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#31
05-29-2012, 10:00 AM
 scratchrobot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171
Quote:
 Originally Posted by xee2 Hi woopy, I am a big fan of your work. Here are some text book style answers to your questions. The "cold electricity" is actually RF frequency AC. When you have sinusoidal AC the voltage is half the time positive and half the time negative. On a scope you can see this, but on a voltmeter the positive and negative parts cancel each other out. So the meter reads zero (because the meter can not respond fast enough to show the changing voltage). The current is also half of the time going one way and the other half going the other way which causes a DC amp meter to read zero since the needle can not go back and forth as fast as the current so it just stays put. This will also cause a compass held near wire to not be effected by the AC current since again the needle can not go back and forth as fast as the current changes. The wire around the battery is the secondary of a transformer with the primary being the current flow in the battery. Current is flowing out of the battery at RF frequency. Putting a capacitor across the battery will reduce this RF current flow in the battery. Note that in many circuits high voltage spikes are being fed back into the battery which can be capacitively coupled to a plate. As the frequency of the AC increases the current flows more and more along the surface of the conductor (including you). At RF frequencies the current is only hundredths of an inch deep and not as deep as the nerves in your skin. That is why you do not feel a shock from RF current. However, if the current is strong enough it will burn your skin (called RF burns).
Thanks for explaining 'cold electricity' it is indeed RF frequency AC and explains all the magic
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#32
05-29-2012, 10:02 AM
 scratchrobot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171
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 Originally Posted by Guruji Wow you managed to bend the top of the cap?!!!! Mine I made a cut and had to do silicone. Maybe I will try to bend it open next time as you've did. Thanks for sharing.
Next time i will try a simple can opener
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#33
05-29-2012, 10:04 AM
 scratchrobot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171
Quote:
 Originally Posted by woopy OK Boguslaw here is probably what you wanted to see good luck Laurent charging by induction approach 3.wmv - YouTube
Thanks woopy, i love your experiments, keep up the good work
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#34
05-29-2012, 10:06 AM
 scratchrobot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171
Finally got the time to draw the circuit i used in my experiments, i don't know if it is any better than the simple version of the kacher presented here but i had a lot of fun with it.

kacher.pdf
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#35
05-29-2012, 11:24 AM
 Guruji Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 849
Kacher

Scratchrobot does this Kacher charge source battery or it's like a bedini motor?
Thanks
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#36
05-29-2012, 01:34 PM
 scratchrobot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Guruji Scratchrobot does this Kacher charge source battery or it's like a bedini motor? Thanks
No this is just the driver circuit. With this circuit I did al the experiments i show on my youtube channel.
I never tried to charge a battery and there are no magnets but many circuit's on this forum are similar indeed.

I like this circuit allot and i am planning to make the 555 part variable so i can change frequency. But the antenna is also very nice to get things in resonance. If you look at the end of this video you see you can also get streamers from the antenna and circuit keeps working fine.
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#37
05-29-2012, 02:41 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
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 Originally Posted by scratchrobot Finally got the time to draw the circuit i used in my experiments, i don't know if it is any better than the simple version of the kacher presented here but i had a lot of fun with it. Attachment 11240
Very nice circuit. It seems to work well. Thanks for posting. Have you tried putting a series capacitor on the antenna input so that only AC is coupled in? Then you could touch the antenna to surfaces that have a DC voltage. Not needed if you always keep an air gap between antenna and the surface.
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#38
05-29-2012, 04:54 PM
 scratchrobot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171
Quote:
 Originally Posted by xee2 Very nice circuit. It seems to work well. Thanks for posting. Have you tried putting a series capacitor on the antenna input so that only AC is coupled in? Then you could touch the antenna to surfaces that have a DC voltage. Not needed if you always keep an air gap between antenna and the surface.
No I did not try that, i will try that thanks.
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#39
05-30-2012, 03:03 AM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
@ woopy

After looking at your induction video with wire around battery again, I do not think I was correct when I said it was acting like secondary of transformer. The current in the battery is not flowing in proper direction and there are not enough turns to get over 350 volts. Rather, it seems to be just another way of making a capacitor plate. You certainly do come up with some very interesting circuits. Thanks again for sharing your results.

You could check the capacitor coupling theory by replacing the wire around the battery with a capacitor (maybe 1 uF) connected to the negative or positive terminal of battery (whichever forms the outer case of the battery).
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Last edited by xee2; 05-30-2012 at 05:32 AM.
#40
05-30-2012, 10:37 PM
 woopy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 383
Hi Xee2

that's a very constructiv proposal

so i used my second (not coil wrapped ) battery as power supply , and i connected one lead from a Micro wave owen HV cap (MOcap ) in place of the wrapping, with a connection to the negativ of the battery, and from the other lead , i connected a wire to the " captret" of the " cap avramenko- to car coil.

and it works very well

in a first time i placed the MOcap against (in contact ) the battery, but than i noticed that i can separate the cap from the battery with even better results.

But further more i got even better results when i connect the neg of the battery to one of the MO cap and connect the CAPTRET of this cap to the other ( Avramenko MOcap to car coil )'s captret.

By writing this post i understand why it is very much easier to produce a video with explanation than explain with 100 words

Sorry it's too late for making a video

will do it as soon as possible
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Thank's

Laurent
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#41
05-31-2012, 01:50 AM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
@ woopy

EDIT: You should be able to see the AC on battery terminal using scope set to AC input (or use series capacitor). Caution, will be at least several hundred volts. Ground scope to the earth ground.

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Last edited by xee2; 05-31-2012 at 05:34 PM.
#42
05-31-2012, 07:44 AM
 marxist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 181
@scratchrobot,
thanks for publishing your mosfet kacher circuit. So far I only managed to set up 'one transistor oscillators', simple circuits like in woopy's videos.
Your circuit with the mosfet driver seems to be more advanced and more difficult to build (i.e. it has more components and connections). But tempting ....

What is the purpose of the 1nF 3kV cap across the source and drain of the mosfet? How did you determine that it is needed?

@woopy,
I am also experimenting with charging a microwave oven capacitor in "captret style", i.e. using the capacitor's case as a third plate.
The cap still has its resistor inside and I manage to charge it quickly to more than 500 V. Nevertheless, it is almost impossible to make a spark jump to the other cap electrode/plate, even when the spark gap is set very narrow.
Is this the same for you ?
And is this why you use the Epcos surge arrestor? Does the spark jump more easily when using the Epcos?
Or can you also get a reliable spark using an ordinary spark gap instead of the Epcos?

Looking forward to your next video, exploring xee2's proposals.
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#43
05-31-2012, 07:50 AM
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#44
05-31-2012, 02:31 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,441
Finally after baking one MJE13009 transistor trying to run kacher from 230->30V transformer I managed to run it using MJE13007 transistor from 12V 7Ah battery.
This comment was very helpful : Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Now the second issue is : can I interrupt the kacher output at chosen frequency , like 50Hz for example ? can somebody help ?
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#45
05-31-2012, 04:15 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
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 Originally Posted by boguslaw Now the second issue is : can I interrupt the kacher output at chosen frequency , like 50Hz for example ? can somebody help ?
The upper frequency limit is set by coil self resonant frequency. To lower frequency put capacitor in parallel with either coil. If transistor is not fast enough it can limit frequency also. MJE13007 should work up to several MHz.
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#46
05-31-2012, 07:58 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,441
Quote:
 Originally Posted by xee2 The upper frequency limit is set by coil self resonant frequency. To lower frequency put capacitor in parallel with either coil. If transistor is not fast enough it can limit frequency also. MJE13007 should work up to several MHz.
Thanks.Seems I resolved problem by placing irf630 between emitter and ground of mje13007 and driving it from oscillator type. Because I'm not good in electronics it took me two days to construct circuit and probably will take another two to make a board in copper. I wonder if I can check the output waveform somehow without damaging scope ?
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#47
05-31-2012, 08:35 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
Quote:
 Originally Posted by boguslaw I wonder if I can check the output waveform somehow without damaging scope ?
Make a two resistor voltage divider. Length of largest resistor value needs to exceed length of spark that circuit can make.

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#48
05-31-2012, 08:46 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
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 Originally Posted by boguslaw Seems I resolved problem by placing irf630 between emitter and ground of mje13007 and driving it from oscillator type.
I suspect you are turning it on and off which amplitude modulates the signal. And that the actual oscillator frequency is still being set by the coil
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#49
05-31-2012, 09:32 PM
 woopy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 383
Hi Xee2

yes your circuit works, but i can not say if it is better than the other config yet .

But it seems that in any case the connection to a good ground add a lot of output power in my case.

Hi Marxist

I did not test other spark gap as this Epcos (surge arrestor ) in this system.
Probably due to the fact that it worked so well from the first attempt.
Will consider to experiment a open air SG.

hope this helps

good luck at all

Laurent
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#50
05-31-2012, 10:34 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
Quote:
 Originally Posted by woopy Hi Xee2 yes your circuit works, but i can not say if it is better than the other config yet
I think they should be about the same. This is my interpretation of your basic circuit. Very similar to basic Tesla coil circuit but you have very unique implementation.

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#51
06-01-2012, 07:34 PM
 Guruji Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 849
So this circuit gives more output?
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#52
06-01-2012, 09:41 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Guruji So this circuit gives more output?
Maybe, maybe not. The intent was to try to show a simpler diagram of the circuit so that the functioning of the circuit could be more easily understood.
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#53
06-02-2012, 08:20 AM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
@ woopy

This is my interpretation of your actual circuit:

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#54
06-03-2012, 11:39 AM
 Guruji Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 849
Build this

Today I've build this circuit but nothing is coming
I used 2n3055 with alot of turns secondary and 2T primary. Is it maybe with this transistor I should do more than 2T?
Thanks
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#55
06-03-2012, 01:23 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,441
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Guruji Today I've build this circuit but nothing is coming I used 2n3055 with alot of turns secondary and 2T primary. Is it maybe with this transistor I should do more than 2T? Thanks
Yes, indeed it is hard to get it running especially with low voltage like 12V input. I checked that it runs by using simple device : one turn of wire attached to AV plug and then to LED. LED is lit near the running kacher and even 1.5m far from it. Also the ac/edge electronic detector is indicating field exactly like Don Smith presented in his 2001 video. I have managed to get a nice violet plasma about 1cm long but many times it require then you touch the output wire with a metallic object or ground connection. It looks very nice like a small laser saber. Of course it works if you place coil vertically and output is not attached to any larger diameter wire.
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#56
06-03-2012, 07:27 PM
 Guruji Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 849
Quote:
 Originally Posted by boguslaw Yes, indeed it is hard to get it running especially with low voltage like 12V input. I checked that it runs by using simple device : one turn of wire attached to AV plug and then to LED. LED is lit near the running kacher and even 1.5m far from it. Also the ac/edge electronic detector is indicating field exactly like Don Smith presented in his 2001 video. I have managed to get a nice violet plasma about 1cm long but many times it require then you touch the output wire with a metallic object or ground connection. It looks very nice like a small laser saber. Of course it works if you place coil vertically and output is not attached to any larger diameter wire.
Thanks Boguslaw I will try with higher voltage. Regarding the wire around the battery it should be done as a plate yes? I mean all wire shorted.
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#57
06-03-2012, 08:09 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,441
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Guruji Thanks Boguslaw I will try with higher voltage. Regarding the wire around the battery it should be done as a plate yes? I mean all wire shorted.

Oops, sorry . I said about bare kacher circuit, I don't have the additive woopy used, just bare kacher part.
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#58
06-03-2012, 08:13 PM
 Guruji Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 849
Quote:
 Originally Posted by boguslaw Oops, sorry . I said about bare kacher circuit, I don't have the additive woopy used, just bare kacher part.
I saw the woopy vid again and the wire he used is insulated. Ok I try this.
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#59
06-03-2012, 09:04 PM
 xee2 Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 580
@ Guruji
I recommend using boguslaw approach of getting the oscillator working first and then adding other parts.

@ boguslaw
Congratulations on your success. You seem to have great performance.
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#60
06-03-2012, 09:24 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,441
Quote:
 Originally Posted by xee2 @ Guruji I recommend using boguslaw approach of getting the oscillator working first and then adding other parts. @ boguslaw Congratulations on your success. You seem to have great performance.
Thanks, but remember that this plasma output is only from the end of secondary wire which is 0.18mm thick. After I connected some piece of HV cable to this end, plasma "laser saber" is lost. Power used : 12V at around 200mA. It took me many days to find a working schematic and figure out that at such low power level it require to touch top terminal with metal to activate.
Also I found it strange that any chokes placed on both positive and negative connection to battery prevented oscillation of circuit.
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