don't have Skype, i am not very Computer savy, but surely you can share what you have discovered, here, i mean what's the big deal? Are you worried, that what you have found with rotating devises, is something that shouldn't be shared with all?.

Let's break down the barriers here and now!!


Warm Regards, Cornboy.
Skype....that is how it has to work...the information I want to pass on to you if you are interested...didn't originate with me....there is a very short video clip you should see......if you are interested....the offline communication channel is open......its not really proper for me to rebroadcast something that's already out in the open...the problem is the information I am referring to isn't free...we can discuss it offline, I won't post the stuff on an open forum...what you do with what I share with you is your business. Hope you understand..

EFTV23...in that video we are instructed how to properly connect coils.....

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Old 07-01-2013, 11:35 AM
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Skype....that is how it has to work...the information I want to pass on to you if you are interested...didn't originate with me....there is a very short video clip you should see......if you are interested....the offline communication channel is open......its not really proper for me to rebroadcast something that's already out in the open...the problem is the information I am referring to isn't free...we can discuss it offline, I won't post the stuff on an open forum...what you do with what I share with you is your business. Hope you understand..

EFTV23...in that video we are instructed how to properly connect coils.....

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Sorry Mr. erfinder, i am into Freebies, if it can't be discussed on open channels, i am not interested, secrecy, will bite you in the symetrical ass.

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Nice to see you guys again, we missed you
We heard what you guys have to say, thank you for your worries
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Hey everyone

Still waiting for my parts, should be in today I hope. I was thinking, if I can't get these drivers to pulse motor, I may get three more hg switches, may try and go that route.

Also, since I was bored, I finally had a chance to strip down that big welding machine, nice big 4 pole.

Hey Cornboy, wait till you see the wound stators I'm gonna pulse,





May try to "re-invent the wheel" with this one. If I leave the interpoles, i could make it an 8 pole.
I am going to start making a rotor, where caps can be hidden inside. I've been, and still am,looking for another commutator.

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Old 07-02-2013, 02:35 PM
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The one on mine is 7 " diameter, but I still made him an offer.
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Arduino pwm duty cycles

Arduino PWM signals

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Hi,

I am not new to this thread but have not thought that I had anything to contribute being a fellow student of this technology. But I have a suggestion for Dana and Hitby3K and Sampojo. The pwm pins can have a duty cycle of 0 to 255. This is utilized by the fade program to fade the intensity of the leds. In order to use this effectively for motor control try turning off the leds after the wait period. This would enable you to use the full range of the duty cycle to increase the voltage at the base of the mosfets which will allow more voltage to go to the motor coils. This would increase the torque going to the motor when the gen head gets a larger load and slows the rpms down. If combined with a tachometer you could get automatic speed control by using a select case coupled with several loops that would increase the duty cycle from its current point by say 5 point increments and if the rpms drop below 3400 say 10 point increments . You would be able to determine the appropriate wait period and duty cycle for the load.
Here is a simple program that demonstrates the idea.

/*
Fade 4 LED

This example shows how to fade an 4 LEDs on pins 6, 9, 10 and 11
using the analogWrite() function.

This example code is in the public domain.
*/
int blueLED = 11;
int greenLED=10;
int redLED = 9;
int yellowLED = 6; // the pin that the LED is attached to
int brightness = 0; // how bright the LED is
int fadeAmount = 5; // how many points to fade the LED by
int wait = 100;
// the setup routine runs once when you press reset:
void setup() {
// declare pins 6, 9, 10, 11 to be an output:
pinMode(blueLED, OUTPUT);
pinMode(greenLED, OUTPUT);
pinMode(yellowLED, OUTPUT);
pinMode(redLED, OUTPUT);
}

// the loop routine runs over and over again forever:
void loop() {
// set the brightness of pin 11:
analogWrite(blueLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(blueLED, 0);
// set the brightness of pin 10:
analogWrite(greenLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(greenLED, 0);;
// set the brightness of pin 9:
analogWrite(redLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(redLED, 0);
// set the brightness of pin 6:
analogWrite(yellowLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(yellowLED, 0);

// change the brightness for next time through the loop:
brightness = brightness + fadeAmount;

// reverse the direction of the fading at the ends of the fade:
if (brightness == 0 || brightness == 255) {
fadeAmount = -fadeAmount ;
}
}

This program increases the intensity of the leds every 1/10 of a second or 100 milliseconds. it clearly demonstrates the on and off of each pin. If you want to see a more dramatic fade effect more quickly then reduce the wait period to 10 milliseconds.

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Old 07-02-2013, 10:07 PM
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WOW, Machine, that's a big one you got there, are you talking a generator or a motor?

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Hey Cornboy,

I am really thinking about that generator, actually can't stop thinking about it, and using the imperial to run it. It's just so big and heavy, I would have to flip it upright, I think, spin it from above, and secure rotor from bottom, maybe UFO will have some ideas .

Maybe I'll make a rotor to spin and a Figuera generator core that I can switch.
This time I am going to think about how to match coils, stators and rotors, 1:1/4, 1:1, etc. Any ideas? What are you going to do with Mags?

I think I may have to mod the other imperial housing, that the asymmetrical generator is in, remove permanent magnets, and install 4 wound stators. Cornboy, I am so envious of your motor, and you're doing such a wicked job building it. I think, I would like to compare the two imperials, with different stators, to see just how big a difference there is. But just thinking about it, having all the motor coils and generator coils working together, communicating, ya just know its gonna be insane.

Edit maybe I could use the imperial magnets for the inner stationary field, for the generator.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:54 AM
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Welcome to the posting part of this adventure.
It is vary good that your getting to know the Arduino world. It seems that you are grasping some of the complexity but not all. Let me explain. The program you have created is in fact good for what it does but can not control the Imperial with 60 volts and possibly 40 amps at times. Further, by dimming the arduino, Monster circuit will not operate correctly and too much (Delay) at every turn. What I am doing with my setup is this. I am using two Arduino's that have at least two internal serial ports, (Serial and Serial1), On the slave Arduino, we have the pulsing code that controls the Monster circuit as I have done in the past. I need to control the Imperial RPM automatically during loading and unloading.This will not work with even one interrupt in the Arduino that does the actual pulsing so we will not have one. How this is done is using the second Serial port in the slave to only receive two bites which represent the desired duty cycle to our motor. This controls the volts and amps time on to control speed.
Now, as that is all that is done in the slave. The Master Arduino however has much more work to do.It can do much more as it is not in the timed pulsing event as the slave is. The master can read RPM as well as many other things from the Imperial and its related events. The most important thing that the Master does is read the RPM and adjust the duty cycle in a similar way as you have in your program. In the Master is code that is called PID. It will adjust the duty cycle as needed to stay at 3600 RPM no matter what happens. It is custom controlled to be mild or aggressive as you can adjust everything on the fly thru an executable program on any computer. It looks like a control panel in a jet. Every bit of information is available in true time on the panel as well as several other controls which operate the Imperial. Both this control program and the Master Arduino can take there sweet time doing what ever you tell them to do and one other important thing, simply shoot a new duty cycle number to the Slave only when it is necessary to change it. The Slave is free of everything but doing what it has done in past programs. There is much programming but yet much more testing other methods of doing the code and getting the best and most professional system I can. I have spent a hundred hours or more just checking out alternate methods. It would be nice here to have another person to help with many things in this control system.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:31 AM
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Thanks DANA.

Thanks DANA, for all your hard work, on the electronic side of things here.

I am sure i speak for all, when i say that it is very much appreciated.

Just havn't worked out how to get truckloads of Garlic to anyone Yet.

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Old 07-03-2013, 01:49 AM
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Hey Cornboy,

I am really thinking about that generator, actually can't stop thinking about it, and using the imperial to run it. It's just so big and heavy, I would have to flip it upright, I think, spin it from above, and secure rotor from bottom, maybe UFO will have some ideas .

Maybe I'll make a rotor to spin and a Figuera generator core that I can switch.
This time I am going to think about how to match coils, stators and rotors, 1:1/4, 1:1, etc. Any ideas? What are you going to do with Mags?

I think I may have to mod the other imperial housing, that the asymmetrical generator is in, remove permanent magnets, and install 4 wound stators. Cornboy, I am so envious of your motor, and you're doing such a wicked job building it. I think, I would like to compare the two imperials, with different stators, to see just how big a difference there is. But just thinking about it, having all the motor coils and generator coils working together, communicating, ya just know its gonna be insane.

Edit maybe I could use the imperial magnets for the inner stationary field, for the generator.
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Hello Machine, The Figuera generator, with UFO's design input, could be a winner, built from scratch, to fit inside a motor housing, direct connected to motor shaft, and same pulses from motor stators, or back pulses, exciting the generator.

I will build a small 4" model to test when i have the MAG3 finished, but technically, i am sure that an imperial could drive a large version of this low drag design. The biggest challenge is the air core rotor has to be non metallic.

I am almost finished my urgent farm work and will soon be spending 6 hrs a day on MAG3, till spinning.

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Old 07-03-2013, 01:58 AM
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Hey Cornboy,

I am really thinking about that generator, actually can't stop thinking about it, and using the imperial to run it. It's just so big and heavy, I would have to flip it upright, I think, spin it from above, and secure rotor from bottom, maybe UFO will have some ideas .

Maybe I'll make a rotor to spin and a Figuera generator core that I can switch.
This time I am going to think about how to match coils, stators and rotors, 1:1/4, 1:1, etc. Any ideas? What are you going to do with Mags?

I think I may have to mod the other imperial housing, that the asymmetrical generator is in, remove permanent magnets, and install 4 wound stators. Cornboy, I am so envious of your motor, and you're doing such a wicked job building it. I think, I would like to compare the two imperials, with different stators, to see just how big a difference there is. But just thinking about it, having all the motor coils and generator coils working together, communicating, ya just know its gonna be insane.

Edit maybe I could use the imperial magnets for the inner stationary field, for the generator.
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Hello Machine, Hello to All,

Machine that is a "Massive" Steel "conglomerate" my friend!...I notice there are "solid steel" Poles...not laminated...or am I wrong?...maybe picture does not shows because of rust...

I am guessing you will send it to be Sandblasted with a heavy pressure machine...

Related to running it with an Imperial...remember there must be a certain weight balance or similar mass weight, between both machines rotors...

Now, what I would do...is what you wrote in the second paragraph above...A Figuera's Generator!...

Any "Divisible by Four" BIG Motor Armature (like a Big Twelve, Twenty Four or even a Twenty Poles) could be fitted within those Monster Stators...Leaving enough air gap...as to make a "Steel-Less" Generating Fields Rotor / Figuera's Style...to spin between them...

BUT...WTF!?....YOUR IMPERIAL ROTOR is a 28 Poles!!...and if you divide by four would have Seven Nice and tight Four Poles...geez!, I have been away for too long...

Please fit inside your Imperial Asymmetrical Generator Armature and take a picture (I do not want you to take apart your newly wound Beast!...) ...and let's see how it goes...I have no idea of that gap.

Then...Your Imperial would be able to spin it "Laughing Out Loud"...


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Hello Machine, The Figuera generator, with UFO's design input, could be a winner, built from scratch, to fit inside a motor housing, direct connected to motor shaft, and same pulses from motor stators, or back pulses, exciting the generator.

I will build a small 4" model to test when i have the MAG3 finished, but technically, i am sure that an imperial could drive a large version of this low drag design. The biggest challenge is the air core rotor has to be non metallic.

I am almost finished my urgent farm work and will soon be spending 6 hrs a day on MAG3, till spinning.

Warm Regards Cornboy.

Hello Cornboy!

Those are grrreat news!...I have even dreamed about seen the MAG3 Spinning...!!...

Your guess was identical to my thoughts about Machine's Huge Generator...amazing!

I am VERY sure Machine would be able to "mold" or lathe or whatever... a very nice "Metal-Less" Rotor from scratch...remember NOT Aluminum either!

I have been thinking about carbon fiber...will kill Radiant Spikes...but not hot...not sure though...

I have been thinking about Figuera's Generator (the Dynamic One)...and applying the Pulsing with Monster's and Dana's arrangement and codes...BUT...

If We do that...and in order to GAIN a "simulated or fooling" a super hyper magnetic field changes...will have to do the following:

According to the "Physical Shaft Rotation", say would be CW...on Generator...then, the Gates Sequences would have to be "Opposite" to CW...or CCW.


Got It??


If we do BOTH AT SAME ROTATION SENSE...then "The "Relative Speed" between Rotor and Pulses would be VERY SLOW...to the point of getting even...simulating a "Stand Still" even going at 10,000 RPM's...


However, IF We do opposite rotations...the "Relative Speed" between spinning rotor and pulsing sequences will Amplify...

Correct me Guys, if I am wrong...I could always be...even not being Human...


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@ Garry
Welcome to the posting part of this adventure.
It is vary good that your getting to know the Arduino world. It seems that you are grasping some of the complexity but not all. Let me explain. The program you have created is in fact good for what it does but can not control the Imperial with 60 volts and possibly 40 amps at times. Further, by dimming the arduino, Monster circuit will not operate correctly and too much (Delay) at every turn. What I am doing with my setup is this. I am using two Arduino's that have at least two internal serial ports, (Serial and Serial1), On the slave Arduino, we have the pulsing code that controls the Monster circuit as I have done in the past. I need to control the Imperial RPM automatically during loading and unloading.This will not work with even one interrupt in the Arduino that does the actual pulsing so we will not have one. How this is done is using the second Serial port in the slave to only receive two bites which represent the desired duty cycle to our motor. This controls the volts and amps time on to control speed.
Now, as that is all that is done in the slave. The Master Arduino however has much more work to do.It can do much more as it is not in the timed pulsing event as the slave is. The master can read RPM as well as many other things from the Imperial and its related events. The most important thing that the Master does is read the RPM and adjust the duty cycle in a similar way as you have in your program. In the Master is code that is called PID. It will adjust the duty cycle as needed to stay at 3600 RPM no matter what happens. It is custom controlled to be mild or aggressive as you can adjust everything on the fly thru an executable program on any computer. It looks like a control panel in a jet. Every bit of information is available in true time on the panel as well as several other controls which operate the Imperial. Both this control program and the Master Arduino can take there sweet time doing what ever you tell them to do and one other important thing, simply shoot a new duty cycle number to the Slave only when it is necessary to change it. The Slave is free of everything but doing what it has done in past programs. There is much programming but yet much more testing other methods of doing the code and getting the best and most professional system I can. I have spent a hundred hours or more just checking out alternate methods. It would be nice here to have another person to help with many things in this control system.
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Dana...

Every time I read your advances into this set up...Your tests, and your valuable time into this project...I feel SO, VERY HAPPY!

And the more I am glad...that you stayed with Us all, in those moments where you were having trouble on this Forum...

For some reason (completely unknown) I had a "Gut or GOD Feeling"...(A Feeling from deep inside of Me) that I would need you here with all of Us...

At the same token...and I am pretty sure You know that...ALL YOUR WORK HERE...would be required...not only to move Imperial Versus Mecc Alte or any other Symmetric and ridiculous Generator Head...

I will need your work to FLY our future prototypes, from the R/C Models to the Real Size to carry Passengers...with an exactitude so precise...that there would not be ANY chances of failure at all.

And, of course...applicable also to Terrestrial EV Propulsion...

And future "Fusion" of Figuera's Generators...coupled with our Asymmetrical Machines...

Clear and very stable Network Communication Protocols you are creating here...my dear friend...between Machine and Human Interface, Automation, Logic Controls, etc,etc...through advanced Cybernetics...

Robotics...


I could keep on going...and going,... on so many more "future applications" my friend...that I could make this post "endless"...


Very Warm Regards Dear Friend!


And many, many thanks for your GREAT Dedication!!

I am sure..."one day"...it "will pay back" to You...in so huge amounts of Happiness...that there would NOT BE, ANY "Legal Tender Notes" that could buy them out...





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Hello Cornboy!

Those are grrreat news!...I have even dreamed about seen the MAG3 Spinning...!!...

Your guess was identical to my thoughts about Machine's Huge Generator...amazing!

I am VERY sure Machine would be able to "mold" or lathe or whatever... a very nice "Metal-Less" Rotor from scratch...remember NOT Aluminum either!

I have been thinking about carbon fiber...will kill Radiant Spikes...but not hot...not sure though...

I have been thinking about Figuera's Generator (the Dynamic One)...and applying the Pulsing with Monster's and Dana's arrangement and codes...BUT...

If We do that...and in order to GAIN a "simulated or fooling" a super hyper magnetic field changes...will have to do the following:

According to the "Physical Shaft Rotation", say would be CW...on Generator...then, the Gates Sequences would have to be "Opposite" to CW...or CCW.


Got It??


If we do BOTH AT SAME ROTATION SENSE...then "The "Relative Speed" between Rotor and Pulses would be VERY SLOW...to the point of getting even...simulating a "Stand Still" even going at 10,000 RPM's...


However, IF We do opposite rotations...the "Relative Speed" between spinning rotor and pulsing sequences will Amplify...

Correct me Guys, if I am wrong...I could always be...even not being Human...


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Ufopolitics


Yes, i have dreamed about it too UFO, and also the next build with larger DIA rotor, like pancake, about 450mm dia and 200mm long, still 36 pole, with heaps of room on outer rotor circumference, to wind coils that are all close to stator copper wire, and stators with very thin outer faces, also heaps of room in rotor to imbed high voltage capicitors, into central rotor core.

And of course, your design of counterweight, internally fitted, in motor housing, housing could be fabricated 15mm alluminium, hex shape.

Oh yeh, and a low drag generator on the same shaft, all completly contained in one housing.

Just dreaming at this point, i am sure the dream will be modified when you feel the time is right.

Warm Regards UFO, and glad you are here, Cornboy.
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Dreams become Reality...:)

Cornboy,

Dreams become reality my friend, you know that...

My "Dream" was not related to Energy (it just "came" to me...like I have posted before)...but to build a very stable, flying craft...that would NOT resemble ANY of the existing ones... so far...in our entire history...all this...was "once"... just a dream...

I believe Humanity needs to "brake frontiers"...first, "locally" ...then..."Globally" or flying freely...between our own planet...

Airport$ Custom$...Toll$...Street$, Highway$, Expre$$way$...Limitation$ would be COMPLETELY destroyed...gone...history...

We need that in order to reach Higher Civilization Levels...as much as we need Free Energy Devices.

As it ALSO would have to be "Open Sourced"...as you will understand it is "also" a "National Security Treat"...

Imagine you could "Fly" your Load of Garlic ANYWHERE...and ANY Weight you Want...

Possible?

Yes, and being as serious, as a Heart Attack.

I will eventually display to you all the "Counterweights Engine Design"...however, I see it like the making/constructing/training of another "Super Heavier Weight Fighter"...for a "Fight" that is about to be finished very soon...my friend...hope you understand what I mean.


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Dana,

I am aware of the simplistic nature of this program. It was designed to illustrate a point much like the program quad blink on post 4514, and in reference to a post you made to hitby13kw on post 4524 calling him a silly boy because you could not possibly have more than 25% duty cycle. the truth is the duty cycle can be more than 25% for the time period allotted whether that be 100 milliseconds or 2 milliseconds. This program as all of the arduino examples only serve as an introduction to a salient point. It is very simple to determine the wait period based on the target rpm and adjust the duty cycle up or down to bring it back into the target range. Obviously if there is no need of the adjustment it is not made. Perhaps you have changed your position since these two posts. It was very early in your exploration of Arduino. I would like to see a more recent example of the program that you are designing, and if I can be of assistance to help in coding it. I have many thousands of hours of programming experience and would be happy to help.

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Hey UFO,

I think the imperial rotor would be too small, to use as the inner stator, for the Figuera gen. Here is pic of an aluminum tube the same size as the imperial housing.





The big stator poles are laminated. I'm gonna get it sandblasted and painted, John Deere green .

Maybe, for the Figuera gen, I'll build the inner stator with oak.. Just 4 poles to match outer stator.

@Dana, if I only knew how to help you, except to get my driver setup going. Thank you for your effort, you're doing a great job.
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Hi Garry

I guess I do not understand you can have more than 25 percent duty. The total possible is 100, divided into four parts which is 25 percent each and UFO's requirement of no overlap so Amps stay down. If at any time there is an actual condition where any two of the four are on at the same time, Amps go high as well as spikes back. The only case where I could see that an overlap would be maybe useful is for higher power transfer for boosting but this has a vary high cost at input.
However, if an overlap was desired for boosting, do you know of an easy way to do this without a lot of fractionating of high and low timing?
I would like to have ideas and help. Maybe you could write a quick outline of how you would do this and then we have even more choices.
My outline is more or less what I described in the above post. I am still not settled upon fastest and safest method to tx rx. I2C is unsafe even when adding caps( it only takes and stop to crash). I have not tried the latest more expensive accessories yet but the cheap ones are slow and junk. What would you use.
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Red.

Hey Machine, why don't you paint it TORO red? much better!!.

I am sure the inner exciter will need to be metal, for heavy flux transfer. With a large dia structure like you have there the sandwiched drum could probably be stretched to about 15mm thick, maybe?, no one really knows yet.

I am hoping the drum could be made from Delrin, if heat isn't a problem.

All the Best, Cornboy.
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@Machine:

Here Mr Machine Alive...some more "Hints" to fly...so you could "relax" a bit... from heavy steel machines...

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