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Old 04-07-2012, 12:40 PM
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How can these radioactive Thorium plasma batteries be safe?

Come on people… wake up! If these batteries could be sold they would be. Someone would make billions of dollars. If they exist they are probably unhealthy, dangerous, or both. After this is a “nuclear” battery powered by the heavy radioactive metal Thorium, right? I don’t want to grow an extra nose on my ass or become sterile just to save a few dollars at the gas station. I saw the photo of the smiling guy with the mustache holding up a thorium pellet. Does he have cancer by any chance? What does the EPA, CDC, and American Cancer have to say about Thorium and these batteries?

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Safety issue of thorium plasma batteries

I think this link and the attachments you find at this link pretty much says that the health risks are negligible since it is the Th232 isotope used in the battery which has a 14 million year half life!

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Strange reactions..

Am I the only one finding the reactions of "new" members a bit over the top according this Thorium stuff?

Almost looks like some people have an agenda to stop this as soon as possible. I mean, we post thousends of theories around here... But with the Thorium we get some strange reactions, with a lot of pics and text..

Call me paranoid, but it seems to be Thorium is important enough to get some paid shills active.

That can have different reasons; but the main one seems to be Thorium is so simple and usable, they do not want any discussion on it.

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Kill the seed, before it roots...

Nope.

But it was now often like this, when a Thread becomes 'Hot', suddenly a lot new Members pop up, or activate an old Account and try to distract the Discussion about a Device.

I was about to not answer any from this here, because its actually to boring, to bother with some wannabe smartguys, with what Intention ever.


I only ask myself on that, how stupid they really are, they should look around, how our World do look like, what the Heck all is wrong here, how any single Person gets fooled with his Health, Food and Science and Living, but seems they are only to blind and just follow her Agenda. They may got a few Bucks for a good Living, and after them the Flood.
That now really looks like, that they only prefer to think with her Short time Memory.
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I'm starting to think that all these thorium threads have been started by the same person. Posting under different accounts, doing pro and against posts.

A quick glance at all the posts by new users in thorium threads, and you'll start to see the same posting style, and writing style.
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An Admin may can proove it, if its the same User.

Could even be, that its the same Person, what looks for Peoples to develope it.
Or opposite, like jibguy thinks, someone brings the Plans for something what DONT work,
to show afterwards, it all do work.
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Certainly seems like its 'baiting'. I also intended not to respond. My hought was, "Hold it. First you say it can't possibly WORK, or someone would have developed by now, and made a billion $. THEN you go on to express concern of growing a nose on your ass, 'or whatever', due to the radioactivity. WTF!
If it can't POSSIBLY work, because if it did, someone would have done it by now (Good thing orville and wilbur didn't listen to that argument) then WHY are you concerned about the radioactivity of something that can't possibly work, causing you to grow (another) nose on your ass? Actually, while I don't think the poster actually HAS a nose ON their ass, thats pretty close to describing their anatomy, I suspect. Good news is, there's a NEW kind of Dr.; cross between a Proctologist and a Chiropractor; that way they can jerk your head out of your *ss, and straighten the neck back, so it won't go back in. Sometimes, in severe cases, they have to recomend emergency surgery, though.;-( The surgeon installs a plexiglas 'window' in the belly, so at least the patient can see where the H*ll they are going! I recomend an appoitment, for what its worth! Jim
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Well regardless of the original poster in this thread. I would like to ask.

How would a person make one of these batteries in his backyard shed ?
What precautions would be needed in the construction ? Would you like someone
experimenting with thoruim to produce a plasma battery just over the back
fence meters from where your children play ?

Is there a nuclear reaction in a Thorium plasma battery which produces harmful radiation ?

Is it really possible for rank amateurs to make a Thorium plasma battery ?

Does anyone actually think that any company will make and sell a battery
that does not require charging and lasts for 5 years without charging enough
money for it to make it only "just" competitive ?

To me this seems like just another Nuclear tech. If we cant build them in our
back shed from readily available materials then the price will be "fixed" anyway
by the same people who control the price of energy now.

Bottom line is can these things be built in the back shed ? And is there any
danger of people being irradiated by careless experimenters.

Where can I buy some Thorium ? And get the plans ?

There is a case for changing from regular Uranium reactors to Thorium
reactors in places where Nuclear power is used. But I don't think a country
Like Australia which doesn't use Nuclear power should go Nuclear just because
Thorium reactors are safer than Uranium reactors, they are still Nuclear reactors.

Any radioactive power tech requires strict safety procedures both in
construction and use. Should it be any other way ?

This topic is strange if there is suppression of Thorium battery tech then why
not still push even harder for changing from Uranium reactors to Thorium
reactors if you have Nuclear power in your country or area this should be your
number one concern in my opinion.

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Exposing Plasma Battery Technology Suppression - What we can do now

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Is there a nuclear reaction in a Thorium plasma battery which produces harmful radiation ?

Yes, whether the reaction is fission or fusion, Thorium is a radioactive heavy metal but the half live is 14 million years so the radiation level would probably be about the same as a cell phone.

Is it really possible for rank amateurs to make a Thorium plasma battery ?

Tesla, MIT and Harvard Professors would not be considered as "rank amatuers" in my opinion, and we really do not know much about the background of Dimitri Petronov or "Danny". Its best that we do not assume anythng, and maybe you should take a loook at this link:


Did Thorium Plasma Battery Inventor Have Help From Visitors? - Green Energy Reports - Open Salon


Does anyone actually think that any company will make and sell a battery
that does not require charging and lasts for 5 years without charging enough
money for it to make it only "just" competitive ?


I think there is a rush by many to find a way to mass produce a practical plasma battery but I think there is a far greater effort by the oil industry and governments that make huge money on fuel taxes to suppress it. Check out the below links and see what I mean:

The Orion Project - Suppressed Energy Technologies

Suppression document and YouTube

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Another Green Energy Technology suppressed by Government? *|* Peak Oil News and Message Boards

New plasma battery is now restricted to only military applications as DoD robs inventor of fame and fortune. - National Science Foundation - NSF - Zimbio

U.S. classification of documents as secret is out of hand - Los Angeles Times

I think the only thing we peasants can do now is just let everyone we know in on what is happening and perhaps a momentum of public outrage might get someone's attention. After all this is an election year. Maybe a class action law suit against the Pentagon and DoE might do the trick as well.

The Orion Project - The Suppression - YouTube

Thorium Plasma Batteries – The Disruptive Oil Giant Killer Technology *|* Peak Oil News and Message Boards

Suppression document and YouTube

The worst thing we can do is nothing. Although I am not a Jesus freak, I do believe in what Pope John Paul once said:

"Indifference is often the greatest sin."

If we just bit*h about all this amongst ourselves here, not much will change. It is like whistling in the wind. We should tweet and email this all over to everyone who visits a gas pump every week. Or maybe organize a gas boycott where nobody buys a gallon of gas for a month. I think that would do the trick.
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:38 AM
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Possible Legal Solution To PLasma Battery Technology Separation

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I think the only thing we peasants can do now is just let everyone we know in on what is happening and perhaps a momentum of public outrage might get someone's attention. After all this is an election year. Maybe a class action law suit against the Pentagon and DoE might do the trick as well.

The Orion Project - The Suppression - YouTube

Thorium Plasma Batteries – The Disruptive Oil Giant Killer Technology *|* Peak Oil News and Message Boards

Suppression document and YouTube

The worst thing we can do is nothing. Although I am not a Jesus freak, I do believe in what Pope John Paul once said:

"Indifference is often the greatest sin."

If we just bit*h about all this amongst ourselves here, not much will change. It is like whistling in the wind. We should tweet and email this all over to everyone who visits a gas pump every week. Or maybe organize a gas boycott where nobody buys a gallon of gas for a month. I think that would do the trick.
You are right on target. But they got 99% of the money and we have 99% of the bills and grief. I think maybe this might be the answer - A FEDERAL LAW THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO SUPPRESS TECHNOLOGY. But then we'd have get Ron Paul os some other House or Senate member with enough integrity to introduce and push the legislation through.
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Sorry Mate - Greed is larger than all else

Just stop and think Dude... How many billions would be made every single day selling these batteries? They would be far more profitable than oil and the oil companies themselves would monopolize the market. And how the hell could they keep something so big so quiet since 2006? Greed is more powerful than politics.
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First off these new members are over reacting cause they simply don't understand, they hear the word radio active and the freak out " OHHH NO MY HAIR AND NAILS ARE GOING TO FALL OUT" they don't understand that the radio active emissions for a thorium battery are only alpha and beta rays, alpha rays can't even penetrate a sheet of paper, and beta rays can't penetrate aluminum foil the only time when these types of emissions are deadly is when they are applied to the skin for a long time, ingested or injected in to the body. SO to the freaking annoying spammers who don't know what they are talking about need to do their research before they freak out about a harmless battery.
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Just stop and think Dude... How many billions would be made every single day selling these batteries? They would be far more profitable than oil and the oil companies themselves would monopolize the market. And how the hell could they keep something so big so quiet since 2006? Greed is more powerful than politics.
dude are you really serious, a thorium battery would last about 50 years, as soon as everyone had a battery they would stop buying them (DUHH ) which means that the company selling them would no longer have a income, it would be the equivalent of buying one gallon of gas for the entire life of your car which would certainly put quite a few people out of business. Use your brain for once its there for a reason, OR if your just a government troll on some large company payroll just GTFO cause we don't give a **** about you trolls
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No profit to make them. So who will.

Here's what I think. Disregarding the suppression angle for a moment. Who will make the
batteries if it is not profitable ?

Leviathan is correct in one way, as soon as everyone has one the demand
would drop to an unprofitable level. think of it. A company spends millions in
R&D to make batteries that last for 50 years and you think they would price
them for everybody to buy them. Not likely. So who would pay for the R&D
and build the factory and invest the capital for it ? The government ? What a
joke, they can't even un-suppress efficient solar tech. But they are supposed
to work for us. Obviously they don't. The problem is fair and square with the
government and capitalism. The only way a tech like this could be released to
the population is if the political system was kinda socialist. If a "free market"
government it won't happen because it would destroy their future revenue.

Models of socialist non profit societies are not popular, our military machines
and corrupt political constructs destroy those models, greed is GOD in
capitalism. "Free markets" are actually in reality very controlled markets there
is nothing free about them.

Batteries that could power houses and last for 50 years could destroy the
economy and without a fair system in place many would suffer a lot. First
thing is grid power prices would skyrocket, then anyone who could not afford a
plasma battery would be forced to buy their energy from a company at
elevated prices.

If energy companies also used them they would still see the profits they want one way or another.

So who will pay to develop these batteries ?

One other thing is how can anybody who does not know how one works say if
they are potentially dangerous. Even mobile phones are considered dangerous
now but not when first produced. The way some people talk is as if they
know exactly how they work.

I actually disagree with the batteries themselves but only if they could be
dangerously radioactive. I also disagree that they could be implemented with
any real beneficial effect because profit companies would not sell them and if
the tech was open they would find it difficult to make the profits they want.

While we live in a profit driven society profit will be king. Politicians love it
because it means big donations for laws. If we fix that problem and we move forward.

99% of our problems and difficulties as Nations is due to bad government and
an apathetic population toward meaningful change. The baddies won't change
by choice, why would they, they have it good.

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I have something to say about the thorium batteries. It is under the impression that they use some sort of nuclear reaction to generate the power, this is completely false. They generate power from a conversion from radiation to electrical power ( just like a solar cell ) that is why they are harmless, all the radiation is absorbed and used as useful power, a correctly functional unit will have absolutely no radiation output because it is all converted into electrical power. This is very possible with the use of "polarized plasma" of a sort, I know how to create this plasma and I even have some designs I will be testing. I just hope you all realize this is NOT a nuclear reaction this is an absorption of electromagnetic energy therefor has no radio active waste or emissions.
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Hi Leviathan, Fair enough if no harmful radiations are possible I have no
objection to them as far as that goes. But if the technology is suppressed how
do you know so much about it ? And if you know so much about it why aren't
other people building them ? Considering the energy they can supposedly output
there would need to be significant safety control systems just for the electrical
side of things.

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Hi Leviathan, Fair enough if no harmful radiations are possible I have no
objection to them as far as that goes. But if the technology is suppressed how
do you know so much about it ? And if you know so much about it why aren't
other people building them ? Considering the energy they can supposedly output
there would need to be significant safety control systems just for the electrical
side of things.

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Honestly I know nothing about the technology that was initially suppressed
I just have a good understanding of the physics it would require, I am only
reinventing the idea, but I have a good idea of how it would work and will
be testing it as soon as I can. I might not be the only one trying to build
these things, if someone has succeeded they probably they probably
wouldn't tell many people about it, and if I succeed I will tell people anomalously
as possible. The power output is very stable stable because there are no
dangerous nuclear reactions occurring and you aren't changing
the radio active source in any way, simply like a solar panel in front of a light
source, collecting the light does nothing to effect the light source.
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Batteries that could power houses and last for 50 years could destroy the
economy and without a fair system in place many would suffer a lot. First
thing is grid power prices would skyrocket, then anyone who could not afford a
plasma battery would be forced to buy their energy from a company at
elevated prices.
This would apply to any free or cheap energy device.
The system as it is is not fair. Its geared towards profitability for those in control of energy which is CEOs and stockholders which comprise a very small portion of the total population. There are 100 multi-billonares who control almost a Trillion dollars and most are energy related. How many of them get a huge tax break. Its their economics not the masses they worry about. Their apple cart needs to be upset.
How many goods and services can you buy with just 100 Million let alone one Billion? Its ridiculous to stockpile that kind of money for ones self. Its just an outright sin to me when so many suffer.
I did research on the contents of chicken feed from a company that supplys tractor supply. The content was not on the bags. I was given the run around all the way to the top. Still dont know the contents. But I did find something out. Bill gates owns about 2 % of tractor supply stock. Its worth is about $30 million. Its in a non-taxable trust fund. Give me a break!!!
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Affordability & Safety Issues

I agree...If these batteries are not affordable, or can be made affordable when mass-produced, they might be a non-issue for common consumers. But since they are based on Thorium, and less than 8 grams could power an automobile for a lifetime, I calculated that 48 grams would be required for a two bedroom house and 150,000 amps of appliances. Based on this I did some more math based on the cost of unprocessed, raw, Thorium (30 times more abundant than Uranium and current selling for $250 per kilogram) So less than $10 of Thorium is required to power a 2 bedroom house.

But we have to factor in a profit margin and the costs of processing, manufacturing, marketing, sales, packaging, and distribution. So now we are up to $500 MSRP for a battery powerful enough for a 2 bedroom house. Given only a 10 year life cycle that comes out to $50 per year. But the government would surely want to find a way to tax it and probably add a disposal fee as well so now we double the MSRP to $1,000. When factored into the cost of a new home or even retrofitted, what homeowner cannot afford this? Especially when you consider that the average American home owner spends $3,857 a year on electricity. So, the costs and savings are only an issue to those that now greatly profit from metered electricity, and unless they can control and monopolize the new scalable batteries, they will conspire with the oil companies to find devious ways to keep them off the market.

Getting back to Black Sheep Bill's OP, the attached chart shows that radiation is not an issue at all since we already use cellphones that give off the same amount of radiation and we would not be holding plasma batteries for our homes, cars, or laptops less than an inch away from our brains 2 hours of every day. But keep dreaming... the Pentagon will never let even see one of these batteries, much less use one in our cars. We will probably end up paying trough the nose to buy black market plasma batteries that will eventually be made in Russia or China.


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8 Grams of Thorium Could Replace Gasoline In Cars | Libertarian News

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I agree...If these batteries are not affordable, or can be made affordable when mass-produced, they might be a non-issue for common consumers. But since they are based on Thorium, and less than 8 grams could power an automobile for a lifetime, I calculated that 48 grams would be required for a two bedroom house and 150,000 amps of appliances. Based on this I did some more math based on the cost of Thorium (30 times more abundant than Uranium and current selling for $25 per kilogram) So less than $10 of Thorium is required to power a 2 bedroom house.

But we have to factor in a profit margin and the costs of manufacturing, marketing, sales, packaging, and distribution. So now we are up to $500 MSRP for a battery powerful enough for a 2 bedroom house. Given only a 10 year life cycle that comes out to $50 per year. But the government would surely want to find a way to tax it and probably add a disposal fee as well so now we double the MSRP to $1,000. When factored into the cost of a new home or even retrofitted, what homeowner cannot afford this? Especially when you consider that the average American home owner spends $3,857 a year on electricity. So the costs and savings are only an issue to those that now profit from metered electricity and unless they can control and monopolize the new scalable batteries, they will conspire with the oil companies to find devious ways to keep them off the market.

Getting back to Black Sheep Bill's OP, the attached chart shows that radiation is not an issue at all since we already use cellphones that give off the same amount of radiation and we would not be holding plasma batteries for our homes, cars, or laptops less than an inch away from our brains 2 hours of every day.
My question is, How do you know so much about a secret technology ? Where
is the information which states the radiations ? If the Tech is so secret and
suppressed how do you know how a battery is built and what it radiates ?

Besides do you really think thorium will remain the same price. Supply and
demand will kick in. Because the people who own and run the mining
companies are part of the problem.

If your government deems it a national security threat and it isn't, the
government is the problem for sure, what to do about it though. Lobby them ?

The truth is we vote in our governments, we decide who runs them either by
choice or by apathy, the suppression is our own, we should own it we allow it
to be done by our employee's (the government) to ourselves. Our countries to
not belong to our governments. Our governments work for us as our
employees. If any changes are to be made we need to sack the whole lot of
them. And take back control of our countries and the resources.

Multi national companies can buy the resources of a certain country
and destroy the environment while depleting those resources against the
wishes of the people using the laws they pay to have passed to protect and
enable them. Just look at the control they have over us. It is because we
allow it.

No use complaining to a snake for being a snake.

In my opinion the whole occupy wall street thing was misdirected. The real
problem is with the Central Banking System itself and it's ability to control the
government. Our governments have no need whatsoever to loan money and
pay interest, but they do. The question is why and how to stop it.

I think the argument about the safety of these batteries is pure conjecture
and pointless anyway unless there is a major shift in what the people want
and will tolerate as far as government corruption and control goes.

In my opinion if a country cannot close it's borders indefinitely without
starving or risking the safety or well being of the citizens it has a national
security problem And a resource problem mostly caused by the existing money system.

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[QUOTE=Farmhand;191659]My question is, How do you know so much about a secret technology ? Where is the information which states the radiations ? If the Tech is so secret and suppressed how do you know how a battery is built and what it radiates ? [QUOTE]

Green Energy Technology Suppression Exposed

If you go Google and read the links especially this one here, you will see that in 2010 there was quite a bit of information and specifications at Office of Scientific and Technical Information, OSTI, U.S. Department of Energy which is the official database site for the DoE. Sometime in late 2010 all those posts were deleted without explanation. My memory is not photgraphic but I do remember some of the details. You can also still get some information that the censors overlooked, and the physical properties of Thorium are well known. And since only the Th232 isotope would be the most practical and easiest choice it is not to difficult to extrapolate basic conslcusions.
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Temporarily safe?

Okay Excelerator, I read all of your posts and the others so I am NOT ignorant. I am not even confused. Tell where my thinking is wrong here... Even if each of the batteries by itself puts of small amounts of radiation that you say are harmless (maybe true), eventually these batteries will be thrown away and end up where - a landfill? What happens when 10,000 of these old radioactive batteries end up in one place? Doesn't all that collective radiation cause a safety hazard?
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