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Old 12-31-2012, 09:03 AM
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Just playing a hunch!

Check out a device running on waves out of the air...no power required
How to Make a Foxhole Radio - YouTube
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How to Make a Foxhole Radio - YouTube
Very ingenious those guys David however as Velacreations says its quite feeble, incidentally it doesn’t even really need the coil, just try a germanium diode into a crystal earpiece and you'll hear something . There's a few things I'd like you to consider the first is.. this is an abortion of a radio system that is incapable of transmitting high power It is the transverse wave electro magnetic radio system the world has been forced to accept.
as opposed to the much faster linear wave electro static wireless system that Tesla intended. Which actually gains power in transmission It is obvious why that had to be destroyed , here is a circuit equivalent to the above running also detuned and using the universes linear waves to supply power
Free electricity - YouTube
Not much power of course because its detuned . However From this circuit and Tesla's and all the others we can see that unlike the crappy Radio system the wireless system has an extremely high antenna input impedance (just like your battery) some times the natural resonant point where Linear wireless waves rush into an “accepter” circuit is found by accident here's one of the forum members who it seems has been dumbfounded by it for 30 odd years
Is This Actually Radiant Energy?
Other folks manage a far more intimate exchange with the linear wave in one form or another
HowStuffWorks "How Spontaneous Human Combustion Works"
Of course It isn't taught and its unlikely anyone reading this will have even an inkling of the maths and science to deal with the linear wave , (That’s what buried and secret means) Here is Eric Dollard describing the wave which I believe the battery is receiving (1 of 6)
Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson - YouTube
You also undoubtedly noticed that the transducer used at the end of the fox hole radio is a crystal earpiece this is because of the crystals very high impedance . Guess what’s in your “bad battery”
lots of lead sulphate crystals
Lead(II) sulfate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
are you willing to bet against me that they aren't doing the reverse in response to the linear wave in the “bad battery” and generating power just like the lighter in your BBQ (ish)?
If I'm correct the nearest proved working system (as tested by the US navy) is that of Henry Moray
if you feel inclined to see what he used for a Transducer I think you'll find its also a crystal (naturally its an unknown one from a fairy chariot in some remote land that’s impossible to ever find again) don’t you just love dis info ? I wont be rushing to Sweden in a hurry anyway.
Here's Henry..
Thomas Henry Moray: The Sea of Energy ~ Excerpts of technical factoids & illustrations of the Moray Radiant Energy Receiver
And here's Henry’s Book
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P26.pdf
Perhaps if I'm even partially correct you start to see the importance of the .. “Naughty bad pesky” battery, Its a/ part of a high impedance antenna system and its b/ a high power crystal transducer.
Of these two its obviously the transducer action that many people are trying all sorts of experiments to stabilize and reproduce.
I've never got so annoyed with a thing that actually fixes batteries that are absolutly officially beyond hope before!
More on the linear wave …. (remember the one that doesn't exsist which is now being forced into use because its the only electrical system capable of driving huge TV screens fast enough)
https://vimeo.com/41021469
PS It also starts to make sense that the capacitor system suggested running with “conditioned batteries” could well work, conditioned batteries as I understand it from a JB lecture are assumed to have a crystal lattice formed on the battery plate, also If I remember correctly the plate is a different colour because of same … but I'm happy to be corrected.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:06 AM
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I would hang on to that one that never let your motor start. It's what we've been looking for to use in the battery modification experiments we've got going. AND, you could just leave it connected for as long as you can stand to do so. Eventually the motor might come on. It might take overnight though.

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Greetings:

I tried a bad 17 AH sealed LAB from a UPS that I picked up yesterday connected to a 1.5 hp 100 VDC motor and it worked. B1 & B2 are 200 AH LABs.

Changing the motor and the bad battery did the trick. The motor waited a few minutes and took off.

A 0.5 hp 120 VAC motor was connected to M1 as a load (M2). The wires from the brushes on M2 were taken to caps and the voltage fed to the input on a SG3524 based Bedini charger. The charger raised a 3K AH battery bank 0.6 volts today.

When the load on M2 is disconnected, M1 runs very fast.

Again, air core coils were used to load the bad battery. With no load on M2, the motor screamed. Connecting the caps to the M2 outpur slowed things back down.

Connecting the primary of a 120/240 to 48 volt transformer really brought the voltage down on the bad battery to the 0.9 range. The system seems to like running the the 2 volt range - give or take a bit.

M2 decided to break loose from it's moorings, so I changed to another bad 17 AH battery while making a new couplingg and nailing things back down. I'll let this run overnight and see how she plays.

You may be on to something about letting the North Star 100AH battery sit connected overnight. That thought drifted through my mind while playing with the setup today. I had another one of those outside, so I brought it in last night. We'll make another setup and give that a shot. Big batteries may just take more time.

You folks have a Happy New Year!!

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On scalar waves

Hello All,
I came across an article titled, The Tesla Howitzer, by anonymous, attached to the website, Index of /. The site is unusual in that there is no browser interface for the home page..just an index on the Apache server. I found very good articles and a number of free energy circuit designs with clear analysis of how the circuits work.
The article focused on scalar waves and I thought repeating the main the idea might be useful here.
"Rigorously, all vector fields are two-point functions and thus decomposable into two scalar fields, as Whittaker showed in 1903.
It follows that any vector wave can be decomposed into two scalar waves. By implication, therefore, a normal transverse EM vector wave, e.g., must simply be two coupled scalar (Tesla) waves-and these scalars independently would be longitudinal if uncoupled.
An ordinary transverse EM vector wave is thus two pair-coupled Tesla scalar longitudinal waves, and only a single special case of the much more fundamental electromagnetics discovered by Nikola Tesla."

The article went on to suggest that scalar waves can be made to interfere constructively by earthquakes that behave like interferometers, which produce some of the wierd lights that have been observed around quakes. One of the contributing phenomena, the author proposes, is the piezoelectric effect of quartz in the rock when pressures mount.

I began to wonder if the sulphate crystals in the dead battery had any piezoelectric effect and whether that effect might be involved in the "mysterious energy" observed in the 3BS. The idea is interesting in that, not only might the dead battery function as a dipole, but it may be an interferometer as well. To Duncan: there's Fourier again.
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During your runs did your primaries hold steady or lose voltage? CAn you compare that loss or gain to what your batt bank gained?

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Old 01-02-2013, 09:26 AM
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Hello All,
I came across an article titled, The Tesla Howitzer, by anonymous, attached to the website, Index of /. The site is unusual in that there is no browser interface for the home page..just an index on the Apache server. I found very good articles and a number of free energy circuit designs with clear analysis of how the circuits work.
The article focused on scalar waves and I thought repeating the main the idea might be useful here.
"Rigorously, all vector fields are two-point functions and thus decomposable into two scalar fields, as Whittaker showed in 1903.
It follows that any vector wave can be decomposed into two scalar waves. By implication, therefore, a normal transverse EM vector wave, e.g., must simply be two coupled scalar (Tesla) waves-and these scalars independently would be longitudinal if uncoupled.
An ordinary transverse EM vector wave is thus two pair-coupled Tesla scalar longitudinal waves, and only a single special case of the much more fundamental electromagnetics discovered by Nikola Tesla."

The article went on to suggest that scalar waves can be made to interfere constructively by earthquakes that behave like interferometers, which produce some of the wierd lights that have been observed around quakes. One of the contributing phenomena, the author proposes, is the piezoelectric effect of quartz in the rock when pressures mount.

I began to wonder if the sulphate crystals in the dead battery had any piezoelectric effect and whether that effect might be involved in the "mysterious energy" observed in the 3BS. The idea is interesting in that, not only might the dead battery function as a dipole, but it may be an interferometer as well. To Duncan: there's Fourier again.
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Hi Obie Just as you say the linear wave is also made of two components , Just seems to be natures way to do it in pairs doesn't it ?
Anyway The maths and physics of the linear wave I find a bit of a chew a few hours of EPDs workings send me off to bed in blinkers!
However Prof. Konstantin Meyl has mapped and mathematically proved the second component you conjecture. One being a “far field” the other being a “near field” Prof Meyl suggests one field has electro static properties whilst the other is magnetic in nature.
I did write to the prof some time ago pointing out some contradictions being assumed on this forum.
In return he replied that he was essentially a theoretical physicist using experiments only to support his theories. however he did point out that before publishing, his proofs have been examined and double checked by many top flight mathematicians and physicists around the world. Professors of Konstantins stature don't like being left with egg on their face!
The Prof is a huge fan of Tesla but points out that Tesla was an experimental physicist a very different beast altogether. I guess we are right on the cusp here,I suspect this wave and its force has been known of since Tesla's time , However Its been suppressed and hidden. Mainstream science and teaching institutions indeed society its self has been altered in order to keep it buried.
This is rather a long interview Obie but if you have the time you'll see the Prof admit to a proven COP>1000 upon receiving a linear power wave. You'll also see he explains this second component.
https://vimeo.com/41021469
I guess over the years Obie lots of researchers have uncovered and used this free universal power source, only for them or their system to be crushed. I guess the main ambition now is not proof of “is there FE “we know without doubt that there is. It is to alter the present evil regime founded on lies murder and deception this power source must be made easily available in large amounts to all. That... is the thrust and ambition of this thread .Although Its specifically a power source we are researching the indications are there is very much more connected to the linear wave. The conjecture I put forward is simply that and Its very secondary to peoples hands on determined experimentation and reports. Every time some one builds researches or tries part of this system another snow ball rolls.
Well done GlenWV the attempt implies trust in what all these guys are saying. I hope you are lucky enough to be in "the zone" quickly if not for the determination to try!!
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:45 PM
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During your runs did your primaries hold steady or lose voltage? CAn you compare that loss or gain to what your batt bank gained?

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Greetings:

I did a quick check on the system before leaving for work. The source batteries are holding steady and M2 is generating @ around 18vdc. Again, removing the M2 output from the caps causes M1 to increase in speed. M2 voltage increases to the 44 vdc area until reconnected to the caps.

M2 output is going into the SG3524 based Bedini charger connected to a battery bank outside.

I removed one field coil from across the Bad Battery to raise the voltage a little. We'll see how that worked this evening.

glen

Note: I'm going through the old posts and making a doc that I can print out for a guide. Some video links no longer work, the big thing is that I'd like to see Matt's schematic(s). thanks, gl.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:09 PM
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I believe the longest anyone has had this thing up and running without the bad battery charging and the whole setup stopping working has been a couple days. At least with the BASIC system as we have outlined it here. So if you get it to go beyond that, you may have something. Let us know how it's going. I for one am rootin' for ya. If you get the chance, shoot some video and post to Youtube and send us all a link. We'd love to see what you've got going.

We need the folks like you who are seeing some success to measure results and post them. Until we have some quality documentation there are always going to be those who say this doesn't really work. I have really never taken the time to do that when I've had it working, because it is so OBVIOUS that you are getting more out than you're putting in I wasn't worried about documenting. Silly me. I thought people would just believe my wild claims of a free energy device. LOL.

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I believe the longest anyone has had this thing up and running without the bad battery charging and the whole setup stopping working has been a couple days. At least with the BASIC system as we have outlined it here. So if you get it to go beyond that, you may have something. Let us know how it's going. I for one am rootin' for ya. If you get the chance, shoot some video and post to Youtube and send us all a link. We'd love to see what you've got going.

We need the folks like you who are seeing some success to measure results and post them. Until we have some quality documentation there are always going to be those who say this doesn't really work. I have really never taken the time to do that when I've had it working, because it is so OBVIOUS that you are getting more out than you're putting in I wasn't worried about documenting. Silly me. I thought people would just believe my wild claims of a free energy device. LOL.

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Greetings:

@Matthew: The schematic I was looking for on one of your posts had to do with the use of multiple bad batteries with the inverter attached and lighting bulbs. I went back and 'really' watched the videos you posted on this and pretty much see what you did. I'll give this a try in a day or two. You also mentiioned a pdf file on the Radiant Energy Collector, or something like that. I went back and got that too. (More to play with!!)

@Dave: The changes that I made this morning got me out of the zone, so my source batteries were down this evening. The generator, M2, was still putting out around 15 volts but M1 & M2 were turning slow. I disconnected the circuit and put the source batteries on charge.
You are correct about documentation. Now that I have something that works, I'll start documenting more thoroughly.

Pictures I can get. Video will have to be figured out. Only have dial-up at home.

Great stuff!

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You should keep your bad battery shorted out when not in use so it doesn't repair itself
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bad bad ... naughty battery

It very clear that many guys are chasing after a method to stabilise that splendid “Bad battery” once its got off The naughty step that is! It seems very likely to me for the reasons above that the crystal formation is probably responsible in some way. One of the possibilities that comes to the fore front particularly as David mentioned that the anonymous contributor used “conditioned batteries” with the capacitor system is that there is a much harder resilient “crystal lattice” formed by what we and many thousands who have built SSGs know by the euphemism of “conditioned batteries” (Wow that Bedini guys responsible for a lot of sleepless nights … well done John! )
I also recall that JB considered that capacitors also became “conditioned” although as far as I know science makes no provision for this “conditioned” structure . I Recalled JB did a demonstration showing the condition of a plate in a/ A conditioned battery and b/A none conditioned battery
I was sure It was part of the Energy from the vacuum series, (perhaps it is and I haven’t found it yet) I obviously have a hope that this structure could remain stable. Although I could not find the Energy from the vacuum DVD I did find the clip and comment on the condition mouldering in the energetic archives since circa 2008 thanks to John Bedini's assistant Rick Friedrich the clip remains current. I link to the thread instead of the you tube clip because perhaps some of those members may yet be able to progress our understanding of “conditioning” what it is, and how it works!
I make no apology for dredging this up from the past
.MUST SEE ! John Bedini with showing the crystals on the plates
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You should keep your bad battery shorted out when not in use so it doesn't repair itself
I am doing the setup with a small 12v motor and a piece of wood attached as a load but my primaries are going down. Should I leave the bulb attached on B3 while motor is running?
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You need to match the load on the motor with the load on batt 3, so the load on the motor must be a constant load. So yes, the bulb should remain while running the motor. Did you follow the steps in post #1 to make sure you have a good "bad" battery?
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You need to match the load on the motor with the load on batt 3, so the load on the motor must be a constant load. So yes, the bulb should remain while running the motor. Did you follow the steps in post #1 to make sure you have a good "bad" battery?
No I will see that post again.
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I rewrote the first post on this thread. Hopefully it will be more informative on how to begin working with this setup. But I can't help but keep coming back to one aspect of my original bad battery that we have YET to see in any of the bad batteries we have worked with here, although I do believe a couple folks have mentioned seeing something similar. It is this.

With my original bad battery when the switch was thrown the voltage would jump to 24 volts. It would slowly go down to 18 volts and the motor would come on. It would continue to go on down to around 9 volts and then the motor would shut off, the voltage would jump back to 24, and the cycle would repeat.

What inside the battery could cause this to happen??? That is what we need to understand, because THAT was what made my original battery work. A connection that somehow became disconnected, but would become connected again? (Like the float in a toilet...when it raises to a certain level it shuts off the water?)

Which I believe focuses us back on the voltage reading for battery 3.
When it measures 24 volts, what is this really a measure of?
When it drops to 18 volts and the motor starts, what is this really a measure of?
When it dropped to 9 (on my original) what was this a measurement of? And WHY haven't we seen that in ANY of our replications? What was so unusual about that particular "miracle" battery?
How do we MAKE THAT HAPPEN in our replications.

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Dave --
Good points.
I keep wondering if this variation in voltage across the "bad" battery 3 that you observed might have something to do with electrolysis or other chemical action INSIDE that battery. Having some chemistry background along with my physics PhD, leads me to this hypothesis -- although I can't yet check it with specific chemical reactions. I'll give this some more thought...

(Any more word on that circuit with the capacitor replacing battery 3? If the above is correct, putting a cap in place of batt 3 probably will NOT work.)

Best wishes to all -- for the benefit of mankind (rather than making a few very wealthy).
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Glad you mentioned that before I stick my nose in it

Patent # 763062 (its a UK patent)

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Blast from the Past

Back in 2008 when I first posted on Overunity and Sterling Allen did a page on this on PESWiki, somebody here at EF started a page on the 3BGS..only as "David Bowling's Continuous Charger". It died rather quickly. I did not even know about this site at that time.

Anyway, at that time DavidE posted the following info:


Below is a schematic that does actually charge with minimal losses.



When I put the motor between the positives... it did charge the
battery, the charging battery actually got warm. I also could
here it boiling inside (charging battery).

When I put it on the negative side, just charging... no increase
temperature.

Test #6 30 minute duration
30 min rest then collect standing voltage
Battery 1 12.35v/12.35v (loss .00)
Battery 2 12.32v/12.32v (loss .00)
Battery 3 2.05v/1.95v
Battery 4 12.22V/12.47v (gain .25v)

As to the motor... no switching control (just on/off). As the
battery gets charged it slows down to just a few rpm.

Test #7 60 minute duration
60 min rest then collect standing voltage
Battery 1 12.36v/12.33v (loss .03)
Battery 2 12.33v/12.29v (loss .04)
Battery 3 1.99vv/1.97v
Battery 4 9.14v/11.61v (gain 2.24v)


Which indicates to me that there MAY be a difference when you split the positives or negatives with the motor. My original split the positives. So I am going to go back to putting the motor between the positives. His schematic showed THREE primaries and the motor between the positives of battery three (good battery) and battery 4 (bad battery).

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Hey Steven,

Did you manage a look at GB Patent 763062?

Love to hear your thoughts.

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I picked up 10 bad AGM batteries at Batteries+ today, plus 2 of the 2.3 amp hour 12 volts to match the one I have taken apart for experimenting. Let the fun begin!!
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slight progress

After trying all last week, I finally found one bad B3 that starts a stock 12VDC PM motor after some hours (like 10, including a pause for a recharge of B1&B2). The previous 2 bad batteries were so bad they wouldn't start the motor.

I have a differential scope probe(s) across the motor (no ground, two probes +-).

I noticed that, before the motor starts, there is a small amount of AC ripple (0.1V) across the motor biased at the DC voltage across the motor (e.g. 0.17V, etc), and, every now and then a small burst of 2-way spikes (2Vpp and up) appears.

On the good bad battery (the 3rd one last night), these spike clusters were nearly continuous. Once the motor started, the DC voltage across the motor jumped, I saw what I assume is commutator ripple and no more spikes.

The attached photo doesn't do the spikes justice - the contrast between the trace and the spikes is too high...

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I hooked up two brand new $30 dollar apiece AWG 2.5 amp hour batteries to one of my larger AWG batteries (a bad one) that wouldn't let the motor start in the 3BGS configuration. I made the mistake of leaving it connected overnight. Today both brand new batteries showed 5 volts and would not run my motor when connected directly (well, barely, and then it would quit). I tried putting them on a charger, but it indicates they are fully charged and wouldn't charge them. So I took one of them and put it in the third position with two other batteries and ran it for two hours. At the end of that time the other two batteries had dropped in voltage and the little 2.5 had come up to 9 volts. Now it works on the charger again. Oh what fun. Still have one to fix and no positive results with the setup so far.
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My best good-bad battery B3 developed a tumor. After its first run, I left it unhooked (not shorted out, nor loaded), for some 6-8 hours.

I went downstairs to try the next phase and noticed that the most-positive corner of the battery had bulged quite badly and the glued-down vent cover had lifted.

It looks like it still works - the motor started right away, and adding a 12v bulb across it caused the motor to speed up.

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After almost 5 weeks of testing I have not yet managed to run the system whilst at the same time seeing an increase in voltage across batteries 1 and 2. There have been glimpses of unusual behaviour but never lasting long enough to do meaningful measurements. I will be continuing to test in a few days time once the batteries are all recharged and intend to produce a summary of all findings in due course. However, I thought it might be worth mentioning something that I discovered today that others may want to think about and possibly use to evaluate battery suitability. I use an older variant of this charger http://www.batteriesdirect.com.au/sh...49/mb3518.html. It has 2 LEDs: one indicates that the battery is charging and the other indicates that the polarity is incorrect. When attempting to charge those batteries that appear suitable for use as battery 3, the polarity LED never lights when the battery is connected incorrectly to the charger, regardless of the voltage reading across the terminals. I have 2 12V batteries that I have been using in position 3. One rests at 0.000V and the other at 5.8V. Both fail to trigger the polarity warning on the charger and both will accept a reverse charge for a while on occasion. This needs further investigation but I thought it worthwhile mentioning as it may help others when trying to identify suitable battery 3 candidates.
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Battery 3

@JJUK, @All
I have had the coveted, charging of the primaries, with 2 different batteries. One, for just one evening of fun with a standard motor. The other, I played with for nearly a week using the, before mentioned pulse motor. I would run the motor, an inverter, and various loads up to 150 watts, on the inverter. I had a couple runs up to 4 hours on the last good/bad battery and when I shut it down, my primaries would be fully charged! Now, I'm not talking some 100 Ah batteries, these are 7Ah. Then I tried to run it over night with a 100 watt load. The big test!

The next morning, I found the primaries drained. I put on a fresh set of primaries and...
nothing worked the same. My 3rd battery was no longer translating. At first, I thought a short in my motor, but no. Put my scope on the motor, Scalars abundant. Like my first 3rd battery/translator, it stopped working. I am still on the hunt for the next.

Things I found common on my successful 3rd battery/translator:
found standing voltage; less than 3v ( when drained will hold at 0 )
impedance; off the charts ( I have 3 different kinds of ohm meters and none could get any reading on these 2 batteries ) I can normally read good batteries and most dead ones.

Hope this helps.
Good Luck,
Randy
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:13 AM
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Randy,
What kind of meter are you using to measure impedance?

I know multimeters don't work because they feed current into the battery , which causes a charging action.

i have been trying to figure out exactly WHICH pieces of test equipment I need to buy, other than a multi channel oscilloscope. This is what I have been looking at:
Computerized 2 Channel Precision Battery Analyzer for All Rechargeable Batteries up to 18V 120W - EQ-UBA5HV


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Old 01-09-2013, 11:04 AM
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Thats just Load / Charge tester. You don't need to pay for that unless your looking for good batteries or something along that line.

As far as the bad battery goes what you see on multimeter in Ohms is not true impedance, and the resistance value gives very little information. A good impedance tester like the one I have will not even register a dead battery candidate. A good batteries impedance is around .002 +- ohms. And most of the meters return measurements less than 1 ohm. Above one ohm they stop registering.
As far as a Multi Meter goes well of course you get near infinite Ohmic value. You should not get conduction across the plates no matter what, so thats just useless for anything other than a simple reference. And most likely that will change with the wind every time you use it.

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Reference Point

Guys,
I use the ohm meter as a reference point for finding good candidates. If I have used improper terminology, I apologize.
  • I first find a battery 3v or less, If the battery is dry, I add water to wet the plates. If the battery recovers from the water to above 3v, I don't use it.
  • I take the battery candidate and drain the power from it completely.
  • Let it set for a couple days shorted. ( We like sulfated batteries. )
  • Stick my ohm meter on the battery at it highest setting. A good candidate will ALWAYS show infinite. The ones that have given me a reading, have never worked out. I test the battery in both directions in case there is some remnant charge in one direction from the battery that causes a reading. I do not know what goes on inside my meter, just that I get a reading.
I look for a stone dead battery. I have had no luck with those that are just weak batteries. Oh, some will give me longer runs, but that is not what I'm looking for. I'm obsessed over those two that charged my primaries. That is my experience.
Good Luck,
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:21 PM
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Matt,
I've just been looking for SOME kind of meter we can put on these batteries that will give us more information about what is going on inside them when we are getting good results so we can start narrowing this thing down. I'm not sure if such an animal exists! Got any suggestions? I'll pawn the Jag and get one...well, I would if I HAD a Jag.

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Thanks Randy!

Hi Randy,

Thanks for once again stressing how important it is to get the right "bad" battery. We have had several people try any dead battery they have found and then not getting good results. Those of us that have seen the amazing results of the right dead battery will probably never give up on the search for the right "bad" battery or a way to make one. I just wish more people would have the patience to keep looking when their first try doesn't work. I just had one that only worked for a few hours and then it developed some kind of very high resistance in it that was creating a hot spot. From the videos Dave did it appears the hot spot is where one cell is connected to the next one right at the top of the case. So now it is back to trying again to get one that works.

Later,
Carroll
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