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Old 03-22-2012, 11:00 AM
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As some of you perhaps know I have been contributing to a couple of threads on this forum not least the Don Smith … too good to be true. I am still experimenting with that set up but whilst waiting for inspiration to strike I decided to re-visit area's and threads that have caught my attention and interest in he past. Those of you who are “old hands” In the free energy study arena are no doubt very familiar with trying to study subject matter that tptb have decided to erase .. yeh click on a link and get that Insipid Blond girl (you know the one I mean) Yeh well Its not so much a “foot print” they leave behind as a huge sign post It says to me .. Contained in this video or website is Information that we are absolutely forced to remove by any means. To put that in simple terms It says very loudly this technology works and is dangerous to the 1%,. The powers that be don’t immediately erase information because that would attract far to much attention and have exactly the reverse of the desired effect. Luckily quite some time ago I got into the habit of downloading and archiving video's and web pages of the subjects I was researching and such is the case with this subject that I now wish to revisit,. It is the Work of Leon Raoul Hatem and his many COP>1 machines
I have noted that the subject has been touched upon before on this forum with respect to clones of Leon's (now patented) original 1955 work. I have read through the defunct threads checking the links and video's which of course have been hacked to bits. Here is one Donald duck free energy generator
and here is another George Mitchell overunity magnetic gear Neither gives full credit to, or names the original Inventor and the older of the two threads has been attacked to such an extent that a new researcher would gain little information. I Have accumulated a lot more information on this system as well as the archived video's and links which I'll repost from my own server in due course. I also have the collected works of “Yannick” and “mindfreer” who have both discovered the you tube exit door. (as I probably will myself) .. which should tell you what you should be doing with any relevent information you come across This is a very simple concept... providing you allow it to be so. It can produce huge amounts (many Kws) of free power, I wish this thread to concern itself mainly with learning the practical engineering principles of this already proven machine, For reasons which I'll get into a little later the prime mover of this machine must be extremely efficient which is a state of motor design we have only recently accomplished with P.M motors. IMHO free energy at this point in time is rather like a huge Dam about to burst perhaps the South African machine will break free first or perhaps the Don Smith,Kapanaze system one things for sure there's hundreds of systems waiting in the wings.. But folks the Dams got to be breached first !! if you havent seen a Hatem machine before here is a French TV programm showing the machine helping to power a retreat high in the Alps and a short interview with the Inventer who at 86 year old is still a far better mechanic than I'll ever be.... Leon Raoul Hatem Nucl_aire_ou_nergie_libres_BOUGER_LA_VIE.flv - YouTube and here is a cascaded system running in Leons workshop Raoul Hatem, l'horloger de l'Univers - YouTube It is clear to me that Leon hasn't mastered the positive feed back as yet which would cause his machine to self destruct if he left it to run free.As other machines have done, Here is Cikjamas on another energetics thread trying the system how this OU thing works indeed ? he's got more faith in epoxy resin than me! Anyway is anyone out there in “energetics land” interested in a fresh attack on this machine working from Leon's first principles as best we can understand them?


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A little of the History … Leon Raoul Hatem was and still is an extreamly skilled watch and clock Maker, Early In the 1950s he became Interested and involved in the work of Nobel prize winner Professor Maurice Allais Professor Maurice Allais - a genius before his time - as are they all Maurice's area of interest at the time was the effects acting on a pedulum during an eclipce .. obviously extreamly well crafted mechanisums were required.
following on from ... and because of the information Leon learnt of the magnetic and gravitational structure of the universe Leon built a “small scale” universe exhibiting all the magnetic and gravitational effects we have come to expect.


he also in the 1950s built many COP>1 machines. Leon Raoul HATEM -- magnet motor The energy gain is actually quite phenomenal as In theory the gain follows the Fibonacci series.
I personally see a lot of common points with what is being done by Hatem physically with magnets and electrically by Thane C Heins.
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Although In French I'm sure you have pondered what Leon is trying to point out with the vectors in the drawing shown in the above link ! Leon and his son go into great detail here LEON RAOUL HATEM DISCOVERIES. Beyond Quantum Physics, the birth of an atom. (fill yer boots!) however Its all rather beyond me and just to keep things very simple there are many aspects to magnetism and gravity which are well known to tptb but which we the 99% are left to flounder with, just off the cuff here are three of them the first being an interpretation of the magnetic effect regarding water as described by Ed Leedskaline translated by R.L Pool LeeskalninPhysics2.wmv - YouTube
Here is a far more convincing demonstration of the “vortex” spiral predicted by Leedskalnin
magnetic vortex on Vimeo I would suggest that you are actually watching the difference between the CW and CCW vortex each of which of course will be moving with unimaginable speed but cancelling each other out .
If that were the case you would expect one pole of any magnet to hold sway over its partner .. This is Indeed the case and is demonstrated here Attraction vs Repulsion in Magnetic Fields 2 - YouTube
There is a difference!!! the magnet is considerably stronger in attraction …. Leon formed his own conclusions as to why this should be so, so did Tesla and so did Leedskaline. Which principle is correct .. I don't know .. neither do I care!!But that “difference” is being acknowledged by all three of them in their own way and now you are acutely aware of it too I hope... because that difference is what Leon is amplifying and using …
Now my friends a favour “s'il vous plaît” of the video's that I have archived relating to this subject there is one that seems particularly annoying to tptb I have no doubt you have seen it before .. however on this occasion please “copy it “ commit it to your hard and broadcast it as and when you can, there is nothing to loose and I see this information as being under extream pressure from tptb. Although I dont quite see why at the moment! however I dont like seeing information and knowledge destroyed!
Free Energy Power Generator Donald Duck Magnetic Electric Ove... - Video
still be so kind as to humour me and copy it!
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The con men??

The Con men ????
I actually use that term very tongue in cheek, just to enlarge on that there seems to be a perception in the free energy fraternity that anything that costs money is a con ,
That is not my view it is rather a case of what have you have paid money for ? for Instance if someone has done hours of research built many experimental machines and then spent time and trouble to document and report the results in book form I for one don't mind paying a reasonable price for it. The trouble regarding this Information is you have no way of knowing the quality or depth until your money is exchanged, There are/were effectively two information traders dealing in the Hatem devices one operating under the AKA of “Mindfreer” and the other as “Yannisonic” faced with “a construction” all practical information becomes extremely valuable and as a matter of course I bought both books... (I might add for less than the cost of two alternator bearings.) Do I think I was ripped off ?.. I certainly do not both pdfs were honest attempts with practical details and well researched sources and prices, It is information that is of assistance for any practical builder but not necessary to the average browser or surfer, If you actually intend to build there are still many unknown effects Including anti gravity and unexplained heating you need every scrap of information you can lay your hands on Its gold!! That being said both mindfreer and yannisonic no longer are on you tube however lets have a look at some of “mindfreers” output that I archived

1/ This is the first offering which I suspect you have watched already cogging on Vimeo

2/ Here's Mindfreer amplifying the principle free energy power generator on Vimeo

3/ Mindfreer goes on to expand on the operational principles and construction Untitled on Vimeo

4/ experimental work Untitled on Vimeo

5/ Mindfreer also drifted into another subject with this current Transformer project Untitled on Vimeo
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I tend to be a little dubious of patents that copy the work of others, there can some times I suggest be a “hidden agenda, and in the age of the Internet the patent search must have been sadly remiss in this case! Probably because some one some where wants to bury this technology.
Here is the Mmmmm American Inventor at the start of the plot
1/ New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTube

2/ New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTube!

3/ New Free Energy - YouTube

I Include the last link as it quite clearly demonstrates one of the control difficulties with the system as the huge COP>1 builds up (positive feed back) the tendancy is for the machine to speed up to the point of destruction. The control George has applied to this machine is not very proportional giving the rapid cycling that you witness,... this was later cured by the circitry of “Yannisonic” (I understand) Anyway here's George and his Doberman's .. I'll leave you guy's to tell him his invention is 60 years to late … I dont fancy one of them hound's nashers around around my arse!
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and the big guy PJK ?

There is obviously area's of this construct that are not fully understood and one of the most puzzling for me is why the efficiency of the prime mover is so very Important but it is so, and this has resulted in many fails principally because folks have used bog standard drive motors as a first drive.... They have nothing even approaching the efficiency required for this system.

The drawing Is extracted from Chapter two of Patrick J Kelly's well known book. It is quite clear that Patrick has Immediately realised the importance of source efficiency. And so strongly suggested what could almost be regarded as “a match made in heaven” drive Hatem's device with a roto-verter the roto-verter itself has been known to go C.O.P >1 and so attracted UN-wanted attention Energy Suppression (although it is very difficult to do I understand) however as PJK has detected the roto-verter is intrinsically uber efficient … Keeping in mind that a controlled soft start is essential, as is a very efficient prime mover with accurate proportional control the two systems would match like hand and glove.
There are of course still unknowns I have been told of one guy who contrived to make a total circle of the magnetic drives .. The result ? Strangely all the magnets suddenly loose their power!
Tptb know a thing or two they would never offer a million buck challenge if you could close the loop that easily! Anyway P.JKs work on Leon Hatem in chapter two of his book is essential reading before contemplating this system
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I came across the Mindfreer videos before I even found this forum. There was
also a previous thread here for the "Donald Duck" motor. There also was a
recent thread started here for the George Mitchel device. I think the Hatem
concept would work well with the 3 Battery generating system.

I spoke to an electrician about the transformer idea and he thought it was
just like resonance to a power line and there would still be an extra draw on
the power meter. One way you could tell if there was free energy happening
would be similar to the Don Smith approach. That is to use a 12v battery
with an inverter and use two light bulbs and see how long the battery holds up
until things stop. Then recharge the battery to the same level and try the
same thing with the Mindfreer toroid. Then compare the run times to see if
anything extra is achieved. This would prove or disprove if it worked.

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Looking at the Clouds, the Southpole has a right turning Field, looking from above, inside to outside, CW and the Northpole (what is down at our Bowl) a left Side, CCW, spinning Field.
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Looking at the Clouds, the Southpole has a right turning Field, looking from above, inside to outside, CW and the Northpole (what is down at our Bowl) a left Side, CCW, spinning Field.
Hi Joit .. I really only noted that there is something extreamly unusual being demostrated w.r.t magnets, I lifted the original video from youtube I see there is an expansion on it now so here is the link for you to take another look MAGNETIC FLUX SPIN VALIDATION by Al aka. "Magnetflipper" - YouTube my earlier observations on this effect are really just an “uneducated guess” Still if we are to aknoledge that Hatems theory works then we also have to accept that there are magnetic effects that mainstream science does not account for and utalize them urgently.
All the links I have posted there need dedicated investigation, (preferably on another thread) still the questions that come immediately to mind are what gas is being released ? Is it being split? What is the power consumption ? (quite small I would think as I see no other connection) does the size/strength of the magnet release far more gas The effect is probably related to to this magnetic water splitting as described by John Bedini here magnet water split.wmv - YouTube
and suppressed by Cejaka and the CIA, Still as regards the Hatem principle to demonstrate that the effect is really there and make a usable efficent machine is our object. .. having said that the price of rare earth is a bit ouch at the moment ...
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I came across the Mindfreer videos before I even found this forum. There was
also a previous thread here for the "Donald Duck" motor. There also was a
recent thread started here for the George Mitchel device. I think the Hatem
concept would work well with the 3 Battery generating system.

I spoke to an electrician about the transformer idea and he thought it was
just like resonance to a power line and there would still be an extra draw on
the power meter. One way you could tell if there was free energy happening
would be similar to the Don Smith approach. That is to use a 12v battery
with an inverter and use two light bulbs and see how long the battery holds up
until things stop. Then recharge the battery to the same level and try the
same thing with the Mindfreer toroid. Then compare the run times to see if
anything extra is achieved. This would prove or disprove if it worked.

George
Hi George .. It seems to me that there are common issues with most true “free energy system's” any one of which could “stand alone” after all its a miracle that there is free energy still available the chances of there being lots of different sources is doubtful in the extreme. Its actually annoying to think of the hundreds of energy systems that must be being held back. regardless of which system we are researching its almost inevitable that we'll be considering the same situation in a round about way, The thing to keep in mind is it only takes one system that is relatively easy to build and the whole rotten pack of cards comes down!
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100 watts in .... 2000 watts out ... you do the maths

Notice the power calculations at the bottom of this web page (Throw it into google translator) Energie Libre - L'Ecole de Vie
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Hello.Thanks Duncan for starting this thread. I have seen some of these videos some time ago and kind of forgotton about them. Most of the other links I have not seen before and have found them of great interest. You have also spent a great deal of time gathering this information, and it needs to resurface. I've built several Rotoverters and I know how important there operation as primemovers can be. My Pm's can run 99% eff. Running best under moderate loads, as reported by others...7.5 hp at 115v x .85 amp. And a 5hp that runs at 70watts with light moderate load. I was wondering why I haven't seen more of them used. I'm still catching up on other links in this thread, More to watch and read Thanks Again.....

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Hello.Thanks Duncan for starting this thread. I have seen some of these videos some time ago and kind of forgotton about them. Most of the other links I have not seen before and have found them of great interest. You have also spent a great deal of time gathering this information, and it needs to resurface. I've built several Rotoverters and I know how important there operation as primemovers can be. My Pm's can run 99% eff. Running best under moderate loads, as reported by others...7.5 hp at 115v x .85 amp. And a 5hp that runs at 70watts with light moderate load. I was wondering why I haven't seen more of them used. I'm still catching up on other links in this thread, More to watch and read Thanks Again.....

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As a possible “first step” Mr Whip and to prove the concept here is a test unit constructed by another researcher https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...st%2520rig.jpg
Leon Hatem and other researchers have discovered that the huge “free power” gains are to be had with more alternators as the chain follows the Fibonacci series to examine this a little more consider 5 alternators each delivering 1000 watts magnetically coupled in a straight line as Leon demonstrates in his patents .. The total power available is obviously 5000 Watts
however the load in the primary drive is an entirely different matter

The first alternator loads the drive motor 5 KW x 1/2 = 2.5 KW

The second alternator loads the drive motor 5 KW x 1/4 = 1.25KW

The third alternator loads the drive motor 5 KW x 1/8 = 625W

The fourth alternator loads the drive motor 5 KW x 1/16 = 312.5 W

The fifth alternator loads the drive motor 5 KW x 1/32 = 156.25 W

and so the total load on the motor is 1097.5 Watts

This is a huge >1 C.O.P of 5000/1097.5 = 4.5 .. and nearly 4KW is being extracted from the ambient surroundings ( I start to wonder if this is why Rare earth minerals have sky rocketed)

This of course assumes perfect matching magnets and 100% efficient machines in practice of course that isn’t going to be achieved but you can get close!Obviously the more alternators the higher the ratio!

There is a huge pit fall with this machine that has led most constructors to abandon it or report it as worthless and it is the efficiency of the first drive I have used Ideal conditions in the above example
work those numbers back as a graph to the absolutely essential 50% efficiency that you must have to realise any gain at all and you realise how important that “window” is.
And yes I have done a deal of research and I promise you Leon is no Liar …. at 88 years old he's probably learnt better …. don’t you think? Incidentally you can still go and meet this guy and see his machines, and that’s a bit rare in the land of smoke and mirrors isn’t it ! This old gent has no fear he knows it works and he knows what’s right … he puts us to shame its as simple as that!
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I see these ideas getting more attention. Just wanted to point out that I built such a system about 4 years ago. Of course the magnets were in repulsion mode not attraction. I could not measure more output from the system. I tried a handmade dynamometer back then and I couldn't measure more output. I had got this idea when i coupled another bedini rotor to my main rotor and thought that the torque output has increased. It really seemed that way. You can search the forum for "the secret of extracting mechanical energy" and you'll find the details.
Maybe magnets in attraction mode behave differently. I couldn't use my magnets that way, because my magnets were quite large and the sticking force was too high.
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did you read the link ?
do you inderstand french ?

i can give you a lot of link in french with
the proof that L HATEM is a scam artist

I am from paris and I visitesd the great Leon a few years ago
he never measure input versus output in none of his inventions !!
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did you read the link ?
do you inderstand french ?

i can give you a lot of link in french with
the proof that L HATEM is a scam artist

I am from paris and I visitesd the great Leon a few years ago
he never measure input versus output in none of his inventions !!
Hi Tagor I've actually been waiting for your arrival you seem to specialise in bombing this system and make it your business across the forums, It took you a mere seven posts over here on OU com

1/ Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)

2/ Its taken you a mere Three posts to start your campaign of Libel on this thread Donald duck free energy generator

This being the case I assume you regard “mindfreer” and “yannicksonic “ and George Mitchell and all the other replications are lier’s?

There is a lot more information associated with this system to be released and considered yet. perhaps you could post pictures and a video of your own failed Hatem construction.?
Either way a simple proof of concept device has already been posted and the members on this thread will very rapidly prove the system one way or t'other to their own satisfaction, In your case Tagor at the moment I think “The Lady doth protest to much” and I would request that you post no more unsubstantiated allegations on this thread .. alligators are not wanted here!




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Good Mr whip your researching! Backup everything !! when I returned to this subject I found the links and threads ripped to bits, and as you can see I’ve struggled to reinstate the information.
It really is “information war” also the practical skills required take a bit of consideration (I worry about my own ability in that regard) Leon Hatem is a Mechanician “par excellence ”if fact an attempt was made in the 1970s to repeat the eclipse experiment .. but the mechanics could not be matched! Yeh I could do with having the skills of say Jetijs for a week or so . There is obviously still a great deal going on that is not “public Knowledge” people are studying this for various reasons not least anti gravity, unexplained temperature rise, and potential difference and so here is an odd assortment of “also rans”
1/ strange things hatem magnetic cogging - YouTube

2/ Untitled on Vimeo
3/ Untitled on Vimeo
4/ wtf ??? hatem device or coler? #3 faceplate and magnet temps - YouTube

5/ wft??? hatem device or coler? #2 face plate temps - YouTube

6/ well this just doesn't work - YouTube

It may seem like I am bombing you guys with information .. Its true I have worked hard to to put it all back together . I'm delighted to see its all being re- named and re-issued on various video channels .. good job! As for the information wouldn't you rather be working on an engineer able system where each stage can be verified demonstrated and proved until you arrive at a machine that is capable of of a huge > 1 C.O.P ? Or simply spend time,and money firing expensive arrows in no particular direction with very little chance of success ? For instance hows Ted ended up with this contraption?

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It seems a pity that some one should post under the heading !”There was another Einstein” in the first place It indicates a past tense and Leon although having a few years under his belt is still very much with us. And probably with his dying breath would still be a better artificer than I could ever hope to be!
As for another Einstein hells bells who would want one? The first one miss- directed and corrupted enough don’t you think? As Leedskalnin,, Tesla, De Palma, Lindermann, and Joe Flynn of course
How Parallel Path Gets Over Unity pointed out.
(Haven’t heard much from Joe or his system since he got sucked into the dubious bosom of the American military) Still.... All that aside if someone has gone to the trouble of translating one of Leon Hatems video's "Verbatim" then I am certainly going to link to it
There was another Einstein, he was french, his name was Hatem, page 1 for the benefit of this thread !
Its a pity the “sense” of Leon's spoken word isn’t better related .... still beggars can't be choosers! skywalk
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It seems a pity that some one should post under the heading !”There was another Einstein” in the first place It indicates a past tense and Leon although having a few years under his belt is still very much with us. And probably with his dying breath would still be a better artificer than I could ever hope to be!
As for another Einstein hells bells who would want one? The first one miss- directed and corrupted enough don’t you think? As Leedskalnin,, Tesla, De Palma, Lindermann, and Joe Flynn of course
How Parallel Path Gets Over Unity pointed out.
(Haven’t heard much from Joe or his system since he got sucked into the dubious bosom of the American military) Still.... All that aside if someone has gone to the trouble of translating one of Leon Hatems video's "Verbatim" then I am certainly going to link to it
There was another Einstein, he was french, his name was Hatem, page 1 for the benefit of this thread !
Its a pity the “sense” of Leon's spoken word isn’t better related .... still beggars can't be choosers! skywalk
Yea I'd like to add a few things I made an account just to discuss the matter "MORE" with you.

1st of all logically if theses devices worked would't you find them being made and commercially viable for the world?
Or at least heard of?

Don't give me that suppression non sense if that was true the whole world would be living the stoned aged lifestyle.
There are millions of rich investors who don't mind making millions more or probably billions off of theses inventions.

For countless months I've been watching these videos and searching more and more but their complete rubbish. Honestly if it was true they would've blown up by now with the media and billions would've been made.
Still the world uses fossil fuels instead why? because these devices dont work.

TO make something "change" or "better" you need to understand why its not working or not doing the job well enough understand the fundamental structure of it using both PHYSICS + MATH. they give obvious truth.

So far all those devices prof nothing unless their being produced.

AND I doubt there is a patent for this anyway. If there is I won't think its titled under "free-energy".

Hey don't get me wrong I'd like free-energy to be around but I'm realist STUDY the systems STUDY the laws of physics then consider them again using math to prove you're work not just blabber about it like what other are doing...

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Good Mr whip your researching! Backup everything !! when I returned to this subject I found the links and threads ripped to bits, and as you can see I’ve struggled to reinstate the information.
It really is “information war” also the practical skills required take a bit of consideration (I worry about my own ability in that regard) Leon Hatem is a Mechanician “par excellence ”if fact an attempt was made in the 1970s to repeat the eclipse experiment .. but the mechanics could not be matched! Yeh I could do with having the skills of say Jetijs for a week or so . There is obviously still a great deal going on that is not “public Knowledge” people are studying this for various reasons not least anti gravity, unexplained temperature rise, and potential difference and so here is an odd assortment of “also rans”
1/ strange things hatem magnetic cogging - YouTube

2/ Untitled on Vimeo
3/ Untitled on Vimeo
4/ wtf ??? hatem device or coler? #3 faceplate and magnet temps - YouTube

5/ wft??? hatem device or coler? #2 face plate temps - YouTube

6/ well this just doesn't work - YouTube

It may seem like I am bombing you guys with information .. Its true I have worked hard to to put it all back together . I'm delighted to see its all being re- named and re-issued on various video channels .. good job! As for the information wouldn't you rather be working on an engineer able system where each stage can be verified demonstrated and proved until you arrive at a machine that is capable of of a huge > 1 C.O.P ? Or simply spend time,and money firing expensive arrows in no particular direction with very little chance of success ? For instance hows Ted ended up with this contraption?

Hatem Magnetic Cogging Device - Heretical Builders

Research on !! knowledge is gold in suppressed technology

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Watched most of you're videos my friend they don't prove anything! Other than magnetic gearing.

They don't describe exactly how the excess energy is coming from nor do they understand what's going on I guess.

And again I'd like to say if they was"successful" wouldn't they be rich right now and we would all use it instead of fossil fuels?

They might not be lying but their definitely not telling the truth or they didn't understand the system and stated something completely false.

Over-unity can be achieved if another energy source is added to the system not created.
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Hi Mark I trust you'll excuse me answering your P.M message on the forum , as regards the patent numbers.
Here is the French Patent espacenet - Document original

As is always the case with technology that is regarded a dangerous by tptb it is contested else where, in this case by the U.S patent shown on this page which of course should be rejected out of hand if the US patents office does its search correctly.

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also Mark as you point out there is a huge physiological barrier which almost includes rage and incredulity in its arsenal , the first machine I managed to build which I knew was running with a COP > 1 was a Bedini mono pole with a flip flop which ran for months, Its hard to describe what happens mentally then but I certainly wasn’t very happy ! I was rather frightened, worried and angry, suddenly I was forced to realise that all those “rumours” were real and the François Cornish's and Stan Mayer’s and all the hundreds of others do get murdered and “disappeared”
The conspiracy theory really is a world wide fact, you seem to regard these dead and threatened people as “ non sense” an ironic pun … your going to have to discover and deal with that in your own way.

I would suggest this very old British TV documentary to be a good starting point Stan Meyer - It Runs On Water ( Full ) Hydrogen Oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy as for Hatems device in particular I would suggest you build a small “proof of concept” machine rather like this
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...0/DSCF0012.JPG
using model makers motors, The efficiency of the primary drive is particularly important 95% of motors or alternators which are commonly available are useless for this device..as each “cog” in the series follows the Fibonacci series, The manufacturers of aero motors are forced to use highly efficient motors if only in a very small “bandwidth” of their operation..
All over this forum Mark, from the three battery system to Don Smiths device COP > 1 is being demonstrated..... to reliably reproduce and understand why is everyone’s common goal.
I don't Intend posting video's yet. if I actually wanted to fake something I could think of no better tool ! And the little proof of concept machine I have built is driven by D.C and has 3x 3 phase outputs into star connected loads I'm impressed and will certainly keep researching and building.
And no .. I'm not prepared to try and post input and output figures on the thread and turn it into a typical instrument reading trolls festival.
If you are really a new member to the forum then welcome, and I hope you soon learn the scope of “free energy” and the sacrifices of those who have tried to liberate the knowledge.
You may of course just be AKA Tagor, you certainly seem to be tasked with all things “Hatem”
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im with markv on this one what i see is a 3kw or more motor running what im told is 4 2kw generators which are each running a 500 watt bulb or at most a 1000w bulb, either way its not even fully lit. The magnetic coupling is cute but i bet it cost a heap and took forever to setup. Lots of interesting links thanx and good to see someone so passionate about getting into it and doing it even if it doesnt work we all learn something from doing it. This all looks to me to be more about the magnetic coupling rather than free energy.
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Hi Garry thanks for your observation,I really don’t think this conception of Leons has anything to do with the size of the motors or the alternators / Generators It does however have everything to do with the efficiency of the machines, Rather in the fashion of the Rotorverter where a motor much larger than the desired KW loading is used for very high efficiency (in that particular situation). In short I suggest the 3kw motor is not operating anywhere near its rated full load.
As for where the excess energy comes from and being unable to see where it comes from I have never seen a COP > 1 machine working that has had the source of extra energy satisfactory explained and engineer-able … I guess if I had this search would be over in every respect,
The loading on the main drive does appear to follow a decreasing series as predicted by Leon however I need build a few more variations of better quality with far more accurate power measurement to be sure.
Of course Garry the odds are “Its just another hoax” but as you correctly point out the only way to find out is …. try it.
acid remarks by folks who contribute nothing to the building operation or research and shout scam whenever possible prove nothing, waste space,
and really as on all the threads they infest are about as much use as "tits on a kipper"
In fact Trollys tend to generate more interest in the subject matter and I Tend to wonder what information they are trying to bury and discredit.

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i think the only potetial in this is that the magnets will slip when the gens become overloaded but there is no multiplication in them. there is scope for the rotating magnetic field outside the motor and generators to have an effect on the motor and the generators as is often observed by people experimenting with additional magnets around their projects and of course there is the shaft load that has been removed but then there is the windage that has increased as well to offset these gains. A device that was publicly known 60 years ago with no result from it to date is unlikely to show something new and the guy with one of these in front of his house also had a lot of solar power and wind power there which wouldnt be needed if this worked in any way shape or form. And in all fairness here i must point out that every single off the shelf motor or generator is made in a way that shuts out the very substance most of us are working with that shows the possibility of free energy being there and so anyone with off the shelf product like these are surely fooling themselves and hoping to fool you and i as well. 1 watt above input is all it takes and that is the hardest watt to get once you have that the rest comes easy anyone with lots of watts without getting the first one is unlikely to have it at all.
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i think the only potetial in this is that the magnets will slip when the gens become overloaded but there is no multiplication in them. there is scope for the rotating magnetic field outside the motor and generators to have an effect on the motor and the generators as is often observed by people experimenting with additional magnets around their projects and of course there is the shaft load that has been removed but then there is the windage that has increased as well to offset these gains. A device that was publicly known 60 years ago with no result from it to date is unlikely to show something new and the guy with one of these in front of his house also had a lot of solar power and wind power there which wouldnt be needed if this worked in any way shape or form. And in all fairness here i must point out that every single off the shelf motor or generator is made in a way that shuts out the very substance most of us are working with that shows the possibility of free energy being there and so anyone with off the shelf product like these are surely fooling themselves and hoping to fool you and i as well. 1 watt above input is all it takes and that is the hardest watt to get once you have that the rest comes easy anyone with lots of watts without getting the first one is unlikely to have it at all.
Hi Garrys
consider this … In order to slip the system must slip at least “one magnet” or not at all, of course if you keep loading any part of the chain at some point it will slip, In fact that is exactly what should be avoided .. its made very clear in the video's that the system must be engineered into operational parameters just like any system! That’s so obvious its sort of kinder garden stuff so I wont bother labouring the point.
As for where does the power come from ? Consider this.... a pendulum who's BOB consists of a magnet
at the bottom of its swing it is positioned over another magnet with its poles in opposition, got the picture?
Can the BOB ever remain still? Of course not! Whilst I don’t claim to have just described perpetual motion in 25 words because of course the string must break in a thousand years or so Its getting very close.
I suppose the magnets might become de-magnetised at some point hundreds of years in the future ..perhaps? However I reckon the magnetic Kermits going to stay on my fridge door for a long time yet!
Unfortunately however the pendulum action appears to be random .
Of course its very difficult to extract useful power from a seemingly random action, but what if that “random action” is discovered to be … say two intertwined spiral magnetic fields?
LEEDSKALNIN.COM: MAGNETIC CURRENT RESEARCH

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Vortex Universe: Part 3, Russellian Science and Scared Geomtery of Spiraling Phi - YouTube

Leon has designed his wheels which turn in such a way as to counter act that “Natural spin” and so add power to the system in a linear Fibonacci series to each wheel in turn
I hope Garrys this answers all your questions but just to précis

1/ if you overload anything it will bollix up …. that’s why people engineer things
2/ The free energy is moving the pendulum … for ever … in the example given above
3/ Raoul proposes that the counter forces proposed by Leedskaline and demonstrated by magnet flipper above can be resolved by the counter spiral construction of the magnets on the rotors.

As for that one watt bollix .. its exactly that … they require a closed loop system, our universe is analogue, logarithmic and open circuit . John Bedini would have scooped up that million bucks long ago

1 watt challenge.wmv - YouTube

any more reference to that one watt evil rubbish will confirm your a very naughty boy!

However the very best wishes and I hope the explanation helps.


PS if you decide to build make sure the prime mover is uber efficent (which is why the systems escaped the drag net for 60 years) Leon made a mechanical system
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I don't pretend to understand why or how this works. I have in the past played with it and there is something to it. I mostly found the things that you do not want to do with it and it was frustrating project, for me anyway.
The thing I remember the most is the speed issues with it. At certain speeds the magnets would disconnect. No loads mind you. You could not gear infinitely with this kind if setup even in a freewheel state.

I have always looked backed on it, as I started to study Howard Johnson's magnetic theories and assemblies, which I have now quite a bit of experience with, and wondered what it was that cause the decoupling at certain speeds. Magnetism has a peculiar behavior when the field align to 30 deg or 60 deg angles. Anyone can measure HJ drawing and find that he used it extensively. If you can't find it in the drawing he did not put it there for a reason. But its still there.

"Hast thou entered into the treasure of the snow?"...Job 38:22

Snow flakes only have one commonality. They always branch at 60 degrees to start then from there on out they branch in 30 and 60 degree patterns.
Physics cannot mathematically predict why water does this when freezing.
So physics lacks the fundamental knowledge to predict natural magnetic behavior. Lets not even begin on the unknowns of gravity.

This type of system will assuredly have some 30 and 60 degree alignments as the magnets rotate on the wheel. Since we do not yet understand what happens at these angles (And I can prove something happen, and have many times...) There very well may be an inflow of energy to this system that is not explainable under Faraday's definition to magnetism.

So to say that all we have to do is apply physics to the problem and we will understand that there is nothing here is nonsense (No offense intended). Very little is understood about magnetism, Is the feeling I get. There are lots of things that happen in the natural that are only speculated on by very free thinking physicists, but will never be proven through the Human understanding of Math.

I eagerly wait for the day we can ask the creator what the answer is, but until then I'll look myself.

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Hi Matt as you say “there is something to it” like you I have experienced speed issues listen to "the hunting" in this early George Mitchell machine.
New Free Energy - YouTube
without some sort of feed back this system self destructs any one got a decent simple feed back control circuit for me ?
I do have more Information on this system Matt but I hesitate to throw it on open forum as its copyrighted stuff .. however I have PM'd the info to you and rather hope you can make the time to read through it as I would welcome a second opinion on this research .either by PM or preferably reworded and on open forum
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without some sort of feed back this system self destructs any one got a decent simple feed back control circuit for me ?
I do have more Information on this system Matt but I hesitate to throw it on open forum as its copyrighted stuff .. however I have PM'd the info to you and rather hope you can make the time to read through it as I would welcome a second opinion on this research .either by PM or preferably reworded and on open forum
Best wishes Duncan
I'll PM you back once I read through it all.
I have read one of them before and the Author has tendency to think a little too far out my liking, but its not to say he doesn't have point. I tend to shy away from any explanation that includes Gravity, as its a mystery. Where as magnetism in unconventional terms is not as much of a mystery especially if you factor in Johnson's work. Which seems to add up more than not.

I'll hollar you soon.

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As for "Hast thou entered into the treasure of the snow?" a very interesting area as we are all circa 60 - 70% water the stuff deserves serious consideration ! I must confess I prefer it with a head on it .. still that’s neither here nor there …. The following films and clips explain why I consider water and snow so very important

Water, Consciousness & Intent: Dr. Masaru Emoto - YouTube

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