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Old 03-16-2012, 07:16 AM
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Mmmm Remember this?
Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

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Of course I remember!!! I guess im just going at it from a different angle!
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Ha ha ha, of course you are.......

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Old 03-23-2012, 02:29 AM
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Alternate mag-flux link rotor generator

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About the Radus double flux path design:

There must be a way to mechanically switch the conduction path of the magnet from upper to lower rotor. This would be very interesting as it would take very little if ANY input energy. Any thoughts on mechanical switching for this device to eliminate coils?

This already has great concepts involved in its design. It doubles the pulse rate, as each cycle of the radus style path is used, plus the expansive aspect of magnetism. I have never seen a device like this, I really like the possibilities here.

This has a pretty good chance of working well, in my opinion, what do people think about making a cumulative build on this guy? You there Dragon? lol, I know you are a machining god.
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@ dragon

I think there is a way to electrically control the path of the magnetic flux through the rotor and utilize alternative path and parametric control of the motor regenerator by solid state switching.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=13324659 91

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Old 03-23-2012, 05:26 AM
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I think there is a way to electrically control the path of the magnetic flux through the rotor and utilize alternative path and parametric control of the motor regenerator by solid state switching.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=13324659 91

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Thank you! Someone is paying attention!

John B...Any thoughts?

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The switching can be done in a variety of ways. If you consider "Hopkinson's law: the magnetic analogy to Ohm's law" and the fact that all flux will take the path of least resistance you can imagine a few switching methods.

If you have two paths for the flux to travel coming out of a magnetic source (permanent magnet) the flux will tend to the path of least resistance. If you the two paths alternate in their effective "resistance" or magnetic reluctance, the flux path will switch along with it.

Reluctance can be changed by saturation of the core (or part of the core) along axial lines of the pm flux, or orthogonal to it (this could take the form of parametrics),
which will also change permeability. You can also change gap spacing, or by moving something (ferromagnetic material, or another permanent magnet) in relation to to the Bloch wall.

It is relatively obvious in my book why the MEG does not work as described. If you really wanted to make that guy run, I would ditch the trigger coils which create their flux paths along the same path as the magnet, and go for ones orthogonal to it. This will change the permeability of a section of the core increasing the reluctance of the loop associated with it. The result is still a change in the flux path, but now the output coils are not inductively connected to the trigger (which can be mechanical like in Wesley gary's motor, or electric).
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:35 AM
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I must be missing something...
Isn't this Ecklin?
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin7.jpg
He clearly states replacing the dc with permanent magnets. on the earlier pages he shows the motor function with windings on the inside tabs. and even better performance if wound on the rotor.

There must be some difference here, Sure be cool to see something animated maybe then I could get my head around this.....

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Ecklin was thinking along similar lines.

What I am primarily talking about is....

MEG or Radus + Magamp (non inductively coupled flux switching) = very interesting device.
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Ecklin was thinking along similar lines.

What I am primarily talking about is....

MEG or Radus + Magamp (non inductively coupled flux switching) = very interesting device.
Heres a thought....

Latching Magnets....the switching mechanism would be electromagnetic, and should not require an external power supply, nor electronic switching.....wonder if something like that is possible.....

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Old 03-26-2012, 06:59 AM
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Ecklin was thinking along similar lines.

What I am primarily talking about is....

MEG or Radus + Magamp (non inductively coupled flux switching) = very interesting device.
Oh, I was going down the wrong road....
What your talking about is something more like Johan's or Bob Boyce's Hex inverter.
Or perhaps something like Steven Mark's TPU. (Although in this case I personally believe he inherited the device, and suspect it was originally built by Tesla. Mark had no clue about it's operations as far as I can tell; IMHO)

Looking at Bedini patent US 7,109,671 brings into play several things I had not realized before. In this patent the windings are overlaid. But then it is also important to note that it incorporates ED's work as a function of parallel rods. Radus boots are all over this thing. But one thing that stood out to me is that by flux switching there is an increase.
Honestly I am quite surprised, as I have not seen any replications of this work.

Anyway, I don't want to distract from the real purpose here. I am very anxious to understand more about this motor (Peg) and where John bedini and Lindemann will help you go with this.

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Old 03-26-2012, 10:21 PM
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Radus + Magamp Generator

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Ecklin was thinking along similar lines.
What I am primarily talking about is....
MEG or Radus + Magamp (non inductively coupled flux switching) = very interesting device.
@ Armagdn03

The principle is well established as demonstrated in the attached papers.
Quote from Charles J. Flynn of Flynn Research Inc for RADUS principle Paper attached

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=13327953 79

"The armature pull-off tests that were performed with no magnets, the 1,200 turn coils on and powered and the 0.070 shim produced an average of 3.72 Newton’s of force. The configuration with the magnets, no coils, and the 0.070 shim produced an average of 8.75 Newton’s of force. Therefore, one would think that by adding the two configurations together, that the force would equal 3.72 + 8.75=12.47 Newton’s, but with the two configurations together the pull-off force increased considerably to an average of 22.82 Newton’s. This does not violate the laws of conservation because there are a total of 3 flux-producing sources in the fixture – two magnet stacks and a solenoid"

The parallel path magnetic motor generator exists and is efficient in overall performance after carful considerations of all losses compared to standard generator. Jim Murray tried to get a patent to one of his MEG designs the Dyna-Flux generator please read starting page 11 the attached reference.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=13327954 73

The performance benchmark test on the preliminary model proves the principle

Alternator............................. Standard................Dyna-Flux

Full load input power:............357.35 watts.........404.75 watts

No load input power:..............319.80 watts.........381.94 watts

Actual input power:...............37.55 watts........... 22.81 watts

Full load output power:..........31.77 watts.......... 33.06 watts

Conversion efficiency:.............84.61 %.................144.93 %

System efficiency:...................8.82 %....................8.16 %

Even though I cannot find the book referred in your reply post # 65 Quote "It is relatively obvious in my book why the MEG does not work as described” Your new design may include a combination of both principles.

Hope it helps

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JJ

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Old 03-27-2012, 04:13 AM
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The principle is well established as demonstrated in the attached papers.
Quote from Charles J. Flynn of Flynn Research Inc for RADUS principle Paper attached

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=13327953 79

"The armature pull-off tests that were performed with no magnets, the 1,200 turn coils on and powered and the 0.070 shim produced an average of 3.72 Newton’s of force. The configuration with the magnets, no coils, and the 0.070 shim produced an average of 8.75 Newton’s of force. Therefore, one would think that by adding the two configurations together, that the force would equal 3.72 + 8.75=12.47 Newton’s, but with the two configurations together the pull-off force increased considerably to an average of 22.82 Newton’s. This does not violate the laws of conservation because there are a total of 3 flux-producing sources in the fixture – two magnet stacks and a solenoid"

The parallel path magnetic motor generator exists and is efficient in overall performance after carful considerations of all losses compared to standard generator. Jim Murray tried to get a patent to one of his MEG designs the Dyna-Flux generator please read starting page 11 the attached reference.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=13327954 73

The performance benchmark test on the preliminary model proves the principle

Alternator............................. Standard................Dyna-Flux

Full load input power:............357.35 watts.........404.75 watts

No load input power:..............319.80 watts.........381.94 watts

Actual input power:...............37.55 watts........... 22.81 watts

Full load output power:..........31.77 watts.......... 33.06 watts

Conversion efficiency:.............84.61 %.................144.93 %

System efficiency:...................8.82 %....................8.16 %

Even though I cannot find the book referred in your reply post # 65 Quote "It is relatively obvious in my book why the MEG does not work as described” Your new design may include a combination of both principles.

Hope it helps

Regards

JJ
You are correct, these are very much along the same lines. Variations on a theme. However we got off on a tangent.

This thread is about the repulsive (perpendicular to the poles) aspect of magnetism. Radus gave us an interesting way to control the switching for such a device. Flynn is almost identical to Radus, but radus was first.

There are other who have done similar work....Wesley Gary, is a great example which predates Radus (1879).

Nobody ever really tries the mechanical flux switchers. They all resort to electrical switching. But all their electrical switching uses control windings which are parallel to the pick up coils (they are inductively coupled)

But what if we were to control the flux path, through changing the permeability / magnetostriction of one path with respect to another cyclically. This requirement does not need inductively coupled triggers and pickups.
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This thread is about the repulsive (perpendicular to the poles) aspect of magnetism. Radus gave us an interesting way to control the switching for such a device. Flynn is almost identical to Radus, but radus was first.
I agree and I recommend you stick to your original design, it's the simplest one to build and could serve as a good proof of concept to show whether this idea has any viability.
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Hi SkyWatcher..

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This is not what the device is, I don't claim to know what this thing is, what I'm getting at is that the device reminds me of two devices that John Bedini has demonstrated (then theres the Peg Motor and the Perpetual Motion Holder Motor Generator...my device, inspired by this patent....coming soon...)

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erfinder,

I would like to hear more on this concept. How is it coming along?

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I just ordered a couple of flat torroidal transformers from Conrad, which I'm going to strip the wires from:

Rectangular, flat 2 X 12 V 15VA buy now - Conrad Electronic SE Ring core transformers Electronics Online Store

The good thing about this particular model is that it's extra flat which is more beneficial to this setup as there's more surface area to work with. The price is also very reasonable, I don't think you'll find anything better in that price range.

I intend to test both the peg motor idea as the generator concept I have been working on with this design.

Now I just need to find something for the cores that will hold the coils. I was thinking of using the same toroids and cut a large gap into them but that could become messy if not done right from the get go, any suggestions are welcome.

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I just ordered a couple of flat torroidal transformers from Conrad, which I'm going to strip the wires from:

Rectangular, flat 2 X 12 V 15VA buy now - Conrad Electronic SE Ring core transformers Electronics Online Store

The good thing about this particular model is that it's extra flat which is more beneficial to this setup as there's more surface area to work with. The price is also very reasonable, I don't think you'll find anything better in that price range.

I intend to test both the peg motor idea as the generator concept I have been working on with this design.

Now I just need to find something for the cores that will hold the coils. I was thinking of using the same toroids and cut a large gap into them but that could become messy if not done right from the get go, any suggestions are welcome.
Hi broli, is that what you meant? - Rectangular, flat 2 X 12 V 15VA buy now - Conrad Electronic SE Ring core transformers Electronics Online Store

I got two 120mm toroids from Lithuania, few days ago. They cost me $13 with shipping. Still working the concept in my head.


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Hi Armagdn03,

your motor sounds like a great idea. I wish you all the best with it.

I have been an admirer of your research and would be grateful if you took a moment of your time to look at 2 new videos I just uploaded of a mostly magnet motor design I shared over 2 years ago.
I feel that maybe people did not quite get the advantages it has. One of them is the Coils Inductance is maintained and the other is there is no magnet sticky spot so the stronger the magnet the more motive force the motor puts out without more current input.

Here is a direct link to the new post:
Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

Thank you for your time

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Hi Armagdn03,

your motor sounds like a great idea. I wish you all the best with it.

I have been an admirer of your research and would be grateful if you took a moment of your time to look at 2 new videos I just uploaded of a mostly magnet motor design I shared over 2 years ago.
I feel that maybe people did not quite get the advantages it has. One of them is the Coils Inductance is maintained and the other is there is no magnet sticky spot so the stronger the magnet the more motive force the motor puts out without more current input.

Here is a direct link to the new post:
Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

Thank you for your time

Luc
hi Gotoluc,

I also have admired your work for quite a while, good to hear from you. I have several thoughts on this and will get back to you once I flesh them out!

Take care!
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I also have admired your work for quite a while, good to hear from you. I have several thoughts on this and will get back to you once I flesh them out!

Take care!
Thank you

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Still around Luc? been gone a while (referring to me) how goes the learning?
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Yes, I'm still around and learning that there's no alternative free energy solution, so I'm in the background.

I'm also quite busy with a houseboat I'm building for myself.

Details can be found here: Building a Solar Electric Houseboat

Thanks for checking up on me.

Been wondering what you have been up to?

You can always email me direct at: gotoluc@yahoo.com

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Wow

THAT IS SOOOOO COOL. I really like the project! And you are doing a fantastic job. Great skill in building. I cannot wait to see the final product!

I have been doing my usual thing. Just quietly. At the moment I am working on eccentric gyroscopic precession. My primary application is vibration cancellation for packaging purpose which is independent of the normal resonant issues of spring mass systems currently in place. My job does business with companies like Lockheed Martin, General Electric etc, and many items are extremely fragile. Rather than dampen vibration through anti phase resonance, I will turn linear motion into rotational thereby both diverting energy, and storing it simultaneously. I also am working on a continuously variable transmission where a similar gyroscopic precession mechanism creates constant and continuous pulses to be delivered to the wheels of a vehicle through a 1/2 wave pipe through water hammer effect or soliton waves. Because the impedance match at the receiving end is never perfect there will be a reflection, which will return to the source in phase. Therefore a resonant buildup will occur (a sort of resonant flywheel) within the half wave resonator. The pressure gradients will increase and be used when needed. No impedance mismatch essentially.
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I wonder what ever happened to Mr Bedini on this thread? Last he popped in he alluded to helping show the concept. Not that I am disappointed, but I have had good success in this area, and enjoyed his input.
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At the moment I am working on eccentric gyroscopic precession. My primary application is vibration cancellation for packaging purpose which is independent of the normal resonant issues of spring mass systems currently in place. My job does business with companies like Lockheed Martin, General Electric etc, and many items are extremely fragile. Rather than dampen vibration through anti phase resonance, I will turn linear motion into rotational thereby both diverting energy, and storing it simultaneously. I also am working on a continuously variable transmission where a similar gyroscopic precession mechanism creates constant and continuous pulses to be delivered to the wheels of a vehicle through a 1/2 wave pipe through water hammer effect or soliton waves. Because the impedance match at the receiving end is never perfect there will be a reflection, which will return to the source in phase. Therefore a resonant buildup will occur (a sort of resonant flywheel) within the half wave resonator. The pressure gradients will increase and be used when needed. No impedance mismatch essentially.
Well that's just bizarre, I was working on electro-magnetic generator/dampeners to replace the resistance shock absorbers which always wear out at the fitness center the wife owns. This led me to the gyro-generator,lol.

Take a gyro fixed on one axis and a force applied on the other, it precesses 90 Degrees. This motion of precession then translates directly back into the rotation of the gyro.. it speeds up. Each off axis not in motion holds in place however any active axis translates directly to the gyro. Then we simply add some magnets to the perimeter of the gyro and stator coils exterior making it a motor/generator. Excess gyro RPM charges or dissipates as required and a motor function means it is self-starting.

I found this a little mind boggling at first because the translation of energy is basically occurring in an open frame of reference, it could be free floating and changes in motion on any axis generating power. An inertial generator but active on all axis simultaneously ... sometimes I scare myself,lol.
Can anyone say far left field.

AC

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use a hula hoop.
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THAT IS SOOOOO COOL. I really like the project! And you are doing a fantastic job. Great skill in building. I cannot wait to see the final product!

I have been doing my usual thing. Just quietly. At the moment I am working on eccentric gyroscopic precession. My primary application is vibration cancellation for packaging purpose which is independent of the normal resonant issues of spring mass systems currently in place. My job does business with companies like Lockheed Martin, General Electric etc, and many items are extremely fragile. Rather than dampen vibration through anti phase resonance, I will turn linear motion into rotational thereby both diverting energy, and storing it simultaneously. I also am working on a continuously variable transmission where a similar gyroscopic precession mechanism creates constant and continuous pulses to be delivered to the wheels of a vehicle through a 1/2 wave pipe through water hammer effect or soliton waves. Because the impedance match at the receiving end is never perfect there will be a reflection, which will return to the source in phase. Therefore a resonant buildup will occur (a sort of resonant flywheel) within the half wave resonator. The pressure gradients will increase and be used when needed. No impedance mismatch essentially.
Hi Armagdn03,

thanks for your positive feedback on my houseboat build.

From the sounds of it, looks like you're working on some very interesting projects.

If you can post a video of your work I'm sure many would be interested to see it.

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Well that's just bizarre, I was working on electro-magnetic generator/dampeners to replace the resistance shock absorbers which always wear out at the fitness center the wife owns. This led me to the gyro-generator,lol.

Take a gyro fixed on one axis and a force applied on the other, it precesses 90 Degrees. This motion of precession then translates directly back into the rotation of the gyro.. it speeds up. Each off axis not in motion holds in place however any active axis translates directly to the gyro. Then we simply add some magnets to the perimeter of the gyro and stator coils exterior making it a motor/generator. Excess gyro RPM charges or dissipates as required and a motor function means it is self-starting.

I found this a little mind boggling at first because the translation of energy is basically occurring in an open frame of reference, it could be free floating and changes in motion on any axis generating power. An inertial generator but active on all axis simultaneously ... sometimes I scare myself,lol.
Can anyone say far left field.

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OMG that is hilariously on par with what I am doing. I have a slightly different configuration where the rotatable mass IS the motor (precision German made DC guy I found) with a toroidal weight around it, powered either by induction or single wire power transmission. The change in speed due to precession causes the motor to at times act like a generator. Diodes redirect reverse flow to a capacitor for use on the reverse of the cycle.
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OMG that is hilariously on par with what I am doing. I have a slightly different configuration where the rotatable mass IS the motor (precision German made DC guy I found) with a toroidal weight around it, powered either by induction or single wire power transmission. The change in speed due to precession causes the motor to at times act like a generator. Diodes redirect reverse flow to a capacitor for use on the reverse of the cycle.
Were definitely on the same page, I also found that it makes no sense to have a working inertial mass and a motor/generator. Most motors are heavy enough as it is so it seemed obvious the motor-generator/inertial mass should be integrated into one.
I had also thought that it may be possible to do away with all the complexity and use something like a free floating cylinder magnet inducing parallel to the spin axis. Hell if Lenz law is supposedly unavoidable then why not use it to our advantage, turn the problem 180 degrees at which point it becomes a solution, lol.
Interesting stuff

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Were definitely on the same page, I also found that it makes no sense to have a working inertial mass and a motor/generator. Most motors are heavy enough as it is so it seemed obvious the motor-generator/inertial mass should be integrated into one.
I had also thought that it may be possible to do away with all the complexity and use something like a free floating cylinder magnet inducing parallel to the spin axis. Hell if Lenz law is supposedly unavoidable then why not use it to our advantage, turn the problem 180 degrees at which point it becomes a solution, lol.
Interesting stuff

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Good god it scares me sometimes how similarly we think. Why separate the two, it opposes occams razor. The only issue I had with the second half (cylindrical magnet) Is the induction angle of the "stator" vs the rotatable mass "magnet". As it precesses you have to adjust or the coupling starts to wonder.
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