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Old 05-08-2012, 10:26 AM
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Hi all,

It has been some time since I come keeping on this thread. It is a very interesting theme and I send my congratulations for yours efforts investigating the effect.

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I understand that configuration has not returned to work in the original shape.I have observed a circuit to work correct and next do not work without apparent cause.
At this moment I am trying with Ufopolitics's circuit, keeping on his thread. I have managed to see an indicator of radiant with the purple light of neon, but sometimes it works and other ones no, untouched absolutely nothing. I do not explain to myself to what he can be owed, I have tried some things and I do not find the pattern. In general I get the effect with some conditions to the 90 % and with another configuration to the 80 % approximately.

I keep on this thread and and I hope to be able to replicate the circuit soon.


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my 3BGS test

Hi all

I was busy reading this thread from the beginning and it was interesting so i tried to have my shear in this thread just by replicate David experiment but
I donít have dc motor and I donít have dead battery so I was looking for 12v dc brush motor and i found small one maybe it draw 140ma but then I have a battery I donít need it and its voltage was 8v so I drain it to2v by putting 5w load across it for 7days and then I did my first run with 140ma dc motor and 60AH dead battery and two 12v 7.2Ah sealed Led Acid Battery as a primary and as soon as i put the switch on the motor start to run and then i tried different loads and that was just a start and i knew that i connect the circuit in a proper way and at least I didnít make some fire and that was a good sign but on the other hand the test didnít go as i hope because David said that the motor shouldnít run immediately but as i said it was just a start.
then yesterday I remember that I have 12v dc drill so I took its battery out and connect it to the circuit and I was careful because I donít want to smoke this drill , so i was looking carefully during the test .
The drill is 12v dc 1.4A and i also used 0.3A 12v dc brushless fan across the dead battery as a load and to cool my motor so here is the video for this test.

3 BGS test - YouTube

Then in the night I did the test again and I will put my notice and reading here:
1.I used a voltmeter across the battery to measure the voltage across the
battery during the whole process; also there is a voltmeter across the dead
battery and voltmeter across each primary battery.
2.I used 0.3A 12v DC brushless fan across the dead battery as a load and to
cool the motor as I said.
3.My motor is 12v DC 1.4A drill max speed is 550rpm
4.I used different automotive bulbs as a loads 10w,10w,5w,10,20w so I was
playing with these loads during the test.
5.The Dead battery voltage was 1.5v

When I first start the test and turn on the switch the motor didnít start and the voltage across the dead battery climb up to 24.3v and the fan start immediately after I run the circuit but it was running fast for 2sec and then it almost dead and then it run fast for 2 sec and then dead I notice when the voltage for the dead battery 24v its start and when the fan start the voltage go down to 23.8v and the voltage across the motor is 0.5 v when the fan run and 0.7v when the fan stop .

When I hook up 5w bulb across the dead battery the voltage across the motor was less than 1v and the bulb was about to explode so I turn of the 5w load and as soon as I put on 10w load the voltage across the motor start to climb up from 1v gradually to 12.5vand the motor start and increase its speed until it reach 540rpm (the motor start as soon as I put 10w load but it was running slowly and increase its speed as the voltage across the motor increase )and at the same time the voltage across the dead battery decrease as the motor speed increase and when the motor reach 12.3v the system was almost stable but after 5 minutes the system start to be unstable but I have noticed that my primaries was less than 12v so I turn of the system .
During the system run I noticed that the primaries lose voltage.
This was my first documented run and I will do more tests.
Sorry for the silly details but it will be helpful for the beginners like me they want to replicate this interesting experiment, they need every small detail to make compering between their result and the others results.

Good luck

Ehsan

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Old 05-09-2012, 05:43 PM
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ehsanco1062,

Glad to see you here building a setup and messing with it. You are giving us good information.
Watch your primaries after the experiment. How long until they come back to where they started from, if they ever do? They SHOULD, but everybody's setup is a little different.

If you get it to balance, but are unable to keep it in balance, it usually means you do NOT have enough of a load on battery three and it is being allowed to charge. As soon as it gains some voltage, its potential changes and messes everything up. This is the main reason you need a really DEAD battery for number three----one that won't take a charge.

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Hi Turion

Your thread is interesting and exiting a lot of people here working hard and I think that this is promising and I think that we are here close to get some good result and I am just waiting to charge my battery to go with the tests I have many thing in my mind to try I am just trying to replicate your way because it's simple and every one can do it but the only difficulty is with the dead battery I was hopping that some one can replicate Matt schematic the one that he use the cap instead of the dead and wings battery and I am sure that the dead battery is acting lick capacitor .the problem is that Matt using the propelar and I have the basic stamp the one we use it on Matt tesla switch so that work then I need the p-Chanel Mosfet and some ather parts but I am just waiting because Matt says to wait , but untill then I am trying with your set up and I hope some one can get it working and tuned soon.

I hope you can do it because you start it and you deserve to complete it.

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Hi Turion

Your thread is interesting and exiting a lot of people here working hard and I think that this is promising and I think that we are here close to get some good result and I am just waiting to charge my battery to go with the tests I have many thing in my mind to try I am just trying to replicate your way because it's simple and every one can do it but the only difficulty is with the dead battery I was hopping that some one can replicate Matt schematic the one that he use the cap instead of the dead and wings battery and I am sure that the dead battery is acting lick capacitor .the problem is that Matt using the propelar and I have the basic stamp the one we use it on Matt tesla switch so that work then I need the p-Chanel Mosfet and some ather parts but I am just waiting because Matt says to wait , but untill then I am trying with your set up and I hope some one can get it working and tuned soon.

I hope you can do it because you start it and you deserve to complete it.

Good luck
Hi Ehsan,

Thanks for joining in and reporting your results so far. I don't think it'll be much longer before we have this system working for us.

Cheers,

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Old 05-09-2012, 11:31 PM
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I'm working on mine right now. Got all the parts, and should have it done in the next day or so. I only have a small transformer wound right now, but that should work for messing with.

You can use the stamp instead of the propeller. The propeller just has the ability to control more things. The stamp should work just fine for this. I have a stamp also, and will be getting a propeller one of these days. Unfortunately, there are several things ahead of it on my list of "must have" items.

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Old 05-11-2012, 09:49 AM
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Hi Turion

It seems that my dead battery isnít dead after all, I start the circuit without load and wait for 3 hours and the motor didnít start and the dead battery charge to 12v and i dropped my primaries voltage.
So i think the best thing is to find the other way i mean using the cap instead of the dead battery.
I donít know but I have a big cap the one i bough for Matt tesla switch the big one its 1 Farad 20v i just wander if that work but I am worry because its rated voltage 20 and when we start the first run the voltage goes to 25v and thatís way over the cap can handle maybe Matt can answer this question.
And about your transformer are you using the same as Matt did, 4 wires #18AWG 40 turn each?
Or itís too small to wound 40 turns and maybe you can use less wire gauge to do the 40 turns.

Good luck

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Overvoltage protection is second issue on my list to learn. Somebody has experience with this topic ? I know we can use zener diodes in low power circuits but the way it is described is not good because it require resistor between power source and load to dissipate current when overvoltage incident happen. That resistance is however part of circuit even when there is no over-voltage.
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Overvoltage protection is second issue on my list to learn. Somebody has experience with this topic ? I know we can use zener diodes in low power circuits but the way it is described is not good because it require resistor between power source and load to dissipate current when overvoltage incident happen. That resistance is however part of circuit even when there is no over-voltage.
you can use varistors or transils to do it.
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Trying cap instead of bad battery

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I tried to used caps instead of the bad battery and as I said in my previous post I have 1 farad 20v and because it's not cheap so I didn't take the risk to try it and since I have 5 x10000mf 50v so i thouht it Will be agood replace for the 1 farad 20v and here is my notices during the test:
1.When run the circuit and have no load the motor start for 1sec and stop and the voltage across the motor jump to 3.3v and then after one sec goes to 0 and across the cap start with 22.3 and then after one second goes to 24.4
2.when I put 5w load the motor start for 2sec and then stop the voltage across the motor was 5.3 and the voltage across the cap start with 12v and then goes to 25.4v.
3. When I put 10w load the motor start slowly and continue with that slow speed and the voltage across the motor start with 5.9v and the stop on 1.2v and the motor continue on its slow speed and the voltage across the cap start with 8.5v and then stop on 22.2v.
3.when I hook 15w load the motor start running more faster and the voltage was 6.2v and the voltage across the cap was 18.6v
4. When I put 20 w load the motor start running fast and the voltage across the motor was 14.7 v and the voltage across the cap was 9.6v .
5. When I hook up a 0.3a fan across the motor and 25 w load across the cap the voltage across the motor was 12.79 v and across the cap was 11.5v and the system was stable .

But I could never be able to recover the primarily to its original voltage even after 10hr rest.i wish I could have to DC motors to get benefit from the rotation of the motor which I am west it right now .

Ehsan

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I have just a quick question how much should be the voltage across the dead battery I mean the ideal one ?
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I tried to used caps instead of the bad battery and as I said in my previous post I have 1 farad 20v and because it's not cheap so I didn't take the risk to try it and since I have 5 x10000mf 50v so i thouht it Will be agood replace for the 1 farad 20v and here is my notices during the test:
1.When run the circuit and have no load the motor start for 1sec and stop and the voltage across the motor jump to 3.3v and then after one sec goes to 0 and across the cap start with 22.3 and then after one second goes to 24.4
2.when I put 5w load the motor start for 2sec and then stop the voltage across the motor was 5.3 and the voltage across the cap start with 12v and then goes to 25.4v.
3. When I put 10w load the motor start slowly and continue with that slow speed and the voltage across the motor start with 5.9v and the stop on 1.2v and the motor continue on its slow speed and the voltage across the cap start with 8.5v and then stop on 22.2v.
3.when I hook 15w load the motor start running more faster and the voltage was 6.2v and the voltage across the cap was 18.6v
4. When I put 20 w load the motor start running fast and the voltage across the motor was 14.7 v and the voltage across the cap was 9.6v .
5. When I hook up a 0.3a fan across the motor and 25 w load across the cap the voltage across the motor was 12.79 v and across the cap was 11.5v and the system was stable .

But I could never be able to recover the primarily to its original voltage even after 10hr rest.i wish I could have to DC motors to get benefit from the rotation of the motor which I am west it right now .

Ehsan
Thanks for the test results, I have not seen anyone post about doing this test although I do not read every post. We will never know if the battery can be replaced by a capacitor unless it is tested. Maybe you should try a smaller cap with a resistor in series.

It would be interesting to measure the impedance and capacitance of a dead battery that was found to work. I suspect it is also related to the size of the supply batteries and specs of the motor. Once we have narrowed down the parameters it will make replication easier.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:11 PM
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Hi mbrownn

here is the video for the test I did I hope it will help see the test not just read it.



2 BGS with caps part 1 - YouTube


2 BGS with caps part 2 - YouTube

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Thanks for joining in and reporting your results so far. I don't think it'll be much longer before we have this system working for us.

Cheers,

Luther


Hi Luther

I did see your experiment very promising but I donít know why use pulley as a load on the motor instead of another DC motor connected throw the belt maybe you are just like me couldnít find DC motor ,
I hope you will make this system done and work soon and I will be even happier than anybody else if this system works as we all hope.

Good luck

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here is the video for the test I did I hope it will help see the test not just read it.



2 BGS with caps part 1 - YouTube


2 BGS with caps part 2 - YouTube

Ehsan
Thanks for the video as it reveals more about your setup. Your motor does have a small load on it as it is driving the gearbox of the drill. One other thing to note is that the motors in these drills often have a small capacitor inside to reduce radio interference which is likely to reduce the backspikes.

We know that the dead batteries act a little like a capacitor and they have a high internal impedance so you are likely to need a resistor in series with your capacitor to make the capacitor perform more like the dead battery.

When looking at the voltage on the supply battery, we want to see it rise. this is quite normal on most loads, but we want it to remain above the standing voltage or at the standing voltage for the duration. It may be possible to load it so that the voltage drops slightly below standing voltage as we know the charging effect of spikes is disproportionate to their power.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:37 AM
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Hi mbrownn

Thank you for your notice.
That's the only motor I can find right now but I am still looking for another motor or maybe two if I am lucky and this setup was just to show that capacitor can be used instead of the bad battery and I will try to connect different resistors in series with the caps and see how that will effect the result.

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Thank you for your notice.
That's the only motor I can find right now but I am still looking for another motor or maybe two if I am lucky and this setup was just to show that capacitor can be used instead of the bad battery and I will try to connect different resistors in series with the caps and see how that will effect the result.

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The size of motor fitted to your drill would be a little big for the batteries you are using, I would think. When choosing a motor for your setup I would choose one with three windings as they give a strong backspike for their size and I believe it is the backspike that is key to this circuits success.

All I am going on is theory as I have not done much testing with this system myself although I did notice the effect for a time when I tested it. People with more experience may have something better to add.
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I did see your experiment very promising but I donít know why use pulley as a load on the motor instead of another DC motor connected throw the belt maybe you are just like me couldnít find DC motor ,
I hope you will make this system done and work soon and I will be even happier than anybody else if this system works as we all hope.

Good luck

Ehsan
Thanks Ehsan,

I'm working on a couple of larger versions of this system... I tried to upload photos but it didn't work... sorry about that... I tried using "insert image" but the photos didn't upload...

Cheers,

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Thanks Ehsan,

I'm working on a couple of larger versions of this system... I tried to upload photos but it didn't work... sorry about that... I tried using "insert image" but the photos didn't upload...

Cheers,

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Hi Luther

You can use this web site to upload your photo there and then after upload the photo you can copy the link that is below the photo you upload and paste it inside your post thatís it

good luck with your large version

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Old 05-13-2012, 04:55 PM
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2 Battery &cap generating system using small motor

Hi all

I have found a small motor and so I remove my drill motor and hook up this small motor , I tried different resistors in series with the motor and I find the only one that work and put balance to the setup is 0.33ohm 20w and i tried 5w resistors they heat up and one of them get smoked.
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2 Battery with caps using small motor - YouTube


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Hi all

I have found a small motor and so I remove my drill motor and hook up this small motor , I tried different resistors in series with the motor and I find the only one that work and put balance to the setup is 0.33ohm 20w and i tried 5w resistors they heat up and one of them get smoked.
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2 Battery with caps using small motor - YouTube


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Do you have a switch in that setup? I didn't see a serial switch in the movie.

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Hi all

I have found a small motor and so I remove my drill motor and hook up this small motor , I tried different resistors in series with the motor and I find the only one that work and put balance to the setup is 0.33ohm 20w and i tried 5w resistors they heat up and one of them get smoked.
Here is a short video

2 Battery with caps using small motor - YouTube


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0.33 ohms is probably a similar resistance to a good battery, I would expect a much higher impedance on a bad battery.

I would choose a resistor and load that would allow the cap to rise to 18v or more. This is only a guess but I would choose a load that causes a drain of less than 1/20th of the amp hour rating of the source. This way we are keeping the load on the source battery in the batteries optimum range.

With a motor you may find that the spikes are higher at one side of the motor than the other so you need to connect the polarity of the motor in a way that the higher spikes are at the good battery side. Without a scope your only method of doing this is to watch the voltage of the source batteries. Watch for the rise in voltage of the source batteries above standing voltage and connect the motor in a way that gives the largest rise.

In a normal circuit that has a moderate to low drain you see a small rise in voltage followed by a drop. I would expect the same on this circuit but I think we are aiming for a drop of less than the initial rise or at least not much more than the initial rise.

Does this make sense to you? comments please everyone
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It looks like your source batteries are 12v 7Ah so if we divide 7 by 20 we get 350mA. I would consider this the maximum load current on the source.

If our standing voltage is 25v and we divide that by 350mA this will give us a capacitor resistance of 71.4 ohms but we will get a rise in voltage so I would choose 80 ohms as the resistance in series with the capacitor as a starting point.

If we achieve 18 volts in the cap we could have 18 x 350mA = 6.3 watts. I would consider this the maximum load power but the source battery is actually supplying a little over 6v at 350mA so maybe our load needs to be around 2.1w, only testing will tell us which is correct.

This voltage and current must cause the motor to run.
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Thanks for the assistance. I've rearranged my battery banks and am in the process of charging them now. It takes forever to charge 225Ah batteries! ha! I'm doing it at the C20 rate and then bumping up the current at the end of charge to push them all the way up...

I'll post something more once I have a bigger setup actually running... but it'll be awhile as I'm not going to rush this process...

Here's a couple of pix for the moment...

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None of it is going to work with a capacitor (A2) unless you have switching. All the bulb is doing is allowing the cap to empty for potential to flow. You might as well put the load on the battery and burn the power.
The switching allows the motor to kick back to the primary and the cap with the BEMF and allows you to take advantage of it.
The wings (A1, A3) have induced charge that will go back to the battery because of the serial configuration with A2. This allows for more recovery from the primaries.
But the switching is the key. You have to have off time and generated power for everything to work.
As far as the spikes coming from the battery as long as you have the positive lead of the motor towards the battery the VERY LITTLE spikes will go in the correct direction, unless the motor is unidirection (Push Or Pull not both) which I doubt.

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....which is one of the reasons Matt posted the circuit to be used with a STAMP. We have tried using caps and know what the problems are with that configuration. By using a STAMP you can control the duty cycle.

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Hey guys,

Watch Mopozco's latest --

adams' motor - "electromagnetic turbine" - YouTube

Do you see the similarities ?


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It looks like your source batteries are 12v 7Ah so if we divide 7 by 20 we get 350mA. I would consider this the maximum load current on the source.

If our standing voltage is 25v and we divide that by 350mA this will give us a capacitor resistance of 71.4 ohms but we will get a rise in voltage so I would choose 80 ohms as the resistance in series with the capacitor as a starting point.

If we achieve 18 volts in the cap we could have 18 x 350mA = 6.3 watts. I would consider this the maximum load power but the source battery is actually supplying a little over 6v at 350mA so maybe our load needs to be around 2.1w, only testing will tell us which is correct.

This voltage and current must cause the motor to run.

Hi mbrownn

A lot of work has to done.
Thanks for the information. I will try to play with different loads and see what is the different.
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Do you have a switch in that setup? I didn't see a serial switch in the movie.

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Hi Matt

No I didnít use a switch in this video or the other videos because when I use the switch the voltage across the motor will increase to 22v when I use the small motor and to 17.2 with the drill motor and the voltage across the cap was 2.3v with the small motor and 6.06 with the drill motor and I donít have 1ohm 100watt resistor but i have 1ohm 5w resister which was very hot to touch when running the the motor for 1min and i think the main problem is that i need another motor to as a generator and to load the motor and reduce its speed to increase the voltage across the cap so the bulb will bright normally when the voltage across the cap above 12v .
Thatís how I think I might be wrong.

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