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Old 07-19-2012, 11:01 PM
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I made a video with gyroscope spinning in clockwise direction. If anything it works better than counter-clockwise spinning. But I suspect that the direction of rotation does not effect performance.

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Antigravity Mechanism - a prototype of a propulsion mechanism based on a new kinematics theory of physics -
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Theodore Tsiriggakis the inspirer of a new kinematical theory in transmssion technology.
Looks like a variant of a Thornson Inertial Engine.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:38 PM
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Weightloss experiment.

I'm uploading the video right now. The hyper fast spinner shows a WEIGHT GAIN of 1/10th of an ounce while spinning in either direction; Both clockwise and counterclockwise, compared to it's lighter weight at rest!


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My theory is that Xee2's gyroscope is precessing imperceptably, unlike the seated neo sphere. The sphere is free to precess inside the small PVC coupling. I observed, in my counterclockwise trials, a noticeable periodic weight loss as the spinning sphere precessed inside the plastic recepticle.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:02 AM
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I'm uploading the video right now. The hyper fast spinner shows a WEIGHT GAIN of 1/10th of an ounce while spinning in either direction; Both clockwise and counterclockwise, compared to it's lighter weight at rest!


Depalma weight gain - YouTube

My theory is that Xee2's gyroscope is precessing imperceptably, unlike the seated neo sphere. The sphere is free to precess inside the small PVC coupling. I observed, in my counterclockwise trials, a noticeable periodic weight loss as the spinning sphere precessed inside the plastic recepticle.
Thanks for posting video. However, I am confused. It looks to me like there was a weight loss when spinning. The pointer is over 250 when stopped and under 250 when spinning.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:07 AM
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Weightloss.

@Xee2,

The scale reads backwards. When the spinner looses weight, it causes the counterweight to grow heavier; Hence the gain in counter balance weight actually equals a loss for the spinner. I grew confused too, and had to make the video twice, drawing the same erroneous conclusion as you at first.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:40 AM
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The scale reads backwards. When the spinner looses weight, it causes the counterweight to grow heavier; Hence the gain in counter balance weight actually equals a loss for the spinner. I grew confused too, and had to make the video twice, drawing the same erroneous conclusion as you at first.
Thanks for the explanation. Do you have an estimate for the weight of the spinner?
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:57 AM
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@ Allen Burgess

I think DePalma said that his flywheels gained weight when spinning but I can not find where he said that (if he did). It may be that your spinner is acting like a flywheel since it is constantly being pushed around the circle. Whereas, the gyroscope is not getting input drive while it is spinning but is coasting. Perhaps driven wheels gain weight and coasting wheels lose weight.
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:48 PM
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Sphere weight

@Xee2,

I'll measure the ball weight and get back with the number. I measured the weight gain in the video off the wrong scale units: It's in Grams, not ounces. The gain is 10 or 20 grams. The ball is accelerating in the video. At top end, around 50k, the needle reads around 240 grams. This should amount to nearly a doubling of ball weight!

What's interesting is that we have a platform here with the engineering capability to graphicly demonstrate the effects of relativistic physics in a shade tree garage setting. A feat formerly the exclusive province of large hugely funded institutions. Coupled with our web connections, advancement is rocketing us into future at warp factor.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:05 PM
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The gain is 10 or 20 grams.
Wow. That must be a fairly large percentage weight change.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:23 PM
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I have the final figures: The 1" neo sphere weighs 60 grams. 5 to10 grams of weight gain equals almost exactly the percentage of weight loss you measured off your gyroscope at maximum precession.

I illuminated a cluster of 6, 120 volt LED's wired directly to the Spiral Quadfilar's secondary output series wired bifilar. The addition of the load causes the spinner to accelerate. The a.c. output is 220 volts. The bulbs read 1000 lux units, about 1/3 full brightness. Combined with Magnetman's primary B.E.M.F. illumination circuit, I believe this setup has a chance to go O.U.

I'll post a new video on my old Quadfilar Coil thread. This next video will be shot off a tripod.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:46 AM
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You might be interested in the work this person is doing: a shed dweller's diary

I think that he is very close at building a flying machine:
experiment 4.60.wmv - YouTube

Maybe if he uses three gyros instead of two, he can get a stable upward force?
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:37 AM
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I have done a series of tests to determine the accuracy of the scale I have been using. At first it seemed accurate to about 0.1 oz. BUT after more testing I have concluded that it can have errors as high as 0.2 oz. THIS MAKES MY TEST RESULTS SUSPECT. I will try to get a more accurate scale and repeat the tests. Until then, I think the results should be considered as questionable.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:59 PM
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I have repeated the gyroscope tests using a balance beam scale. Results show no difference in weight when spinning and stopped.

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Good test, but the gyro is a closed system.

Only when external force is applied will it act about a third 90 degree mutual axis.
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:57 PM
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Tidal weight fluctuation.

I dieted while living aboard my sailboat and noticed today that I weigh a pound or two less at new Moon low tide!
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At this point I think that the spring scale reading were not accurate. I believe that the shaft of the pointer requires a force of about 0.1 oz. to overcome
friction and thus stays stuck in a given position until a sufficient force is applied to move it. But the vibration caused by the rotating gyroscope reduces this friction and allows the pointer to move more freely. Thus producing different reading when there is vibration from the gyroscope than when there is no vibration.

The balance beam scale seemed to be able to detect changes in weight that were less than 10% of the spring scale readings and therefore should have shown the change in weight if there was any.

My conclusion is that the physics books are correct and that Bruce Depalma was wrong about the spinning gyroscope weighing less than a non-spinning gyroscope. Obviously this is not the result I was expecting. DePalma seemed to be very knowledgeable about rotating objects and I find it strange that he was wrong about this.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:26 PM
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I repeated the gyroscope tests using a digital scale with 0.1 gram readings and there was no difference in weight of gyroscope when spinning and not spinning. Therefore, I now feel that the beam balance and digital scales show that Bruce DePalma was incorrect when he claimed that a spinning gyroscope weighs less than a non-spinning gyroscope.

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Old 07-26-2012, 07:36 PM
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I dieted while living aboard my sailboat and noticed today that I weigh a pound or two less at new Moon low tide!
When I was a student at UCLA there was a physics professor there that was doing a long term study of the gravitational pull of the moon. He was using a very precision scale to measure the change in weight of a known mass as the moon circled the earth. He was getting very small changes. A 2 pound change in your weight would be about a 1% change and should be easy to measure using a digital scale (he was getting much smaller changes). I am planning to build a gravity detector that will measure 0.1% changes. I will do a test when (and if) I get it working.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:43 PM
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Lunar gravity.

@Xee2,

The theory involves a 3 body relationship. The Moon exerts it's pull on the opposite side of the Earth from the Sun during the New Moon cycle. The Earth is streched between the two bodies. It forms a dumbell shape, and the water is drawn into the concave hollow around the center. The Earth's inertial center of gravity has shifted from directly underfoot to off to the side a little for someone around the 45th latitude, and suppling a little less attraction.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:33 PM
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The theory involves a 3 body relationship. The Moon exerts it's pull on the opposite side of the Earth from the Sun during the New Moon cycle. The Earth is streched between the two bodies. It forms a dumbell shape, and the water is drawn into the concave hollow around the center. The Earth's inertial center of gravity has shifted from directly underfoot to off to the side a little for someone around the 45th latitude, and suppling a little less attraction.
Theoretically, gravity pull from moon at earth's surface is about 0.0003% that of earth's pull. But, some people claim it is much more. I never saw the professor's results so I do not know what he measured. He only showed me his measuring equipment. Results are usually kept secret until they are published.
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:03 PM
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I deleted the videos I had posted in this tread and replaced them with the following short, to the point, video. I did this so that people searching on Google would find one concise video instead of a confusion of videos.

new video >>> Bruce DePalma gyroscope experiment test - YouTube
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Eric Laithwaite - gyroscopic gravity modification.mov - YouTube

Two flywheels as a rotating pair, one at each end of a horizontally rotating axle, this to ensure balance about a central vertical axis, spinning oppositely with respect to each other so that each independently will provide same force translation with respect to earth gravity.

Four pairs (or any multiple of four) of rotating assemblies on one rigid platform, with two (or half of any multiple number of pairs) at opposite corners having reverse spin and reverse rotation, this to ensure that force translation is in same direction with respect to the platform, and independent of ground, such that the platform itself will not try to counter spin in free space.

I drew this arrangement in 1969, but have never had opportunity to try it, and I never will - so go ride the experience folks !

Gyroscopes - Everything you needed to know

Also magnets already are electron flywheels when looking down into a poleface, so these could be rotated similarly, say horizontally spinning a disc of circumferential neodimiums all with N (or S) pointing outwards wrt a vertical rotation axis. The disc should change weight, and either increase or decrease weight according to disc spin wrt earth. Or if the axis of rotation was horizontal, then the force translation should produce horizontal motion .

Anyone ever consider that Leedskalnin (who remagnetised his own magnets) did not remagnetise those in his wheel so that they were all N (or S) poles facing outwards ? Rotation of his fixed axis wheel would energise (via the mutual 90 degree spin axes) a unidirectional and vertical central vortex.

Cheers ......... Graham.
i hate to unearth an old(ish) thread, but your comment about ed made me think.

graham, i haven't thought about it but i recall that in mag current, pg 4 of the booklet,

"you can drag the magnet over the rod from end to end but never stop inthe middle. if you stop in the middle there will be an extra pole and it will disturb the magnet's circulation"

i'd love to hear your comments

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DePalma spinning mass experiments

Has anyone else here done experiments along these lines?
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Has anyone else here done experiments along these lines?
Iím certainly interested in this topic. I have been designing and quietly collecting parts (bearings, bearing housings, non-magnetic shafts, mounts, brushes etc.), for either a Kromrey - like - Converter (particularly after Peterís last presentation) or alternatively an N-machine like device which uses similar components.

Have you been quietly working away on projects such as this?

Have you any teasers to offer us before the next Conference?

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Hello to Aaron and our many distinguished guests
I have scoured for, a real time explanation with replication that
helps me to better understand this quest.

Here is the hot topic. This guy reminds me of John Bedini the way
his glasses fall as he stands before the world.

So much of the other info is vague or inconclusive, resulting is
a redesigning by hundreds to get practical energy.

All gifts flow from the FATHER OF LIGHTS.

I have been reviewing John's video's at night.

In this approach counter rotating disks form the particle operating
principle and I am unsure how this one may vary from the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDLo527YpVw&t=1440s

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LOL - good call. Probably not all I want to do by the conference, but can do something related to DePalma's work.
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Iím certainly interested in this topic. I have been designing and quietly collecting parts (bearings, bearing housings, non-magnetic shafts, mounts, brushes etc.), for either a Kromrey - like - Converter (particularly after Peterís last presentation) or alternatively an N-machine like device which uses similar components.

Have you been quietly working away on projects such as this?

Have you any teasers to offer us before the next Conference?

Cheers,
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There might be a short presentation on the homopolar generator. Something to get people experimenting with. Two different things - one has been revealed for a long time but nobody seems interested enough to take it further and something I came up with years ago, but have never discussed it.
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Besides the fact that it seems like all inventors are smeared in one
way or another to discredit their work I have found some information
of a Bruce D. Gyro insides.

Still I will assume that the complete detailed set up is missing but
at least this is better than a picture of three circular wafers sandwiched
together with a wire stuck to a rotating shaft.

Here is a source you can trust.

This is what Bruce called the "SUNBURST" so the conclusion is
that more than one invention exists. In this picture we see
something that is more than just an insult to the inventive
mind, actual windings are shown, imagine.

In other diagrams we are lead to believe only 3 disks caused 1000's
of amps to magically appear but from what i have been reading the
swirl shaped flat wire segments on the disks create a vortex, of
magnetic energy that imitates the principles of the universe.

I am not sure but I have the thought to itch a heavy circuit board
with the copper plating to get a nice smooth surface where brush
contacts could ride.




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There might be a short presentation on the homopolar generator. Something to get people experimenting with. Two different things - one has been revealed for a long time but nobody seems interested enough to take it further and something I came up with years ago, but have never discussed it.
This doesn't have anything to do with the gyroscope...but
I built something like the DePalma gen once. I cut and polished the copper out of the backing plate of heat sink and made a copper disc out of it. I used 2 ring magnets on each side and a 1/8" brass shaft and epoxied all them to the copper disc. I used a brass shaft and ran it through the copper disc that was glued to the magnets. I added carbon brushes from dremel tool, with a fabricated brush holder that covered 180 degrees of the bottom the copper and 180 degrees of the top of the brass shaft. The shaft used 3 brushes and the disc use 12 I believe.
I had bearings on each end of the shaft that were isolated via the wood held them in. I used rotozip tool to power the gen.
I ran 10 ohm resistor for the load and the mechanism produce between .8 volt and 1.4 volt depending on the rpm , but continuously produced 4 amp. I can't remember the rpm's but that easy to solve if you have dremel.

The thing that through me off was the amps. Ohms Law???

Never went any further but it was something to see. Unfortunately I wasn't any good with a scope at the time.

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