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Since this forum seems to be about energy, let me attempt to enlighten your readers as to how high voltage pulses led Tesla to the discovery of a free source of power. This information may seem bizarre, but I assure you can research everything I am about to write for yourself.

People have a misconception about the forces acting upon the surface of the Earth. We know there is a magnetic field, in the North/South direction and we know the Earth rotates physically around an axis in the East/West direction, but we describe the force in the vertical direction Up/Down as gravity. Let me explain why this conception of gravity is a misconception.

On the Earth, in the vertical direction from the surface of the Earth into Space, exists a High Voltage Electrostatic field. In fact this field is so strong, there is a voltage potential of over 300 Volts between your head and your feet, when your standing on the ground. Between say the ground and the International Space Station, the voltage is over 40 million volts! You can research this by searching, "Atmospheric Electricity", "Hans Alfven", "Schumann" or even the "NASA Tethered Satellite experiment". This is a fact, the electrostatic forces are much greater than the gravitational forces in the vertical direction.

So everyone always asks, "If there is 300 Volts across my body, why do I not feel a shock or die from a shock?" Well the answer to this ties in with everything I have discussed to this point. The reason you do not get shocked, it there is no current flow to shock you. Air, vacuum etc etc acts like an insulator and effectively limits the current flow. Nevertheless, the electrostatic voltage still exists. We need a tall conducting tower, with a large metal sphere or plate at the top, to accurately measure this voltage( which Tesla seems quite familiar with ).

So in a nutshell, Tesla's discovery of an ability to transmit power using electrostatic high voltage pulses generated by artificial means, led him to the discovery of this "natural" source of electrostatic high voltage pulses. If you fully grasp the implications of this, you will begin to realize the true genius of Tesla's wireless system. Realize this has nothing to do with alternating electromagnetic field produced by alternating current, like radio, although the apparatus looks similar.

This is a incredible brief explanation( scratching the surface as it were ) but should allow someone to make the connection and points in the right direction.
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Thank you for your explanation. I believe also that Earth magnetic field and rotation is done by the same energy inflow and that electrostatic field you mentioned is under continuous oscillation of very high frequency or even in wide range of frequencies due to cosmic rays impact.
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As promised please find attached a description of elihu thomsons coil. It was made by E.S Ritchie. As mentioned earlier it is very obvious that Tesla combined the features of elihu thomsons coil and joseph henry system of which i posted earlier in this thread.

The very interesting feature of the secondary of the E.S ritchie coil is the well known flat spiral that Tesla used in his patents. In this coil it is constructed of multiple layers and in multi sections
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As promised please find attached a description of elihu thomsons coil. It was made by E.S Ritchie. As mentioned earlier it is very obvious that Tesla combined the features of elihu thomsons coil and joseph henry system of which i posted earlier in this thread.

The very interesting feature of the secondary of the E.S ritchie coil is the well known flat spiral that Tesla used in his patents. In this coil it is constructed of multiple layers and in multi sections
Thank you. That is awesome.
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Some of this is covered in the links posted in this topic, but I thought I should rephrase the explanation.

Spiral coils are useful in Tesla Coils and especially powerful electrostatic coils for a couple reasons. The main reason is a spiral coil allows us to increase the distance between the primary windings and secondary coil, which helps eliminate unwanted arcing. Secondly, in a spiral coil, the capacitance between windings decreases as we move towards the center of the coil. In a cylindrical helix coil, the capacitance between windings is the same for each winding.

To rephrase this lets say we have a helical secondary of 100 windings putting out 1000 Volts. Each winding on the coil is at 10 Volts higher potential. Thus each winding in the coil, from bottom to top, is 10 Volts higher than the winding below it. This is because the diameter of the coil is unchanging. Giving us this fixed ratio of voltage between turns.

In a flat Spiral coil, the diameter and circumfrence of each winding decreases as we move from the outside to the inside of the spiral. Thus the potential difference between each winding still increases as we move towards the center, but the the voltage difference between each winding actually decreases.

So we get better control over the self-capacitance and inductance of the secondary and reduced chance of arcing between windings.

Even better than flat spirals, is conical spirals, especially bipolar conical spirals. The conical coil combines the features of a helical coil and a flat spiral coil. There is some interesting information to be discovered concerning conical coils.

If you really want to see a Tesla coil put out, build a bipolar conical Tesla coil with a magnetically quenched spark gap on the primary.
Tens of millions of volts is possible with such a device.
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There are a couple other differences between a helical coil and a Spiral Coil I can describe, which are relevant to this discussion.

The first concerns field density in the two coils. If we calculate the total enclosed volume of a helical coil and a spiral coil, we will find that; for the same total length of wire in both coil, the helical coil will always occupy a much greater total volume than the spiral coil. Thus the resultant fields within a spiral coil, will always be more dense or concentrated, thus more powerful than in a helical coil.

The second is a bit more difficult to visualize and involves calculating the direction of the Lorentz force in both coils, using the Right Hand Rule.

The helical windings conduct the electricity in a circular path around the coil. At any point on the surface of the coil, the electric field is pointing in the direction of the winding. This causes a magnetic field along the axis of the helical coil. If the helical coil is mounted vertical, the magnetic field is vertical. The electric field circles within the wires. When we apply the right hand rule, we get the direction of the Lorentz force, outward from the coil, perpendicular to the coil axis, and perpendicular to the path of the electric field direction.

For the Spiral coil, the direction of the Lorentz force is different and more intense. In the spiral coil, the electric field still follows the wires, in a circular( spiral ) path. However the magnetic field is now orientated in a flat plane. So we have concentrated more magnetic field closer to the the wires, and flattened the arrangement. This cause the magnetic field to be more radial, in the plane of the spiral, then vertical. Thus the resulting Lorentz force becomes the vertical component. If our spiral coil is laid flat, horizontal, the Lorentz force would be in the vertical direction above and below our spiral coil, the magnetic field is radial extending from the center outwards( or opposite ), and the electric field circles in the wires.

Spiral coils definitely have their uses in the application of these concepts, but they are not of themselves the complete solution. Nor is the magnetically quenched gap the complete solution.
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Although I am versed in physics,a substantial flaw in our very definition of voltage and electric field was pointed out to me. This "hole" in electrical theory is important to understanding how much electrical energy is truly available for our use. Let me in turn point it out to any readers here. This is related to the ideas of voltage pass used in the magnetic gap and why we can possibly get "extra" energy, using the devices described.

I will reference this page to point out the flaw:

Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Especially, this sentence from the Qualitative description on the above page:

" The strength or magnitude of the*electric* field at a given point is defined as the force that would be exerted on a positive test charge of 1 coulomb placed at that point"

If you think about this very carefully, it is a misleading and incorrect use of terminology. What they are describing in this sentence is in actuality not he strength or magnitude of the electric field, but only the intensity of the field at one specific POINT in the total field. This definition, using a point test charge, can say nothing about the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question. To calculate the total magnitude of the electric field around a charge, we would need to use an infinite number of small test charges, filling the entire volume of space surrounding the charge. Only then would we have a true measure of the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question.

You will find this error repeated everywhere, always talking about magnitude of an electric field but using a single point charge which is a field intensity. Measuring the water pressure at one point at the bottom of a lake, does not tell you the magnitude of the lakes total water pressure upon the ground.

Scientists knew charge seemed to defy conservation, but the idea was inconceivable in light of their current understanding of conservation of energy. How could a tiny charge posses the ability to effect infinite other point charges in the space around it? For as we move each point test charge into its position, work must be done, and work would be done on the test charge were it again free to move. This is true no matter how many test charges we use. It seems like one tiny charge can do infinite work!

So this concept was removed? discarded? edited? from electrical theory, because no one could figure out how to uphold conservation in such a model. Thus current electrodynamics, basically has its own conservation rules, which do not fully encompass the true nature of electrical energy.

To completely understand electrical energy in our Universe, one needs to see how a small charge, can effect all of space, and yet be in balance in terms of energy. For this is the reality of charge and electrical energy in our Universe, despite what the current theory says. The Prime Mover in our Universe is voltage, not current.
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After reading all the references on Joseph Henry and Elihu thomson i realised that was why Tesla came up with the zince box in his 1892 lecture

See attached picture. Standing waves and Reflections come to mind when i see this. Reflections from the zinc cover. Although not mentioned in the lecture it appears that the secondary coil is a flat spiral. The primaries are 10 turns wound equally and oppositely. (The 10 turns is also the same number of turns that edwin gray used in the floating flux coil)

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Although I am versed in physics,a substantial flaw in our very definition of voltage and electric field was pointed out to me. This "hole" in electrical theory is important to understanding how much electrical energy is truly available for our use. Let me in turn point it out to any readers here. This is related to the ideas of voltage pass used in the magnetic gap and why we can possibly get "extra" energy, using the devices described.

I will reference this page to point out the flaw:

Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Especially, this sentence from the Qualitative description on the above page:

" The strength or magnitude of the*electric* field at a given point is defined as the force that would be exerted on a positive test charge of 1 coulomb placed at that point"

If you think about this very carefully, it is a misleading and incorrect use of terminology. What they are describing in this sentence is in actuality not he strength or magnitude of the electric field, but only the intensity of the field at one specific POINT in the total field. This definition, using a point test charge, can say nothing about the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question. To calculate the total magnitude of the electric field around a charge, we would need to use an infinite number of small test charges, filling the entire volume of space surrounding the charge. Only then would we have a true measure of the total magnitude of the electric field around the charge in question.

You will find this error repeated everywhere, always talking about magnitude of an electric field but using a single point charge which is a field intensity. Measuring the water pressure at one point at the bottom of a lake, does not tell you the magnitude of the lakes total water pressure upon the ground.

Scientists knew charge seemed to defy conservation, but the idea was inconceivable in light of their current understanding of conservation of energy. How could a tiny charge posses the ability to effect infinite other point charges in the space around it? For as we move each point test charge into its position, work must be done, and work would be done on the test charge were it again free to move. This is true no matter how many test charges we use. It seems like one tiny charge can do infinite work!

So this concept was removed? discarded? edited? from electrical theory, because no one could figure out how to uphold conservation in such a model. Thus current electrodynamics, basically has its own conservation rules, which do not fully encompass the true nature of electrical energy.

To completely understand electrical energy in our Universe, one needs to see how a small charge, can effect all of space, and yet be in balance in terms of energy. For this is the reality of charge and electrical energy in our Universe, despite what the current theory says. The Prime Mover in our Universe is voltage, not current.
The point question is : what is CHARGE ? what is magnetic field ? what is electric field ? I don't see explanations only definitions. !!!!

The same for gravity.

I realised something lately about compass needle. It moves because it FEELS both of Earth magnetic poles but being closer to one it feels it a bit stronger. The effect may be due to weak magnetic field or due to relatively weak difference of strong poles ! Think about it because this balance seems to be the main law of nature - Newton third law.
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I realised something lately about compass needle. It moves because it FEELS both of Earth magnetic poles but being closer to one it feels it a bit stronger. The effect may be due to weak magnetic field or due to relatively weak difference of strong poles ! Think about it because this balance seems to be the main law of nature - Newton third law.
But does a compass not work equally well at the equator ?

What about the electron spin orbits of atoms+molecules within Earth surface materials becoming N-S aligned (magnetised), and the domain aligned electron spin orbits within the free to rotate magnetic pointer then similarly axially aligning ?

To TeslaSecrets.

Wikipedia is no better a reference than are the "experts" who CONTROL it !
Thanks for pointing out that sleight of mind.

To imagineer freely one needs to forget the "science" we have been taught at school-college-university and work from long understood fundamental principles alone.
Also steer clear of "experts" if you come up with new findings, lest there are "expert" attempts to undermine your novel work via cost to your own reputation or life situation, for there are always those dark actors behind the scenes who think it is they who have the right to make you behave-think the way they autocratically determine, and these days especially, internet/mobile based routes via which they now monitor, or attempt to coerce (suggestions or threats), and then ply their trickeries via many indirect routes.
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Very interesting theory...
I have a question for "TeslaSecrets" member. I'am not so versed in physics so i asking you, is it possible that flow of water through a spiral pipe may cause an electrical or magnetic field around that coil!??
Probably you have read "WARDENCLYFFE TUNNELS INVESTIGATION" here is a link for that if you didn't
Wardenclyffe Tunnels Investigation
Here is describe how did Wardenclyffe tower looks like. Is is possible that Tesla was using water under big preasure to pump water through pipes to the circle in the bottom of the tower? One pipe to pump water, the another one to take back water into boiler to his laboratory? If you look to the picture you'll see a giant ring under ground which can be a primary coil and also one giant radio antenna. So my question is, is it possible that directed movement of water molecules through the pipe may cause strong magnetic field? You know also that under Pyramids you also have a water and tunnels...
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Very interesting theory...
I have a question for "TeslaSecrets" member. I'am not so versed in physics so i asking you, is it possible that flow of water through a spiral pipe may cause an electrical or magnetic field around that coil!??
Probably you have read "WARDENCLYFFE TUNNELS INVESTIGATION" here is a link for that if you didn't
Wardenclyffe Tunnels Investigation
Here is describe how did Wardenclyffe tower looks like. Is is possible that Tesla was using water under big preasure to pump water through pipes to the circle in the bottom of the tower? One pipe to pump water, the another one to take back water into boiler to his laboratory? If you look to the picture you'll see a giant ring under ground which can be a primary coil and also one giant radio antenna. So my question is, is it possible that directed movement of water molecules through the pipe may cause strong magnetic field? You know also that under Pyramids you also have a water and tunnels...
Oh yes! Probably need water with salt but ordinary should work also. What is missing is huge electrostatic field to charge water then it will flow like huge current I believe.
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Thanks for the question. Your question requires an understanding of "ground" in the context of electrically grounding a transmitter. Consider these two papers:

http://www.dxing.com/tnotes/tnote02.pd
WHY RADIALS? Ross-Radio Ground Radial Lawn Staple Anchor Pins

All high power Am broadcasting stations require a substantial Earth ground. This large ground serves many purposes. It connects the circuit efficiently to the Earth, it extends the length of the antenna and it increases the size of the resulting electromagnetic field of the antenna/ground system. In some AM broadcast systems the ground radials or grounding grid is even placed some distance from the antenna tower itself. The antenna in an AM radio in your home or car, actually works on slightly different principles then the broadcast antenna itself, otherwise you would need a 100ft tower on your home or car to listen to the radio.

If the ground is poor, the electric fields lines have difficulty completing the circuit from the antenna to the Earth. When the ground is good the electric field can enter the Earth at much greater distances from the antenna itself, spreading out the field into a greater volume.

The tunnels under Wardenclyff are very likely real and were important to the operation of Tesla's wireless system. Equally if not more important than the above ground tower. The well would have had water pumped into it to fill the bottom radial tunnels when in operation. This ground well was also very close to the existing water table beneath Wardenclyff, which thus connects it even further to the Earth. The conductivity of the water is actually quite good, because it has dissolved minerals, salts and such in it from the rock and Earth. To be honest, I am not sure about the smaller dry tunnels extending out to the surface though, likely still part of the circuit( a resistive return to ground ).

In really dry earth, to get a good electrical ground, it is necessary to improve the conductivity of the Earth, with water, which is absolutely relevant to the Egypt case. This is just a hunch, but likely the bottom chamber of the pyramid seems unfinished and rough, because it was dug underwater. The water table is known to have been much higher in those days.
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Lots of good bits here. I have a question to the Tesla gurus.

The electron avalanche that Tesla is said to have mastered. Are there surviving experiments of this concept ?

http://www.stealthskater.com/Documen...ticBell_04.pdf


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Thanks for your answers.
I also think that underground part is of same importance like one on the surface.
Lot of time I was thinking about "crown" on the top of the tower. The antenna from underground isn't connected to the crown at all! So from my point of view i think that crown is one huge capacitor, which is charging with electricity from radiant energy on the top and on the another side it is discharging and send impulses out of space from antenna. Sorry if I writing incomprehensible, my english is not so perfect. But you will better understand me if you compare that tower with the simplest radio transmitter. I believe that Tesla was tuning frequency by regulating pressure in the pipes.
But that is only my opinion, maybe i am wrong...
I have another question for everybody here. I am planing to build "Kapanadze" generator soon. I have redesign schematic a little bit, but i have problem to buy ferrite core. Problem is that nobody is sell that core in Belgrade So the question is: Can I use magnet rings instead???
Few months ago i was testing mu electric gun and i have noticed that sparks between electrode is much stronger when i put magnet in heir nearless. It seems that magnet increases output power somehow. The spark is thicker and by the sound you can hear that pulsing/frequency is increasing also.
So what is your opinion, to wound wire around magnet core instead ferrite?
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i have problem to buy ferrite core.
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Hi Ogood,

Make your own - any size you want.

Cheers ........ Graham.
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Thank you for your post and advance Graham.
But still I cant buy ferrite core nowhere in my country, that is why i ask
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Thank you for your post and advance Graham.
But still I cant buy ferrite core nowhere in my country, that is why i ask can I use magnets instead ferrite core, and maybe it will be better!?
On schematic diagram i have read that in "Kapanadze" devise was used ferrite core permeability of 2000. That is quite enough for frequencies up to 100KHz. Of course our energetic network is 50Hz but frequency is easy adjustable by electronic part of schematic circle.
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Thank you for your post and advance Graham.
But still I cant buy ferrite core nowhere in my country, that is why i ask can I use magnets instead ferrite core, and maybe it will be better!?
On schematic diagram i have read that in "Kapanadze" devise was used ferrite core permeability of 2000. That is quite enough for frequencies up to 100KHz. Of course our energetic network is 50Hz but frequency is easy adjustable by electronic part of schematic circle.
Think. If you cannot buy it then maybe Kapanadze also couldn't ? Two options are concluded : he didn't used ferrites or he used ferrite magnets from old speakers ?
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I discussed the "Electron Avalanche"or high current( approaching infinite, spikes ) will occur at the instant a high voltage is connected to zero( or very low ) resistance. I further pointed out this is the opposite effect as what occurs in automobile ignition systems, where a current is disconnected, so resistance approaches infinite, thus voltage spikes. From an electrical engineering standpoint this is simply Ohm's law.

From a physics standpoint, it is somewhat more difficult to explain. Just realize, in that link you sent, the calculations done concerned electric "Field" and magnetic "field" in terms of current and vectors. In reality these devices are applying electrostatics., charge, which is a magnitude, a potential, not a vector. So the vector calculations are only half the solution, and the electromagnetic vector physics cannot fully explain the results. We are dealing here with the ratio of charge over mass, e/m, not electric field and magnetic field E/M.

There is a difference. Consider the case of two parallel wires near each other. We can apply 4 cases of electric field to this situation.
1. 100 Amps of Current flowing in the same direction in both wires.
2. 100 Amps of Current flowing in opposite direction in the wires.
3. 10 Kilovolts of Voltage applied in the same polarity on each wire.
4. 10 Kilovolts of Voltage applied in opposite polarity to each wire.

In the first 2 we have current, E/M. In the third and fourth, we can have no current flow, only e/m ( if say we apply the voltage though a capacitance). The 3rd and 4th cases, do not have "Electron Flow" at all. In the first two cases 1 is attraction and 2 is repulsion, due to magnetic field. However in the 3rd case we have repulsion and in the 4th attraction, due to electrostatic field. The first two and last 2 cases act in opposition with each other according to Ohm's law. So any electric action, is always some mixture of all four of these cases, not just the first 2.

Wardenclyff tower top spherical shape was a capacitance, connected through extra coil and secondary to ground. The ground system consisting of the describe well. The effective size of the well, can be controlled by pumping water into or out of the well. Changing the effective size of the ground, modifies the frequency of the system, because this changes the total capacitance. Since the top terminals size and the coils size's are fixed, the ground was used for tuning as you suspect. The ground is charged opposite to the top sphere.

The only detail about the top sphere not commonly described.
The top sphere had an opening on the top, through which the light of many powerful ultraviolet lights could be directed. The ultraviolet light ionized the air, providing a better circuit to the ionosphere, which further increased range.

Ferrite cores have the ability to basically "shrink" the apparent size of a magnetic coil. This is why ferrite is used in small AM radios. Without the ferrite core, the radio coil would need to be much larger and use more copper.
So basically, any coil design using ferrite can be made to run the same with a larger non ferrite coil. Its just sometimes the size of this larger coil becomes to costly.

Ferrite is used in many electronics, Am radio, FM Radio, Audio Amplifier, Microwave oven, etc etc, so unless these things are banned in your country, you have ferrite. Many small ferrite can be crushed into powder and put in paper tube to act as larger ferrite. Heat and pressure( +1000 C ) is required to join powder back into a single solid. Many old magnets are made of ferrite, but magnetized.
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I discussed the "Electron Avalanche"or high current( approaching infinite, spikes ) will occur at the instant a high voltage is connected to zero( or very low ) resistance. I further pointed out this is the opposite effect as what occurs in automobile ignition systems, where a current is disconnected, so resistance approaches infinite, thus voltage spikes. From an electrical engineering standpoint this is simply Ohm's law.

From a physics standpoint, it is somewhat more difficult to explain. Just realize, in that link you sent, the calculations done concerned electric "Field" and magnetic "field" in terms of current and vectors. In reality these devices are applying electrostatics., charge, which is a magnitude, a potential, not a vector. So the vector calculations are only half the solution, and the electromagnetic vector physics cannot fully explain the results. We are dealing here with the ratio of charge over mass, e/m, not electric field and magnetic field E/M.

There is a difference. Consider the case of two parallel wires near each other. We can apply 4 cases of electric field to this situation.
1. 100 Amps of Current flowing in the same direction in both wires.
2. 100 Amps of Current flowing in opposite direction in the wires.
3. 10 Kilovolts of Voltage applied in the same polarity on each wire.
4. 10 Kilovolts of Voltage applied in opposite polarity to each wire.

In the first 2 we have current, E/M. In the third and fourth, we can have no current flow, only e/m ( if say we apply the voltage though a capacitance). The 3rd and 4th cases, do not have "Electron Flow" at all. In the first two cases 1 is attraction and 2 is repulsion, due to magnetic field. However in the 3rd case we have repulsion and in the 4th attraction, due to electrostatic field. The first two and last 2 cases act in opposition with each other according to Ohm's law. So any electric action, is always some mixture of all four of these cases, not just the first 2.
Thank you for breaking it down and describing it without conversion to conventional electrical terminology.

There is a 'urban myth' about Tesla and dual conical coils and antigravity. I've not found any literature or experiments in this direction with Tesla's 'pulsed' current in the fashion you describe. I believe this is significant.

Double Cone Bipolar Tesla Coil



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Who knows Boguslaw, maybe Kapanadze did find ferrite core!? He is from Gruzija (Georgia - ex SSR) and i am born in Srbija (Serbia).
Thanks for detailed response TeslaSecrets, but I think that you are wrong in one point. I think that Wardenclyff tower top spherical shape was not connected through extra coil and secondary to ground.
Do not compare Wardenclyff tower with "APPARATUS FOR TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY" Tesla Patent 1,119,732 - Apparatus for Transmitting Electrical Energy
It looks similar, but it is not the same. You know that Tesla didn't go in tiny details to explain his work, he always give us something to think about it.
The Wardenclyff tower was designed to produce extremely large amount of energy, it is good that you meant ionosphere. Some people believe that Tesla was "pumping" with his tower ionosphere and that energy from Wardenclyff are actually belong to ionosphere. Tesla also said that there are 5 spot on planet earth where should be build similar tower, in order to entire planet be wound of free electricity usable for all people.
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Tesla coil must be grounded to work properly. An ungrounded Tesla Coil, is not a true Tesla coil. The ground connection is absolutely essential to the operation of these devices as described. To suggest the coil was not grounded, shows a complete lack of understanding of Tesla coils. Complete utter rubbish.

Build an ungrounded and grounded Tesla Coil as described, and compare the magnitudes of the outputs. All high power transmitters are grounded or they do not work properly. Good luck with your ungrounded system. Just curious, To what do you connect the other end of the secondary, if not to ground???
Who needs that stupid third ground prong anyway, just cut it off, haha.

Realize the air path, is not the important part of a True Tesla coil. In fact, radiation through the air, is a LOSS, in a true Tesla Coil. Tesla worked to minimize radiative losses in his Tesla Coils. The Wardenclyff Tower, is not a Radio antenna, although its components are similar in construction. There are many differences. For example, a radio antenna has no use for a large spherical capacitance, this decreases effective radiative power. Far more energy can be transmitted through the ground.

The patent shown is the Wardenclyff tower, however the components in the drawing are not in proportion nor to scale. Tesla's patents are accurate, but he modified the scales and sizes of components to make sure no-one could easily reproduce the device. As you have read by the description of the grounding system actually used, it was many times larger and more complex then what is shown in this simple patent drawing. Same with the capacitor. The spark gap is also missing from this patent.

If you visited my website, you will see that understanding gravity is one of my goals. There is a connection between electric actions and gravity, but not one which can be readily explained in a few sentences. The Bipolar Conical Tesla Coil is important to this research simply because of the enormous high voltage potentials we can generate with it. A Bipolar coil is twice the voltage of a 1/4 wave coil. It is this high voltage we are interested in for possible manipulation of gravitational forces.

A means to generate a extremely high electrostatic potential is required, an electronic Van DaGraff generator if you will. Research early Van DaGraff generators used as Linear Particle Accelerators. In a Van DaGraff generator used as a Linear Accelerator, you should realize we are accelerating mass, with electrostatic voltage, not current. Which is a key to understanding the connection between Gravity and electric action.
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Someone mentioned a simplification of electrical terminology may be in order. Tesla was known for always considering the Mechanical analogy of his electric devices. This is a good idea.

Using water, let me explain Voltage and Current.

Voltage can be related to water pressure, current is an actual flow of water. In reality, as I explained, we can have many different combinations of these two. For example;

-A large slow moving river, is an analogy of a very high current but a very low voltage.

-Something like a squirt gun or water gun, is an analogy of a very low current with a very high voltage.

-A drip from a tap not quite shut is an analogy of very low current and very low voltage.

-Finally we could consider a huge waterfall, which we can associate with a very high current and a very high voltage.

Now in these examples, we always have current flow. However there are cases where we can have a high pressure, without current flow. Like all the water in a large lake or dam pressing down upon the Earth. There is the potential for current to flow, if we give it somewhere to go, but no current actually flows until we do this.

In turn we can consider a dam which has burst, and all the voltage or pressure, is converted into a massive flow of water or current. This in turn could eventual collect or pool in a large depression, forming another lake or potential.

In one case we have voltage as a static pressure ( charge or e )and in the other we have the voltage expressed as a velocity( electric field or E ). This is where all the confusion lies. The charge is related to the voltage,( e is related to E ) but they are not exactly the same thing.

These concepts can be readily applied to understand the function of a Tesla Coil. As currently described by mainstream science, a Tesla Coils has within it an alternating flow of current. If consider as water, the water would flow back and forth, vibrating, changing directions. In a true Tesla coil, the water remains stationary, and pulses of pressure are sent through the water. Like water hammer in an old house. This is a very simple way to think about it.

I apologize for the excessive length of my posts. I hope someone is finding this information useful.
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You are correct about pressure waves. In gases and liquids those are natural.
I'm still digesting the difference and not yet ready to explain but there is alot in similarity to gravity and Em difference.
In air you can have sound and you can have wind. Both are waves but wind is also movement of portion of air while sound is not. Looks similar to ether,right ??

Now what is the analogy of gravity : sound or wind ? or maybe something else, like delay in pressure of ether ? that would means gravity is pure electric phenomena. Still a lot puzzles to collect...
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I apologize for the excessive length of my posts. I hope someone is finding this information useful.
Yes. I cannot get enough of it. Please go on. And thank you for your website.
Can you provide some additional links for further research ?

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If you visited my website, you will see that understanding gravity is one of my goals. There is a connection between electric actions and gravity, but not one which can be readily explained in a few sentences. The Bipolar Conical Tesla Coil is important to this research simply because of the enormous high voltage potentials we can generate with it. A Bipolar coil is twice the voltage of a 1/4 wave coil. It is this high voltage we are interested in for possible manipulation of gravitational forces.

A means to generate a extremely high electrostatic potential is required, an electronic Van DaGraff generator if you will. Research early Van DaGraff generators used as Linear Particle Accelerators. In a Van DaGraff generator used as a Linear Accelerator, you should realize we are accelerating mass, with electrostatic voltage, not current. Which is a key to understanding the connection between Gravity and electric action.
Neat. It's going to take me some time to digest all this.

If I may, I'd venture to say, there is a need to add a new element to the mix which could (theoretically) be a positron. Just my thought process gone wild.

There is some science behind magnetism being two counter rotating vortexes at play. Similarly, could it be that electric fields are counter rotating electron+positron vortexes ?

Could light be the result of these two coming together and interacting on each other ? as in a lightning discharge ?

E.V Gray is said to have demonstrated the use of electrostatics (to overcome gravity) and launch heavy objects. He termed the concept - splitting the positive.

Ville's Research

Magnetflipper - MAGNETIC VORTEX SPIN DEMONSTRATION - YouTube

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Someone requested some links. There are so many great minds who have been cast aside, where should I begin? I would suggest you read some of Walter Russell's works. They are difficult to put in context, but give a remarkable picture of our Universe. Tesla remarked, "Walter Russell should hide his ideas from humanity for 1000 years till we are ready." My bibliography would take up a hundred pages.

I would suggest reexamining many of the great minds, wiped from the history books, there is a tremendous amount of information out there. The trick is knowing where to look, how to interpret it and how to filter out the garbage. What I am trying to do here and on my site, is provide a means to do exactly this. I would never expect anyone to just believe what I am saying on faith. All I can do is give the tools to interpret the information yourself, so you can get your own understanding, independent of my own. You will find this information I discuss, is a very deep rabbit hole.

The links are good. The information here is rewording exactly what I am describing:
Ville's Research energy
The image is a real image of a true electrostatic Tesla coil, and you can see the discharge is very different from any normal Tesla coil you will find on the net.

The magnetic vortex video link is good too, it is a simple magnetohydrodynamic motor, the water is salt water I am guessing. Here is the simplest magnetohydrodynamic motor I could conceive.

http://www.ovaltech.ca/images/Simple_MHD_Pump.jpg
http://www.ovaltech.ca/downloads/mag...amics-demo.wmv

This Lorentz force is vital to understand the connection between electric action and gravity, but I do not think adding this to our current discussion will help right now. This should be a new topic.

Now @boguslaw

You have grasped the idea correctly. The wind/sound analogy is a good one, to demonstrate the subtle difference in electric action I am discussing. However I would only, for now, relate the wind/sound to electric action and not to gravity. To say gravity is an electric action, is jumping the gun a little, as it were. Consider electromagnetic field physics and modern electrical engineering as being solely an investigation of "wind", whereas the "sound" component of the electric actions has been largely ignored. We must however, at this point, agree that both electric actions( like wind and sound ) are REAL, and not some mystical, new-age, metaphysical, fringe, BS unworthy of researching. We have a real world, observable case which exactly models the electrical situation I have described.

Check this page on the "Water Hammer" effect I mentioned. It may seem at first glance unrelated( a plumbing site to explain Tesla Coils?), but this link shows the connection very well.

What is water hammer and how to prevent it

Note, the water hammer effect, occurs only at the instant the valve is opened or closed. More powerful when the valve is closed. For WH to happen when valve is opened, requires a valve over a certain size. Pressure has a significant effect. The water is not in motion, when water hammer occurs. Etc Etc. Is this not exactly the electrical situation I have described??

As to gravity, let me propose a little riddle.

Consider the astronomy Galaxy Rotation Problem:
Ask.com - All About Vera Rubin

What I am discussing, solves this problem elegantly. Whomever can grasp the significance of "Water Hammer" to the "Galaxy Rotation Problem" will begin to understand gravity.

I'll even give a hint. Which do you think is more important, the electrical action like wind or the electrical action like sound? ( A trick question in itself I might add )
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Someone requested some links. There are so many great minds who have been cast aside, where should I begin? I would suggest you read some of Walter Russell's works. They are difficult to put in context, but give a remarkable picture of our Universe. Tesla remarked, "Walter Russell should hide his ideas from humanity for 1000 years till we are ready." My bibliography would take up a hundred pages.

I would suggest reexamining many of the great minds, wiped from the history books, there is a tremendous amount of information out there. The trick is knowing where to look, how to interpret it and how to filter out the garbage. What I am trying to do here and on my site, is provide a means to do exactly this. I would never expect anyone to just believe what I am saying on faith. All I can do is give the tools to interpret the information yourself, so you can get your own understanding, independent of my own. You will find this information I discuss, is a very deep rabbit hole.

The links are good. The information here is rewording exactly what I am describing:
Ville's Research energy
The image is a real image of a true electrostatic Tesla coil, and you can see the discharge is very different from any normal Tesla coil you will find on the net.

The magnetic vortex video link is good too, it is a simple magnetohydrodynamic motor, the water is salt water I am guessing. Here is the simplest magnetohydrodynamic motor I could conceive.

http://www.ovaltech.ca/images/Simple_MHD_Pump.jpg
http://www.ovaltech.ca/downloads/mag...amics-demo.wmv

This Lorentz force is vital to understand the connection between electric action and gravity, but I do not think adding this to our current discussion will help right now. This should be a new topic.

Now @boguslaw

You have grasped the idea correctly. The wind/sound analogy is a good one, to demonstrate the subtle difference in electric action I am discussing. However I would only, for now, relate the wind/sound to electric action and not to gravity. To say gravity is an electric action, is jumping the gun a little, as it were. Consider electromagnetic field physics and modern electrical engineering as being solely an investigation of "wind", whereas the "sound" component of the electric actions has been largely ignored. We must however, at this point, agree that both electric actions( like wind and sound ) are REAL, and not some mystical, new-age, metaphysical, fringe, BS unworthy of researching. We have a real world, observable case which exactly models the electrical situation I have described.

Check this page on the "Water Hammer" effect I mentioned. It may seem at first glance unrelated( a plumbing site to explain Tesla Coils?), but this link shows the connection very well.

What is water hammer and how to prevent it

Note, the water hammer effect, occurs only at the instant the valve is opened or closed. More powerful when the valve is closed. For WH to happen when valve is opened, requires a valve over a certain size. Pressure has a significant effect. The water is not in motion, when water hammer occurs. Etc Etc. Is this not exactly the electrical situation I have described??

As to gravity, let me propose a little riddle.

Consider the astronomy Galaxy Rotation Problem:
Ask.com - All About Vera Rubin

What I am discussing, solves this problem elegantly. Whomever can grasp the significance of "Water Hammer" to the "Galaxy Rotation Problem" will begin to understand gravity.

I'll even give a hint. Which do you think is more important, the electrical action like wind or the electrical action like sound? ( A trick question in itself I might add )
Sorry for quick answer but I have very limited time. I like the way you see nature , it's close to my perception. Both wind and sound is important but the difference for us is this :
with wind to create sound we have to have obstacle in the path of air movement as to change pressure because wind is a steady pressure (mostly)
with sound we can create wind by interference. While it may sound as a weak method with wind creating sound we are at the mercy of wind power source while creating wind by sound the using in positive loop we can get whatever energy we wish.
Gravitation is electric phenomenon surely and related to the delay of flow of ether into the Earth or any other big mass.
Both sound and wind are complex pattern applied to simple two constituent of reality : Prana and Akasha. Ether and Vibration (wave).
I'm still working on bringing together various theories and simplify, because I believe The Universe is electric and is simple. If we only knew Tesla theory of gravitation we would not need much more.
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You basically answered the question. The solution is BOTH electric action like sound and electric action like wind are equally important in our Universe. The trick is that although both are important in our Universe, the question was which do YOU THINK is important, and in this case all we think is important is the electric action like wind, and the electric action like sound is rarely discussed.

You cannot directly relate Gravity to Electric forces, because the Electric Forces are known to be 10 E 40 ( 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000 )
times more powerful than gravity. So any attempt to connect Gravity to Electric forces must be able to explain this huge difference in magnitudes.
If the connection were direct, we wouldn't have this huge difference between the magnitudes.

This is part of the Galaxy Rotation Problem otherwise known as the Missing Mass problem. In a nutshell, the mass of all the objects in a Galaxy, is not sufficient to hold the Galaxy together. We observe a galaxy appears to rotate as a single entity, and yet we cannot find enough mass to hold everything together. There is just too much Space between the masses, for Gravity to be responsible for holding a Galaxy together. So the scientists have come up with many fanciful ideas to explain away this missing mass, like Dark Energy, Dark Matter, the Higgs Boson etc etc.

Tesla's Dynamic theory of Gravity solves the Galaxy Rotation Problem, because he makes Gravity dynamic, not a static potential, a dynamic potential. That is gravity can be transformed into some other form of energy, likely static electric, and this transformation is indirect, not direct, which explains the magnitude difference. I should point out, the transformation is a 3-Dimensional transformation, not just a 2-Dimensional one. There is an intermediate force, which governs or controls, the transformation of electric force to gravitational force. Because it is a trinary relationship of forces, it has been difficult for us to visualize, understand and explain the connection.

Realize the Galaxy Rotation Problem arises, because we are simply not considering all the forces at work holding a Galaxy together. Gravity is most definitely not the only force at work across a Galaxy. Space may be empty of mass, but it cannot be empty of charge or field, ever, else it would cease to take up volume. We have this misconception that Space devoid of matter, is empty, when this is surely not the case. Matter and Space are connected, they are made of the same stuff so to say. Anything in Space, is going to be negative to Space. Like matter and space are opposite poles. We cannot have matter, without an opposing measure of Space around it.
This is our fundamental charge to mass ratio ( e/m ) of which I discussed.

Understanding ( e/m ) charge to mass ratio is what led Tesla to his Dynamic Theory of Gravity. Some quick math:

If we use the mass of the proton as m, and the charge of an electron as e. We get approximately, 1.6 E -19 / 1.6 E -27 for e/m which equals 10,000,000. However our units for m are in Kg, so if we convert to micro grams the result becomes 10. We can get close to 1 !!. So what I am trying to show here, is that the mass of the proton, is almost exactly in balance with the charge on the electron, when we consider proton mass as being balanced by charged space. If we convert our mass to micro grams instead of Kilograms, the mass becomes 1.6 E -21. Note E-21 and E-19 is E-40, which is our ratio of strength of gravity to electric field. This math may seem a bit odd, but this is not coincidence these numbers work out.
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