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Old 03-13-2012, 01:47 PM
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Free Magnetic Generator

My name is Tony, Im from Argentina.
Perhaps this is not the place to submit this thread. Just let me know.
I have developed many free magnetic generators in low scale (You can see some videos on internet by "Torian" or Torian 3").
In a few days I`m finishing a 1HP free megnetic generator and Motor.
Im not needing any money for this developement. I allready have an investor.
Now Im trying to get it patented.
Once I heve it ready, I would like to contact a big company interested in Susteinable Energy and enviroment, to invest in produce my generator.
I hope somebody in this forum can give me an advise on how to contact Google, Apple, Microsoft or any other big company for that purpose.
Im sorry for my bad english.
Thanks

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Old 03-13-2012, 04:56 PM
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I can tell you right now that there is no way that you will be able to find a company in the United States to produce them or be able to get a patent there either.

The United States Government has a law that says the patent office can declare your invention secret, and prosecute you if you try and give out the information. They do this in the name of 'national security'. Any motor or generator design that gets better than 80 or 90 percent efficiency can be named a threat to national security and confiscated.
There is a long history of the US Government threatening, arresting, and sabotaging inventions that would threaten the oil and gas industry.

Dont try and patent it. The only way that free energy is going to get to the people is if you give it away for free, and place a free licensing agreement on it to make sure it stays public.

Good luck.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:04 PM
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Thanks for your advice.
There are similar patents that had no problem, like Howard Johnsons or Bedinis.
Perhaps is better to get it patented in Europe first or South America.
I made contact with a bureau specialized in patents and told me that is not that difficult.
Ill keep on trying.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:44 PM
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Torian, i do not have hope too about, that you can proper patent it and bring it on the Market.
There dissappeared a lot of Things, what some Guys found, developed, sold, and then it did dissapear or was rebuild with a bad efficience, examples Crystal Cell, Batteries, what an Austrian made, and what seems did work for a very long Time, the latest one Hempel, what had an Investor too, and we dont hear anything from any Side, that a Device like his one will come into the Market.
H Johnsons Patent is may from a different Time, where it was easier to patent it, the most from the Materials like the Alnicos are not available in this Form, or not payable, the Construction itself is a lot Effort, and noone can be sure, if the Plans are complete or they will work as it is described in the Patents.
J Bedini never patented a Device what has unusual Properties, most is about charging Batteries.
And seriously, i dont expect, that anyone is waiting, especially the Industry to get a Device what anyone can have and they can not put a Meter on it, especially today, where the Tax on anything are needed to pay the useless Debts in our System. Go figure, what any Gov would do against it, when they would miss that tax. Newman has couple Patents also, and his Motors obviously are very efficient, but seriously, do you see his Motors anywhere? Same goes for this Guy, Manufacturer of clean water hydraulic motors, high efficenty Water Pumps, but does someone see his Pumps anywhere used? All I can see is a lot crap what we can buy any Day in Walmart and the rest from the super cheap -we need to increase our Sales- Supermarkets.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:35 AM
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I totally agree with the above. The Gov does not want the people to be independent. Why would the capitalist want such a product in the market.
Why not just build it yourself and start selling? How long can this motor work? Can it made any bigger lets say to run a house?
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:05 PM
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I agree. I know that this goes against many powerful interests.
But Solar Energy and Wind Turbines too.
This will not change the world from one day to another.
Imagine electricity in the desert, imagine electricity in cities after a catastrophe, imagine an electric car that will not need to be plugged.
This will give at least 1HP, may be more.
This is the first stone wheel. Then it will evolute and will be smaller, and more powerful.
Perhaps some day electric devices will be auto sustainable with its own power supply incorporated.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:22 PM
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Well your device is different as it can be run whenever day/night. The problem with solar and wind power is that it can produce power at a certain time. So the excess will have to be stored somewhere and batteries cost a lot and only last about 10 years maximum. And not many people can afford this technology even though it has become a lot cheaper over the last few years.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:23 PM
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If you're after money and fame, you will be disappointed. However if you wish to sustain yourself with humble means, then you will receive a greater reward. For you own sake I suggest sharing your idea and avoid the problems. I highly doubt anyone here will be able to reproduce any of your results anyways. That's usually the case.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:59 PM
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Maybe you can put it on a DVD , a building instructions movie!!

I buy one from you!

Cheers

Brian
Energy Creator, Home build PMG Gnerators / alternators
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:07 AM
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Make that two
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Old 03-16-2012, 10:26 AM
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Quote from OU.com from Email Traffic between L. Mannix and S Marks.
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I would like to answer a few questions I have read on Stefan's web site..
I would like to mention Stefan and Freedom fuel and Bushwacker and Mica individually but
instead I will just make statements that can be relevant to whomever as needed.
First of all:
1 There are several parts of the power unit which have patents. Remember that the
power unit technology is owned by the UEC corporation and I have to be very careful
about not stepping on their toes. I am not afraid of them or anything like that. It is just that
they are the legitimate owners of the patents and most of the research ect. I would not like
to break my trust with them.

However, I can, and will give to all of you as much information as I can. I believe that I will
be able to give you enough information to begin research on your own. I just have to pass
it in front of my attorney first so I do not get myself into trouble, that's all.
2 I will in time give out a basic Hardware diagram which you may find helpful.
3 No, I will not publish a schematic diagram of the control circuit. It is proprietary
information owned and controlled by the UEC Corporation, so I won't go there.
4 I will tell you about my initial experiments and what Electron tube circuits I used to
control the frequencies that gave us our significant breakthroughs way back when.
5 Yes, Stefan I do intend to point you in the right direction. You deserve at least that
much for all of the good effort you have put forth for so long. And especially your
kindness to me.
6 About the Flame like Discharge. Yes it does cause RF burns. I was going to tell about
that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would take one of you to realize this on your
own. Bravo!
7 The patents are in several segments pertaining only to the control units not the
collector coil itself, so I will send you examples of the hardware diagrams. however, I do
not have access to a PC at all times so it will take some time for me to be able to scan
things and send them off, be patient please. Also I am not spending all my time sitting in
front of a PC reading and sending. I must travel to a public place in order to safely send
any information at all.
8 YES, toroidal transformers have some very weird factors.. Study the strange factors.
9 Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of
things. But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic
resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does my power
unit.
10 We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some
very astounding results.
I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of
the reports about our experiments with what was called, the Magnetic shadow casting
material? No it wasn't some kind of paint. But you would be fascinated with the amount of
renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet! We went through about ten
thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our
experiments. I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie
in to our development of the power unit.
11 Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single
dimensional?
they are not . . .they can't be.
12 Who ever it was that said there might be possibly military applications for this
technology is a very wise man. We believe that is probably the primary government
interest followed by the ever popular oil industry trying to stop it.

13 I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However, they do look like it. And some of what
you said is not far off at all.
14 Both Freedomfuel and bushwacker have good and relevant points. (what are they?)
15 Yes there is inertia.

The TPU Topic goes on since when? 20 Years and no public Informations about it yet, not a breath of any Information that there are Units like that in the Public?

This is one Example from a few more what i know from, bigger Corporations, what rule the market dont care about single Peoples neither about Green Energy or the Enviroment, only when you have the Money to pay them for that, their main interest are her Sales and her own concern, like they got thaught in School.

I mainly think too, when you will start your own Business, do it by your own, and dont trust other Guys what runs a own Business beside yours. But even then i do not think, that this is a Warranty for a Device like that, even when its similar to Brady/Lutec, and just another Proof, that it (dont) reach the Market, for what Reasons ever.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:01 PM
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The only way to get free energy to the people is to give it away for free. You will never make it through the patent office, corrupt as it has become.

For those of you who have a design, and want to share it with people, and make sure it stays free, I suggest that you look up something called a "copyleft". (Check the wikipedia page for more info)

The basic idea is that a copyleft (as opposed to a copyright) is like a licensing agreement used for open source tech. It says something to the effect of "You can use this information, and these designs, and quote from my stuff, or you can improve and change it to make it better, but you have to quote the original material, and keep passing it along as it was passed to you."

Doing this retains some of the rights of the original creator, and forces every subsequent person who obtains it to sign a copyleft license, legally requiring them to pass the original and their modifications to the next person for free. This also prevents anyone from trying to steal or patent your invention or method in the name of capitalism and keep it from getting to market, or pricing it out of the grasp of the general public.

That's about the only way that I see it working anyway. Open source, free information, and worldwide collaboration for the good of us all. That's the whole point, right? FREE ENERGY HAS TO BE FREE!

My mag-lev rodin pulse generator/stator idea is the same thing. I'm keeping it open source, not patenting everything, and hoping that it will work out to be something easily replicated by everyone. Once I finally get the thing right, I'll write a set of diagrams, schematics, and publish full instructions on how to make it for everybody who wants one.

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Old 03-18-2012, 08:28 PM
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Free Energy.

Hi There. I am sitting in Norway and follow you on this. I agree with you in this. I want diagrams and explanations from you if possible.

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Old 03-20-2012, 04:36 PM
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No problem GreenTest. You can see the post that I put in the renewable energy section and check out the basics of my design, which are based on the device built by the youtube user 'skycollection'.

Here's the link for my thread: Mag Lev Pulse Motor & Stator Generator Idea

You can also check out the little jpeg image that I put at the bottom of the second post I made to the thread, which shows a basic design of what I'm doing. It's not very impressive, since I whipped it up on windows paint, but it effectively illustrates my goal.

TinMan,
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:26 PM
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Hello Tony
I saw your two videos at youtube, and I was impressed by your motor generator.
As many of the gentlemen here have already written, to protect an invention with a patent, is the best way to loose it for ever.
I subscribe to the concept of manufacturing and commercialize it by yourself as you have already an investor.
In this case, youll have only to deal with the Argentinas industry ministry.
If you make a small noise, you will not become a millionaire at once, but you and your invention will survive.
Anyway, patented or not, any of your devices may be (and will be) copied by China, and manufactured at a 90% lower price, so. . . Take your own conclusions.
By the way it was an argentinian wise man (Silo) who said:Slo lo que das, es realmente tuyo.

Hasta pronto
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:55 PM
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Additional suggestion: at the time of patenting, NEVER call it FREE Magnetic generator, better call it a "long term transformer" or any other stupid name from your imagination that does not disclose its true nature.
cheers
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Alvaro,
Thanks for your advice.
I think that's the key to patent it
As soon as I have news I will post new videos and info.
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Very fascinating generator, however.
If we truly are to gain the gigantic benefits from your machinery in the future, don't aim for the simple patent.
You'll most likely end up with a machine which is made intentionally to break at some point. You know, planned obsolescence, the heart of Capitalism.

And we highly unlikely wont ever become independent beings, if that's where all the great inventions ends up.
So, please think about that, before your probably, unintentionally boosting the way this economy work now a days. :-)
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Copyleft plus

It is also known that you can license on a per build by others basis using an non disclosure agreement. What we have seen in the past is normally a licensing fee per unit produced of around 10% of grossed profit. This is a step toward becoming an independent patent type rights and is defensible in a court of law as well way of protecting your legal rights. It also will make secure a reasonable amount of safety to the inventor. You can play around with "clauses" and "exceptions" as any patented invention as well. This may be the best and safest option we have seen. And it secures you a name in factual history and insures that your idea will not vanish and be lost for another period of time until some other inventor happenstances into a working similar generator.

Rightfully so you would earn a nice margin on each unit and you could keep your name on each product if that is your desire.

We caution you that others before you, not making their process known, have met with grave consequences. Big oily will not be happy nor still and will see this product as a immense threat to the seldom challenged domain.

I personally have watch your video many times and wondered if the device will ever benefit mankind. Omission of doing something to help mankind is what the energy production companies greatest failure is at this time and they will someday be held accountable. You are like Froto standing at the edge of the fires of Mt. Doom. Throw the device into world production and you will break the greed cycle. The way is that simple to saving thousands upon thousands of needless suffering would wide.

Good luck and God's speed to your efforts.

Richard Williams AND a big to you from all of us!
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my man post it. you can put your paypal link at the bottom. If you sell it to the companies, they'll either use it to develop themselves, while we stay here and suffer to buy oil. Many of these devices have been patented and yet we do not see any that is been seen in the market, mainly because the pat. office has hidden the real details of the device nd the public will cont. to suffer, that no device have been found.you talk about hojo motor, was n't howard johnson killed. As far I am concerned, Bedini did not patent a real energy device, he only patented a device for charging battery. So u see? my man post it.
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"ENERGY" can not be created or destroyed. Is it that easy to fool you all? If you argue with me about this then show me you're WORKING proof not some dude who's posting videos on the internet(if he had something big I'd doubt he would share it on Youtube.) Research something called thermodynamics and the law of conservation simple as that. Ow yea btw magnetic field create "FORCE" not energy so whens something repels and object at the same time it attracts it so the net force of the system = 0 no gain.

Honestly if this would be a BIG discovery major companies would knock on you're door offering you billions of dollars.Not the other way around...
If this was truly a new device that worked you'de find it EVERYWHERE. Hear about it almost everyone as well its like the invention of the 1st airplane.

The world is in need of solutions not more lies... Tony if you want to argue with me go ahead support you're argument with math + physics which are the only true tools not words.

Mark.

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"ENERGY" can not be created or destroyed. Is it that easy to fool you all? If you argue with me about this then show me you're WORKING proof not some dude who's posting videos on the internet(if he had something big I'd doubt he would share it on Youtube.) Research something called thermodynamics and the law of conservation simple as that. Ow yea btw magnetic field create "FORCE" not energy so whens something repels and object at the same time it attracts it so the net force of the system = 0 no gain.

Honestly if this would be a BIG discovery major companies would knock on you're door offering you billions of dollars.Not the other way around...
If this was truly a new device that worked you'de find it EVERYWHERE. Hear about it almost everyone as well its like the invention of the 1st airplane.

The world is in need of solutions not more lies... Tony if you want to argue with me go ahead support you're argument with math + physics which are the only true tools not words.

Mark.
Dear Mark,
Thats exactly what Im waiting for. A major company knocking at my door offering half a billion dollars.
I tried to contact many of them but did not have response.
I offer them to pay in escrow, so both have guaranties. For companies that my invention works and for me that once they have the knowledge to produce this, they will pay.
Regards.
Tony
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Infomotion- Motor Torian H on Vimeo

Sorry it is in Spanish!
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:38 PM
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Thats exactly what Im waiting for. A major company knocking at my door offering half a billion dollars.
Tony
Said in the video that you are a group of engineers inspired by the cosmos, I guess you mean the Goldman-Sachs cosmic game

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Old 05-06-2012, 04:43 AM
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More than 2000 years ago people thought Earth was flat. More than 500 years ago people thought Earth was the center of the universe. More than 100 years ago people thought Atom was the smallest particle in existence.
Today people think its not possible to get Energy using just magnet attraction.
I have never asked anybody in this thread to pay or make a deposit. I have never been disrespectful to anybody.
Im not trying to swindle anybody.
Im not trying to develop this magnetic generator. I already have 3 prototypes working. You can believe it or not. Thats your problem.
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Dear Sir, Sorry for bad English, you can communicate with me in any language you want, preferably in German, or Italian. I am a small German businessman of Italian origin. I am interested in your Torian 3. I can offer support at every level, but first I should have mathematical and physical security that your invention really works. In any case, please contact me.
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Tony,

Virtually everyone here supports your invention passion. At the same time, countless have come before you... most all of them have met their fate on the same road that you are considering.

Think about it this way. The Goliath's you challenge are trillion dollar energy cartels. They have proven over time that they will take any action necessary to own and bury competing technologies.

That is why most here are suggesting that you consider another path. It really is your only hope for public success.

Stating this just represents a new reality, that must be considered if we at the grass roots of inventions hope to ever make a real social or life impact.

The Patent office was never your friend. It has always served as a mechanism of intelligence for big industry, the military and governments.

So if you are here really looking for next step guidance, you can take one of two directions.

1. Stay separate from the populace and be marginalized by the existing power structures. Your dream will most likely be added to the history books of good ideas.

2. Join the populace and consider sharing to advance all. If what you have produced works as you say it does, your only hope is strength in numbers. Once social momentum builds, there will likely be a prominent place for you and your team.

Truthfully it makes me sad to realize that we are free, but only to roam within the boxes of those that have power over us. Hopefully, WE can find a way to break down the box barriers over time so that future generations may enjoy boundary-less freedoms.

Good luck friend.
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Free magnetic generator

Thanks for all your comments.
I know it wont be easy. Ill keep trying.
We made contact with some companies and one green foundation.
I hope well get success.

Tony
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Hi Tony,

I would like to impose on you a question.

I have been viewing this video -

free energy T 01 - YouTube

and with the help of another forum member translating,
i am trying to understand - what is a "CAPTOR"

Quote -

Hi @penno64

It is a demonstration of Torian predecessor.

The inventor says:
"has 3 parts: primary motor (silver right) powered with permanent magnets and captor (sensor, black part of the medium, seems a coil)"
"secondary generator (blue left) and third the captor"

"the secondary generator has two parts: a generator up
and in the bottom one multi-pole generator, contactless, is a field generator"

"the captor has a widing"

"the captor power the primary motor, this power the generator, produces a -trans pole- to captor, and again..."

Hope this help

Torpex.


The thread is -
Garrido Motor


Kindest Regards, Penno
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Hi to all

I am new to this forum and would like to share my ideas with some here. Soy nuevo en ester foro y quisiera cooperar con ustedes.
Saludos,
Jerry
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