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Old 01-17-2013, 08:22 PM
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It's less than a pound, won't cost any more. No worries.

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Wow again a very kind offer. Thanks a lot Kerry but cost it first! Don't go busting the bank to send copper wire there are a few little bits of it in the O'l country here and there.
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I'll grab one of these extra motors and get it mailed out. I believe I have your mailing address somewhere back in an old email but you might send it to me again. I'll strip the motor of copper wire and that will save me a penny or two by cutting the weight in half. The you can use the wire from Kerry and wind it up and we won't have to wait for my order of wire to get here.

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@Duncan, spend 5 minutes and see the similarities, Penno
Very Interesting It also on a broader spectrum seems to fit in with a lot of other seemingly insignificant details, particularly The frequency range specified. I'm very much a tenderfoot at anything crystals, although of course I have used them in RF work but really only in the way you would a transistor. Order it from the data sheet specs then use it. This is taking a rather different run at the proceedings. Another intense researcher in the field called Grant Romundt notes in this rather poor quality out of focus video that the power output from crystal cells can be expected to respond to an applied frequency in a relationship of power proportional to the frequency cubed. The reason for his research being curtailed is made quite obvious.
There's an awful lot of “Ifs” creeping in here but it does explain why those patent holders were going for very high frequencies, It could also explain why this very high frequency pulse produced by the altered motor could be having such an impact. Regarding the 3BS. I suspect this patented cell works with the correct attention to detail but the big question is can Joe soap make it out of commonly available cheap materials in his garage? If not it won't change anything. The thing will just get buried no company will be allowed to produce it and if they’re unlucky the researchers will get toasted into the bargain.
Anyway all that chatter aside here's the video
grant romundt real free energy alternative - YouTube
Thanks for taking the time to research and post it however .. Its all going in the stew and every bit of information helps
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I'll grab one of these extra motors and get it mailed out. I believe I have your mailing address somewhere back in an old email but you might send it to me again. I'll strip the motor of copper wire and that will save me a penny or two by cutting the weight in half. The you can use the wire from Kerry and wind it up and we won't have to wait for my order of wire to get here.

Dave
Tis done David!
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Testing issues...

Greetings:

My testing has been done using FLABs @ 200AH for the primaries and the SLAB as the dead battery. The dead battery is a 17AH, or there abouts....

So, for this weekend, we'll hook up a bad 6 volt 200AH wet cell for the bad battery and use wet cells as the good. There should also be enough sealed batteries around to make a setup of that type for testing.

We'll see how this goes...(and have a good time watching!)

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OK,
Got one setup up and running with 2 FLA's as primaries and a bad FLA in the third battery position. The motor would not start when I started the setup, and would not allow the motor to start even when spun by hand. After about 10 minutes I was able to get the motor to start when I spun it by hand. I have recorded beginning voltages on a video and will post that if anything exciting happens. I assume it will take several runs of many hours with resting in between and the bad battery shorted out before I begin to see what I want to see, but I will keep you all informed. I have a .5 amp 12 volt electric fan running as a load on battery 3 right now, (an analogue amp gauge is in the circuit) but no load on the motor.

I have enough stuff to put together a second test circuit (including a second pulse motor) and will be doing that tomorrow. I have a battery that has a loose post, so I will trade that core in on a new battery tomorrow. I have several bad FLA batteries that are reading less than 5 volts, and one that is sitting at .87, so I will try that. I will probably try all of them and any that prove unsuccessful I will just convert over to alum. I have everything to do that with.

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Old 01-26-2013, 09:41 AM
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crazy idea???

Hi all,
I found this video. Maybe can be used here as an experiment to substitute bad battery?

May 8, 2012 8:06 PM - YouTube

A copper plate is inserted between two batteries for a capacitive coupling. The other end of the wire from the plate is connected to the can of HV capacitor, forming a captret. The regular connectors of the capacitor go in the circuit.

Hopefully, whatever the battery magic will work with what we are trying to do in this thread.

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Old 01-29-2013, 12:35 AM
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Had not seen that.

Interesting video. I will add that to the list of things to try with this setup.

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Old 02-02-2013, 06:35 PM
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bad battery theory?

Hi Dave and all,

I found what may be a clue about batteries and extra energy. Maybe it will help to create a good bad battery?

In the last page of the Eric Dollard thread is listed a Bulgarian site with a download for a cosmic collector. The download is in English. Click on download button on right.

http://www.beinsa.info/index.php?opt...id=10&cid=4940

On page 20 is mentioned the coil (cosmic collector) and an ECM (brushless DC motor). Here is the quote from that page.

"The coil is being charged independently of the motor being run. The motor running is an effect on the moving frequencies through the coil and will run indefinitely without using any power from the battery. The battery is merely sitting in this dimension and nothing is happening or draining. In the 4th dimension it has created a magnet attracting the higher dimensional higher frequency energies. Hence we are pushing frequencies through the coil. Pushing frequencies through a fractal shape yields such results as a magnetic vortex to where when the surface of the coil interacts with the
higher dimensional energy it funnels that energy towards it. It literally opens a hole in our dimension that sucks the energy into itself.

When you reduce the voltage via an ECM you increase the current"

The article talks about the use of teflon. Maybe a capacitor made up of sheets of copper and teflon will make a capacitor equal to a good bad battery?

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Chris,
The link take us to a 404 page. (Page Unknown).
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The link take us to a 404 page. (Page Unknown).
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Hi tachyoncatcher,

Maybe this will help:

The Cosmic Collector - 34 page pdf
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/upl...42/cosmicc.pdf

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BS

Thanks IndianaBoys,
However, when I see "plans" for devices like that without actual photos, I have a hard time not putting it in the BS category. As you know, this forum is loaded with device plans that fail to work as promised. The promises made in that pdf are..... fairy tale like. Builder beware.
<<Edit>> Ok, I see this device has been covered, in this forum at an earlier time, as hog wash. My instincts were right on. <<Edit>>
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:26 PM
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Thanks IndianaBoys,
However, when I see "plans" for devices like that without actual photos, I have a hard time not putting it in the BS category. As you know, this forum is loaded with device plans that fail to work as promised. The promises made in that pdf are..... fairy tale like. Builder beware.
<<Edit>> Ok, I see this device has been covered, in this forum at an earlier time, as hog wash. My instincts were right on. <<Edit>>
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TachyonCatcher,

This was posted last night on RickOff's thread:
The American Ruling Class

Originally Posted by Mad Scientist
Wasn't it Hitler who said some thing along the line if you want people to believe a lie, tell them a really big lie.

Rickoff wrote:
Yes, something like that, MS. It was something he wrote in Mein Kampf, and it went like this:

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"...the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

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So true

Kinda reminds me of the "Oh Bama" crowd. Oh crap, I just made a politically incorrect statement.
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Hi All,
I did not post expecting everyone to build this device. I thought the explanation of the battery causing a magnetic portal in the 4th dimension is as good as any other theory to explain excess energy.

Just because something seems like BS, does not mean that everything is false. Even disinfo contains elements of truth to be accepted. Look at individual parts and ask yourself, is this true?

Is it true a battery has an internal resonance of 1 to 6 Mhz?

Can an ECM motor convert voltage and amps?

I do not know the answers to these questions. If this is true, what else is true in the article?

He mentions the coil getting cold. As I recall in this thread, one experimenter got a cold battery.

My simple mind is saying to me:

If a bad battery gets sulphated and acts as a crystal, then use it as in a crystal radio circuit. Find the resonance of the battery and build a tank circuit to tune to this resonant frequency just like a radio. Maybe a tank circuit will stabilize the rpm of the brush motor to the right frequency?

Try using an aerial and/or a ground in your 3 battery setup to help trap these ambient frequencies.

Not everyone has the money to build this device in this article even if true.
The beauty of this thread is most everyone has bad batteries and old motors laying around. I am not in a position to be an experimenter right now. I have all the stuff. But I am 76 years old and it is a cold winter and very cold in my unheated shop. Maybe this summer?

I am posting here in the hopes that ideas tossed around can lead to solutions for the benefit of everyone. I am trying to think positive, not negative.

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Negative is Positive

Yes Tishatang,
I believe that is what Indiana Boys were trying to say. That there can be a small amount of truth in a large untruth to make it believable. If we look at the small truths, we may find answers to other questions not involved in the larger untruth. It has been suggested that the bad batteries could be acting as: capacitor, antenna, piezo, and inductor. Or maybe a little of all of it. We have been testing the different parts of these theories. Some are building crystal batteries to test the piezo. Some have tested various antenna. There has been various capacitors in place of the batteries. Magnet pieces have been placed in the battery to test magnetic field effect. So far, more questions. I am currently testing pancake coils with this arrangement in place of the bad battery. So far, more questions.
When we see the effect that drives us forward, we can't stop. We would welcome your input and constructions into this maddening puzzle. But always keep this in mind when working with this stuf.
The negative is our positive!
Electrically speaking, of course.
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Thanks for posting that information. I doubt that someone is going to come on here and post the answer for all of us, unless of course it is someone who has built this thing, experimented, and discovered the secret. All we can hope for is that people like you will post things that they find and we can pull pieces out and give them a try to see what works.

Currently I have a couple things going with this. I am in the process of taking a LAB and killing it to make a workable bad battery. I'm following the process Matt used to see if I can replicate his results.

Secondly, I am working on something Carroll suggested to verify some of the results he got.

And outside of those two projects, I keep testing bad batteries in a third setup to see if I can discover a battery that will duplicate the results of my original experiment.

The folks at
Bowling Effect: Two good and one bad battery power a motor while recharging
all think this is a lot of crap because we haven't done "adequate testing" and provided them with "data" to prove this thing works. I don't have the time to keep arguing with them, so the thread there will probably die out. A shame really, because they get thousands of hits there from all over the world, and it might have led to some pretty sharp folks getting involved in this. So that means it is going to be up to those who have seen this thing work to come up with a solution. It is kinda evolving into my life's work. And my wife is ok with that. We have been shopping for property up in the mountains where we can move off the grid, and I'm pretty excited about making that move.

That means I will need a system to provide me with power, and I know what is available. It's gonna be fun.

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Old 02-03-2013, 07:13 AM
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Tishatang,

Sorry for any misunderstandings.

I also appreciate you drawing our attention to the cosmic collector.

There is a saying that goes like this: "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water".

That applies to the Cosmic Collector pdf you referenced.

There are "babies" as well as "bath water" in that pdf.

It is a keeper for the babies it contains.

Thanks again for leading us in a direction to locate it.

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Apologies accepted, although I don't think any are necessary. I didn't take any personal attack on me. I am getting touchy in my old age.

I only occasionally post now. Other things are higher on my priority list. I am writing a biography on my life as a musician. I feel the need to finish it. That is where my talent lies. But, I have always had an interest in science.

Before I get totally absorbed in this book, I want to start a new thread on a much different subject. One that came to my attention about 6 months ago. I expected some followup on this forum and others. But, it never showed up. I have it somewhere on my computer. When I find it, I will post it. But, I want experienced people like you to take it, if you are interested. I will not have time to contribute.

It could be nothing, but I got the feeling this is important. I don't want it to slip through the cracks.

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Chris, if you've already posted it on the forum, just give us the link. If not, post it here. I make copies of everything for my two boys, one of whom is an engineer. He FINALLY got a house of his own and is setting up his own shop to research some of this stuff I have been showing him over the years. He has been having too much fun as a single guy traveling everywhere, and is finally settling down. And he is interested. So I'm excited about that.

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OK. When I find the stuff, I will post it here. Then you can start a new thread and run with it. Then the nagging in the back of my mind will go away. And you will have a new toy to play with.

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Dave and all,
OK, I found it. Original site in Russia. Called RythymoDynamics.

Youtube video here: TV "ВЕСТИ" www.mirit.ru - YouTube

three videos this channel.

Russian site site here: RHYTHMODYNAMICS, ÐÈÒÌÎÄÈÍÀÌÈÊÀ

Download Pdf book here: rhythmodynamics.com/library/rd_2007en.pdf

Seems to defy Newton's law of opposite and equal reaction. Phase conjugate waves from two transducers (peizo?) produce motion to move air without reaction to drive boat. Also produce standing waves to defy gravity with no reaction. Metal balls sits in node. Apparatus does not lift up when heavy ball removed.

Need to determine what transducers needed and freqs needed to produce results shown in video. HV lifters we know about. It is the phase conjugate thing that is intriguing. Even tiny one cell micro-organisms use this principal to produce motion without external arms or legs or fins?

I cannot get these Russian videos to open on my computer.

New book

Hopefully, someone speaks Russian to help here?

Have fun,
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Hi Tishatang,

Thanks for posting, looks interesting.

***Attempted to download the PDF many times but download times out, do you have another link?

Forum user Jetijs may be able to translate the video for us, or at least give us the highligts. He is well respected here and has valuable input to offer.

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Hi, IndianaBoys
Open Russian site home page given above. Near top says Rythymodynamics 2007, Click pm print friendly .pdf.

Also, click on Tab very top that says articles, other stuff

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The process of killing a battery so it will work with the 3BGS and I can get the "proper" test data is taking me a while. I am making about two test runs a day as I attempt to dry out and sulfate a battery, so I have no real new test results to share here. But I continue to try new things. Here is something I thought folks might be interested in:

Batt 3 coil - YouTube

I am getting voltage off the wire wrapped around battery three. I guess I need to get out the book on how to use my oscilloscope and hook it up to see if this is for real, but it sure LOOKS impressive, and I know otherws have duplicated my experiment of holding a meter close to the third battery or the motor and getting voltage readings off of it without the probes being connected to anything.

Fun stuff.

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Dave and all,

Hopefully, someone speaks Russian to help here?

Have fun,
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Tishatang,

Jetijs did us all a favor and was able to interpret the Russian video:

Hi.
There is nothin special about that video, at least I don't see anything. The small sail ship works in a following manner, there is a small fan on the ship, this fan blows air into the sail inflating it, but at the same time, the sail reflects most of the air backwards, because the fan blows at the sail at an angle and not directly at it hed to head. This is how this sailboat sails. He mentions also the lifter tech and that ir works on the Brown effect, but says that still no one knows exactly how it works. That little ball on the scale floats due to coanda effect, look it up on youtube, it is truly a fascinating effect that nature is showing us. In the video the inventor claims, that the small ball does not affect the scale when it is placed in the wind current. And why should it? It is the pressure exerted on the scales form the wind currents coming out of the nozzle that is balancing those scales, adding a small ball into the air current does not exert any backpressure. All the scales see id the pressure created from the air escaping the nozzle.
I think that is about it. Hope this helps.
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IndianaBoys,
Thanks for clarifying the video by Jetijs. However, it is very confusing. The pdf goes on and on describing how a boat is moved using transducers. There is the spider effect of two interacting oscillators in their logo on home site, and the animation of worker moving large load.

What am I missing here? Is there more than meets the eye? Does the spider effect only work for one cell animals? If so, why show boat moving with oscillators in the pdf?

Re the sailboatl; If the angled fan works so good on the model sailboat, maybe we don't need fixed wing aircraft? Just have three fans blowing up at an angle into a parachute and take a ride! If an engine fails, just come down with an already deployed parachute. Seems like it would take less power than direct thrust like Moller SkyCar.

Maybe the small fan is a ploy to deflect what is really going on? Wasn't there some inventor who had a big self-runner motor that hid a small battery in a leg of the table? Once discovered, it hid the real source of the power. Just like all the inventors in the past that openly had something real, bad things happened to prevent their introduction into society.

One will only know by experimenting, what the truth is.

Thanks again,
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Just so you know. I haven't given up on this. I am doing two to three runs per day trying to kill a battery so it will work with this setup. Just nothing new and exciting to post here. I know there are others who are also working on this who have nothing new to share. Just because nothing is getting posted I don't want anybody to think we no longer believe this thing is worth our time. Far from it. So if you haven't built your own setup, get busy!

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Me stills plays from time to time at a Newman Device.
Got 2 Things from there. Once, i could bring one to running from 4 1,5V at Zero Volt Batteries, but i had to put drag on the shaft. I made this with something like a rope and weight (and beside a special wound Coil). Some peoples seems did not understand what i meant, they made a Flywheel but that was not the same, and it did not show the Effect. Thats the same as with the drag here.
The second thing is, i did read lately again at newmans page, and he seems add something more, or i did overread it. He said, at low Voltage, thicker Wire works better, for higher Voltage are thin wires required. And true that, i used now something about awg14 wire for about 5 V batteries, what shows a better efficiency for a selfcharging Effect as the same wire with ie 18V ( 3x 9V Blocks). Otherwise, i used about 24 awg wire, what worked better for 9 V and more V batteries.
So maybe another Key here is to match the Voltage too or the wire size from the Motor.
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For those of you who don't understand WHY I refuse to give up on this, here is another example of the strange behavior this setup causes to happen in batteries. Here is a battery that sat at around 3.5 volts for years. I ran it on the 3BGS setup and the voltage climbed to up over 12 volts while running the motor. If you understand what we have been saying about how the 3BGS works, you understand that I don't WANT that battery voltage to climb. SO I ran a load of a 12 volt bulb on the battery until the light went out. Then I disconnected and watched the voltage on the battery climb back up to over 12 volts without being connected to anything. So I connected the bulb up and ran it AGAIN until the bulb went out. That time when I disconnected it, I shot this video of the voltage climbing so you could all see what I am talking about. I was able to repeat that little experiment 3 more times before my bedtime. This morning the battery was sitting at just over 11 volts after sitting all night last night, and I won't get back to seeing if it will keep draining until Monday.

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