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Old 07-13-2012, 07:28 AM
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Coil reverses (by grace of Natural response) its polarity (magnetic and electrical) when "left alone", idling, not "injecting" a purposely reversed electrical flow(Symmetry)
That is not correct, Ufo.

The magnetic field is a rotational movement in/of the aether. What happens when you drive a current trough a coil is that the current runs around in circles, creating a vortex in/of the aether, which is what we call a magnetic field. This is very, very much like spinning a flying wheel.

Now imagine taking a piece of rope and attack that to the side of a flying wheel. When you pull the rope round the flying wheel starts rotating. As long as you keep pulling and pulling round and round, you pull the rope and the flying wheel starts spinning faster and faster.

The moment you stop moving your hand, the flying wheel continues spinning and will pull at the rope. It will drag your hand along. IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

In other words: the direction of the force on the rope changes polarity. It changes from your hand pulling the flying wheel to the flying wheel pulling your hand.

With a coil, the same principle applies. The magnetic field does NOT change polarity and the current trough the coil winding also continues in the same direction. What does change is that the coil, instead of "sucking" current from your battery starts "pushing" the current to the load.

And that means that the *voltage* changes polarity, but the magnetic field does not.
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Rotating magnetic fields, current tech motors.

Hi lamare!

The rotating magnetic field we refer to when talking about these motors is just the alternation of poles to -emulate- a smooth rotation in the scale of interaction we are working with.

Check out Wikipedia - Rotating Magnetic Field for a visual.

With time we will do it better, more like you mention.

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Hi Ufo
Just watched your Asymmetry to enlightenment video
Very impressive
A question ,
how is the witches c emf value calculated as in 12.1 -9.1volts ?
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Just watched your Asymmetry to enlightenment video
Very impressive
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how is the witches c emf value calculated as in 12.1 -9.1volts ?
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Hello Jumping Flea,

Thanks.

Watch:Peter Lindemann -- Electric Motor Secrets - YouTube

All My Data is Based from Mr. Lindemann's Video...above.

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Hi lamare!

The rotating magnetic field we refer to when talking about these motors is just the alternation of poles to -emulate- a smooth rotation in the scale of interaction we are working with.

Check out Wikipedia - Rotating Magnetic Field for a visual.

With time we will do it better, more like you mention.

Best wishes,
matt

G Day Lamare,

The Main problem We all have been "miss-informed" about...

Is a Real Fact...That I have proven all along...and I will keep doing it...

There is "An Artificial Magnetic Field", created by Our Means...and that is the one shown, and "visible"...
It is a huge mistake to "believe" they are both "The Same Phenomena"...that is not correct...

There is "Another One"...Completely Natural, and Completely Different in Manifestations and Laws...just like Gas exist deep inside our Earth , but as an Inexhaustible Source of Power... this Natural Magnetic Field/Electricity, exist and have existed everywhere, not only in our Planet...but in the whole Universe...and is Free...

"All We need to do, in order to capture it"...is a very simple "device"....just like an Igniter, triggers and Flames out a Natural Gas flow , leaking from an Earth Crack...

Then We turn Off...our Igniter...We got Fire...


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Hi UFO,

I have a question about the pulsed solid state circuit in your 'Asymmetry to Enlightenment' video. Is this he correct thread to be discussing these ideas or are all your projects being dealt with through the 'My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines' thread now?

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I have a question about the pulsed solid state circuit in your 'Asymmetry to Enlightenment' video. Is this he correct thread to be discussing these ideas or are all your projects being dealt with through the 'My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines' thread now?

Thanks!

JJUK
Hello Dear JJUK,

It is Ok here...or in the thread related to Oscillators and Static Coils...My First one...However, I will not be "picky" about it...

This Thread I open it before My Machines...it relates basically to the "Politics" behind this Mutilation to Science...as also to bring here any Symmetry or Asymmetry differences or discussions...

However, I think what your question would be...The signal is wrong at pulsing Mosfet...N-Channel...right?...Yes it is...it should be pulsing at Upper side of square wave...a little twist of the whole animated Wave and light...will have made it correctly...
I did that video in such a hurry...to make it before 12:00 Midnight of July 10 Th...Tesla's Birthday...I barely made it by a few seconds...lol

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Hi UFO,

I went away for the weekend and have spent a whole morning reading the motors thread just to catch up. It's great to see such an enthusiastic embrace of your ideas but there's just so much info to keep abreast of. How you find time to do it I really don't know. (I've got to force myself to do some work this afternoon so that my family doesn't starve!).

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However, I think what your question would be...The signal is wrong at pulsing Mosfet...N-Channel...right?...Yes it is...it should be pulsing at Upper side of square wave...a little twist of the whole animated Wave and light...will have made it correctly...
I didn't actually spot that mistake I have to confess! I was busy looking at the big picture more than the detail. The question that I have may well expose my ignorance but having had the weekend to mull it over and still not having been able to come up with an answer I thought I'd better stick my head above the parapet and satisfy my curiosity.

The answer that you gave adilu on the motors forum talked about the Push-Pull action when a coil is pulsed and convinced me that I had understood the basics of the principle that you have described. But what I am not sure of is what limits the quantity of radiant energy that a coil can capture when in its "Negative Induction" phase. Is it merely when the coil reaches saturation? If so, when building a solid state device I am assuming that the timer should be adjusted or tuned so that each new pulse occurs at the point at which the coil reaches saturation. And does the pulse duration have an effect on the duration of Negative Induction and thus radiant energy capture? Is it better to saturate the coil with the pulse or not?

With this in mind but taking the concept a step further, is it possible to tap the coil when it is in its Negative Induction phase so that saturation is never reached and the coil continues to pull in radiant energy. In this fashion the pulse is merely acting to prime the system. In my mind I envisage the process to be akin to siphoning a reservoir (radiant energy) with a hose (coil) into a bucket. The hose is primed once and then the water will continue to flow indefinitely whilst there is water remaining in the reservoir and the hose remains below the waterline of the reservoir and not in the bucket. If you were to put a float on the end of the hose and then put the hose in a bucket with its rim above the waterline then the flow would stop once the bucket had filled (coil saturation). In order to restart the flow the bucket has to be drained and the hose re-primed (pulsed). However, if the bucket has a hole in the bottom of a size such that the water flows out of the bucket (something is now draining energy from the coil) as quickly as it enters then the water will continue to flow until the reservoir falls below the level of the bottom of the bucket. I am working on the assumption that the reservoir is being topped up by streams etc at a rate equal to or greater than the rate at which it is being siphoned. Otherwise we're all in trouble!

I could of course be making a fool of myself. Regardless, I would value your opinion.



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Hi UFO,

I went away for the weekend and have spent a whole morning reading the motors thread just to catch up. It's great to see such an enthusiastic embrace of your ideas but there's just so much info to keep abreast of. How you find time to do it I really don't know. (I've got to force myself to do some work this afternoon so that my family doesn't starve!).



I didn't actually spot that mistake I have to confess! I was busy looking at the big picture more than the detail. The question that I have may well expose my ignorance but having had the weekend to mull it over and still not having been able to come up with an answer I thought I'd better stick my head above the parapet and satisfy my curiosity.

The answer that you gave adilu on the motors forum talked about the Push-Pull action when a coil is pulsed and convinced me that I had understood the basics of the principle that you have described. But what I am not sure of is what limits the quantity of radiant energy that a coil can capture when in its "Negative Induction" phase. Is it merely when the coil reaches saturation? If so, when building a solid state device I am assuming that the timer should be adjusted or tuned so that each new pulse occurs at the point at which the coil reaches saturation. And does the pulse duration have an effect on the duration of Negative Induction and thus radiant energy capture? Is it better to saturate the coil with the pulse or not?

With this in mind but taking the concept a step further, is it possible to tap the coil when it is in its Negative Induction phase so that saturation is never reached and the coil continues to pull in radiant energy. In this fashion the pulse is merely acting to prime the system. In my mind I envisage the process to be akin to siphoning a reservoir (radiant energy) with a hose (coil) into a bucket. The hose is primed once and then the water will continue to flow indefinitely whilst there is water remaining in the reservoir and the hose remains below the waterline of the reservoir and not in the bucket. If you were to put a float on the end of the hose and then put the hose in a bucket with its rim above the waterline then the flow would stop once the bucket had filled (coil saturation). In order to restart the flow the bucket has to be drained and the hose re-primed (pulsed). However, if the bucket has a hole in the bottom of a size such that the water flows out of the bucket (something is now draining energy from the coil) as quickly as it enters then the water will continue to flow until the reservoir falls below the level of the bottom of the bucket. I am working on the assumption that the reservoir is being topped up by streams etc at a rate equal to or greater than the rate at which it is being siphoned. Otherwise we're all in trouble!

I could of course be making a fool of myself. Regardless, I would value your opinion.



JJUK

Hello JJUK!

Well a great question there...the examples are awesome...I love the "Bucket" idea!...

The way I have interpreted as per my experience and tests...I will try my best to explain it...so please be "open minded"...
The way Radiant Field gets excited...is not through our Electrical Field at all, so looking from electronic flow end, will not help to understand this phenomena at all...but on the contrary...will make it more difficult to "digest"...
Radiant Field gets excited through our Generated Magnetic Field into open space. Now the means of making that happen from our end, is obvious we need electronic flow in coil...as Amps and Voltages...but what defines the "Incoming Reversed Radiant Field" is our Huge Magnetic Pulse out...then at the point we collapse our magnetic field drastically at zero time, zero electrical values...Radiant drives in at a faster rate, at a faster frequency and intensity. RE enters at our Times Off, looking at our Square Wave...From here I have tested playing with the duty cycle and Frequency...as with voltage intensity...and there are certain points when she enters constant and robust...and other that does not occur the same, so I have to increase, scale up my magnetic field strength to achieve same parameters...As I have observed many other effects that affect "Her" to increase or decrease...like certain types of Light Spectrum...basically Ultra Violet rays...

The Final frontier to make it "usable" is to store the Radiant Energy in High Frequency Capacitors...then process back to Hot side...it is not "usable" to run our equipment as is in Her "Original State"...
Another great advantage is Her capacity to induce "negatively" through air, without any loss...through Isolated and Non Isolated Secondaries...We could create as many "branches"(outputs) as we want with just One Coil Pulsing...and that is awesome.

Now you have mentioned something very interesting, and reminded me I have to disclose that...as to finish those videos and diagrams...and it relates exactly to what you are "conceiving" it could be done...and incredibly you are very right...I will explain....
There is a type of connection, a very simple one...that we have to make between Diodes Oscillator and Coil...and basically is just one single wire...I call it "Enhanced Mode"...when I do that, Radiant Enters super strong at first shot...first pulses...but once I have it On, for a small period of time...I can physically disconnect the negative pulses from oscillator...and Radiant will stay...however, and exactly like you have said...if we pull too much load...she will simply go...disappear...that we have to "re-dial" to get her back again...


Hope this explain-answered, somewhere near your questions.


Regards


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The Beardon Free Energy Collector

Excellent Post 159 JJUK And UFO Guru

Maybe of interest.. The Beardon Free Energy Collector as shown on the Naudin site http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/tbfnrganm.gif ..( and The Bearden Free Energy Collector for explanation) Can this be of use here?

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Maybe not

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Thank you very much for your considered reply UFO. I've been away again for a few days which is why I was unable to post a response sooner. (Just wanted to make sure that you realised I hadn't been ignoring your efforts!) I have some more questions but need to mull them over before I push them out for public consumption. Looking forward to reading the next stage of your disclosure that you mentioned in your reply.

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Maybe of interest.. The Beardon Free Energy Collector as shown on the Naudin site http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/tbfnrganm.gif ..( and The Bearden Free Energy Collector for explanation) Can this be of use here?
Hi AV,

Thanks for the link. I think I see why you've posted it. The 'Bearden Free Energy Collector' is not something that I was previously familiar with. Something else to read up on and try to understand...

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You are welcome JJUK,
Basically put, - Beardon's "dont kill the dipole" statement, is reflected by the Naudin schematic in as much as connection is broken before current can flow.
As I understand it, the idea is to only use potential to fill the cap.... - free energy
It would be nice to find a full working circuit that does this.

Ramp generator schematics can bee seen at Ramp Generator Circuit | Electronic Circuit Directory
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Hello JJUK!

Well a great question there...the examples are awesome...I love the "Bucket" idea!...

The way I have interpreted as per my experience and tests...I will try my best to explain it...so please be "open minded"...
The way Radiant Field gets excited...is not through our Electrical Field at all, so looking from electronic flow end, will not help to understand this phenomena at all...but on the contrary...will make it more difficult to "digest"...
Radiant Field gets excited through our Generated Magnetic Field into open space. Now the means of making that happen from our end, is obvious we need electronic flow in coil...as Amps and Voltages...but what defines the "Incoming Reversed Radiant Field" is our Huge Magnetic Pulse out...then at the point we collapse our magnetic field drastically at zero time, zero electrical values...Radiant drives in at a faster rate, at a faster frequency and intensity. RE enters at our Times Off, looking at our Square Wave...From here I have tested playing with the duty cycle and Frequency...as with voltage intensity...and there are certain points when she enters constant and robust...and other that does not occur the same, so I have to increase, scale up my magnetic field strength to achieve same parameters...As I have observed many other effects that affect "Her" to increase or decrease...like certain types of Light Spectrum...basically Ultra Violet rays...

The Final frontier to make it "usable" is to store the Radiant Energy in High Frequency Capacitors...then process back to Hot side...it is not "usable" to run our equipment as is in Her "Original State"...
Another great advantage is Her capacity to induce "negatively" through air, without any loss...through Isolated and Non Isolated Secondaries...We could create as many "branches"(outputs) as we want with just One Coil Pulsing...and that is awesome.

Now you have mentioned something very interesting, and reminded me I have to disclose that...as to finish those videos and diagrams...and it relates exactly to what you are "conceiving" it could be done...and incredibly you are very right...I will explain....
There is a type of connection, a very simple one...that we have to make between Diodes Oscillator and Coil...and basically is just one single wire...I call it "Enhanced Mode"...when I do that, Radiant Enters super strong at first shot...first pulses...but once I have it On, for a small period of time...I can physically disconnect the negative pulses from oscillator...and Radiant will stay...however, and exactly like you have said...if we pull too much load...she will simply go...disappear...that we have to "re-dial" to get her back again...


Hope this explain-answered, somewhere near your questions.


Regards


Ufopolitics


I was wondering about the bucket idea and the aether flow. I was thinking about a joe cell. It sounds like a Joe cell, where you charge the cell for a short time then let it sit. It gains a charge over time. Maybe we can put one of your motors into the middle of the water of a joe cell to get a continuous flow. Or pipe the joe cell to the UFO motor just like they do under the hood of a car but not touch the UFO motor. You could start the UFO motor as per usual , then reduce it down to pulses untill the aether lets over. then completely. For one day in the future.

Anyhow, i haven't had time to make a motor as yet. Painting, landscaping, renavating and the new baby within the next 6weeks. I like the new pentagon design. I would like to do that instead of the V shape in the hobby motor.

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Respect again, Turion; for desire to find the Truth (and as we see it's pretty expensive way).

By hearing can tell the motor's overloaded, and does not have run-out time, it's obviously stressed (I see the same on my rewinded ones).
If you look at the standard, industrial DC brushed motor and make a winding diagram of it you will see a very smart pattern - here's two of my motors (attach), 10 poles 12V 8A two stator's magnets and TWO (!!) electromagnets creating by winding (in fact it's one single wire of armature connected to each commutator's bar and giving maximum torque at ANY given time and armature position), and in fact it's one magnet and one electromagnet trying to align to each other with a great force (four or six magnets requiring four or six em-magnets accordingly for max torque).

And from other hand look at any rewinding diagram, it's always only part of electromagnet creating a force, only ONE pair at the time, it simply can't create a bigger torque; that's why the same set of brushes allowing to use unused coils for generation (and with Lenz counter-emf of course - just put a real load on it, not CFL). And don't mention twice more wires used in re-winded motor.

So, hope somebody else get a guts to show comparability of two same motors with the SAME amount and gauge of wire and with at least input readings of both.
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Respect again, Turion; for desire to find the Truth (and as we see it's pretty expensive way).

By hearing can tell the motor's overloaded, and does not have run-out time, it's obviously stressed (I see the same on my rewinded ones).
If you look at the standard, industrial DC brushed motor and make a winding diagram of it you will see a very smart pattern - here's two of my motors (attach), 10 poles 12V 8A two stator's magnets and TWO (!!) electromagnets creating by winding (in fact it's one single wire of armature connected to each commutator's bar and giving maximum torque at ANY given time and armature position), and in fact it's one magnet and one electromagnet trying to align to each other with a great force (four or six magnets requiring four or six em-magnets accordingly for max torque).

And from other hand look at any rewinding diagram, it's always only part of electromagnet creating a force, only ONE pair at the time, it simply can't create a bigger torque; that's why the same set of brushes allowing to use unused coils for generation (and with Lenz counter-emf of course - just put a real load on it, not CFL). And don't mention twice more wires used in re-winded motor.

So, hope somebody else get a guts to show comparability of two same motors with the SAME amount and gauge of wire and with at least input readings of both.
Any time you like...
I will burn in crispy smoke one of those motors you are building there...whenever trying to compete with My Machines Torque...

Put your MONEY...where your fingers are writing...want a video of it getting burnt?
Wanna bet?
How much?
Let's do it ANYTIME you please...
You do it on your end I will do it on mine...
I am tired of your BS...Make your own Thread about that Old Crappy Motors...let's see how many viewers you will get...

In the meantime...Do this tests to that "Toy Motor"you built there...

20090823173537 - YouTube

TEST TWO, OPPOSED PENTAGON WIRING DESIGN, SULLIVAN MOTORS - YouTube




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I am tired of your BS...Make your own Thread about that Old Crappy Motors...let's see how many viewers you will get...
UFO
Hey, I told u get yr pills before hitting keyboard
I don't care about viewers and I'm not on yr thread, u can pull somebodies legs, but not mine
Get FO from here to yr corner
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Hey, I told u get yr pills before hitting keyboard
I don't care about viewers and I'm not on yr thread, u can pull somebodies legs, but not mine
Get FO from here to yr corner

It seems you ONLY like My Threads?
I mean there are so many Threads on this Forum!!...Why you only "pick" on mines?
Does it hurts "that much" and "that bad"?...
I am very sorry about your problems, but sooner or later you will need some help.
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I mean there are so many Threads on this Forum!!...Why you only "pick" on mines?
Does it hurts "that much" and "that bad"?...
I am very sorry about your problems, but sooner or later you will need some help.
I don give a F for yr "thread", not even talking to u and u here like a jack from the snuffbox.
Problems're all yrs, it's very noticeable
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Problems're all yrs, it's very noticeable


YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN ANY OF MY THREADS!
Isn't THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

SO GTF OUTTA HERE!!
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Isn't THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?
SO GTF OUTTA HERE!!
I don't give a sh-t for your welcome;
This's an open source, get your own site and rule there who's worthy to post who's not.
Until than get it as it is; clear enough now

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Hi UFO.

Intriguing work, i'm having some fun using CEMF myself

When i click on your unlisted youtube links in this thread it says "Sorry - this video is private", how do i view them please ?


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Intriguing work, i'm having some fun using CEMF myself

When i click on your unlisted youtube links in this thread it says "Sorry - this video is private", how do i view them please ?


Thanks,
Hello gvision,

Well if you are having fun using CEMF...then You should not like what I am doing to it......

The videos should not list as "Private"...but as "Unlisted", meaning everyone having the link, should be able to see them...
Below are the two links...if still, can't see them, please let me know.

ONE_ENERGY_METER_READOUT_TEST_1 - YouTube

MECCALTE IMPERIAL RUN 2 - YouTube

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An Interesting Book to Review...

Hello to All,


It has been a while since I do not post here...but recently I found a very interesting Book that is free (as pdf) below is the Link:

HOW EINSTEIN MADE ASYMMETRY DISAPPEAR:
SYMMETRY AND RELATIVITY IN 1905


To anyone interested...We can start a nice review of this great Book, right here.

I want to thank Member Raphael37 for posting the original link to this Book on his recent thread My Asymmetric SWASTIKA NANO Machines


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Hi UFO politics

Read this - The First Transformer in the wolrd had been made by Russian Physicist Invertor Павел Николаевич Яблочков 1876 also First Asymmetric Electrodynamic Motor 1877 had been his invention together with many other his inventions. From text you will find patent numbers. So Asymmetric motor is 150 year old technology.

If you are interested you can find his Asymmetric Capacitor patent and his over unity test in presence of the most prominent scientist that time. Try French patent office !!

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/apple.htm
*усские электротехники (fb2) | Либрусек



Павел Николаевич Яблочков

Родился в Саратовской губернии, 14 сентября 1847 года. В 1866 году окончил Военное Инженерное Училище, в 1871 году был произведен в чин поручика и в 1872 году уволен со службы. В 1875 году он поехал в Америку на Всемирную выставку изобретателей в Филадельфии. К этому времени у него было изобретен электромагнит с обмотками необычной формы, придававшие магниту особую силу. Но денег на поездку не хватило и Яблочков остался работать в Париже у Бреге, в мастерской, изготовлявшей знаменитые часы и другие физические приборы.

Первый патент Яблочкова выдан французским правительством на электромагнит №110479 от 29 ноября 1875 года. Отличительной особенностью электромагнита Яблочкова было то, что его обмотка была образована из плоской ленты, намотанной на ребро, так что плоскость ленты была перпендикулярна к сердечнику.

Второй патент № 111535 от 17 февраля 1876 года также упоминает о применении ленточной обмотки.
23 марта 1876 года он получает патент на "свечу Яблочкова".

В 1877 году он получил французский патент на магнито-динамо-электрическую машину переменного тока, в которой как намагничивающая обмотка, так и обмотка, в которой индуцировалась ЭДС, оставались неподвижными. Аналогичные машины использовали конструкторы Клименко, Кингдон, Томпсон и др. Изменения магнитного потока происходили за счет вращения зубчатого железного диска. Фактически, это одна из первых схем АЛЬТЕРНАТОРА. При такой конструкции нет контрЭДС и почти нет торможения ротора, особенно если он не железный, а ферритовый, то есть минимизированы потери в роторе, создаваемые токами Фуко.

Имеется французский патент от 1876 года на электростатический генератор Яблочкова.

13 сентября 1877 года в Русском Физико-Химическом Обществе был сделан доклад Проф. Егорова об изобретениях Яблочкова, в том числе по вопросу "введения больших конденсаторов в цепь машины-генератора для увеличения мощности ламп".

Французский патент № 115793 от 30 ноября 1876 года описывает первый трансформатор, изобретенный Яблочковым: "...в любой точке цепи я включаю индуктирующую катушку, через которую проходит ток от источника тока. Далее я помещаю надлежащим образом вторую катушку, в которой первая индуцирует ток."

Позднее он получает аналогичный русский патент от 6 апреля 1878 года.
В немецкой "Истории трансформаторов" Уппенборн пишет: "В 1878 году мы встречаемся с первым опытом промышленного применения индукционных катушек для освещения; в этом году Яблочков взял немецкий патент №1630..."

Изучая явления резонансного преобразования энергии в трансформаторах, Яблочков нашел способ увеличения мощности во вторичной цепи. В 1877 году он взял французский патент № 120684 от 11 октября 1877 года на "Систему распределения и усиления атмосферным электричеством токов, получаемых от одного источника тока..."

В описании он указывает на следующее: "...я заставляю динамическое электричество, доставляемое источником электричества, претерпевать двойную трансформацию - сначала в статическое электричество, а затем снова в динамическое... я соединяю проводник, идущий от машин переменного тока с ВНУТРЕННЕЙ обкладкой Лейденской банки или конденсатора особого устройства, а второй провод соединяю со свечой."

Асимметрия цилиндрического конденсатора, которая не наблюдается в плоском конденсаторе или в современном металлобумажном конденсаторе, позволяла получать индуцированное электричество большей мощности, чем расходовал источник. Яблочков пишет: "Включение конденсаторов не только позволяет распределить ток по разным направлениям, но имеет еще целью развить атмосферное электричество, которое аккумулируется в конденсаторах... Поэтому сумма количества электричества, посылаемая в источники света, больше, чем количество электричества, доставляемое первоначальным источником тока". Крупнейшие французские физики той эпохи, например, Маскар и Варрен-Деларю присутствовали при опытах Яблочкова и получали, что сумма токов от обкладок конденсаторов в землю превышала в 2 раза силу первичного тока. Увеличение силы тока особенно отмечалось при наличии в цепях катушек. Фактически, Яблочков развивал внедрение резонансных трансформаторов. Однако, также важен принцип асимметрии электрической индукции в цилиндрических конденсаторох: источник подключен к внутренней обкладке, а нагрузка - к внешней. Очевидно, что изменение заряда на внутренней обкладке лейденской банки приводит к изменению заряда на внешней, но не наоборот. Можно сказать, что геометрия конденсатора определяет причинно-следственную асимметрию.

Книга "Электрическое освещение", изданная в 1883 году Дю Монселем, пишет: "Для того, чтобы увеличить световую мощность электрических свечей, Яблочкову пришла мысль применить конденсаторы большой поверхности".

Другой аспект заключается в преобразовании "динамического электричества" в "статическое". При непосредственном подключении нагрузки (лампы) к источнику возникало соответствующее увеличение тока потребления. Но если электричество накапливалость в конденсаторе, то нагрузка могла быть включена не в цепь источника, а в цепь между обкладкой и заземлением. Фактически, цепи нагрузки и источника не были замкнуты.

Интересная схема генератора Яблочкова "Эклиптика", патент 1882 года, использует особую суперпозицию намагничивающей обмотки: ось вращения ротора (вторичной обмотки) лежит под уголом к оси магнитного потока.

Парижская выставка 1878 года, сыгравшая такую роль в успехе Яблочкова, была местом, где началась драма в его жизни. Именно на выставке у него возникла мысль реализовать свои идеи в России. Он выкупил за миллион франков свои изобретения у Французского Общества и уехал в Петербург, где основал "Товарищество Электрического Освещения и изготовления электрических аппаратов и машин в России" и построил завод на Обводном канале. Конкуренция с газовыми компаниями ти его финансовая неопытность привели к краху предприятия. Разочаровавшись в возможности развить свою деятельность в России, Яблочков в 1880 уехал обратно в Париж.

В 1887 году он взял патент на гальванический элемент, использующий водород и кислород для производства электричества. В процессе химических опытов Яблочков подорвал свое здоровье. В 1893 году он вернулся в Россию, в Петербурге заболел и скончался в 1894 году в Саратове.

Среди его патентов есть первый трансформатор, первая промышленная осветительная свеча, резонансные индуктивно-емкостные цепи, топливный элемент, альтернатор и электромобиль.


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And now one qute serious question for you UFO politic

Is is TRUTH that more than 4 Millions Americans have been abducted and many never founed by Evil Alien Race.

IS is TRUTH that Obama and US Governement made secret agreement with Alien Forces and 26 Alien Officer work in Top Secret US Navy bases together with American Military personal ??

What can you say us about the Biggest Alien Base under Sausalito in the huge underground vaults remained from WW2 and big submarine entrance on the seabed of Richardson gulf.

I was watching interview Most Famous American Psyhologist John E.Mack who had examined more than 1000 abductions and made regressive hypnotic technique to unlock blocked memory of victims. He was killed by ILLUMINATI CABAL in England i think in London downtown.

Also i have many informations about Evil Alien Forms so if you want you could open new EVIL ALIENS THREAD and to public discuss many "UNSOLVED" cases by world governements !!

I THINK WILL BE VERY INTERESTING AND AMAZING TO PEOPLE FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT ALONE IN COSMOS AND TO GET CLEAR IDEA IN MIND THAT THERE EXIST MANY VERY EVIL ALIEN RACES WHICH INTERESTS ARE IN DERECT CONFRONTATION WITH OUR !! (OUR=MANKIND)

IS IT TRUTH THAT IN US MANY UFOLOGIST WERE KILLED LAST TIME BY JOINT EVIL ALIEN-US GOVERNEMENTS TEAMS ??

check this resource by Dr. Bob Koontz and one Very famous American surgeon with many proofs of EVIL ALIEN IMPLANTS - MIND PROGRAMMING - ZOMBIE TECHNIQUE AND ALIEN SURGERY ON OPEN BRAIN and other human organs.

Web Site of Dr. Robert W. Koontz* www.DoctorKoontz.com
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thank you : SERG V. for the info


also mentioned here : ( a quick google search lead me here )

Jablochkoff's patent no. 120684 - regarding electrostatics & ionization

yes thanks.


THE KEY to Free Energy is Asymmetric Approach in all fields. Cos Asymmetry is Dynamic and Simmetry static (balanced) effect.

Avramenko gave us one very strange constant. He called it Quantum key. Strange things happened when experimenting on exactly 3.73KVolts.

Possible explaniation 1st Aetheric or Etheric threshold - Some kind of Etheric Energetic barrier.

We need to find proper frequency or frequencies (Burst Pulses) and phase to tunnel through Etheric dimension like US governement did in famous Philadelphia Experiment when many sailors were missed forever.

And again Asymmetric Coild have been used !!

Also remember Tesla Asymmetric Magnifying Transformer !! His original Aetheric Pump in Wardencliff have had 3 coils. Primary one wound of heavy copper bar, Secondary inside primary but with weak coupling and third Extra coil. If you look on geometry you will find perfectly Asymmetric Geometry closing with huge torroidal Asymmetric Capacitor. Tesla controled TeraWatts Power and we can't couple of tenth kwatts.

What a shame for today "science" which only know how to destroy elemental particles. Where is there Creation ?? Why they don't take some particles and made new useful Element. One word answer -IGNORANCE - TOTAL IGNORANCE of people with Nobel Prize Badges !! And they say they "know" only 5% of all interactions in Cosmos. I know they don't know nor 0,0005% of all interactions. How they will know than our Cosmos is Infinite and Every Time interval he is expanding tremendous spped!! Expanding in What ?? In nonexistence ??

So back to Real Sources of Cosmic Knowledge THE Slavonic Aryan Vedas
(Source for all Indian Vedas - The Slavonic-Aryan Vedas have been given to ancient Dravides and Nagas tribes in Ancient India but they have failed to save it in the way which had been given to them. Fortunatly the Ancient The Slavonic-Aryan Vedas have been saved on huge lands of Siberia.


Some parts from Slavonic-Aryan Vedas

THE BOOK OF LIGHT

In the True Primordialф
exact than in Infinite New Reality
had spilt mighty powerful stream
Life bringing, shiny Inglia,
Primordial Life borning Light
in New Reality had been born
various Universes and Realities
of worlds Jav, Nav and Prav.
And as nearer to Primordial Source of Light
had been settled these Universes and Realities
in various shining Worlds
the more so dimensionalities all of these
Magnificent Universes and Realities had have.
....
....
Like a branches of tree had joined
Primordial Life borning Light
Leafs of Realities of our World Tree
with mighty shining trunk.
And every Leaf-Reality had shone infinitely,
iridescent blazing Light of various Suns
while the trunk of World Tree had extended
with numerous own roots
in Infinite New Eternity
borned in New Reality.

etc.etc.

So very intersting. BIG BANG HAD BEEN LONG TIME AGO AND STILL IS. OUR UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING. BIG BANG STILL CONTINUE .....


I HAVE TRILLIONS OF QUESTION BUT NO ONE ON THIS PLANET HAVE ANSWERS FOR ME !! MAYBE IS SOLUTION TO MAKE PERSONAL UFO AND GET OUT THERE ... IN SEARCH FOR ANSWERS .... OR CHANGE MIND FORM AND AGAIN GET OUT OF THERE .... WHO KNOWS ??
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I can understand why an ac motor would be asymmetric, if we look at normal ac induction in a transformer the current changes direction, but is dc asymmetric thats the question.

If we pulse a transformer with dc it appears to be asymmetric because of the bemf collapsing into the coil changes the polarity of the coil, but is a coil powered with steady dc asymmetric.
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Relatively speaking..

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I can understand why an ac motor would be asymmetric, if we look at normal ac induction in a transformer the current changes direction, but is dc asymmetric thats the question.

If we pulse a transformer with dc it appears to be asymmetric because of the bemf collapsing into the coil changes the polarity of the coil, but is a coil powered with steady dc asymmetric.
"steady dc"
I think DC is very asymmetric but, as we know, all systems tend towards balance. So relatively speaking, yes, but no.

Also, if I may add. I find solace in that everything is cyclical.

Hey UFO,
How are those rotating transformers coming along?

cheers,
matt
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