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Old 01-02-2013, 01:10 AM
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Hello Ian and Happy New Year,

Yes you are completely right...Coils are not balanced there, in my opinion.
THE 1000 Watts Symmetric Motor have a bigger constantly running Coil, reversing its polarity two times in a revolution (four brushes type right?)
This unbalance could cause heating on either one...Controller-Coil-MOSFET's...or Motor

May I ask what Diodes you have there, rectifying at output?...are they Ultra fast Switchers?...are diodes getting hot?
If You have the 1N4148 small crystal diodes...install them before your bigger rectifiers, same direction...BUT on the Hot side, which is the low frequency end...otherwise they will blow with Radiant Higher frequency...Then test it again and see what happens then.


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G'Day UFO
The diodes I have are fast ones sp35 reverse recovery 35ns 300v
I do not have 1N4148's I will order some today if possible
I was considering making a new larger coil the specs are in a previous post What do you think regarding this
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Yes definitively a larger coil will do...

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G'Day UFO
The diodes I have are fast ones sp35 reverse recovery 35ns 300v
I do not have 1N4148's I will order some today if possible
I was considering making a new larger coil the specs are in a previous post What do you think regarding this
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Hello Ian,

Yes, a larger coil will work better, more balanced there.
A much accurate approach would be to take that 1000 W Motor apart...take armature out...and disconnect just one commutator element wire, look for the end and start point, so you do not have to cut any wires...then measure Resistance from the two ends, start and end.

Then you will have a better approach as what Inductance you are dealing with...

Do not order the diodes...it was just a test to see if your rectifiers were filtering Hot in a high percentage...that's all...however it is not the solution...

Only a balanced Coil with the motor windings will do run better there.


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Possible good 1st build motors

Hi All,

I ordered 2 of the $18.95 motors found at this link and also the $14.95 motors might be good also for a 1st build.

Dual shaft means that one will not have shaft length issues when modifying.

Surplus Center

Surplus Center has plenty on hand and have been good business wise for me

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Old 01-02-2013, 04:47 AM
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Hello Ian,

Yes, a larger coil will work better, more balanced there.
A much accurate approach would be to take that 1000 W Motor apart...take armature out...and disconnect just one commutator element wire, look for the end and start point, so you do not have to cut any wires...then measure Resistance from the two ends, start and end.

Then you will have a better approach as what Inductance you are dealing with...

Do not order the diodes...it was just a test to see if your rectifiers were filtering Hot in a high percentage...that's all...however it is not the solution...

Only a balanced Coil with the motor windings will do run better there.


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G'Day UFO
Thanks fo the fast reply
I did as you suggested and the armature was one continuous wire measured 2.68 ohms complete it is a 20 pole motor and the ohms were from start to each succesive pole is
0.3, 0.44, 0.59, 0.72, 0.84, 1.0, 1.41, 1.36, 1.51, 1.62, 1.74, 1.9, 1.97, 2.11, 2.23, 2.36, 2.47, 2.59, 2.68 Ohms in total
The wire measured 0.88mm diam including enamel so I imagine is probably AWG 20 so that would make it 57.2 meters in length being 2.86meters per pole. a total weight of wire .48kg

I am waiting to order 3 ground shafts One for the scooter motor rebuils and one for the 1000W rebuilds and one for my Rear Drive axle for my Tricycle I cant order until after 14th or 16th

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Can't believe it, went home for new years and ran into a family friend who has relatives, actually related by marriage to my sister, of N. Tesla! I promptly informed him of how this forum has cracked one of his patents. It positively sent chills up my spine to realize I grew up in this man's stomping ground. I almost took an interview with Westinghouse (nuclear), but took a different way.
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Hi folks,

Still havn't had any time to work on motor, oscillator is fried. I made a little vid of my armature winding so ufo, or anyone, can make sure it was done correctly. Also checked the magnets in stator, never did that before so if it's not correct someone can let me know. In the video I say bisector, but I'm pointing at where poles1 and p2 , the bisector is labeled, 3 poles ccw.
Tomorrow I am going to clean the comms and try to fire this up again.

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I looked at my motor magnets and I think I have also that problem. I have put the rotor in the housing several times and did not notice that there was no hard pull, even a little bit. Could someone confirm that these motors should have a pull. I can not get even a screwdriver to stick,its as if they were wood. I am starting to understand even more why our country is falling apart. I will call them tomorrow I guess.
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If you have the Imperial, you should have a monster pull going into the housing. I had a heck of a time with the little scooter motors I had. Many a time it would pinch me on the way. Those mags were way smaller than yours.

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Just be aware, these have bronze bearings, not ball bearing. That bearing is rated for the factory speed and you are going to way over rev it doing this. Did a few motors in the past with them and typical they ship within 2 days of the order.

Let us know what the rotors look like and measurements.

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I ordered 2 of the $18.95 motors found at this link and also the $14.95 motors might be good also for a 1st build.

Dual shaft means that one will not have shaft length issues when modifying.

Surplus Center

Surplus Center has plenty on hand and have been good business wise for me

in the past.

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I looked at my motor magnets and I think I have also that problem. I have put the rotor in the housing several times and did not notice that there was no hard pull, even a little bit. Could someone confirm that these motors should have a pull. I can not get even a screwdriver to stick,its as if they were wood. I am starting to understand even more why our country is falling apart. I will call them tomorrow I guess.
Dana
Hello Dana,

Man!...I can't believe what I am reading...that Stator housing came with pieces of ceramic that are not magnetized!!??
It really does not make ANY sense to me...
Magnets are not going to loose their magnetism by traveling or a bang in the shipment...I mean, this things are big...

It does not makes sense at all...

As I can not think the whole Stator assembled goes through a "Magnetizing Process" that they forgot to do...

@Machine...Yours I see are Ok...both...that is good...and yes they swap their position, like I said on video...so have to check where South-Norths are...but they are easy to inter change since they are not glued...Good thing!!


@Dana and Iflewmyown: Let Us know what they said about this problem, please...as I am sure they will fix it...


Sorry you guys had to go through all that aggravation...


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Dana:
If you have the Imperial, you should have a monster pull going into the housing. I had a heck of a time with the little scooter motors I had. Many a time it would pinch me on the way. Those mags were way smaller than yours.

thay

Hello Thay,

Yes they do pull heavily In...and please guys be careful there...it will easy brake one of your fingers if they are in the way.

I filmed myself doing that process...you must get your other hand on the other side holding armature...while you are firmly standing...and still it suck it hard.


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Old 01-02-2013, 02:16 PM
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Imperial Spiral Asymmetry Winding

Hi UFO and All

Thank you for taking the time for the explanation and creating the image of the Spiral asymmetric winding. That makes it quit clear to the wind, as well as the Hammering Effect that you are creating. I can see now clearly how my idea of balancing the rotor would kill the effect that you are after.

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Hi Prochiro, Ufo and All

I also was astonished when I read Prochiro's post!
But I am afraid that those ceramics are NOT magnetized!
Last week I was lucky to take a visit to an electric motor manufacture company in which a friend works... He showed me ALL the process, from cutting the core plates to motor test!
And they use ceramics NOT magnetized when assembling the stator case... then they put it in a cylinder that gives a SHORT pulse to ceramics and gets magnetized.
I guess that your stator was not magnetized as Ufo said!

Hope Imperial can fix it soon!

BTW: @Netica I sent you a PM.

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The front plate # is ges16w2brgflange
front 2 bearing kit# ge6205
you need taper for shaft, j609a smaller, j609b larger. do you know your taper? they have seven different size models.
please confirn before you order UFO.

@all, My magnets really do not seem that strong, I'm going to check them today, can't recall that strong of a pull when inserting rotor, not like it should have been. I'm gonna check if there is a shop around, that can magnetize/re-magnetize.

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Here's what I'm thinking. I think my magnets have weakened over time. There's enough to move the compass, but seems weak. usally, a shop will leave metal stuck to frame to keep magnets working, if I remember right. So, I have some strong permanant magnets I will stick to the stator, I don't know, maybe it will help them to remember what they need to do . If someone knows more about magnets, please post, thanks.
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Here's what I'm thinking. I think my magnets have weakened over time. There's enough to move the compass, but seems weak. usally, a shop will leave metal stuck to frame to keep magnets working, if I remember right. So, I have some strong permanant magnets I will stick to the stator, I don't know, maybe it will help them to remember what they need to do . If someone knows more about magnets, please post, thanks.


Hello Machine, UFO, and @all with stator magnets that are weak or not magnetised at all. It appears these magnets are magnetized at the end of production cycle with a short strong pulse of a magnetic field generated by a bank of capacitors. Here are two quick references I found:

Capacitor Discharge Magnetizers -- PULSED FIELD -- instrumentation and Characterization

http://www.allianceorg.com/pdfs/Magn...rial_v85_1.pdf

Wish all the success

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I noted in your video that the needle did not snap too fast and in fact just leaned that way. I have had contact with Dyann and a new motor housing is on the way as well as a return number and prepaid shipping for the return.
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To strengthen your magnets, you can try:

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Magnets that have lost their strength Sometimes you can recharge a magnet that has lost some of its original charge. If you can find a very strong magnet, repeatedly rub it across your weakened magnet. The strong magnet will realign the magnetic domains inside the weakened magnet [source: Luminaltech].
Or if a local electric motor rebuilding company has a magnetizer, they can strengthen your magnets. I have a unit similar to the one in the link and that works well enough and got it on Ebay for $30.00 used:
120 VAC magnetizer

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James at Imperial did not seem surprised that the magnets weren't magnetized. He is shipping a new stator no charge.
Garry
Also check the large bearing fit in the housing, mine is to loose and will have to be locktited in. Also the small end of the shaft has not been finished and the part in line with the seal will actually push into the seal, when the bearing is pressed on. This will need a small washer or spacer between the shaft and bearing.
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Wow UFO,

My hat is off to you for all the work you have put in. On your Motor building,
Diagrams, answers to all the questions. Your set-ups, videos, editing. All the
equipment you have bought, testing, and so much more, just to share it with all of us.

I know that time is not cheap these days.

Thank you.
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G'Day UFO


I First saw the URL for the TORQUE_TEST_ONE over where the Skeptics are demanding these tests They do not want to even try to replicate what you are doing Just show on their part trying to prove to themselves how these things that you are showing cannot be realised.

I am pleased You are getting there I have believed as soon as I made the first little motor and saw what you said was true
I am still waiting for my P56 frames that according to those skeptics we replicators here have wasted our money as they say it is impossible to show OVERUNITY with a motor that runs perfectly just as it is and that it is unreasonable to try to modify it to make it run better and have consistantly
expressed that you havent shown results because you cannot got any.

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G'Day All

Every time I try to open the forum or try to upload a comment or just move on to the next page I have to try sometimes 10 or 20 times it just wont load.

I do not have this problem with other forums orweb pages just here

Please does anyone here have the same problem

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TORQUE_TEST_ONE - YouTube

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WOW you are one dedicated man

That's lots of work to do all that. Thank you for doing so.

The results are looking very good. Thank you for making this new test video.

If you make any more tests, please consider using a fixed weight on the torque arm in order to keep the scales measurements steady for 5 to 10 seconds. This could help with accuracy as meters take a little time to stabilize.

Thank you for sharing your awesome research

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Hi UFO and all
Again another Great Video!!! UFO. This is getting fun. " there will be noise"

Kogs. I to read that post. I'm really not happy with the tone of it. It is sad, but I expect there always will be a group of loud mouthed know it alls (who don't know anything) ready to mud sling when they don't understand something.

Now do I know every thing? Clearly buy my question's NO!!! And UFO has been very kind and patient to answer mine and others, questions. In a very polite way so other people who are reading this forum but are to shy to ask, also can learn. At least I hope I'm not the only one who is slow in the uptake of this information

And Yes It now takes a while for the forum page to load up for me as well. Could be to many pages.
Maybe time to start a new "My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines PART 2"

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Great vid UFO. Showing over 100% efficentcy. I do have a concern though it might be that I am not seeing things in the right way. Your video calculates in the range from like 5-1/2 to 6-1/2 hp. Is that going to be enough to run the generator that would normally take a 13 hp gas farter?
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Related to Torque Forces and Measurements...

Hello to All,

First, I want to thank all the Positive comments here, appreciating the work I have rendered with pleasure.
Now, some "doubts" have raised based on my procedures...on video, related to Forces Adding or Subtracting...I already went through this in previous pages back...BUT, since the results now...I have received some very nice private mails (from friends of course, FOE will never do it that way) and some very negative comments on my YT Channel...expected from the "Dark Side"...

Now I want to bring this subject to the Open...and IF I am wrong, then by all means it will be corrected...

In Peter Lindemann video: "Electric Motors Secrets" He uses two Spring Scales, and One of them stays at Zero Value...meaning it is the correct method to balance forces. However, IF that zero scale raises to a Positive value, that means it is ALSO a Force against rotation , in my humble opinion. Therefore, it must be ADDED.

Now, below is a simple graphic, where I have displayed the way the set will be done in my next video...with a Torque wrench and the Digital Torque Adapter (black square at pivot point)





And here there will NOT BE TWO SCALES...but JUST ONE measuring the F1 Applied Force.
According to my Physics knowledge in Handling Vectors of Forces...We add F2A and F2B, since they are DERIVATIVES from F2, meaning F2= F2A + F2B...Correct so far?

Further on, I have also displayed the "future readings" according to Motor Rotation (Remember that Imperial is CCW or R1, looking front of it like in Picture above) related to "R"...Now it will be understood that the Force "FAVORING" Rotation Will be smaller than the One AGAINST...or "Bigger Than"...

As also I have displayed L1 and L2 being the Distances of the Levers...(Archimedes Law of the Lever...First Grade?)...To make it easier on me to apply a minor F1 and amplify F2 based on length differences of the levers...

It would be also understood, that I have set the Two Pulleys perfectly aligned to their respective centers...so there would not be any deviation or inclinations towards one side more than other...

Simple Elementary School Knowledge of Physics here to Me guys...

However...correct me if I am wrong...BUT...I will expect a REAL Explanation...and "No Citing Wikipedia or else Links"...BE REAL , Be Yourself...do not hide behind what "someone else said or wrote..."...


Then I will proceed to make video with Torque Wrench...I mean, if I am wrong...I will NOT spent the time to create a video that is all wrong...right?


Thanks for your contributions here.


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I've been working all day non stop on this video..til now...


Hope You enjoy it


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Hello UFO, Congratulations on the “IMPERIAL ASYMMETRIC MOTOR TORQUE_TEST_ONE”

This is HEROIC MILESTONE ACHIVEMENT.



Efficiency = 104 % (It is the beginning of new beginning)

It is culmination of many many hours of your work and sleepless nights.
You went to extra ordinary lengths spending both time and money to be throughly scientific with measurements. Hopefully now doubters will take rest now.



Let this be the first BIRTHDAY of >100% Asymmetric Motor Technology.
Nicola Tesla's Spirit will be very proud of this moment


This is your UREKA MOMENT and you are sharing selflessly with rest us here for the sake of better world.

Looking back in time, I too when first looked at your stationary radiant coil with little-ufo inside some months back, I knew you were dealing with very promising properties of nature of RADIANT ENERGY.

HATS OFF TO YOU UFO!

Now my wish for you and all the active replicators here all the success and GO WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE!

Warmest regards

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Great vid UFO. Showing over 100% efficentcy. I do have a concern though it might be that I am not seeing things in the right way. Your video calculates in the range from like 5-1/2 to 6-1/2 hp. Is that going to be enough to run the generator that would normally take a 13 hp gas farter?

Hello Zardox,

Great point there...yes, unfortunately this testing should have been done before running Mecc Alte...my bad.

This is the "Negative Side" of this testing...Nope, it will not have the strength (still) to fully run Mecc Alte to produce its Max Wattage Output...
It delivers the 6.44 HP at 2500...is not even close.
It MUST deliver at least 10 HP at 3600 RPM's...and still I will NOT be Happy till I get 15 HP out of it...do not care If I have to climb up to 72 Volts Bank...Good thing is that Motor WILL take it...since it is OPEN, Asymmetrical Winding...a Symmetrical like Original will definitively fry smoke wires with 72 V Feed...

I am moving next to a 48 Volt Bank of same batteries(just adding one more, then re-testing Torque again)...but eventually, I will have to replace to a higher Amps/Hour Capacity Bank...

This have to be done first...then we will move to the Controlling Pulsing means...based on Input everything will have to be re arranged in the electronics side...


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