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OrionLightShip: So sorry to hear about your mother in law. I wish you and your family well during this difficult time.

Thanks for the offer of a pulse motor but I do not have the time to pursue it at this point in time. Between my demanding job and family, there is little time for hobbies at this point. My current (mostly neglected) hobby is RC helicopters which I have been pursuing for 23 years (and RC planes 17 years prior to that). About 7 years ago I converted to all electric so you can imagine the transmitters, receivers, motors, batteries, chargers, and equipment in my collection - lead acid, nicad, nickel-metal hydride, Li-Poly batteries, brushed and brush-less motors with really powerful permanent magnets etc. You can see why I would be so interested in the 3BGS.
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UPS battery update

The UPS battery does not seem to have a surface charge.
I hooked it up to both of my scooter motors individually and it ran them fine with lots of torque.

Which is strange because, the other two batteries are not able to run the scooter motors by themselves. The motors only seem to run with two batteries hooked up in series (to get +24 volts)- well, up till today.

The only difference I can see is that the UPS battery was able to run the 3BG motor without a load and I let it run that way for some time (unsure of the time, but definitely over 1 hour) while the other batteries I have used were running the 3BGM only with a load attached to them. Seems to indicate that allowing it to run for that length of time gave it a lot of power, but that the power only comes to the battery without a load on it.
So if you want to charge up a battery, that seems to be what you should do - hook up the 3BG system and let the Motor run with no additional load on the battery you want charged.

At the present time (1:35 pm MST), I am running the system with a 6.7 volt reading large automotive lead acid battery (had dry cells as it took a bit of distilled water) and it started the motor up immediately without a load. So I will let it run and see if I can get the same results as the UPS battery.

Tomorrow I shall try the -0.2 Volt Marine battery. This was left outside with a trickle charger on it for about 2-3 years until it just stop working (dry cells as it took a lot of distilled water). I was trying to have a power supply which I could use during power outages (connect to an inverter to get AC power to run the TV or the gas furnace- don't know which is more important ).

I have an old metal desk outside and I do all my experimentation on it outside as I don't have a basement (water table too high here as I live only .2 miles from the Rio Grande River).

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Old 07-18-2013, 08:40 PM
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negative voltage

This is something I can verify as I've done it experimentally. It only works on either discharged batteries or bad batteries. It is a phenomenon of radiant energy. The spike has every frequency in it and it is my belief that this includes the frequency of the vacuum which is a highly stressed medium.
Think of air: it is a highly stressed medium at 15 lbs per sq inch. Transport yourself to space without a suit and you explode.
The vacuum therefore behaves similarly when spiked. You stir up vacuum currents. Bearden calls it re-gaging the vacuum.
We know the why, we should concentrate on the "how".
If you are really gating vacuum energy, another phenomenon you should see is cold electricity. There has to be a section of your circuit which is colder than it should be in a conventional circuit. As an example: I have had ordinary transformers humming as you would normally expect but the astounding difference is that the transformer is colder than room temperature.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:59 PM
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It seems like every other time I sit down to start serious testing of the 3BGS setup it does something that hurts my brain. It has done that once again. And this time I am calling on all you out there in 3BGS land to give me your input on what to do next.

When I began the testing for Skeptic, I put my two primaries on the charger and topped them off, just to make sure they were COMPLETELY charged.
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As you can see the voltages were 14.85...14.92...and 5.97

In the set up video for the 3BGS run you can see the voltage on the bad battery has already dropped a little
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IN the next video, I showed the setup of all three batteries connected to the motor, which did not start. If you listen VERY CLOSELY you can hear it begin to run right in the last second or two of the video.
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But here is where it gets interesting.....
I only did a 15 minute run because I though my timer was set for 20 minutes, but somehow I had set it to 15. At the end of that run, my primaries had increased almost a volt each in charge, and battery 3 had reversed polarity and gone up to around 10 volts. It is showing a -10 volts on the meter when the meter is connected correctly.

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Sooooooo, do I flip the polarity in battery 3 for my next test run? Or do I continue on with it wired as is. If I leave it alone, I may get more charging on the primaries, which is what I want, and will help prove our case that there is something to this whole thing. If I reverse it, we MAY find that what we NEED to do is reverse battery three every so often to get the setup to do what we want it to do.

Anyway, just more data for us to look at as we try and figure this out. I am letting everything rest for three hours before I start up again, so have a couple hours to decide what to do.

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It seems like every other time I sit down to start serious testing of the 3BGS setup it does something that hurts my brain. It has done that once again. And this time I am calling on all you out there in 3BGS land to give me your input on what to do next.

But here is where it gets interesting.....
I only did a 15 minute run because I though my timer was set for 20 minutes, but somehow I had set it to 15. At the end of that run, my primaries had increased almost a volt each in charge, and battery 3 had reversed polarity and gone up to around 10 volts. It is showing a -10 volts on the meter when the meter is connected correctly.

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Sooooooo, do I flip the polarity in battery 3 for my next test run? Or do I continue on with it wired as is. If I leave it alone, I may get more charging on the primaries, which is what I want, and will help prove our case that there is something to this whole thing. If I reverse it, we MAY find that what we NEED to do is reverse battery three every so often to get the setup to do what we want it to do.

Anyway, just more data for us to look at as we try and figure this out. I am letting everything rest for three hours before I start up again, so have a couple hours to decide what to do.

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Hi Dave,
I believe that system is trying to balance itself and flipping polarity of third battery caused gain in primaries. I would continue to test this further for one or two runs, depending on the results and see what happens. If nothing significant then I would drain battery three and reverse its polarity back.
Just my 2 cents.

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Dave,
If all batteries are the same, then you had all 3 connected in parallel. I always orient my primaries the same and my 3rd battery opposite the primaries so I can keep all my -negative- leads on one side and +positive+ on the other. I once did what it looks like you did.
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PS I hope you don't get the same result I did. It ruined my 3rd battery effect for that battery.
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Not all the same

No worries. One of the primaries is opposite poles from the other for some reason. I didn't pay any attention to that when I bought it, but I did when I hooked it up.

Going to post several more videos with scope shots. You can watch all of them if you choose, and you will see how long I ran the motor with additional loads on it and the primaries held their own. I didn't get charging like I did on the first run, but things stayed fairly stable. I took lots of video of scope shots, which s really boring.

Right now I am draining my 3rd battery which is charged up to 16 volts, and then I will let the thing rest for the night. Tomorrow is another day.

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Yes, it's an off the shelf Razor Scooter Motor 24 volt. I wanted to use off the shelf batteries and off the shelf motor. Just so if I could get it working and figure out WHY, others could replicate. My primaries are STILL up over the voltage I started with, and I just checked them and they are going up, so will post a video of that here, since it has been several hours that they have been resting now.

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If you caught it on the video, The polarity on the bad battery SWITCHED, and during that "switched" phase, the primaries charged while running loads. When I started my second run, right at the beginning the bad battery was STILL switched in polarity and everything was going great. Then it suddenly SWITCHED polarity again, and the primaries began to lose a little charge.

Sooooooo, a big WHAT IF (or two). WHAT IF the bad battery switches polarity EVERY time, and it is during this polarity shift that good things happen. Maybe we should be stopping our runs after 3 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, to see if the polarity of the bad battery shifts. I know some other folks have SEEN the polarity on the bad battery reverse. There have been SEVERAL comments about it here. WHAT IF when you continue your run, the voltage on the bad battery climbs to a certain point and it suddenly reverses polarity AGAIN. Mine certainly did. It is back showing the correct pole as the positive pole. WHAT IF all the magic happens while the polarity is reversed. And WHAT IF we could run it for a while when the polarity is reversed, and then switch the connections on the battery to PHYSICALLY reverse it, which MIGHT trigger a reverse reversal (is that a wrestling term) of the battery before the voltage builds up that causes the battery to reverse on its own. In other words, we switch back and forth on the bad battery inputting into the negative for a while, and then the positive, trying to keep the battery in that reversed polarity state. Does that make any sense????

Two more things I want to point out. I know some of you are going to say: "I have a meter on battery 3 ALL THE TIME while the setup is running and I have NEVER seen it reverse polarity." Well...I had a meter on battery 3 today also, off and on. It started at 24 volts...dropped down to around 18 and the motor started, and by the time I shut it off, it was showing 16 volts POSITIVE across battery 3 WHILE IT WAS CONNECTED IN THE 3BGS SETUP. It is when I disconnected it from the other batteries and measured it ON ITS OWN that it showed negative voltage. Go back and look at my videos if you don't believe me.

The second thing is something Matt pointed out to me. My baaaad battery went from 6 volts positive to over 10 volts negative, which is a 16 volt difference. Now is that 16 volts in Potential????

I will video the batteries again in the morning so you can see that they gained some by resting, and then I will be doing some more runs tomorrow.

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Hi Dave,

Great work and videos, thanks.

Just a word of caution about you dmms. I have noticed that once the
internal battery of the dmm begins to get under 9v or so, the readings I
get for DC volts climbs.

Your DMM is showing low battery in one of the videos

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Thanks for that. I will replace that battery first thing in the morning before I do anymore test runs and measure the voltages on the primaries with the new battery installed.

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A motor and a couple batteries? Not too complex. The interactions? Maybe it IS simple, but we are looking at the wrong things. The opinion I was referring to was that of my own.

errfinder: EMF? ElectroMotive or ElectroMagnetic, they are used interchangeably, but they are not the same. I prefer to study the later's interaction. Sorry Duncan, I think you are on the right track, but with the wrong force.

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I have no problem with that adjustment Randy. I have rather written the theory of ground (telluric) currents and the maths for “in house” just couldn't bring myself to make that quantum leap.
If I do then of course the whole situation changes .. the “bad battery” becomes series resonant w.r.t the rest of the circuit. (ish)
and that could well be true. Lets assume for a moment the force you propose which I described but cant quite fully accept is right and telluric current is what’s feeding this machine (and it could very well be ) because all said and done I’ve described the telluric system whilst portraying the maths of an “in house system” .. “neither fish nor fowl” . And the difference is as you point out .. opposite
so lets go with “Telluric ground waves” if that's true then the state of the bad battery as you see it in circuit would be “parallel resonant” and “everything’s reversed” just as you suggest.
In a round about way the logic for that is described by EPD about 1M40 into this
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an SWR of infinity !... but for transmission , we wish to receive , an opposite state
That’s resonance he's talking about … and ground cable … and huge ground current (just like is frying the terminals of your battery Randy) and
If I accept all that Randy then the condition of the “bad battery” alters totally to parallel resonant that is maximum voltage (over time) and minimum current as we view the circuit, to nail it a bit more it would be very useful to know if … in order to stay “in the zone” so to speak you slow down the motor or allow it to speed up …load it or release ? It is frequency I think of here XL being proportional to frequency and XC being inversely proportional I got the impression that loading the motor (lowering the frequency) was an asset with the little motor I ran, I would like a consensus though, .
your quite right Randy I have described one system and portrayed another I’ve just slapped my own wrist!
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I have made a slight modification to the 3rd battery configuration . I took two dead batteries (do not use good batteries for this), connect the +positive+ posts together. I used this for my 3rd battery. Yes, I had a -negative- post on each side to connect to my 3BGS as the 3rd battery component. This is our 0-point transducer. Dave, you won't have to fight the increased charge on this arrangement as you do the repairing 3rd single battery. I have had good luck with this arrangement. Voltages will move around in the dead batteries, but I have not had any repair take place after hours of experimenting. Thanks, a.king for the inspiration.

As I said earlier, do not use good batteries. They tend to be explosive and boil like mad.
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I have made a slight modification to the 3rd battery configuration . I took two dead batteries (do not use good batteries for this), connect the -negative- posts together. I used this for my 3rd battery. Yes, I had a +positive+ post on each side to connect to my 3BGS as the 3rd battery component. This is our 0-point transducer. Dave, you won't have to fight the increased charge on this arrangement as you do the repairing 3rd single battery. I have had good luck with this arrangement. Voltages will move around in the dead batteries, but I have not had any repair take place after hours of experimenting. Thanks, a.king for the inspiration.

As I said earlier, do not use good batteries. They tend to be explosive and boil like mad.
Good Luck,
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Excellent! You are closer to indirectly replicating my work than anyone on this forum, and doing so with batteries...go figure..I still think you want the difference in potential between banks, 24v ++ and 48v --your inner connections are spot on in my opinion.. The weak link now is the motor...its not wound like it should for you to capitalize on this battery connection....when properly connected, your motor will become a magnetic self oscillating apparatus...this self oscillating feature functions as an accumulator and rectifier all in one....a system stabilizer, it also puts you the position to modulate the 0 that you just created.....

Positive to positive and negative to negative isn't bucking....look carefully....here is the birth place of the neutral center..... why...think about it....

Excellent work...keep it up...

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Turion - Great videos - Thanks for running those. It was very interesting watching the test in progress. I have a charger that has an on-board fan that I run from a sealed 12v lead acid motorcycle (or hobby) battery to charge my LiPo RC heli (Blade 400). I notice that when charging and I also hook up my 12v charger to the battery, the voltage increases immediately (the fan speeds up) and will continue to increase as the lead acid battery charges and again when the LiPo batteries are full and the charger goes to standby. The amp meter on the 12v charger will continue to decrease to 0 as the lead acid battery continues to accumulate a charge. Your test reminded me of that as you tested the voltages while the batteries were connected to the system. Although voltage is an easy way to get an estimate of the charge, the voltages might be lower if tested after the wires are disconnected. I would be interested in the specific gravity of each cell in each of the 3 batteries in phase 1 (before the test) and phase 3 (after an optimum run to maximize the charges). This is because specific gravity is considered by some to be more accurate than simple voltage as a test for remaining capacity. When using voltage, other factors have to compensated for to get a good capacity reading. A good hands off way to test capacity (you may have tried this) is to connect an inverter, a filament style light bulb, and an old style plug in electric clock (available at your local garage sale ) to a battery (set the clock at 12:00 and see where it stops). That would also be a good before and after test for all 3 batteries before and after). I really would be thrilled to see an increase of energy in the system after the run.

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So two dead batteries in parallel in the third position? Or are are you connected to the two positives for the two connections to the bad battery? (one to the good battery and one to the motor...which is what it sounds like, but want to be sure) or do you connect one bad battery as usual and the negative of the other bad battery to it (neg to neg) and leave one positive hanging in the air. Not clear about this. Sorry.
What kind of batteries are you using AGM or SLA?
Are all four batteries the same kind?
Are all four batteries the same amp hours?
If so, how many amp hours are they?

I can run over to Batteries + and pick up some more dead batteries


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Excellent! You are closer to indirectly replicating my work than anyone on this forum... motor will become a magnetic self oscillating apparatusExcellent work...keep it up...

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I never said I used a stock motor. Nor am I using the 3BGS pulse motor. One of my own design. But the comment above makes me think we are aligned in our thinking. Thanks for the compliment.
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What you are measuring when you use an inverter at all is the point at which less than 12 volts goes to the inverter, because at that point it shuts off, and so does anything connected to it. I have been down that road.

What I measured was how long the motor would run on 2 fully charged 12 volt batteries. It was 25 hours and 31 minutes. I will be running the 3BGS for several days of testing, no more than 20 minutes at a time, and at the end of that time, I will see if I can run it for 25 hours and 31 minutes without recharging. I already KNOW I can, because I have done it before, but I'm always willing to demonstrate this stuff to people who might be interested.

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I never said I used a stock motor. Nor am I using the 3BGS pulse motor. One of my own design. But the comment above makes me think we are aligned in our thinking. Thanks for the compliment.
Randy
Your own design....cool....care to give a few details....I can show you the self oscillation, square wave building phenomena if your interested....I would like to hear more about your rig....


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Turion: Thank you for the explanation! I do not have experience with inverters. Motor run time will still be a good metric. Here's an interest page on voltage and battery charge state. Motorhome and Caravan Info Australia » Blog Archive » Why Battery Voltage Does NOT Indicate Battery Charge State
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Randy,
So two dead batteries in parallel in the third position? Or are are you connected to the two positives for the two connections to the bad battery? (one to the good battery and one to the motor...which is what it sounds like, but want to be sure) or do you connect one bad battery as usual and the negative of the other bad battery to it (neg to neg) and leave one positive hanging in the air. Not clear about this. Sorry.
What kind of batteries are you using AGM or SLA?
Are all four batteries the same kind?
Are all four batteries the same amp hours?
If so, how many amp hours are they?
I can run over to Batteries + and pick up some more dead batteries
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The two open negative posts are used in place of the 3rd battery's + and - posts. I am currently using AGMs. I don't have the patients you do, I use 7Ah batteries. So my tests are quickly conclusive. A 5 amp drain on a 7 Ah battery will tell a story real quick. All batteries are identical. I think it only matters that the source batteries match and the transducer? batteries match. I will draw this up when I have more time.
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I've got a bunch of different sized AGM's and will throw that circuit together and watch it while I am doing my other testing today. Are you running any loads off of any of the batteries? If so, which ones. When you draw it up, please show where you are connecting loads and how much. I'd like to replicate as closely as possible. Batteries definitely WON'T be a problem. As for the motor you are using, is it a modified Razor Scooter motor, or have you gone to a different chassis for your motor design work?

This fits right in with what I was talking about last night, when I said I thought we needed to supply one end of battery three with power and then the other end of battery thee once it had swapped polarities. By putting TWO batteries in the third position with the positives facing out, the current can hit the "bad" battery from either direction with the exact same result. We don't HAVE to flip the battery around to get the result we want. Duhhh

Luther and I have talked AT LENGTH on the phone about the 3BGS...especially the performance of my original. If you believe as I do, that when you measure voltage across the bad battery you are measuring the difference between the two good batteries in series and what is in the bad battery, it makes sense that this voltage reading goes down from 24 volts as the bad battery begins charging up. Even though the voltage that is accumulating in the bad battery is a negative voltage (for lack of a better word.) This would explain WHY the motor shut off on my original. When the voltage in the bad battery becomes so high, it tries to force itself back through the motor against the flow of "positive" voltage from the source batteries.The motor reaches a point where those equalize from both sides and shuts off because there is no "flow". It is at the center, or the bloch wall position in a magnet. Of course, this is just my theory, but it is the only way I could explain the motor shutting off and immediately the bad battery jumped to 24 volts, because it didn't hold a charge. It would TAKE one, either positive or negative, but wouldn't hold it. The motor now sees a flow and begins to run, and the process is repeated. When loads were connected to battery 3, power was consumed that would have gone back toward the motor to fight what was coming from the primaries. The motor never reached that point where it was the center between pos and neg, so it never shut off, and continued to run.

What we have NOT found is a battery that immediately LOSES ALL CHARGE the moment the motor shuts off.

Babble, babble, babble. That's why I started this forum...so I could throw all these ideas out here and we can discuss them and figure this thing out. I know Duncan will have some fun with all of this.

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Old 07-19-2013, 07:08 PM
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The two open positive posts are used in place of the 3rd battery's + and - posts. I am currently using AGMs. I don't have the patients you do, I use 7Ah batteries. So my tests are quickly conclusive. A 5 amp drain on a 7 Ah battery will tell a story real quick. All batteries are identical. I think it only matters that the source batteries match and the transducer? batteries match. I will draw this up when I have more time.
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Hi Randy,

You turned a DC battery into an AC battery. It can also begin to look a little like a center-tapped transformer...

Thanks for sharing this with the group.

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Old 07-19-2013, 09:06 PM
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My Process so far

I use 5 batteries. All AGM 12v 7Ah. They are as follows:
  • 2 source batteries, full charge, radiant conditioned. Charged with a SSG.
  • 2 transducer batteries (3rd position), DEAD, no conditioning to start with. The ones I have been using with this setup have 0.1v and 6v. These charges have moved around about a volt during testing. Nothing significant.
  • 1 Buffer battery, drained charge (11.5v to 12v), radiant conditioned. This I use for my loads.

I always use a load. After all, if it can't stand up to that what use is it? This is my test setup. My load is usually a 2000w msw inverter with a resistive load. Light bulb, 40-200w incandescent. I follow Turion's schematic except for:
My motor is on the positive side of the source. My buffer battery is connected to the transducer(3rd batteries) as Turion shows a load, my inverter is connected in parallel with the buffer battery. No resistors or diodes. This is my setup today. It changes with the wind.

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Attached is what I interpret from what you are saying. Can you correct this when you get a chance?
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Test (setup and start voltages Skeptic Test 9 - YouTube
Test (end voltages) Skeptic Test 10 - YouTube

Dave

I have tried the setup I show here (Schematic I drew of what I THINK Randy means) with two different sets of bad batteries. So far, I haven't been able to get the motor to start up. Will keep working on it. Usually when I connect a load across battery 3 the motor starts, but not in this case for some reason.
DELETED SCHEMATIC...see Randy's post above.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:47 PM
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Dave,
You got it, except I was wrong about the polarity of my transducer batteries. The positives are connected (see drawing). Whoops, my bad. My buffer battery is usually drained. Not sure if that matters during startup, but I don't want energy from the buffer polluting my test results. I have enough power in that battery to run the inverter with a load for about a minute before the inverter shuts down and starts beeping. So, I connect my loads to the inverter. Turn on the inverter. Then quickly connect my motor. It starts immediately as the load is already on. If I futz around with the connections, the inverter will shut down. This has been my experience.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:57 AM
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quite right David .. still digesting that

so we are getting very very close, boys and girls .. and yes your Right David Randy's disclosure takes a little thinking about and well done a.king if its grown from a seed you planted. Needs must I occupy myself with things in and around whilst I try to digest,Its how I roll so there's a few things and thoughts I'd like to bring your attention to first ... Here's Alex Jones covering energy (which he doesn't do very often), pick it up about one hour in. Whilst it doesn't point out what we should do, Its made very clear what we should not,
The Alex Jones Show - Sunday, July 07, 2013 (Full Show): Jim Marrs - YouTube
I have seen many times folks come on forum talking about “my system” what's the point of having a” my system” ? I wonder what people intend for “their system” I like to think the thrust of this thread is to contest the evil state of this world, an evil which seems to infest every fibre of the “free energy” movement... but a little more on that in a moment. As for 3BGS IMHO we need to..
Get it cheap,get it simple,get it easy to make get it reliable and more importantly get it out there.
And if we are lucky we might even get out alive ourself s .
As you have just heard and know very well (unless your a total nit wit) nothing else has been able to get the job done , and its clear that all the “my systems”
have been done over and over again, nothing new, nothing invented .. we are quite literally “exhuming the dead” the “my system” guys are simply part of the problem... Ghoul's feasting on the bodies of previous murdered developers .. So Gollum has his ring … enjoy it whilst you may,My precious … but Smeagol, I wouldn’t be inclined to hold onto it for to long.





It seems a very simple good and evil situation. I often think of the last energy conference I attended amongst the display items was the 3BGS genesis a working computer controlled Tesla switch.
So where is it? Patented? So called “development” ? Investment bankster's NDAs? Military classification? Who knows
Whatever, it is not out here in the big wide world is it ? another win for evil, and evil demons.
As Orion says reflect adapt and then march onwards, so called “free energy” has been experienced by nearly everybody on this thread, Never mind the $60,000 Alex Jones talked of for a hydrogen system … The potential is here to get the job done for $600 or much much less and a simple shed build too!
This system can drive an inverter and simply “take over”I'm sure the packs on the right scent even if one or two of the hounds get lost in the long grass now and then.
As you know I am a huge Fan of EPDs work even if I am in the deep end and need water wings ,
It was then with some annoyance I listened to this Interview

Eric Dollard Interview EXPOSING RAY SAVANT "Techzombie" - YouTube

There must be something backward in that country surly ? You have a huge national asset in that man, He's even tried to save the countries national assets himself … It looks like he's here again full circle about to be raped and pillaged, damaged and hurt, yet again.
As I commented earlier evil seems to ingress into all things “ free energy” we need to force our way though it , If not how are all our your grandchildren going to view us? Assuming they survive of course.
As for Eric surly there's some media tyke or baseball player with a lump of property that needs looking after ..and wouldn't mind a resident genius and his coyote in the 3 phase Garage.
All quite depressing. What about a Chicken supervisor Kerry? or a new building Plot “guard coyote”David?.... Mind I guess coyote's and chickens is a bad mix now I think about it.
Now lets see what's next to have a grump at
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:35 PM
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if a picture paints a thousand words ..

OK Randy that's cooked for a while … although perhaps not glazed yet … here's the way through at least a little bit of this maze I guess although we may view the “force” as different .. who cares ?
If it works .. This chapter is closed.
The ambition is surly to get this thing under control .. move the maths and science into this dimension so that we may have some perspective of it.
OK they say a picture paints a thousand words .. then can a few pictures paint a chapter?
Whilst giving this not to much consideration (lest I hurt myself) I come up with this...
Déjà vu ? This is the Wheatstone bridge.. an extremely sensitive piece of test equipment for accurately measuring resistance .. the maths and theory beyond doubt.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...stone_Bridge.s
R2 X Rx = R1 X R3 at balance nothing much more to be said about that ! Charles Wheatstone , Jolly good egg!
Of course we humans are never satisfied so that’s the DC resistance bridge ,, where's the AC and all its scribble involving impedance ?
Here it is boys and girls just as well inspected to the nth degree …

Electrical Theory: Understanding the AC Wheatstone Bridge - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

bit of a bonce ache … but you can do this! … Now lookee here ..
Here's an obscure circuit for an extremely wide band SWR meter (SWR= power factor = resonance ) all be it in Spanish but I'm sure if you take a little time you can see each element of “the bridge” applied here .. can you see ?

Wideband SWR Meter



I do hope you get the picture … the bridge is equally applicable to AC and very high frequencies
now lets muck about with Randy's drawing .. even though I have no permisso .. he's an
understanding sort of guy and all round “Jolly good egg” although I haven't quite grasped what intellectual property may be I must confess, I hope I don't trample on it as I mess with his drawing.
I also hope there's not to many loons here... about to rush off shouting “my system” what is it with these bangers? No spine? I don't know .. anyway go scribble with this and see what resolve there is
here is Randy's drawing because of course
“a thing of beauty is a joy forever”
John Keats



and here I fiddle with the masterpiece like giving Mona Lisa a wart … (the smile was probably wind anyway.)



so come all Ye scribblers get on the case … I have to be sober to mess with the J operator a state I don’t appreciate on Saturday ... and am certainly not in just at this moment in time. Give us direction ]
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:52 PM
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We CAN change the world. All it takes is some committed people (committed to our cause, not to an institution) and a heck of a lot of hard work. We will figure this out. And when we do, all the attention that is elsewhere will be focused right here on THIS group of people who are putting this puzzle together piece by piece. I don't for a second mean to take ANYTHING away from people like Eric, or John B. They have done amazing things, and have advanced the cause by light years, but I don't get to ride around in a Bedinimobile or a Dollardmobile. We need to bring a device to the public for FREE that can provide a source of free energy. And we need to do it NOW.

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