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Old 04-05-2012, 10:03 PM
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You make valid points.
However, "Patriot" started off by insulting people, who don't fit the map and model of the world, that they are pushing as theirs.

Their whole post is basically nationalistic/patriotic propaganda, that's been used for the past 100+ years to scare people into doing or being a certain way.

Oh and I'll feed the trolls just for the fun of it. Especially in a fishy thread.

As Focus Fusion doesn't use Thorium. <-- If you understand this last statement, you'll understand why I think this thread is fishy.
I whole-heartedly agree with this assessment. This is nothing more than patriotical propaganda expressing not a national viewpoint but a brain-washing spiel of rhetoric that was only missing rohypnol and a baseball bat to get it's point across.
Whether or not this person is trolling is a matter of debate. Troll once, troll twice, troll fifty-thousand times...what's the difference?
However if this person was not a troll then they are obviously oblivious to the new world pulse of a dying heart. This world is being systematically ripped to shreds and fought over due to oil or better yet the lack of available efficient energy. Which brings me back to Thorium. It is far more efficient and abundant than Uranium Oxide. And the man that designed and built the first Uranium nuclear reactor, Eugene Paul Wignor, even said that Thorium was nearly 200 times more efficient than its predecessor and far more safe and user friendly, he just couldn't prove it due to a lack of funding. The government did not care because the waste product of a Thorium reactor can not be used to arm a warhead i.e no plutonium or Uranium235 not to mention they already understood the process, A Thorium reactor was completely foreign to them. It is unfortunate that Alvin Weinberg, his friend, PROVED far too late that Thorium WAS far more efficient and even built a salt water Thorium reactor to prove it. However it is my assumption that if the Doc himself said that Thorium energy is possible then why do we doubt the numerous inventors that say they have harnessed Thorium energy in a lesser form i.e. batteries? We, at this point should not be asking 'is it real?', we should be asking, 'how is it done?' and 'what are the sefety precautions?'...do you feel me? Yes this stuff lets off radiation but it's not like it lets off gamma rays, which will kill you. The amount of radiation is no more powerful than the radiation let off by your cellphone. Guys, this is do-able...we just have to figure out how.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:59 PM
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"Tree Huggers"

I suppose COULD be taken as an 'insult', or as a derisive term. Or, it COULD just be using 'shorthand' to describe people who are focused on the environment.
Even if someone IS 'insulting', not sure it benefits anyone to respond with insults; thats how fistfights and wars start.
And yeah, there ARE a # of smells emanating from this thread, and one of them is distinctly,.....'ocean-like?' Anyway, I guess what I said previously applies not only to THIS thread, but have seen similar bahavior on far too many threads.
Its like we've got this wonderful new 'toy'; the I-net. I REMEMBER what it was like when there wasn't one. I can sit here, and, for free, 'talk' i.e. post, and communicate with people from all over the world, and we can even have a discussion, sharing ideas, opinions, knowledge and experience. And what do we do???? We get in silly pissing contests.
REALLY DOESN'T 'bode well' for humankind, know what I mean? Jim
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:48 PM
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Motherboard TV: The Thorium Dream - YouTube

LFTR in 5 Minutes - THORIUM REMIX 2011 - YouTube

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Yes

I DO like bringing the discussion back to what seems MOST relevent. IS it doable, and HOW to do it. What are the economic considerations, safety considerations. Most relevent to many of us; is it something I can do, myself? Something that maybe is impractical for a centralised, profit driven and market driven developement model, but something 'doable' in my backyard?????
Can we start with the basics? What qualities does THORIUM have, that would (uniquely?)make it a material that you could make a battery out of, that would have the qualities described??? Seems to me a good starting point? Jim
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Thorium Plasma Battery Follow Up...

Hi guys, I agree, let's not get distracted by that patriot crap. I guess if we gave away 23 years of our lives to a corrupt government we might also feel obligated to be "patriotic" to justify our dumb career choice. Anyway, getting back to the plasma battery...

I read the Harvard, Stanford, and MIT White papers and even though Sandia and Princeton plasma labs have millions at their disposal, the four inventors who actually made prototypes apparently did it with their own funds so I think someone knowledgeable can replicate it. About 4 years ago I met an old physics professor at the airport in Vancouver. We both had long delays and somehow we struck up a conversation about plasma physics, which happened to be his specialty. His name I recall was Walker and he was old enough to be God's little brother. Anyway he seemed to have a handle on this and claimed to know one of the inventors personally.

He said that the key to a plasma battery was ionizing the plasma of the Thorium 232 isotope and feeding it through a magnetic field. Other than that I don't remember much more. But I did find this interesting link that raises other issues even more disturbing than the technology hijack by the Pentagon. Prepare yourself to be objective before clicking on this link...

Are Green Nuclear Thorium Plasma Batteries Imported From Afar? Read before laughing!

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He said that the key to a plasma battery was ionizing the plasma of the Thorium 232 isotope and feeding it through a magnetic field. Other than that I don't remember much more. But I did find this interesting link that raises other issues even more disturbing than the technology hijack by the Pentagon. Prepare yourself to be objective before clicking on this link...
Hi EXCELERATOR, Exactly how would one go about "ionizing the plasma of the Thorium 232 isotope" ?

This is the problem, this type of Tech I think should only be done by qualified
people in the correct safe lab setting.

I challenge anyone here to explain even the first steps of how this would be
accomplished ! A theory of operation would be a good start then some
construction idea's and safety precautions, parts list ect. .

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There's also the much safer strontium battery that has seemingly vanished too:
Paul M. Brown: Resonant Nuclear Battery (Nucell) ~ Beta Voltaic Effect ~ Collected papers & US Patent # 4,835,433

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Production of Nucell batteries, the size of a D-cell battery and producing one to five watts with a 3 to 5 year lifespan. Could begin by year's end, according to Paul Brown, vice president of R&D and inventor of the device.
And he said that back in 1990, poor sob didn't know who he was messing with. And yet history seems to repeat over and over.

Oh yeah he's also dead btw, died in a car crash: Mike Kremer - The strange Legacy of Paul M. Brown Ph.D

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Old 04-09-2012, 03:26 AM
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Hi EXCELERATOR, Exactly how would one go about "ionizing the plasma of the Thorium 232 isotope" ?

This is the problem, this type of Tech I think should only be done by qualified
people in the correct safe lab setting.

I challenge anyone here to explain even the first steps of how this would be
accomplished ! A theory of operation would be a good start then some
construction idea's and safety precautions, parts list ect. .

..
Here is a rare video of one of Arie DeGeus many unknown works.

Plasmavolt-Test-Footage.wmv

Plasmavolt-Test-Footage.wmv
01:33 - 4 years ago
Betavoltaic Corporate test-footage for an Inertial Electrostatic Confinement Vortex-Fusion prototype called the "Plasmavolt" by inventor Arie DeGeus. This is the only footage available for the device, which reportedly produced excess energy. The principle of operation involved the fusion of light-metal nuclei (beryllium, lithium, etc) eroded from a composite anode in a self-compressing electromagnetic vortex.

Maybe he later found that thorium fission was better?

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Old 04-09-2012, 05:15 AM
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There's also the much safer strontium battery that has seemingly vanished too:
Paul M. Brown: Resonant Nuclear Battery (Nucell) ~ Beta Voltaic Effect ~ Collected papers & US Patent # 4,835,433



And he said that back in 1990, poor sob didn't know who he was messing with. And yet history seems to repeat over and over.

Oh yeah he's also dead btw, died in a car crash: Mike Kremer - The strange Legacy of Paul M. Brown Ph.D
Another plasma researcher, from Russia this time, that suddenly died back in the 1990's was Chernetsky and his Plasmatron Self-Generating Discharge hydrogen plasma device.

Free Energy - Plasmatron - Inventor Died Suddenly
Free Energy - Plasmatron - Inventor Died Suddenly - YouTube


At least inventors Correa's abnormal glow discharge, and Papp technology being developed today by Inteligentry, Ltd., Plasmic Transition Process, are still around and progressing!

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ONE other thing;

EVERYONE dies; and, at least for the person, the vast majority die 'suddenly'.
Using such adjectives to suggest foul play is rather 'yellow journalism' sensationalism, seems to me. Feeds the paranoid idea that these are assasinations, without actually contributing anything. They died. O.K. They died of a car wreck. o.k. They died of a heart attack. O.K. Those are statements of fact, assuming they are verified. To say someone 'died suddenly', and use this to IMPLY some kind of 'black operation' seems to me to be rather childish., Just suggesting we stick with the 'facts, m'am JUST the facts."
And, if any of these threads on Thorium are going to have any value, would be a lot better if someone would describe exactly HOW thorium is used, either for a battery or a power plant, instead of ranting about suppression, etc.Jim
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:43 PM
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An idea for the basis for a working device:

Look at the Paul Brown, Resonant Nuclear Battery link.

Then get pats:
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Then think about T. Henry Moray. And how he used the output of one of his "Transistor" Vacuum tubes, to feed the input of the other resulting in amplified output.

It's an idea.
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Thorium And Plasma Energy Not New At All...

Its no big surprise people are talking about Thorium Power again, especially since the Fukishima fiasco. A nuclear crisis brings out both sides of the crowd, the greenies and the nukies, - as well as those with vested interests in fossil fuels and want to keep ICEs in our cars for as long as possible.

Thorium was discovered way backin 1828 and ever since scientists have found it to have far more benefits, safety, and energy potential than uranium. In fact both Dupont and a Congressional committee pushed to use Thorium instead of Uranium for our nuclear energy program back in the 50s. But since gas was dirt cheap and oil so plentiful back then, the nation's nuclear focus was on Uranium simply because Thorium could not be used to manufacture atomic bombs. So as we know, the DoD overruled Congress and Uranium was selected, and now people are pushing to make the switch - just like China, Norway, and India did and just like MIT, Harvard, Princeton, and Purdue has been urging.

Do you recall Eisenhower's warning about the threat of the military industrial complex? They have indeed become part of the real shadow government and for them Uranium is good for business and politics. Iran could easily avoid problems with the America by using Thorium in their reactors. Think about it.

And plasma energy is not "new" either. Tesla had advanced theories on the subject and if you look at a previous post above on the first page you will even find one of his diagrams. The only new thing that has got people excited and pissed off is that we discovered we already have Thorium plasma batteries available to us that never need a recharge, but they are under lock and key by the Pentagon - forcing us to remain addicted to oil and the elite who profit from the black gold trade.

The key debate is not just Thorium but the technology suppression surrounding it. If any of the surviving inventors are reading this, I would urge them to publish their work online and give the technology to the world as a gift so no one government or the military can glom it for themselves. The problem is there are too many "Patriots" in the world in high places. In the mean time, the greenies and nukies both need to understand that Nuclear can indeed be green, clean and safe with Thorium, and disregard all the deliberate disinformation being spread by Uncle to keep people living in fear and occasional panic. As Hitler once said "A fearful populace is an obedient populace".

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Old 04-12-2012, 05:15 PM
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Still getting sidetracked

with irrelevencies of politics and ancient history.
What IS 'known' about using Thorium as an energy source???
For example; a LOT of energy is used, to simply supply houses with hot water, so how about we START there? How would one go about building a household hot water heater, using Thorium? From there, we can look at a steam generator, to produce electricity. And we don't NEED to expend words on dead researchers, the military industrial complex, etc. Just FOCUS on what IS 'known', and what can be done with it???Jim
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:11 AM
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Some recent printed info on thorium for power generation.

Bob Dratch:
Green Atomics - a better way


Bob Dratch: Thorium Powerpack
Howard Rory Johnson: Magnatron – Light-Activated Cold Fusion Magnetic Motor for Energy Invention Suppression Cases

Bob Dratch’s thorium powerpack would generate electricity at approximately one-tenth of the cost of current methods of producing electricity. Thorium is sufficiently abundant that the entire planet can be powered for millennia. After ten years of continuous operation, a trace amount of U-233 is produced. U-233 recovery to re-purify the thorium is easily accomplished. Thorium thus lasts a long time when recycled and consequently is a very efficient energy source. After extraction from ore, thorium does not
require energy-intensive enrichment as is the case with uranium.
A thorium-powered reactor is inherently safe. It doesn't run the risk of "meltdown" or explosion nor can even a dirty bomb be created. Its nuclear reaction simply stops when its neutron exciter is turned off.
The simplest and smallest "table top-sized " neutron exciter design is something close to the size of a 4-D cell flashlight, and starts at about 500-kilovolt neutron output. In fact this smallest most cost-effective system can run off 4 D cells for its power.

A thorium powerpack’s neutron excitor does not use radioactive flux components as conventionally done for portable systems. Instead it relies on Dratch’s invention of a novel method of resonant phonon pair cleavage using specifically designed nuclear lattice holo-forms (holographic waveforms) to induce neutron imbalance in a host atom where the host atom then attempts to establish "balance" through the liberation of neutrons. Dratch demonstrated the first model of this novel design back in 1966.

Commercial thorium powerpacks can be developed with 50 or 100 kilowatts of output for home use, and up to 1 megawatt for industrial use. They actually are “power amplifiers” with power outputs of 60 times over input power. Maintenance would be minimal.


IPMS: Thorium-227 Electricity Generator
Howard Rory Johnson: Magnatron – Light-Activated Cold Fusion Magnetic Motor for Energy Invention Suppression Cases

The I.N. Frantsevich Institute for Problems of Materials Science (IPMS), Kiev, Ukraine, from 1951
through 1991 secretly employed 6600 of the most brilliant theoretical physicists in the entire Soviet
Union to work for nearly 50 years with complete freedom. They were able to develop whole new
sciences, technologies and materials unknown in the West.
Their models of non-linear quantum mechanics, plasma physics, atomic engineering, nuclear
physics and related mathematical and theoretical constructs, which made their development possible, are
so unique that they challenge the validity of the most fundamental assumptions embodied in the
Copenhagen Interpretation model currently held in general acceptance in the West.
For example, Western-developed particle/wave quantum mechanics is described by Einstein’s E =
MC
2
. The Soviet nonlinear model of quantum mechanics is described by the formula E = M
K
v [Energy =
Mass @ rest as a function of a mathematical constant].
Einstein’s theory of relativity assumes that the speed of light is constant. However, measurements
have shown that the speed of light has slowed down 7 per cent over the past two centuries. (See
Search Results news article asp ARTICLE ID=39733.) Einstein’s famous equation is therefore
not based on the real world of peer-reviewed experimental results. Consequently the more correct Soviet
model has enabled numerous technical advances not even dreamed of by Western science.
Among several energy inventions developed by the IPMS are free-standing thorium-227 isotope
electric power generating plants. They can be small enough to power a single home and large enough to
power whole communities. They also can operate for up to 18 years without ever requiring refueling or
maintenance.
Arrangements to commercialize these useful energy inventions by joint ventures of the IPMS and
more than a dozen private sector companies were repeatedly sabotaged by the U.S. Government’s
Defense Intelligence Agency and others. (Source: David G. Yurth,
The Anthropos Files: Tales of
Quantum Physics from Another World – 2
nd
Edition
, 2007)

Cheers Mike
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Product info on thorium plasma design for power generation.

Phemax Technology: Microsun Plasmagnetic Alternator
Directory:Phemax Technology: Microsun Plasmagnetic Alternator - PESWiki

Plasma arc generator:
Using the plasma arc and the water electricity fusion principle, separates the water into hydrogen gas fuel forms that may heat thermal power machines (internal combustion engine and external combustion engine). These engines can the turn generators to produce electricity. One prototype output five kilowatts [net?].

The Phemax generator is said to have a "1:5 electric power scale-up effect."

Plasmagnetic Alternator document:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/...Alternator.doc

Phemax technology tody announced The FREE Plasmagnetic alternator,published a patent peding application in the fuelless Renewable Electricity Energy generation equipment, use of cutting-edge plasmarc reaction (Microsun) the effect of plasma, into low-voltage high-current high temperature thermal conductivity of thorium fast tungsten, graphite electrode and water to produce plasmarc so that the water molecules of hydrogen and oxygen molecules of carbon electrodes and was an instant Atomic , Ion of the water of the composition of the chemical bond between the pyrolysis and produce some simple atoms such as hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, and so on, these atoms collected by the synthesis gas into hot gas turbine (engine or outboard engines)."

Looks like a typical welder with thorium electrode creating water gas through plasma arcing in water, that then feeds the gas to a genset to make electricity.

Maybe make the plasma arc without the carbon electrode being consumed, by using 2 thorium electrodes instead.

This type of thorium plasma gneration is commonly used in the welding industry, so parts are readily available.

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What is soultion to stop Technoloy Suppression of Thorium plasma battery?

It is now clear that the problem of energy technology suppression is very deliberate and it starts here-


Why do I say this? Well first read these three links and be your own judge-

The Orion Project - Suppressed Energy Technologies

Thorium Plasma Battery Technology = Energy Freedom

IS ONGOING “FREE ENERGY” SUPPRESSION THE ULTIMATE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY? « The Dirty Lowdown

And for anyone who has the nerve to call me a "conspiracy nut" my guess is that they are one of these sheeple morons who actaually believe all the mainstreet media "news" (propaganda) and talking-heads spoon feed us on a daily basis. Watch the above video and you can actually get the patent numbers of the 927 free energy inventions that have been sealed from public eyes.


So what can we all do to expose this criminal racketeering? I think Excelerator has the right idea, we should all tweet this thread to anyone we know whose brain has not already been pickled by the press. Any other ideas?

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He said that the key to a plasma battery was ionizing the plasma of the Thorium 232 isotope and feeding it through a magnetic field. Other than that I don't remember much more. But I did find this interesting link that raises other issues even more disturbing than the technology hijack by the Pentagon. Prepare yourself to be objective before clicking on this link...

Are Green Nuclear Thorium Plasma Batteries Imported From Afar? Read before laughing!
wow this is pretty cool I have been working on a slayer circuit that will charge nearby metal objects to a high potential, I'm running enough wattage that there is a DC plasma discharge at the high voltage output and if I where to put two metal objects on the opposite sides of the coil it produces a current, perhaps if I were to replace the screwdriver and file for thorium rods I would get even more current out than I am putting in. I'm curious enough to buy some 2% thorium testing rods off ebay and will try to make a make-shift thorium battery out of it well let you all know if it works here is my plans, please copy and save them if you wish wouldn't want this to disappear as well

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So lets build it, can we get thorium or can we use americium, I can think of several ways to use it to ionize a magnetic field also putting a spark gap in the field as well, we can build it.
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Yes, I believe we can, just will take some time and effort with an open mind. What methods of ion and magnetic field generation did you have in mind?
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I'd stay away from Thorium and any other "naturally" radioactive material. I say this because I've been going through Gustave Le Bon's book: The Evolution of Matter, in it, he says that it's possible to make Tin, 40 times more radioactive than Radium. That lower atomic weight elements can be made more radioactive than heavier ones, which are “naturally” radioactive.

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You haven't even scratched the surface of what's going on. It's not the big bad oil companies, it's all of them including the so called "academia" and bogus self righteous "scientific community" you suggest get together to fight the oil guys. And their end goal is not to just keep you from having free energy... it's to kill all of us off. That's why they keep pumping all of us with cancer, AIDS and whatever other goodies they use your tax dollars to come up with to KILL everyone. They want you dead.

ENDGAME- ALEX JONES - Blueprint for Global Enslavement

I don't see what the big mystery of this "plasma battery" is. Nuclear radiation and any other sort of "plasma" effect (such as hydrogen or even nitrogen gas) ignited will generate more energy than it requires to make the plasma. All you have to do is put it in a magnetic field and collect the charges.

YES, all this nonsense about nuclear power plants making steam to turn turbines is stupid. It's like using a Ferrari engine to power your tooth brush - a super waste of energy. All radioactive material (like thorium) emit ELECTRICAL CHARGES you can directly turn into electrical energy! How obvious is this yet sell out "academia" and the bogus "scientific community" don't say a thing about it! What a joke these institutions of brain washing are.

You want the secret of this "plasma battery"????

Here it is.



Just use thorium in some manner to increase it radioactivity and you've got your super battery if you can transform the output to 12V or whatever you wanted. LOTS of energy there.

William Lyne explained this in his books and it's no secret. You can buy his books on Amazon or from him directly for a few bucks.

Books written by William R. Lyne

The design by Lyne is simple, it's probably best to stay away from using a pure lithium source. Even if it can potently output 50Kw. The risk of an explosion is too high.

Combine Gustave Le Bon's observation: that all matter is radio active.
And that lighter elements can be made more radio active than heaver one's, especially those that are “naturally” radioactive.

Combine it with the information in the following patent:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20070007844.pdf
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Interesting device Dave, I assume you will be putting Americium smoke detector isotopes in the holes, should have some interesting results
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Nothing wrong with Thorium used in plasma battery

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I'd stay away from Thorium and any other "naturally" radioactive material. I say this because I've been going through Gustave Le Bon's book: The Evolution of Matter, in it, he says that it's possible to make Tin, 40 times more radioactive than Radium. That lower atomic weight elements can be made more radioactive than heavier ones, which are “naturally” radioactive.
I agree with you about the lithium, but not to worry abut Thorium - we are talking about the TH232 isotope which has a half-life of 14 million years! I think all of us will be checking out out in 150 years or less yes? Also check out the posts of this Walter guy and be sure to read his attachments about wastes and radiation dose chart. Endless-sphere.com &bull; View topic - Thorium Plasma Battery - Right Technology - Wrong Priority? I borrowed them and attached them here for convenience. I also added the diagram from Aries DeGeus's original plasma battery

For the money, nothing will give us a bigger or safer bang for our buck than Thorium. It has 90 times the energy yield as Uranium, is far more readily available and less than half the cost. Maybe you should read up more on Thorium. I really cannot find a down side. Thorium is stable and less harmful to humans than common coal. Only Thorium dust/powder presents a hazard, and from what I can see neither is used in these batteries.

The two battery designs submitted here are interesting. How do you guys propose generating the plasma in a self contained unit? BTW... we have enough Thorium right here in the U.S. for over 1,000 years of clean green energy.

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I agree with you about the lithium, but not to worry abut Thorium - we are talking about the TH232 isotope which has a half-life of 14 million years! I think all of us will be checking out out in 150 years or less yes? Also check out the posts of this Walter guy and be sure to read his attachments about wastes and radiation dose chart. Endless-sphere.com &bull; View topic - Thorium Plasma Battery - Right Technology - Wrong Priority? I borrowed them and attached them here for convenience. I also added the diagram from Aries DeGeus's original plasma battery

For the money, nothing will give us a bigger or safer bang for our buck than Thorium. It has 90 times the energy yield as Uranium, is far more readily available and less than half the cost. Maybe you should read up more on Thorium. I really cannot find a down side. Thorium is stable and less harmful to humans than common coal. Only Thorium dust/powder presents a hazard, and from what I can see neither is used in these batteries.

The two battery designs submitted here are interesting. How do you guys propose generating the plasma in a self contained unit? BTW... we have enough Thorium right here in the U.S. for over 1,000 years of clean green energy.

Seeing as you have not understood what I posted: I'll make it even simpler.

You'll get better results by not using Thorium or any other "naturally" radio active material.

By making light elements artificially radio active, and capturing the alpha and beta particles with the Lyne method as shown - which is much simpler than anything that has been proposed so far.

Because the normal state of the light elements is non radio active (compared to the "naturally" radio active elements like Thorium), they are easier, simpler and safer to handle. Plus once the cause that made them artificially radio active, has stopped. Their artificial radio activity begins to subside and then will stop, leaving you with a sample in it's non radio active normal state. You can’t say that about Thorium, which as you state has a half-life of 14 million years.

On the bang for the buck. Got a 1 penny/cent coin, if so, you have your sample to turn radio active and collect power from.
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I would think a material that is radioactive would decay faster and may not be safe in the fields, their breakdown would be accelerated.
be careful
a strong magnetic field as inside the core can be very powerful, just look at the center of our galaxy.
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Totally agree Dave will be doing lots of research on nuclear reactors and such,
oh and btw you might find it interesting that when alpha waves strikes a foil
out of Beryllium or aluminum it will produce a small amount of neutrons

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Whether you fellows gang up on me or not, I am entitled to express my opinion and I will keep doing so. Why did we win WWII? Because we had advanced technology (the atom bomb). If we did not use high technology, the war would have dragged on and thousands more people would have died. Hitler also had high tech weapons but he waited too long to use them including the V2 Rocket, the world's first jet fighter ME-262, and the first smart "Fritz" bomb. The Japanese also developed the UL400 submarine that could secertly launch 3 bombers less than a mile from Los Angeles or New York. Fortunately for us, they also waited too long to build them. They were going to drop anthrax bombs on both cities. Millions of Americans would have died. The Technology edge was ours and that is the only reason we won the war. The next big war may be mostly by remote control - another high-technology. China just built their first aircraft carrier but it takes them 2 minutes to launch a single plane while we can launch 4 jets in the same time frame. Why? High-technology.

In time of war, high technology can spell the difference between victory or defeat. As for these plasma batteries, Imagine a land war spanning a large country like Russia, China, or India. A tank powered by an electric motor and a plasma battery can cross the entire continent of Asia without refueling. An enemy tank would require refueling every 120 miles. Who do you think has the tactical advantage? Ditto for ships and submarines. High technology gadgets may have have both military and civilian uses, but if it can give us such a huge military advantage, it is justifiable to keep them secret.

No matter what your idea of patriotism may be, we all live in an unpredictable world, and war can erupt at any time. Thank God and our technology which has always kept the wars off of American soil and took it to the enemy. So in conclusion, I think these batteries are in the best hands for now.

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Whether you fellows gang up on me or not, I am entitled to express my opinion and I will keep doing so.
You are not entitled to anything when you start off by insulting people.

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Why did we win WWII? Because we had advanced technology (the atom bomb).
Nope.

Sheer numbers of young men were sent to their death. I won't even get into the genocide the allies committed against the German population with the bombing campaigns. As towards the end of the war, the allies were dropping in one night more bombs on Germany, than the Germans dropped on the UK, during the whole of the war.


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If we did not use high technology, the war would have dragged on and thousands more people would have died.
So your telling us, that up to that point: the fact that Germany and Japan were being beaten with antiquated inferior weapons (compared to what the Germans and Japanese were using) is irrelevant. The war in Europe was already over, Japan was being surrounded, day time bombing raids were taking place, terms of surrender we're being negotiated - all irrelevant.

The dropping of the nukes, made what was left of the Government give in just like I stated, where Governments are the biggest single point of weakness.


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Hitler also had high tech weapons but he waited too long to use them including the V2 Rocket,
Get your facts straight, he used them, but decided to diverted their resources to other projects.


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the world's first jet fighter ME-262, and the first smart "Fritz" bomb. The Japanese also developed the UL400 submarine that could secertly launch 3 bombers less than a mile from Los Angeles or New York. Fortunately for us, they also waited too long to build them. They were going to drop anthrax bombs on both cities. Millions of Americans would have died.
The Technology edge was ours and that is the only reason we won the war.
Holy cow, "you funny man" - you just disproved your own argument.


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The next big war may be mostly by remote control - another high-technology. China just built their first aircraft carrier but it takes them 2 minutes to launch a single plane while we can launch 4 jets in the same time frame. Why? High-technology.
Big deal, most of the electronics used in US weapons systems, command and control are made in China. Can anyone say: back doors

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In time of war, high technology can spell the difference between victory or defeat.
You have disproved your own argument already. To top it off, history has shown: high technology don't mean sh*t. Case in point: The English during the American War of independence were better trained, better equipped with state of the art weapons at the time. Yet farmers slaughtered them with their hunting rifles.

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As for these plasma batteries, Imagine a land war spanning a large country like Russia, China, or India. A tank powered by an electric motor and a plasma battery can cross the entire continent of Asia without refueling. An enemy tank would require refueling every 120 miles. Who do you think has the tactical advantage?
Simple: Whoever is being invaded has home advantage. Even if the invader has tanks with plasma batteries. Another case in point: Afghanistan, in 2,000+ years of history, no invader has conquered the country. The Russians could not do it, America will not, as well.


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Ditto for ships and submarines. High technology gadgets may have have both military and civilian uses, but if it can give us such a huge military advantage, it is justifiable to keep them secret.
In no way shape or form is it justified. Only warmongers want war, 99.9% of the global population want nothing to do with it.

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No matter what your idea of patriotism may be, we all live in an unpredictable world, and war can erupt at any time.
It's unpredictable when your not privy to the script.

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Thank God and our technology which has always kept the wars off of American soil and took it to the enemy.
Your forgetting the American War of independence, which was only won with the help and support of France.

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So in conclusion, I think these batteries are in the best hands for now.
In conclusion, what B.S.

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Here we go, AGAIN

Just when we start getting into a good, POSSIBLY productive conversation, about HOW this technology works, and how it could be used to build something that MIGHT work, we get jerked off coarse, and back into a BS discussion, and ultimately p*ssing contest, between 2 *ssholes who will continue to insult each other, NEVER persuade the other one that they are 'right', and for what????

Who the F CARES about all this BS? JUST cause someone posts something that YOU think is 'wrong', or BS, or whatever, DOESN'T mean you HAVE to respond! Grow up and MOVE ON, for Christs sake!!!!Jeese,....Jim
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LOL personally I think patriots posts are just hilarious not kidding here, I alwase get a few good laughs when he posts but ya its starting to get annoying if he doesn't agree with what this thread is all about he can just stfu or gtfo, this thread isn't about patriotism, he should post his opinions elsewhere
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