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Can't help it. That was beautifully done, UFO - brought out the poet in me.
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Can't help it. That was beautifully done, UFO - brought out the poet in me.
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Thanks Guys!

Thanks Bob Smith and John G!

I am still putting it together...lot of work to make this vid's from scratch...but am getting there.
I am sure, once that you get the "Main Idea" it will be very easy to understand it and Make them...

I have gone through so many different stages to get here...!!

But finally I've found where the trick was hidden...and I always be thanking Nikola Tesla and Tom Bearden...they both have the whole thing together, each one in different ways...Tesla conceived the Asymmetrical Structures since his first motors...and Tom Bearden did his great research on the Asymmetry seizing...let's call it the "Political side"

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I watched the video. This is a tremendous in sight for us working these motor-gen units. The animations were the best I have seen.

Getting the rotor and magnetic feild moving in the same direction is one of the things we have to do.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Sharing is RECEIVING. In that I mean as we give freely what GOD has given us, He will continue the flow of knowledge, In what we are pursuing. Great time to be living in.
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Good video, very instructive. Waiting for the next

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I watched the video. This is a tremendous in sight for us working these motor-gen units. The animations were the best I have seen.

Getting the rotor and magnetic feild moving in the same direction is one of the things we have to do.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Sharing is RECEIVING. In that I mean as we give freely what GOD has given us, He will continue the flow of knowledge, In what we are pursuing. Great time to be living in.
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Good video, very instructive. Waiting for the next

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Sounds good to me... patiently waiting.

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Sounds good to me... patiently waiting.

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Hello Larry,

Humanity has been also patiently waiting for One Hundred and Thirty Two Years...
Did you finish your oscillator circuit?...I am also waiting for your conclusions...

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Hi UFO
I'm getting there... going very slow... life keeps getting in the way. I did get my fets though. I ordered an adjustable DC to DC converter for cheaper than the LM317 costs In fact I bought 10 of them, because I can see several projects I can use them for.

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Till they come in (in July ), I will use a wall transformer for my 12V.
I am getting ready to build the coil, but I need to ask a question first. In your introductory to the "My motor got me to ...." thread you said that a hollow core coil would be better than a solid core and said you would explain later, but then I have seen discussions about different cores... should I build a hollow core coil or what should I use? After all I have read I still don't know what the volts and frequency we should expect out of the primary coil. Of course that will be the BEMF so it might be hard to get an exact figure.

I have to keep thanking you for your generous disclosures. You my not know, but you are helping me at so many levels. Can't wait to see how all this ties together I only know how I think they do.

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Humanity has been also patiently waiting for One Hundred and Thirty Two Years...
Did you finish your oscillator circuit?...I am also waiting for your conclusions...

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I'm getting there... going very slow... life keeps getting in the way. I did get my fets though. I ordered an adjustable DC to DC converter for cheaper than the LM317 costs In fact I bought 10 of them, because I can see several projects I can use them for.

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Till they come in (in July ), I will use a wall transformer for my 12V.
I am getting ready to build the coil, but I need to ask a question first. In your introductory to the "My motor got me to ...." thread you said that a hollow core coil would be better than a solid core and said you would explain later, but then I have seen discussions about different cores... should I build a hollow core coil or what should I use? After all I have read I still don't know what the volts and frequency we should expect out of the primary coil. Of course that will be the BEMF so it might be hard to get an exact figure.

I have to keep thanking you for your generous disclosures. You my not know, but you are helping me at so many levels. Can't wait to see how all this ties together I only know how I think they do.

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The lm317 is pretty cheap at Radio Shack...maybe 3.00 USD...

A hollow core would work great, bifilar winding , meaning double strands 18 awg wire, attached in parallel...the more strands the better Larry...so if want to go Quad filar...better. Go 200 to 300 turns on a 2 Inch core.
It works also with steel core...(Ferromagnetic Resonance), but the steel will end up magnetizing one way, if it is not treated...so what happens is after a while of use it takes more frequency levels on our side to climb up Radiant...

You should expect milli amps of Input and Hundreds of volts at output Larry...The Input Frequency could be from 100 to 800 Hz...Output 1500 to 2500 Hz...
But again, the capability of your oscillator to reach clean, fine signals is the key to obtain better results...

By the way, I do not like transformers in this set-up...they induce flux Noise into the signal circuit...even if you rectify them with top of the line diodes (ac/dc bridge)...still leak.

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Voltage Regualtors

Is there no cheaper source than Radio Shack?
In Europe we get a LM317 for 1.20 while radio shack sells it for $2.99 / Digikey $0.80
A possible alternative could be LM7812 fixed 12V regulator (Europe 0.65, Radio Shack 1.99 / Digikey $0.70 )

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- LM7812 input recommended below 36V (good for 2 lead batteries) / 1 Amp max. with cooling (only 2 additional caps needed) A resistor in series at input allows higher voltages.
- LM317 input recommended below 50V (good for 3 lead batteries) / 1.4 Amps max. with cooling
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Is there no cheaper source than Radio Shack?
In Europe we get a LM317 for 1.20 while radio shack sells it for $2.99 / Digikey $0.80
A possible alternative could be LM7812 fixed 12V regulator (Europe 0.65, Radio Shack 1.99 / Digikey $0.70 )

Limits:
- LM7812 input recommended below 36V (good for 2 lead batteries) / 1 Amp max. with cooling (only 2 additional caps needed) A resistor in series at input allows higher voltages.
- LM317 input recommended below 50V (good for 3 lead batteries) / 1.4 Amps max. with cooling

Hello John Stone,

Yes Digikey is the cheapest place...the only thing, I really do not like to wait for days on a part I know could buy it off RS...or NTE...

Now, there is a superior one to the LM317, that allows 3Amps...not sure which one is but it is within the LM3 numbers...and it is not the LM337 Negative V Reg...that goes same 1.4 A...

The thing I really love about this LM317 is that they ever go bad!!...they reset after a crash...and as long as you keep them cool they perform excellent...Mines live in a "Royal Suite"...Brush-less Fans...Super-duty Heat Sinks...and lots of "extra room"...lol

However, we only need one of this things per circuit...not like Mosfet's though...where the more we parallel the more robust the switching power is...


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+I have a couple of spools (pictured below) with a 2.5" core and 4.5" outer I had the spools made with a 3D machine at the college where I taught electronics for a while. BTW they are mounted on a solenoid motor I build from scratch I did the engine on a CNC mill I designed all parts and did the CAD work and ran the machine. The spools have 100 turns of 18 or 20awg (I can't remember maybe 16AWG) wound Quad filar each. Quad filar is hard to wind and I am not sure I would wind again if it were multi-layers.




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The lm317 is pretty cheap at Radio Shack...maybe 3.00 USD...
The DC to DC converters (if you will check the link) were only $1.80 each with shipping included. If they don't work out, as I said I can use them in other projects

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A hollow core would work great, bifilar winding , meaning double strands 18 awg wire, attached in parallel...the more strands the better Larry...so if want to go Quad filar...better. Go 200 to 300 turns on a 2 Inch core.
It works also with steel core...(Ferromagnetic Resonance), but the steel will end up magnetizing one way, if it is not treated...so what happens is after a while of use it takes more frequency levels on our side to climb up Radiant...

You should expect milli amps of Input and Hundreds of volts at output Larry...The Input Frequency could be from 100 to 800 Hz...Output 1500 to 2500 Hz...
But again, the capability of your oscillator to reach clean, fine signals is the key to obtain better results...
If this were a normal system if you raised the voltage then you would decrease the Amps by the same proportion so if you had milli Amps and low voltage then with hundreds of volts coming out then you would have micro Amps out. Is this what I would expect?

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Transformer is temporary and will be replaced with the DC to DC converter when they arrive. Some wall transformers are switching (like laptop charger/supplies) and shouldn't give flux induced problems.

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That would be the LM350, but be careful and check the power dissipation it doesn't necessarily mean 3 amps at the max rated voltage. Heat sink and fan will raise the out put Amps.



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Yes Digikey is the cheapest place...the only thing, I really do not like to wait for days on a part I know could buy it off RS...or NTE...
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Hey Ufo,

Thanks for clarifying in what context Asymmetry can be used. I was only approaching this from a single perspective of inbalances.
More research is needed to ascertain the total scope of how asymmetry interacts with Electrodynamic machines and their relationship to the variables


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I see this Asymmetrical motor concept just as Tesla desribes (patent 524,426) with the inbalance in the length of the pole pieces cause a magnetic phase difference. Each set of coil pairs will exhibit a time delay in proportion to the core of the coils length and thus create an inbalance of magnetic flux to each coil pair.

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Nope...You got it "kind" of wrong there...

Asymmetry DOES NOT refers to the structural, nor the disposition of coils, Nor the length ...BUT, to The Way they Interact between each others.
Not by "Unbalance" either, my friend...they could be perfectly balanced, and as a matter of fact, an unbalanced electrodynamic machine will never run "even"...or "balanced"...

Asymmetry refers to an Asymmetrical Interaction, where Pairs or Groups of Coils are NOT aligned TO INTERACT in a "Symmetrical Array"...Capische?

Symmetrical Interactions mean to "Self Cancelling Magnetic Fields" in a "Symmetrical Fashion"...like Tom Bearden writes...Killing the Dipole in every turn.
Now whenever you leave that Coil or Dipole free, idling for a few seconds...then you broke the Symmetry...

I hope you understood now...

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There is an abundant amount of variables that I could implement as to what context the asymmetrical systems will be achieved in your Tesla inspired designs. Time will tell.
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I have to interject here as I had read you state this before. Putting the fets in parallel only increases the amount of current they will handle, but doesn't increase the voltage they can handle. In order to increase the voltage they could handle you would need to series them and that would present it's own set of problems to this circuit. Tell me what I am missing.

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However, we only need one of this things per circuit...not like Mosfet's though...where the more we parallel the more robust the switching power is...


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Now, there is a superior one to the LM317, that allows 3Amps...not sure which one is but it is within the LM3 numbers......
What about LM350? It is pin compatible to LM317. The input voltage over output voltage is 35V at LM340 while 40 V at LM317. Look for a local source at eBay i.e.

The 3 Amps are good for instant high current surges. But please take in account that a TO220 case will enable less than 2 Watt heat dissipation without additional cooling - independent of the semiconductor contained therein (LM340, LM350, LM317, LM7812).

Example: LM317
Thermal resistance chip to case = 4 Kelvin / Watt
Thermal resistance case to ambient = 50 Kelvin / Watt
Total: 54 Kelvin / Watt


Ambient = 25 C (enclosed in a case will rise i.e. up to 45 C)
Total chip temperature: 150C
Differential: 125 C

Calculation:
Free air: 125 C / 54 C per Watt = 2.3 Watt as absolut maximum
In a case: 105 C / 54 C per Watt = 1.9 Watt as absolut maximum


This chip does not die if temperature exeeded but will reduce current and thus stop its function as regualtor.
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Finally I found the circuit schematic I lost many years ago. It is a kind of jewels we should always have !

12 Volt 30 Amp Power Supply

a way to construct stabilized large amperage power supply using limited output current IC. I bet the same could be done using lm317.

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I have to interject here as I had read you state this before. Putting the fets in parallel only increases the amount of current they will handle, but doesn't increase the voltage they can handle. In order to increase the voltage they could handle you would need to series them and that would present it's own set of problems to this circuit. Tell me what I am missing.

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Hello Larry,

Yes I know Fet's in Parallel will increase Amps...that is what I meant by "robust"...

Sorry about my Non Patient "Statements" written above...Larry!!...

The Fet's I use (NTE2397) are rated 400Volts...I still, have blown many...but, because of my errors...


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EFTV # 5 + 13: Electrodynamics

Hey Ufo,

Between experiments I have managed to watch EFTV # 5: Hidden Electrodynamics and is an older Bearden with a more simple/expanded theory. I had seen it when I recieved my DVD in May 2011 but for some reason had not come back to watch it again, till last night.

Thanks for the re-inpiration my friend.

Also, EFTV # 13: Electrodynamics, It's Origins, History and Struggles was the newest DVD he made describing this issue.

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Nikola Tesla great words...

" I work for the future and my contemporaries will not understand me , but one day scientific laws will prevail, laws of nature which secrets I have discovered,... and everything will change , like when you clap with your hands..."


"The Scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of a planter-for the future. His duty is to lay foundation of those who are to come and point the way"

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Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.

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Thanks Boguslaw!

Love those quotes from DR Nikola Tesla!

Amen to them!

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Thanks Ufo for starting this thread, Just just a beginner in electronics, electromagnetics.Zero knowledge , A good start in learning Assymetrical Systems. thanks
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tesla s electric car may have been driven by an asymmetrical motor powered by the medium
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Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic and this we know it is, for certain then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

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