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Old 03-29-2012, 01:05 AM
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LED'S Overunity Confirmed!

Here's an extremely exciting discovery from "Laserhacker's" site. I feel it deserves a new thread to discuss the recent finding. Click on the Hyperlink for the full story!

"For the first time, researchers have demonstrated that an LED can emit more optical power than the electrical power it consumes."

LED's efficiency exceeds 100%

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Old 03-29-2012, 03:34 AM
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Physics synopsis.

Physicists have known for decades that, in principle, a semiconductor device can emit more light power than it consumes electrically. Experiments published in Physical Review Letters finally demonstrate this in practice, though at a small scale.

The energy absorbed by an electron as it traverses a light-emitting diode is equal to its charge times the applied voltage. But if the electron produces light, the emitted photon energy, which is determined by the semiconductor band gap, can be much larger. Usually, however, most electrons create no photon, so the average light power is less than the electrical power consumed. Researchers aiming to increase the power efficiency have generally tried to boost the number of photons per electron. But Parthiban Santhanam and co-workers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge took a gentler approach, achieving power enhancement even though less than one electron in a thousand produced a photon.

The researchers chose a light-emitting diode with a small band gap, and applied such small voltages that it acted like a normal resistor. With each halving of the voltage, they reduced the electrical power by a factor of 4 , even though the number of electrons, and thus the light power emitted, dropped by only a factor of 2 . Decreasing the input power to 30 picowatts, the team detected nearly 70 picowatts of emitted light. The extra energy comes from lattice vibrations, so the device should be cooled slightly, as occurs in thermoelectric coolers.

These initial results provide too little light for most applications. However, heating the light emitters increases their output power and efficiency, meaning they are like thermodynamic heat engines, except they come with the fast electrical control of modern semiconductor devices. – Don Monroe

Copper Oxide Thermoelectric Generator Can Light LED - YouTube

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Old 03-29-2012, 03:23 PM
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LED'S Overunity.

The upshot of the attachment graph shows that 30 picowatts of wall power might illuminate a bank of LED'S bright enough for the human eye to make out a tiny speck of dim light in a darkened room. Placing the bank of LED'S in an oven heated to 275 degrees farenheit would more then slightly double the brightness. That's the heat it would take to generate the overunity. Not that great of a tradeoff!

The efficency to input inverse square proportion has value! Quatering the input while halfing the brightness, is a neat rule of thumb for guaging LED efficency! The inverse corolary of course implies that 4 times the power is required to double the brightness.

This inverse gauge is with 60 hz A.C. wall power. Our "Lasersaber" style pulsed Joule Ringers with their RC tanks on the transister bases have much greater efficencies from the higher kilohertz pulse frequencies, in the LED voltage range. The question is; Can get we attain OU from baking our Joule Ringer LED'S?
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:00 AM
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A solar oven may be one idea, for a freebie heating method
Throw thousands of them together in a black bathtub, arrange mirrors around, cover the top and see (perhaps) what happens.
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:21 AM
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1 picowatt = 0.000000000001 watt

It's a great discovery but very far from a usable energy source.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:28 PM
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LED solar cell

@Slider2732,

Here's a very straight foward video of an LED functioning as a photo voltaic cell:

Photovoltaic Cell with LED - YouTube
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@Slider2732,

Here's a very straight foward video of an LED functioning as a photo voltaic cell:

Photovoltaic Cell with LED - YouTube
Thanks Allen for this interesting video, for a moment came to my mind a flat panel of leds on the roof exposed to the sun light.
In reverse of your graph, do you know how would be affected the efficiency when the temperature rise up? (workin the leds not emiting light but electricity).
Very interesting effect.
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Yeah, I have an LED oscillator that runs via an I/R LED
Ha'penny solar oscillator - YouTube

Put an LED of any type to a couple of croc leads and a meter and point it at the sun (better to have various types to test).
Intriguing to think of a power boost of even fractions, rather than a 0.6V voltage drop in a circuit.
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:03 AM
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@Slider2732,

Very cool video! Charly2 asked if heating the I/R solar cell LED would increase the electrical output. The same question crossed my mind. Would you be willing to perform that experiment for us to see if the audible pulse rate increases with a rise in heat? You could hold a hairdryer to it set on high.

A positive result would allow us to place an LED solar collector at the focal point of a parabolic reflector dish. Exciting the LED lattice may help bond the photon as well as release it! This may result in an even more important breakthrough then Parthiban Santhanam's from MIT .

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Thanks for the tip, I did it few minutes ago, it is almost 8:00pm so no sun light, but the room light was enough to get 0.430v, after 15 secs using the hairdryer the reading was 0.52v!!! , finally mother nature and its laws are with us
We need to make more tests on this.

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Great result there Charly

I'll go for the heat from something metal and black in the sun I think. Hopefully the sun will be out (quite lucky here for good strong sun). If the rate of oscillator running does increase, we'll know via the radio...very cool. Thanks for the experiment idea !
The Ha'Penny has a battery input port, so i'll cover the I/R LED and then have less chance of melting the solder on the circuit lol. But it will remove thoughts of the transistor/other components heating up and affecting results.

Will post tomorrow what happens.
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:37 PM
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Experimental data.

@charly2,

Thank you for tackeling the experimental challenge with such speed and precision. Warp factor quantum leap achievement! I'm thrilled by the results. Can you upload a video of your groundbreaking discovery?

Lasersaber's Joule Ringer 120 volt LED bulbs could be set in the focal point of a parabolic reflector dishs, positioned so the temperature was held constant at 275 degrees farenheit, and the sunlight maximized for best solar collector output, then turned around and used as powerfull super efficient search lights at night, with the reflector dishes projecting a very strong beam. An integrated, super upscaled garden light!

The attachment has instructions for constructing a cheap solar oven from an old umbrella and aluminum foil. They could swival on the roof edge, up for day chargeing, down for yard illumination at night.

We need someone to measure the solar output voltage from a 120 volt LED bulb. I'll be back home to the shop on the 4th of April, so I can run the simple test then and upload a video of that with heat excited lattice photon bonding enhancement effect. Ausgesitnicht! The bulbs can simply turn over resting inside a semi circular heat refector collar for the outdoor or greenhouse effect. Split positive battery rotation can augment the solar charging.
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Interesting topic

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This is a very interesting topic and I have done some simple research into this already. I ran a few experiments again today. I am not seeing just heat as the reason that leds gather energy. I must be missing something. An IR led seems to work the best as an energy receiver but I could not get any results using the hair dryer method or heat from an object heated on the stove top. A candle flame is spectacular though. It is some wave length of light that is generated the does the trick. Here is a video of an IR led running one of my led oscillators off just a candle flame light.

Infrared LED and a candle powering Penny - YouTube

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Old 04-01-2012, 04:36 AM
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Great demo video there...very cool.
Hmm..what if 1 candle power produced more than 1 candle power of resultant light

I conducted Allen's heating test today and have so far uploaded it to YouTube 3 times, failing in some regard each time. Had mad PC troubles today (Ubuntu upgrade to 11.10 broke the PC, so am running Puppy Linux).
If and when this latest MP4 variation makes it online, i'll post the link.

Suffice to say, LED's are looking to hold intriguing properties indeed
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Here we go:

LED affected by heat ? - YouTube
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:18 AM
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led Fusion Reactor

The LED is an overunity componant. I believe firmly at this juncture that an Infra Red light bulb totally covered by a closely packed I/R LED cluster suspended overhead to heat the LEDS to the 275 degrees farenheit could not only power itself but generate the same 230% overunity factor. The LED acts as tiny FUSION REACTOR. We're controlling photonic bonding with heat. The BTU to WATT in LUMEN ratio is obviously hyperbolic. This kind of PHOTONIC FUSION REACTOR may even help power a flying saucer, not to mention satisfying all our power needs on the planet. E=Mc2.

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Old 04-06-2012, 02:34 AM
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Photon reactor.

Bck at the shop finally!

I just finished testing my first heat lamp I/R LED receptor. The lamp's a 250 Watt GE Infra Red bulb, and the LED a 940 nanometer 100ma Infrared LED.

The I/R LED outputs nearly a whopping full volt. I will measure the d.c. amperage across a load tomorrow. So far the results look promising.

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Old 04-07-2012, 01:22 AM
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Amperage.

I believe I have enough data right now to calculate any overunity finding.

Four I/R LEDS, two in series connected to two in paralell, generate 2 volts and forty milliamps. I am lighting a jumbo red LED past full brightness, rated
at 2.4 volts and 20 milliamps. How many Watts is that from a 20mm square space on the bulb surface?
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48 milliwatts

2.4 volts X .02 amps = .048 watts or 48 milliwatts. Or using your other figures of 2 volts and 40 milliamps that would give you 80 milliwatts. I don't have any solar panel data but I was wondering how that compares to the efficiency of a solar panel which we all know is pretty low. Very interesting info. About 250 of your leds should give you the same output as a 5 watt solar panel.

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Old 04-07-2012, 01:54 PM
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Output.

@citfta,

It might be possible to crowd 500 on the I/R bulb surface. That would yield 10 Watts overall. The 250 Watt bulb rating would give us a 1/25 power recovery ratio so far. That leaves our Flying Saucer with four flat tires.
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Candle light.

It's interesting to note that the four I/R LEDS output about half the power from a storm candle as they do from a heat lamp. 6 I/R LEDS around one candle should generate 1.5 volts easily, plus some amperage to operate circuits with, like in Lidmotor's latest experiment.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:37 PM
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Light Styx.

Here's a video of a guy powering a radio off Dollar Store Nyte Styx and solar output cells! Time to roll the Saucer back out!

CandlePower - YouTube

Another by Lidmotor:

Solar cell working off GLOW STICK light - YouTube

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Old 04-14-2012, 12:38 AM
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Electroluminescnce

Look at this Electroluminescent panel. Runs off a 9 volt battery and tiny inverter. So super effcient, maybe a cluster of garden light solar collectors can gather enough power to be Overunity!


A6 electroluminescent panel/back light & 9V EL inverter | eBay

Here's another for foot long 1' strips and a AA battery inverter.

1' electroluminescent tape/light + battery EL inverter | eBay

I ordered the 12 x 8.5 panel and a solar shed charger for 10 LEDS will be testing for gain soon.

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Old 04-16-2012, 06:19 PM
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Betavoltaics.

"GlowPaint glow-in-the-dark paint company, MPK Co., has come up with self-luminous micro particles called Litrospheres™ which they say are inexpensive, non-toxic, and will stay on for 20+ years (12 year half-life) continuously -- without having to be plugged into any power source. A year later they announced that by combining this with thin-film solar sheets they can generate electricity continuously for the same duration".

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Old 04-20-2012, 01:19 AM
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Aparatus.

Everything arrived today. I fired up the paper towel sized 12volt Electro-Luminescent Panel and got enough output to signal a charge on my solar shed light recharger panel sandwiched on top. So far so good. I can make closer mesurements tomorrow at the shop. The panel produces no visible light outdoors, but proves to be highly receptive to the solar panel. The 12 volt high voltage inverter gives off a slight high pitched ring.

The theory is "Luminescet light is overunity", because no input's required. The chemical reaction accounts for the power. The point is we have a partial chemical process at work in the "Electro" version too. Maybe I'll discover somekind of gain?

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Old 04-20-2012, 07:23 PM
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Test results.

The luminescent panal drew 500 milliamps at 12 volts. I got the the same inverter to illuminate several 120 VAC LED bulbs to full brightness for the the same input. There's nothing to be gained from the Luminescence, as output drops to 1.77 volts down from 4 from sunshine.

The inverter is a neat "Joule Ringer", and the 120 VAC LEDS ring along with the transformer. I may upload a video of this.
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