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Old 04-09-2015, 05:03 AM
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GREAT!
We are getting nearer to the source of this story.
What have we got....
Dallas Morning News of January 24th 1993 (50 years after Tesla died, and 62 years after the supposed event) Article by A.C. Greene.
His source:
Article in a Packard Newsletter by Arthur Abrom (date unknown but after 1979). Notice that he mentions a 1 week testing period, which would certainly not go unnoticed. And "several newspapers in Buffalo reported this test", while we can not find one single copy.
Arthur also states that the US patent office holds 1200 patents by Nikola Tesla.... That is at least 10 x the realistic number. Here he loses some credibility....
No... I think he has lost all.


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Thought I'd pop this in - a post on another thread from JB which mentions what he feels were the dynamics behind Tesla's car:
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...At a different point in time I will discuss what the coil is and how quantum mechanics plays an important part in all of this and how you get the extra energy out of the system. I did write a paper for University of Edinburgh along with Dave Clemons that explained the way the coil works in the system as an energy pump and how the SSG in attraction mode works. This is why I said, the Back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. If you look at the coil in space it can be viewed with vectors all pointing in but not coupled to form energy. As the coil is pulsed compression and decompression takes place these vectors get sucked in through the Bloch Wall while it is in compression mode forming magnetic poles, North and South. This was never released to the public as it would drive everybody nuts. The Engineers at the school answered me with; we never looked at it this way. But the analyses were correct and explained why some machines work better in different areas of this God forsaken planet. Yes Gravity plays an important part in all of this. It’s only a matter of time when you will tap that Gravity wave for energy as that is where my experiments have led me in my work. I know you will read this many times to understand what I have just said and you all know the meaning of this if you do it. If we take this further you now have discovered the answer to the TPU. Some say that the Shaman resonance is responsible for this but the energy is driven by gravity that permeates everything throughout space it’s just a matter how it’s taped for energy. Solid state devices detect this wave if arranged correctly and then the TPU becomes not complicated anymore with windings and high frequency’s oscillators that is what powered Tesla’s car, the box with many vacuum tubes, so again the term Free Energy is wrong as you must put some form of energy in to start the process of conversion and hope you get more out.
Just remember that the energy cannot be destroyed it can only be converted into another form, for example the last version of the SSG...
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Thought I'd pop this in - a post on another thread from JB which mentions what he feels were the dynamics behind Tesla's car:
Let's investigate this issue . What we know ? We know Tesla used ordinary car with removed engine. So, most probably there was car battery in place. We know he used a bunch of vaccum tubes high power probably . Thus he was able to create oscillating or alternating current from car battery, right ? He was able to create large power due to many power vaccum tubes BUT for a very very small period of time ! That's obvious to me. He may tap radio waves but that's useless if he didn't used capacitors to amplify power.
We have no info if any capacitors were used and probably they weren't.
However the most important tip is about iron rods.

I bet Tesla used regenerative process which Barbosa & Leal tried to patent lately.
Some versatile apparatus which runs exactly like Hubbard device : connected once to the power source of alternating current it was able to produce 40kW continously by FEEDING BACK power to the input and rely on iron hysteresis to control maximum output power . Truly the genious idea and truly perpetuum mobile device , first mentioned by Daniel McFarland Cook.
The only problem is if there is any isotopic change inside iron which can release neutron radiation during the process. This danger is though limited as we have plenty of DC-AC and DC-DC inverters runnin in saturation mode, why nobody reported radiation ????
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Old 04-12-2015, 01:52 AM
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Let's investigate this issue . What we know ?
Yes! Let's DO investigate this issue!
What do we know?

We know that this story most likely NEVER HAPPENED.

Still people are trying to find out HOW something was done that NEVER was done.
Time to wake up and move on!


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We know that this story most likely NEVER HAPPENED.
Why do you take this view?

There is little doubt that his knowledge was more than necessary to achieve the goal. He may well have been given a warning from those upon whose toes he was about to tread.
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Here is the riddle :

Alfred M. Hubbard: Coil Generator

"Alfred M. Hubbard, Seattle boy inventor of a device which for want of a better name he terms an atmospheric power generator, yesterday made good his prediction that he would drive a motorboat with the apparatus as a source of
power."

so he was from Seattle.....but .......later we have .....:

"I never heard of this Lester J. Hendershot, the Pittsburgh electrical engineer who is demonstrating the motor", Hubbard said, "but it must be remembered that I worked on the invention for two years in Pittsburgh -- in 1921 and 1922. It was a Dr. Greenslade who represented the people who were financing me at the time -- but, of course, if the people who bought out most of my interest in the invention were to bring it out as their own machinery, they would probably do it through a man with whom I had never worked. I was employed by the radium Chemical Company at the time I was working in Pitsburgh".

Now if you look at Daniel McFarland Cook patent :

"Be it known that I, Daniel McFarland Cook, of Mansfield, in the county of Richland and State of Ohio, have invented an Electro-Magnetic Battery, of which the following is a specification:...."


"Nikola Tesla - On His Work With Alternating Currents" : Tesla in first words said :
" This, of course, interested me very much, but the work was interrupted in 1888 when I had to go to Pittsburgh to attend to the manufacture of the motors."

Very insteresting coincidence indeed. 4 great inventors related to the same place : Pittsburgh an Mansfield (2 hours away). Now, I'm in Poland in Europe, but if I were near Pittsburgh i would check if any more information is in local library
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We may never find primary source information to absolutely confirm this happened. But knowing what we know now about tapping the power in the dielectric realm, we ourselves have the means to make it happen. Perhaps we need to accept that the car story might never be proven either way and move on to discuss how we can make it happen.

The JB quote I posted above gives some clues. He wasn't there either, but he's telling us a little about how it can be done. Boguslaw mentions a feedback pulse system, the Hubbard coil and DM Cook coils. There are other ways as well. JB talks about pulsing a coil which results in dielectricity converging into the coil at the bloch wall (dielectric plane).

Can we perhaps proceed with a discussion on how we might make the car story happen today?
Bob

Edit: I was working on this post off and on over the last 45 minutes (kept getting called away), and realized I was probably writing while you were, Boguslaw. I think your Pittsburgh angle is a good one for someone to check up on.
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Old 04-13-2015, 01:38 AM
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"Nikola Tesla - On His Work With Alternating Currents" : Tesla in first words said :
" This, of course, interested me very much, but the work was interrupted in 1888 when I had to go to Pittsburgh to attend to the manufacture of the motors."
Can you give me a link to the full article that you got this quote from?
(my version does not include this text. Though, I agree he did go to Pittsburgh to help Westinghouse manufacturing motors that should run on 133 Hz.)


@wrtner,
read my earlier posts in this thread, they provide your answer.

@Bob Smith,
Tesla said: "Nihil in sacculo quod non fuerit in capite"
Before even thinking about taking up such quest, perhaps one should try to get a better understanding of electricity and its role in our universe first. I believe that there lies the secret of Tesla's inventions. He understood something that we do not.


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I think it would be helpful to explore the principles behind how it might be possible to access the dielectric to power electric motors. In terms of research, I would agree that it is always best to go back to the time-tested classics and work from there. However, in these forums there is usually some working backward from phenomena, to see how they align with such principles; often these phenomena help us truly understand what we can't comprehend on paper. I personally see the phenomena discussed and demonstrated by people like Don Smith, EPD, Bearden, JB and others as occasions for us to find concrete manifestations of principles expressed by Tesla. In this sense, I think we all have to contribute from where we're at, and will hopefully arrive at the same general place, some earlier than others.
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Old 04-14-2015, 03:55 AM
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Bob,

To drive a small car at, say 100 km/h, you'd need at least 50 KW.
(I am talking about a car as bought from the shop, not a university designed zero air-drag minimum friction prototype)

Did, as far as you know, any of those you mention produce this kind of power out of thin air, radiations or some other source that could be accessed by a mobile receiver?
I have not seen any of such evidence.

I think that if you want to take up such project, you should do it systematically.
- what power source can you use
- how can you tap it
and work from there.

The school-girl won't get you anywhere.


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I suppose the power source in all such cases (D.McFarland Cook,Tesla's car,Hendershot&Hubbard devices and also Perrigo and Leedscalnin devices) are electromagnetic field of Earth tapped through iron usage. Gravity is a part of this field I believe. Iron allow to concentrate field to obtain currents in hundreds of amps. Of course all those are presumptions but in fact if you think enough about it - it's the most logical explanation. Especially if you connect all information about those inventors. One thing I can say : some of their devices seems "linear" and some have a direct feedback path working in non-linear mode, more spectacular but also more dangerous.
It's so simple you would laugh - remember ?
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Can you give me a link to the full article that you got this quote from?
(my version does not include this text. Though, I agree he did go to Pittsburgh to help Westinghouse manufacturing motors that should run on 133 Hz.)


@wrtner,
read my earlier posts in this thread, they provide your answer.

@Bob Smith,
Tesla said: "Nihil in sacculo quod non fuerit in capite"
Before even thinking about taking up such quest, perhaps one should try to get a better understanding of electricity and its role in our universe first. I believe that there lies the secret of Tesla's inventions. He understood something that we do not.


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I bought L.Anderson book few years ago (shipping from US to Europe!) because it is so valuable ! ...but if you cannot find it (and I know it's hard to get a copy) nowadays it is plenty of copies in pdf format online (not so legal imho) . I hope posting one link would not be a sin

Anyway just google "nikola tesla on his work with alternating currents" and get pdf as second link (probably)
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:57 AM
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Thanks! I now see there are many chapters missing in my copy...

Anyway, that has been solved now. Lots of new things to read.


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Bob,

To drive a small car at, say 100 km/h, you'd need at least 50 KW.
(I am talking about a car as bought from the shop, not a university designed zero air-drag minimum friction prototype)

Did, as far as you know, any of those you mention produce this kind of power out of thin air, radiations or some other source that could be accessed by a mobile receiver?
I have not seen any of such evidence.

I think that if you want to take up such project, you should do it systematically.
- what power source can you use
- how can you tap it
and work from there.

The school-girl won't get you anywhere.


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Ernst,
You have one ultimate power source: the ambient electrostatic environment (aether).
You tap the ambient's electrostatic charge via a proper antenna with a virtual ground to produce a pulse.
Once you have a pulse, you can produce an oscillation; once you have oscillation, you can draw in the power of the power of the aether as John Bedini describes.

Now, you can also use a small battery to generate a pulse and oscillation, but your main power source running the load (i.e., the car's electric motor) is the aether.

It is the load that determines how much charge is drawn into the system via the pulsed coil. A battery (or antenna) is merely a tiny catalyst.
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Tesla's Battery for his Pierce Arrow Experiment may have been HV Capacitors

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Bizzy

I read the other day, (cannot find link at the moment) that Tesla also used a special battery with the car. The battery apparently had replaceable zinc plates, with spares in the boot. I hadn't read that in other reports about this car so though worth mentioning.

Regards

John
With the right circuitry, HV capacitors may be what someone erroneously took to be batteries....

Tesla's Pierce Arrow Electric Car Experiment of 1931

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Teslas Pierce Arrow Electric Car Experiment Of 1931 : Vinyasi : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

Hence, no radio broadcast of power and its reception need be done. Self-excitation is intrinsically possible in an idealized circuit.

As always, it takes a wizard such as Eric Dollard or Nikola Tesla to make a WoW idea into a reality. I am not in that company just because I can simulate it. I have zero background in electrical engineering.
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Radioisotope battery

In the November 1928 Popular Science magazine there is an article titled “A Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” by Alden P. Armagnac in which he interviews Tesla. That article contains the following: “And – more widely interesting in this day of radio – this strange, many-sided man clings to the opinion he expressed in his scientific investigations published from 1896-1898, that the source of all rays we know is always a stream of tangible particles or ‘corpuscles,’ rather than waves or vibrations. Even before the discovery of radium, Tesla expressed his belief that radioactive rays were of this sort, a view ridiculed at that time. When radium was discovered it was found actually to emit particles of matter – flying nuclei of helium atoms, called ‘alpha’ rays. Tesla has maintained ever since that radium is not a generator but a transformer of energy, the emanations being caused by cosmic rays of immense power capable of penetrating all obstacles however thick.” The “capable of penetrating all obstacles however thick” relates to neutrinos.
Popular Science Archive | Popular Science – Popular Science article

In an article titled “Tesla, 75, Predicts New Power Source” in the July 5, 1931 New York Times Tesla states “The phenomena of radioactivity are not the result of forces within the radioactive substances but are caused by this ray emitted by the sun. If radium could be screened effectively against this ray it would cease to be radioactive.” It matters little for this article whether or not this is true or not because it is what Tesla believed.

In the article “Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May Transmit Power ‘Round Earth” by John A. O’NEILL for the Brooklin Eagle dated July 10, 1932 Tesla states, “The attractive feature of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons.” I believe he was speaking of what we today call neutrinos. There are billions of them passing through your body every second of every day. We don’t notice them because they rarely interact with matter. That’s not to say they never interact with matter and it seems probable, to me at least, they could be the thing that makes radioactive matter radioactive because it is unstable and this tiny amount of energy tips the balance and the radioactive matter ejects a particle.

In the same article Tesla says, ”I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device.”, i.e. use the cosmic rays to release energy from radioactive material to power a "motive device".
Note the year is 1932.

In the same article, above, Tesla states “The attractive feature of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight.

The power source for the car was said to be capable of powering a home when not in use in the vehicle and it was said to have no battery, i.e. the neutrinos shower down the whole 24 hours to activate the radioactive material so power will be available to power a home at night.

In a New York Times article published on July 11, 1937 titled “Sending of Messages to Planets Predicted by Dr. Tesla On Birthday" is the following statement: “Reports of discoveries by which it will be possible to communicate with the planets and to produce radium in unlimited quantity for $1 a pound were announced by Dr. Nikola Tesla yesterday at a luncheon on his eighty-first birthday at which he was honored with high orders from the Yugoslav and Czechoslovak Governments.”

Why would the cost of producing radium be of concern to Tesla? To grasp the importance of one dollar per pound of radium we need to look at the radium reserves of the time. The following article is from The Sydney Morning Herald published on February 11, 1935 and titled "Price of Radium. Big Drop Expected."
London Feb. 10.
"The 'Sunday Express' says: - 'By the development of sources of radium in the Great Bear Lake (Canada), which are believed to be sufficient to supply the whole Empire, it is expected that the value of radium will drop from £10,000 to £1,000 per gramme. The present world's stock is 600 grammes; London hospitals between them have three-quarters of an ounce (about 31 grammes) valued at £250,000.'"
11 Feb 1935 - PRICE OF RADIUM. BIG DROP EXPECTED. Developing C... - Price of radium

A British Pound in 1935 has the purchasing power of about £58 GBP today. So in 1935 the cost in today's money was £580,000 per gram and was expected to be reduced to £58,000 per gram. Dr. Tesla speaks of obtaining radium for $1.00 per pound and there are roughly 450 grams in a pound so that would be $0.0022 per gram at that time. Examine the following for a grasp of this. What Things Cost in 1935: Car, $580; Gasoline, 19 cents/gal; House, $6,300; Bread, 8 cents/loaf; Milk, 47 cents/gal; Postage Stamp, 3 cents; Stock Market, 144; Average Annual Salary, $1,500.
Google Answers: Cost of household items in 1935? - What Things Cost in 1935

Again, why would Tesla care about the cost of radium? Consider the possibility that Tesla developed what we know today as a radioisotope battery. It is called a battery but is not what we normally think of as a battery that would be used in a car because once assembled they can supply power for up to 40 years. So they are a primary battery (non-rechargeable) but with a very, very long life. I propose that Tesla’s 1931 Pierce-Arrow was powered by such a device. And the statement that it could power a home when not in use for transportation fits this idea also.

On page 13 of the PDF document at the following link is shown a diagram of an early 1950’s radioisotope battery. It is, essentially, a Tesla radiant energy collector. The source is Sr-90 which would take the place of the Roentgen or Lenard tube in his patent, the dielectric is the insulation around the elevated plate, and the collector is the elevated plate. The page states the voltage is high – 7kV.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanc...chardKorea.pdf - Radioisotope batteries

It is necessary here, again, to understand history. There were absolutely no government controls whatsoever on radioactive materials until after it was proven that they could be weaponized by the use of atomic bombs in Japan. It wasn’t until the 1950’s that governments started imposing controls. So in the 1932 to 1937 time frame there would be no government involvement or prohibition against using radioactive materials in an energy generator.
http://www.orau.org/ptp/PTP%20Librar.../ramreview.pdf - Radioactive Material Regulations History

Radioisotope batteries are in use today. The two Voyager spacecraft which are just now exiting the solar system into interstellar space use a variation known as a radioisotope thermoelectric generator for both power and heat. Its primary output is heat and thermocouples convert some of the heat to electricity. Their distance from the sun makes solar arrays useless and service is out of the question. They were launched in 1977 and are expected to have enough power to transmit data through 2020 and possibly 2025. Radioisotope batteries were also used in the Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Galileo, Ulysses, Cassini, New Horizons and the Mars Science Laboratory. RTGs were used to power the two Viking landers and for the scientific experiments left on the moon by the crews of Apollo 12 through 17.
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/flash_html.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/26/us...r-battery.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_battery

IMO, the antenna was a red herring.
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It might be that Hubbard, Hendershot, Amman and other inventors in the period 1910-1930 used radium as a source of energy, but I'm strongly opposing the idea it was the only source of electric current generated. It was rather the source of initial current to sustain oscillation long enough..or maybe it was not required at all. We probably won't know. However what Jerome Meyers and Harry Perrigo made suggest that the source of energy is simply Earth magnetic field.
Roy J. Meyers: Absorber (Atmospheric Electrical Generator)
Perrigo theory also supports this statement. Atmospheric electricity is not the static electricicty in air as we though - it is the magnetic field around us.
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In the November 1928 Popular Science magazine there is an article titled “A Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” by Alden P. Armagnac in which he interviews Tesla.

IMO, the antenna was a red herring.
Why would we trust the media of that day to share with us Tesla's
heart felt convictions about nuclear? The empire of Tesla's day not
only controlled the media but burnt down his lab.

All this hype about secret radiation emitting rays was all Tesla is a
lie and fits the programming today so people by more MOX stocks.

Here is a short list of the S.N.A.P. program, I was 9 years old during
the 60's when I first read this.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_for_Nuclear_Auxiliary_Power#SNAP-1

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All this hype about secret radiation emitting rays was all Tesla is a
lie...
There are two lies in that statement. There was nothing "secret" about any of it. It's all in the public domain. And it wasn't "all Tesla".

Michael Faraday coined the term "radiant matter" in 1815. Heinrich Geissler created the "Geissler tube"in 1857. Sir William Crookes coined the term "radiant energy" in 1879 and created the “radiometer” and “Crookes tube” which was a modified Geissler tube. Philipp Lenard modified the Crookes tube to create the “Lenard tube” in 1894. Wilhelm Roentgen discovers the X-ray using modified Crookes and Lenard tubes 1895. Both the Lenard and Roentgen tubes are cited in Tesla’s Radiant energy patent.
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tes...gy?pq=Njg1OTU3

To understand the significance of studying cathode rays we must understand that at the time the investigations were occurring the atom was considered the absolute minima of matter – there were no subatomic particles and, in the mind of the scientists of the day, there could be no subatomic particles. These investigations led to the realization that the cathode rays were particles of matter smaller than atoms traveling in straight lines at very high velocities in the tubes, that the trajectory of the particles could be manipulated by magnetic and electrical fields, and that the particles could pass through the wall of the tube without breaking it. The very notion of subatomic particles overthrew the idea that the atom was absolute minima of matter, a very fundamental change in physics.

Not only were the particles subatomic but they carried an electrical charge and could be manipulated with electromagnetic fields. And their charge existed both inside and outside the vacuum tubes, i.e. wireless transmission of electrical charge.

In 1896 Henri Becquerel discovered that uranium salts emitted rays that resembled the cathode rays discovered by Roentgen in 1895 in their penetrating power. He demonstrated that this radiation did not depend on an external source of energy but seemed to arise spontaneously from uranium itself.

So here we have a natural source of radiating particles carrying an electrical charge that does not require an artificially generated stimulation to cause the emission of the charged particle.

Learning of Becquerel’s work, Marie Curie decided to study the rays emitted by uranium salts for a thesis. Her husband Pierre and his brother had previously developed a device to detect weak electrical charge. She used it to discover that the air around a sample of uranium salts was electrified and that the strength of the electrification was dependent only on the quantity of the sample. She hypothesized that the radiated electrification was not a result of molecular interactions but came from the atom itself. During her work she isolated polonium, thorium, and radium.

There was an overlapping of time when Tesla was studying radiant energy from the macrocosm (he mentions the sun and cosmic rays regularly) and others were studying radiant energy from the microcosm of the atom. They are essentially the same thing – charged particles traveling in straight lines, or “rays”, that can move electrical charge from one place to another – wireless transmission of energy. Tesla confirms this with his position in an Electrical World and Engineer article of January 7, 1905: “I have noted with satisfaction the first signs of a change of scientific opinion. The brilliant discovery of the exceptionally ‘radio-active’ substance, radium and polonium, by Mrs. Sklodowska Curie, has likewise afforded me much personal gratification, being [a resounding] confirmation of my early experimental demonstrations, of electrified radiant streams of primary matter or corpuscular emanations (Electrical Review, New York, 1896-1897), which were then received with incredulity.”

As far as I know, it's only you who is calling it "secret" and "all Tesla".
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There are two lies in that statement.
As far as I know, it's only you who is calling it "secret" and "all Tesla".
So now i am a liar. I already knew what you would say. You missed
the point. The point is that the slippery folks of this time would like
to hang a random trophy around Tesla's neck for any and every
promotional spin spree that crawls up their wind pipe.

The nuclear cartel loves you and the death it brings. Go buy stock.

Oh and don't forget to post more proof about how awesome nuclear is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWc7z-N3QGY

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Old 10-05-2017, 12:47 PM
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There is nothing inherently evil about nuclear energy. In fact, we wouldn’t exist without the nuclear energy from the sun. Nuclear fission has also occurred naturally in Africa. Search “Oklo reactor”.

Every technology ever developed on this planet, from the arrowhead to the laser, has at some point been weaponized. We already have remote controlled robots that kill from half a world away in the form of drones. And lasers are now being used to destroy aircraft in flight, ships on the ocean, and vehicles on the ground. Computerized artificial intelligence won’t be any different.

Weaponization of new technologies will continue. If anyone develops a new, more efficient source of energy production, it too will be used to manufacture weapons. I submit that electricity itself has been used to create far more weapons that have killed far more people than nuclear bombs ever have. In fact, the nuclear bombs couldn’t have been manufactured without electrical machine tools to make the components needed in the nuclear bombs to the tolerances required. Electrical machine tools were used to create weapons in the form of guns, bombs, chemical and biological weapons, ships, tanks, airplanes, etc. before nuclear weapons even existed. And it continues and it will continue.

Engineering (Chernobyl) and natural (Fucushima earthquake) disasters have also befallen the most benign form of electricity production – hydroelectric dams.

No form of energy is bad per se. It is what people do with it that determines the benefit or detriment. At the same time every form of energy is a double edged sword. Warm you hands or burn down a city with fire. Produce medical diagnostic images or launch projectiles with magnetism. Provide light to perform emergency surgeries at night or to produce weapons 24/7/365 with electricity.

So spare us from your self-righteous indignation about nuclear power generation while you work towards developing some competing method of electrical power generation. In the end, it too, if you are successful, will be used to produce ways and means of killing people.

And, yes, RTG’s are in fact awesome. They produce heat and electrical power for the Voyager spacecraft 24/7/365 for 40+ years with, obviously, zero refueling and zero maintenance. They have also been used here on earth to power lighthouses in locations around the Arctic Circle that are nearly impossible to access on a regular basis.
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