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Old 07-09-2012, 05:11 PM
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Bruce DePalma gyroscope experiment

Bruce DePalma claimed that a rotating gyroscope weighs less than a non-rotating gyroscope. My first tests showed that this was true. However, tests with more accurate scales showed it was not true. My videos original posted in this thread were deleted and replaced with the following short, to the point, video.

video >>>> Bruce DePalma gyroscope experiment test - YouTube
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Great experiment
I saw your earlier upload, but see you've improved the vid. Does the same weight loss occur in both directions of spin ? Am thinking of the Earth rotating and any effect. Also about speed of rotation and whether a particular speed suits the precession best, or simply that a faster rotation may increase the effect, per precession angle.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:56 PM
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Does the same weight loss occur in both directions of spin ?
Yes. Largest weight loss occurs when gyroscope has slowed to the point where it is almost ready to fall (largest part of vertical force converted to horizontal force).
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I see, thanks, so it pulls the weight sideways rather than allowing full gravitic effects.
Could the weight change have any use then ?
I'm picturing something like a magnet embedded in the gyroscope assembly. Outside the gyroscope, would be permanent magnets of opposite polarity to each other, one at one side, opposite polarity magnet on the other side. Would they negate all forces, or the push pull force help the weight movement.... the gyroscopic action returning the device to a stable condition between magnetic interactions.
One use, if such an idea were to work, would be in pushing a seesaw type connection, that translated to work like a piston (thinking steam engine types here). If a coil was also mounted on the perimeter, I wonder if the magnet onboard the gyroscope could allow the gyroscope to continue spinning at a set rate.
It may form an interesting Rube Goldberg electro-mechanical machine.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:33 AM
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He claimed he could use rotating disks to make an anti-gravity machine. See Bruce DePalma – N Machine, Free Energy, Self Sustaining Energy, Green Energy
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:07 PM
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He claimed he could use rotating disks to make an anti-gravity machine. See Bruce DePalma – N Machine, Free Energy, Self Sustaining Energy, Green Energy
Also,see Eric Laithwaite.
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:49 PM
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Aluminium rotating discs

Hi all, I posted this a while back at the neighbours, but it might still be relevent.

I was looking to some FBI witness reports, released and freely available to the public on the FBI site:

FBI — UFO Part 2 of 16

What i find interesting is that some different reported ufo crashes had similarities.

It does not look extraterrestrial, but it does look like back in those days some people where experimenting with the same (unknown?) technologies.

As i see it..

It is mainly one or two radio tubes, some wire and alumium plates.
So non technical people describe what they see..
(To me it reads like a hollow coil in the center of aluminum discs, somehow wired up (pancake wiring?)

I'm not familiar with electricity, but to me this reads like the perfect starting point for researching this stuff.

And anyone know of a scientist from that era that uses the initials TS ? Because that was find on one of the parts.


I put a few parts/snipps from the FBI files below.
The second one has an even better description.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:18 PM
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Wow, that stuff is great

Also - from the documentation in the PDF, which includes Roswell info - we read what may well have really happened in that world famous case !
During the storm, the disc hit the weather balloon !!!!

A good point was raised by my wife. If the small UFO had 'Inspected TS' written inside, then they didn't just make 1 of them...it would be part of a production run and several persons would be involved.
Could TS simply mean Top Secret, instead of identifying a person as inspector ?
It would have been a real mind bender had it read 'Inspected BDeP'.

Wait now, what's John Searl's father's name ?
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:27 PM
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Hannebu II.

This Area 51 levitating rocket saucer has a large central vacuum sealed Mach speed, spinning magnet sphere, and three counter rotating satellite sphere spinners, for precessional balance and control. These over sized Alnico magnet spheres were weightless and spun frictionless inside the four thick lined encasing and evacuated bismuth spherical shells. Rocket powered foward, Reed switch timed.

The magneto effect on the power coils forces input down to nothing at top speed and maximum negative G's. The gain can be measured in net units of lift-horsepower.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:21 AM
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Experiment.

Four diametric tube magnets, One large and three small of equal mass. Ball bearings to size.

Two wood slat three star Daimler Benz shaped frames. Three dowels, and four hanging pins.

Three biflar spool power coils in series driving the three outer spinners one way, and the larger tube the other.

This can be run up on a scale to measure the weight loss, or it could go airbourne!
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:08 AM
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Eric Laithwaite - gyroscopic gravity modification.mov - YouTube

Two flywheels as a rotating pair, one at each end of a horizontally rotating axle, this to ensure balance about a central vertical axis, spinning oppositely with respect to each other so that each independently will provide same force translation with respect to earth gravity.

Four pairs (or any multiple of four) of rotating assemblies on one rigid platform, with two (or half of any multiple number of pairs) at opposite corners having reverse spin and reverse rotation, this to ensure that force translation is in same direction with respect to the platform, and independent of ground, such that the platform itself will not try to counter spin in free space.

I drew this arrangement in 1969, but have never had opportunity to try it, and I never will - so go ride the experience folks !

Gyroscopes - Everything you needed to know

Also magnets already are electron flywheels when looking down into a poleface, so these could be rotated similarly, say horizontally spinning a disc of circumferential neodimiums all with N (or S) pointing outwards wrt a vertical rotation axis. The disc should change weight, and either increase or decrease weight according to disc spin wrt earth. Or if the axis of rotation was horizontal, then the force translation should produce horizontal motion .

Anyone ever consider that Leedskalnin (who remagnetised his own magnets) did not remagnetise those in his wheel so that they were all N (or S) poles facing outwards ? Rotation of his fixed axis wheel would energise (via the mutual 90 degree spin axes) a unidirectional and vertical central vortex.

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Old 07-14-2012, 02:39 PM
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Have you seen any replications of Bruce DePalma's Accutron experiment?

http://www.enterprisemission.com/DeP...nt-results.jpg
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Have you seen any replications of Bruce DePalma's Accutron experiment?

http://www.enterprisemission.com/DeP...nt-results.jpg
Hi Xee,

No not seen, but that effect upon the tuning fork would not surprise me.

I often wonder if anyone has done similar with weights on spokes like a fairground big wheel, and a rotating flywheel tangentially beneath one side, because the spoked wheel should rotate due to effective 'weight' differentials of the equal masses.

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Old 07-15-2012, 03:45 PM
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Weightless spinner

Everyone's seen the Youtube videos where neo sphere spinners are suspended in a weightless state. I am constructing a three spinner two bifilar power coil platform, with a large center free spinner. The central spinner will turn on a ball bearing, and be centered by an overhead nylon axle with space to allow the tube to rise. Comparing the weight of the magnet alone to the overall weight loss of the entire apparatus, would help predict suspension from spin and help formulate an equation for M.D. / Hz= 0g, (Mass, Diameter and Rotation Speed) to forcast the floating point of any spinning mass. Any measurable weight loss from this experiment would supply sufficient data to extrapolate a formula.

Spinning up away from the power coils removes their field's as a levitation factor, and the counter rotated satellite drivers will secure inertial stability for the platform. The total apparatus exceeds my plastic pastry scale's upward measuring limit. Eric helped save me a trip to the hardware store with his balance board; Balance board weighted to off set the weak scale measure, an accurate weight loss reading can be taken from the under powered scale.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:10 PM
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Everyone's seen the Youtube videos where neo sphere spinners are suspended in a weightless state. I am constructing a three spinner two bifilar power coil platform, with a large center free spinner. The central spinner will turn on a ball bearing, and be centered by an overhead nylon axle with space to allow the tube to rise. Comparing the weight of the magnet alone to the overall weight loss of the entire apparatus, would help predict suspension from spin and help formulate an equation for M.D. / Hz= 0g, (Mass, Diameter and Rotation Speed) to forcast the floating point of any spinning mass. Any measurable weight loss from this experiment would supply sufficient data to extrapolate a formula.

Spinning up away from the power coils removes their field's as a levitation factor, and the counter rotated satellite drivers will secure inertial stability for the platform. The total apparatus exceeds my plastic pastry scale's upward measuring limit. Eric helped save me a trip to the hardware store with his balance board; Balance board weighted to off set the weak scale measure, an accurate weight loss reading can be taken from the under powered scale.
That will be a great experiment. Please post your results. In my tests the spinning gyroscope did not lose weight when it was held in place, it needed to be allowed to precess in order to lose weight. DePalma's spinning balls appear to have lost weight since they went higher than non-spinning balls when started with same velocity. See evert rotor tech


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Old 07-15-2012, 11:10 PM
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Precesion.

@Xee2,

The gyroscope defys gravity. It leans over from it's tip over tendency, and looses it's perpendicular axis. It can't suspend itself leaning over on it's side while motionless. Bearingless magnet flywheels spin ten times faster then cheap gyroscopes, but precession can destabilize them unpredictably. I think it's just easier for them to lean over then levitate!

I finished the platform. The trellis for the hanging nylon axle guides is assembled from Tinker Toys. All I need are the nylon sleeves and the Reed switches.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:32 PM
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The gyroscope should be spun while inside a air-tight jar, to prove it's not simply caused by the boundary layer of air moving.
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The gyroscope should be spun while inside a air-tight jar, to prove it's not simply caused by the boundary layer of air moving.
I do not have a reference handy, but the gyroscope performs the same in a vacuum as it does in air (with the exception of drop experiments where air friction must be considered as with any falling object). However, there may be some effects on spinning balls that are similar to effects on spinning baseballs. In my test, there was no weight loss when the spinning gyroscope was held in place in the air, so it would be hard to argue that the presence of air was causing the weight loss.
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I do not have a reference handy, but the gyroscope performs the same in a vacuum as it does in air (with the exception of drop experiments where air friction must be considered as with any falling object).
Gyroscope in Free-Fall "Zero-G" - YouTube

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Thanks for the link. This is a very interesting experiment. It shows that the spinning gyroscope falls slower than the box it is housed in. It also shows that the larger the precession angle is the slower the gyroscope falls. THIS IS A REAL ANTI-GRAVITY DEMONSTRATION.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:48 PM
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Depalma experiment.

Here's a look my current setup:



Depalma - YouTube


Here's the rest of the video:


Antigravity - YouTube
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:26 PM
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Analysis

Gyroscope falls about 5 centimeters (about 2") less than box in 2 seconds. What is the difference in the acceleration of gravity on box and gyroscope?

for box

Db = distance box falls in 2 seconds = G * T^2 / 2 = 9.8 * 2^2 / 2 = about 19.6 meters (about 60 feet)
check:
acceleration of gravity on box = Gb = 2*Db / T^2 = 2*19.6 / 2^2 = 9.8 M/S^2

for gyroscope

Dg = distance gyroscope falls in 2 seconds = 19.6 - 0.05 meters = 19.55 meters

acceleratoion of gravity on gyroscope = Gg = 2*Dg / T^2 = 2*19.55 / 2^2 = 9.775 M/S^2

therefore difference in gravity for box and gyroscope is


9.8 - 9.775 = 0.0250 M/S^2

0.0250/9.8 * 100 = 0.255 %

about 2.5 parts per thousand
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:59 AM
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I am concerned that you may not see any loss of weight because the spinner is not free to precess. But, we shall see when you do your experiment. I am looking forward to your results.
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Thanks for the link. This is a very interesting experiment. It shows that the spinning gyroscope falls slower than the box it is housed in. It also shows that the larger the precession angle is the slower the gyroscope falls. THIS IS A REAL ANTI-GRAVITY DEMONSTRATION.
Antigravity Mechanism - a prototype of a propulsion mechanism based on a new kinematics theory of physics -
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Theodore Tsiriggakis the inspirer of a new kinematical theory in transmssion technology.



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Old 07-18-2012, 03:08 AM
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Precesion.

Xee2,

The 1/2" neo sphere ran around the inside of the cup. I wonder if that kind of eccentric rotation is revolution? I'll try a few things. I found the old spool bifilar coil I set my speed records with.
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Depalma experiment.

I need to rebuild the old PVC coupling with the nylon axle and ceramic bearings. The bearingless spinner is too eratic for very high speed running. The entire case can be placed sideways, so the axis of spinner rotation is horizontal and the case and power coil are allowed to precess on a pivoting stud on the scale balance. Wireless pancake reciever and power coils can be mounted on and overhead to avoid twisted power wires.

The amp meter showed zero input spinning a neo at 5k. What I noticed with the reed switch in series with the hi-voltage bifilar and precision ceramic bearings was the astonishing surge above the reed switch limit. The switch must be shorted out when it takes off under it's own steam, perhaps in resonance with the battery. I coined the term "Lenz Propulsion" to describe this coil shorted burst of acceleration. The 'Magneto Generating Effect" of the powerfull neo spinner builds such a strong flux field in the power coil, input can no longer force it's way in, while the spinner is racing ahead full speed!

I tried disconnecting the battery, and it died; Capacitor exploded. No self runner. However, this approach should satisfy Xee2's cautioning about the essential nature of precession.

I don't know how these kind of bearings are going to hold up when placed on end. I plan to search for something better. My math tells me a that a gyro spinning 100x's the speed of DePalma's, should generate 100x's the weightlessness! Precession increases as the gyro slows, and weightlessness increases directly in proportion. Powering the spinner down and sustaining maximum precessional levitation should be achievable with this setup.

The case and spinner might begin to pick up alot of speed if the spinner axis was forceably tilted to generate the precession. Adding a remote servo and tiny stepper motor would permit the case to roll. Coupled with the power adjustment, these controls should make it possible to maximize lift. The tough PVC coupling is strong enough to absorb any problem with the spinner. I attached a picture below.

The Hannebu II may have controlled the precession of the large central magnet sphere by swirling the driver satellites around in a cresting wave pattern.
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I repeated my original experiment using a video camera instead of a still camera. I feel this better documents what is happening.

video >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_WLfycskQo
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Spinning Gyroscope Weightloss.

So, the upright bearingless spinner should grow lighter. There's a youtube video of a horizontal spinner gaining weight I can't find! I think I'll simply mount one of my Bedini Spiral Bifilars and large spinning neo spheres on the scale balance, and check for weight loss.
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"In the London Sunday Telegraph of 21 Sept. 1997, Robert Matthews reports that "a team of Japanese scientists have spun up a gyroscope to 18000 rpm and dropped it through a distance of 63 inches in vacuo. The time taken to fall this distance was 1/25000 sec. longer than when the gyroscope was not spinning, corresponding to a weight reduction of 1 part in 7000. The effect only occurred when the gyroscope was spinning anticlockwise. The fall was timed using laser beams. The team say that this is in line with earlier findings of theirs published in 1989."

quote from >> FALLING GYROSCOPE EXPERIMENT

In my experiment the gyroscope was spinning anti-clockwise when viewed from the top.
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:31 PM
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Experiment.

I narrowed my problem down to a dead potentiometer and fired a new Daftman Bedini SSG up with a replacement. The experiment's all set up and ready to video tape. I clocked the 1" neo sphere at over 50k inside a 1" PVC coupling (Pirate Twinbeard's) powered by the bifilar Spiral. The rapidly rotating neo sphere appears to be visably weightless at high speed inside the coupling. Why? We're looking for reasons. I should have a "Weightless Test" video uploaded by tomorrow.
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