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I came across this video on YouTube and thought it worth posting here.
![]() Video #1: Amazing Magnet Motor/Gen Rep. - YouTube Video #2: Amazing Magnet MotorGen 2 / 2 - YouTube My gut tells me this is a fake because the device is not on a glass table. ..also because the guy says don't try to replicate. ..therefore, that is a pretty good indicator that it's a fake. What do you think? Regards, Vidbid |
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First Part of Document Translated
Hi Vidbid,
Below is my translation of the first few pages. I'll try to do more the next couple of days. I hope I've accurately captured - had to insert some punctuation to run-on sentences. At least it will give people an idea of where this person is coming from. Corrections welcome. Bob The magnet motor by Rovella Tiziano is very interesting and working on YouTube. You will find it on the internet by typing in, “motore magnetico di Rovella.” The simplicity of construction borders on impossible, as you see. It seems like a spoof, but to the rigor of logic, it appears to be self-sustaining due to the reaction of the two electromagnets which take energy from the toroids and at the right moment, throw it back in synchronized fashion; the foul deed occurs when the magnetic toroid (for example, the right-hand toroid) energizes the right bobbin, which feeds the left bobbin, which at the proper moment enters into a reaction with the right magnetic toroid, and it is only this action which becomes effective because it enters into play with the force of the magnets – one permanent, one electric. It is necessary, therefore that within the bobbin the reaction current is able to flow outward when the reed is on the right, looking at it from the running side, if it opens, and the right-side toroid approaches in front almost after having abandoned the bolt (5 degrees). There is an instant of aperture/opening which is very short and occurs when the magnetic f.c. [field?] (the reed) finds itself close to the bolt at the moment when the induced tension has begun to diminish. Well then, if the induced tension is observed with an oscilloscope, you should notice a large voltage spike (sovratensione) with a vertical decline [which is] reciprocally occurring in the other left flux-generating bobbin in contraposition (pushed) – as you can see below: DIAGRAM Here (Couldn't paste it in) The reed is normally closed, apart from the magnet’s action. It seems to me to be something to replicate to amuse the great fathers of physics. I am asking them permission to replicate, along with a few details on the magnetite, or better stated, polarized toroidal ferrite, which is much heavier than the supermagnets and the merit of being circular, and with an ample bore of 10mm can trigger the simultaneous phenomenon of attraction and repulsion, and there is the effect of kinetic energy which enters into the dance. The nut under the bearing is there for the stated law governing the bore and forces in play, FLUXES AND CURRENTS. The point of calibration is the moment of opening and closing of the excited magnetic relay at the minimum distance from the toroids (at about 3 degrees before and 3 degrees after remains ineffective (?interdetto)) is the point to determine to get the system to work. The 2 LEDs light up in the presence of induced tension on the bobbin, and this happens in a particular moment (when the right hand bobbin becomes excited by the magnets which are joined together by the opposing part of the magnetic “f.c.” (field?) beyond the right-hand bolt. The magnets’ flux is initiated to invest the head of the bolt, which being an inert element, attracts the toroid. But the variation in flux creates a tension in the bobbin in an almost rectangular alternating form which has its maximum value when the head of the bolt has the magnet overhead. The tension impulse finishes when the periphery of the toroid is beside the magnetic relay, but still holding 50-60% influence on the bobbin. In the mean time, the left-hand bolt has a raised current, given by the right-hand bobbin, which is the impulse-generator. Rising thus, the head of the bolt magnetizes with the same polarity as that of the toroid and pushes it in a noticeable way toward the end. In as much as this is a magnetic reaction between 2 equal polarities, there is therefore a motive coupling which self-sustains with rising speed until it overcomes the friction and beyond. |
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LOL - I guess I didn't have to OCR it as it wasn't an image but I think it would have been about the same as the OCR is fairly good. Here is the 2nd document run through google:
1 03/04/2010 Terni. to gastone The motor magnetic Rovella Titian is very interesting and running on you tube, find it on the internet beating engine magnetic Rovella The structural simplicity bordering on impossible, as you see. It seems an outlet for a ride, but logically it seems a self sustaining due to reaction of the two electromagnets that draw power from the torus and appropriately if the toss in sync; the crime occurs when the bull magnet (eg. right) energizes the right reel that feeds the left and to the turn enter into reaction with the magnet bull left, and it's just that this action becomes effective because it calls into play the forces of a permanent magnet a Electric. It is therefore necessary that the current flowing in the coils of reaction, when the reed is in right side looking maneuver, and opens the toroid dex approaches him in the face almost abandoned after the bolt. (5 °) There's a moment that lasts a very short opening and is when fc magnetic ( reed) is close to the bolt in a moment that the induced voltage has begun to decrease, then, if the induced voltage observed with the oscilloscope, you should noticed a big surge with dash vertically thereto, each other takes place in the other left reel generating flow in 2 opposition (thrust) see below: The reed switch is normally closed off by the action of the magnet. It seems to me to be replicated for the amusement of the great padreterni physics. I ask him for permission to reply and clarification on the magnetite or more polarized toroidal ferrite which has much more weight and has the supermagnets advantage of being circular, with a large air gap of 10 mm can trigger the phenomenon of attraction and repulsion at the same time and there is the effect of energy Kinetic comes into play, under the nut to the bearing is what that law for the air gap and the forces at play, FLOWS AND CURRENTS. The calibration point is the moment of opening and closing the magnetic relay energized at the minimum distance of the toroids (approximately 3 ° before and after 3 ° remains interdict) is a operating point to be determined. The 2 LED light for the presence of voltage induced on the coils and this occurs at a particular time (when the 3 right coil is energized by the magnet, which comes from the opposite side of the F.C. Magnetic beyond the right-bolt, the flow begins to reel invest head of the bolt, that being an inert element attracts the toroid, but the variation of flow creates a tension coil in the form of alternating almost rectangular, which has its maximum value when the bolt head has the toroid completely above it and ends to have the voltage pulse when the periphery of the toroid is located Next to the magnetic relay. In this meantime, the left bolt undergoes the current that is given by right reel, which is generating an impulse, in the subject to this, the head of the bolt is magnetization sign equal to that of the torus, which rejects it so remarkable and in motion, as it is a reaction between 2 magnetic polarity equal, then it is to exist a drive torque that is self supporting with increasing speed up to overcome the friction. This phenomenon will last over time. The two LEDs are lit only when the bolt heads are in the zone of action of toroids. Then almost simultaneously. induction is the phenomenon of value of initiation of the LEDs about 1.5-2 volt pulse, and this tension can be connect directly. Very little is the magnetic flux that interlinks with the iron of the bolts, but effective create a suitable polarity to the attraction and repulsion sufficiently to win the friction. It is estimated a constant speed of about 160-180 revolutions / 1 '. I think that the use of toroids is more crucial because of the large supermagnets surface they have. And for this reason, besides the mechanical one used the aluminum shield is not necessary that the parts on the basis of the 3 bolts. 4 5 . 6 The cost of the magnets is 5 euro cd. His address is: tiziano.rovella @ tin.it Personally I say it could be a big hoax, but first I have to sincerare because now I am sure that the laws of thermodynamics in these cases does not mean anything. It is the motor's magnetic Perendev in concept but other version is. The architects of the movement are actually two coils that react with The rotating toroids. (but creates an electromotive force collects passively with its presence, drive torque of attraction, the other draws power and creates a reaction much stronger than the repulsive attraction here is at least 2 or 3 times because it runs in that verse). The coach, I think it has a specialization in robotics and must raise it. To increase the speed should be done with the powder cores of electromagnets iron is not in solid bolt, the head should be treated with a mold to form the salient pole much more effective as a reaction; also the rotating part would be from 7 tiziano better care because he had to use an elastic band to support better than the 2 toroids, under current conditions there are no magnets in slightly arcuate that would form pairs ideal for rotation. Since the rotor tends to remain in equilibrium 90 ° from the junction of 2 rolls or bolts must be given the first start, that is, prepare it, and then everything happens. It's like nell'altalena the child and how the wheel Orffyreus. The question on the magnetite is polarized: the north-south face is identical in both, or is opposite to have the reaction of the other coil? (Maybe even if you put the donuts in the same direction polarization, only to act on the senses of the coils and you're done) First of all I would like an answer on the possibility of replication of the design that, among those inspected so far, it seems to me the most interesting and original inexpensive in all directions. A great toy to keep at home near the billboard "thermodynamic Mass K.O. from electrodynamics "is just the electricity that you win well gravitation see the lifter and one of my toys eighteen years 50 '. Thanks in advance. No answer, but it does nothing it will be annoyed if I have time I set about it, but with supermagnets rectangular cross-drilled much more effective and iron filings with resin on the coil. (Careful with those guys might not work and it takes a long gap weight) This engine unlike the other models have a bivalent behavior: if put the reed (magnetic switches for elevators) on the right is realized the trend clockwise viewed from above, the trend is done vice versa counterclockwise. This is very significant for our fraud and indicates that it can exist at example no battery inserted in the circuit because the functioning of the electromagnets is only in alternating current or pulsating. The fact that it gives more meaning to this toy is generated by the reversibility function of electromagnets (left) (right) that together can become a generator, the other receiver of energy and vice versa. 8 But in this function, which depends on the position of the reed, is played as the principle of operation: it should be noted that the function determining the acceleration is more the receiver coil that creates the same polarity of the ring ferrite determining the repulsion very effective because the magnetization is in a point of the magnetic characteristic of which is many times greater than the attraction depending on the relative permeability of the iron with the induction. I can say that there is no fraud in this beautiful toy building: bravo six Rovella n'a bbestia. |
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I'm posting some images that I took from the PDFs here.
From MOTOREMAGNETIC.pdf : ![]() Figure 1 Link to image: http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6379/figure1g.jpg ![]() Figure 2 Link to image: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8043/figure2.jpg ![]() Figure 3 Link to image: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2668/figure3.jpg and from MOTOREMAGNETICOROVELLA.pdf : ![]() Figure A Link to image: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4543/figurea.jpg ![]() Figure B Link to image: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8093/figureb.jpg ![]() Figure C Link to image: http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/5155/figurec.jpg If someone would figure out where each image should go, then we would have a more comprehensive translation. Regards, Vidbid |
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![]() Desertphile asserts device is a prank, claiming "it is not cleaver to fool stupid people." The 'Amazing Magnet Motor/Gen Rep.' prank video - YouTube What do you think? Regards, Vidbid |
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Motore magnetico di Rovella - YouTube
It looks like the original video was posted back in 2010. Just finding out about it now. Regards, Vidbid |
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![]() So just who is Tiziano Rovella? And what about the email address: tiziano.rovella@tin.it Is he the inventor of this thing? Regards, Vidbid |
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I think, listen or thinking about a Desertphile is only a waste of Time.
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Remarks from Stefan from Overunity.com
![]() selbstbeschleunigende Magnet Motoren.mp4 - YouTube Translated from German using freetranslation.com: "I wanted to show discovered would have you these 2 even accelerating magnets Motore once that I after this user Larskro its video had posted on the 8th of April 2012, was referred then also to the earlier video of user TIZIANO4575, that it already Nov. 2010 had posted. Unfortunately stood with it however in the commentaries also no further references inside how it could then now function. Are both videos now a Fake with batteries hidden perhaps in the spools or functions that really so simply? Because user Larskro posted, one no energy should will waste on the reconstructing and follow the explanation in the next video, take I yet once on that in any case its version a Fake is, asks exactly made has itself then only like he it. What is makes me also startled, that quite no condenser to the storage of induced energy dabe is... Greeting, Stefan." Here's his quote: Quote:
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I looked at this device, and this is the schematic that I came up with.
![]() Let me know if this is what your observed from Motore magnetico di Rovella - YouTube Regards, Vidbid |
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Hi folks, Hi vidbid, your diagram looks right, though not sure about led orientation.
I have a bunch of those ceramic ring magnets, look like same size I got from surplus store awhile back. I wonder if the ring magnets are needed for the effect, I'll assume so for now. I am going to have a look at this, though I fried all my larger reed switches awhile back and only have the radio s. small reeds. Isn't this the kind of stuff konehead does, with shorting the coils at peak or some point. One of Robert Adams motor/generators I think was able to self run once it was sped up to speed, so if this is genuine, then it correlates with what some others have claimed. peace love light ![]() |
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Desertphile is some sort of naysaying freak. Nutcase.
While I thought at first this was fake I'd give it a second thought considering the effort put into the documentation here. BTW those ring magnets look exactly like ones I've gotten out of several Magnetrons form Microwave ovens. |
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genmotor
after watching the video and the guy saying dont Rep. it I have too...
I have the madnets on a hard drive spindal..... Had one coil and reed switch flashing the led....I didnt record that bit but here the build so for! New toy - YouTube |
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How he did it----The second video
@All
Here is his second video showing how he did the "illusion". He shows the circuit diagram in detail. There are two AAA batteries used. One in each coil. Amazing Magnet Motor/Gen part 2. - YouTube Actually this is a nice desktop toy. It is just a simple battery powered reed switch pulse motor but it is a very clever design. If I were to build one I would probably go smaller and maybe run it on a solar cell and a supercap. Lidmotor Last edited by Lidmotor : 04-11-2012 at 05:49 PM. |
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yeah, I guess that Min2oly youtube user was onto something a couple of days ago,
in the comment section: "Batteries are in the coil, don't let the bolts fool you :-)" this comment garnered 19 thumbs up votes until user Larskro sank the post. anyway, I think this second vid is similar to what Romero was doing. He is claiming it is a fake, then he clearly shows a battery which is too large to fit in the coil to cause more speculation.... Patrick |
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I would say. Ok busted.
Even i agree with you minoly, that does not really match to show a Batterie what has the same size as the Coil, even when its possible, cut the Bolt, glue the Coil to the Plate, and glue another nut at the bottom. Its doable. Even when he has some other neat Video, like the JT with the thick wire in it, what increase the inductance, also a rebuild from R. Ainslies circuit, where he had only 0.06 watt more Output as Input, not sure if he did add the heat at his calculation. Can be, that hes now another Ghostbuster. He claims, there is no free Energy, only from Sun and Water. Uhm, ok. Sounds like the challenge to the classical View thenis, that its only free Energy, when you tap it from a bigger System, creating more Energy from a System with lower Energy Circulation is not possible. Ok then. I made a little rebuild from this too. about ~#28 Wire and powered it with a Power Supply. I did need at last about 5.4V,0.60-1Ah DC to keep the Rotor spinning with a reedswitch. It may works better with clean bearings and a smaller core, but that would be for me, what one Coil need to produce, to keep the Motor turning. At the same time you get Drag from the Bolts, what you may can reduce with smaller cores. When turning it by hand, it did produce something about 0.250V AC, but thats still a big Gap. Probatly a Magnet at the other End from the Coil and we get a magnacoaster similar Toy. But then it will be a Project for more then one Day to build. And just wonder, if this Italian Video been the same Guy or had the same 'trick'. |
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![]() Thanks for that link: Amazing Magnet Motor/Gen part 2. - YouTube Well, I guess we can finally close this x-file. Regards, Vidbid |
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whatever.......
Im still playing with it One coil - YouTube |
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Hi folks, to say it has a battery in each coil is just a guess.
What is the purpose of all the jokes and april fools type setups? To me people like lasersaber, it appears, are trying to paint a picture of doubt in peoples minds about this subject, not very constructive, though if lasersaber or anyone else hoaxing devices thinks it is constructive, please explain. Otherwise, I still see this device as a possibility. peace love light tyson ![]() |
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I've made my own claims about my larger and more complex builds.
I really want to find out some day that some one has done it w/ a nice sweet little desktop build, and when they post their vid they actually share the schematic and all - ahead of time - as well as tell everyone to make multiple postings copies etc... that'll be the day... something with absolute proof. my little reed switch window motor can run on a tiny button cell for months. window motor generator with reed - YouTube |
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Mopozco replication----with circuit correction
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Mopozco did a replication of this motor but he had to change the circuit to get it to run. reed switch "motors" - YouTube Patrick-- Perhaps my favorite "simple reed switch motor" was your little bug motor on that air table. That video that you and your son did with all of those bugs running around to the tune of "Flight of the bumble bee" was great. I was sorry that you pulled it down. I learned how to bias a reed switch with a small magnet from that video. That seems like such a long long time ago now. A couple of years I guess. Lidmotor Last edited by Lidmotor : 04-12-2012 at 06:17 AM. |
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Ok, what about the original Italian device ? I think connections were different and reed switch position and size also. Remember that this reed switch has to be normally close if I good read the documentation. Also there is uMetal belt around magnets , very strange indeed and both magnets seems to be unconnected magnetically except using this belt.
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My observation of finer details of a reed switch. I have one setup using a small neo bar on a small rotor with 2 reed switches and each switch alternates two 6 volt bulbs. The switches are about 180 degrees apart. Ive noticed at times both bulbs are on at the same time. Im thinking the higher rpms are not letting the reed switches to totally open or there is too much remanence in the contacts. Once the contact has risen to a certain point there must be a magnetic field collapse given rise to bemf through the switch. Diode? How much would this affect the circuit? I would think there would be a difference between a magnetic field of a permanent magnet and a coils magnetic field. The orientation of the field would seem to matter too in fine tuning. Should the field be parallel or perpendicular to the contact? Is one specific magnetic pole,n/s,a better orientation to the switch for the specific circuit involved? Should the magnetic field,n/s,be pointed at the very end of the contact or vice versus? I would think the weakest field possible to close the contact would cut down remanence or cems. It just seems the smaller physics of this stuff seems important. Just questions in my mind.
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