OK

If its just rotor with magnets and coils on the stator, your just waisting a bunch of copper.

Lenz Free Ecklin-Brown style generator is the only way to go.

You gotta make everything real tight and put a little felt on your rotor so it never completely makes contact with the magnets while at low speeds. the attraction goes away though at higher speed.
They need to be big magnets. 2" radius half in thick. So the rotor will want to stick. During storage you have to pin it away from the magnets.
The rotor as shown in the pictures is an attachment blade for weed eaters. You can pick them up for 10 dollars or something.
The coils do better when constructed short and fat with cores of soft iron welding rods. You can also premagnetize the rods in the opposite direction to get not only a small gain but a more radial sine wave. Do this by bundling the rods with bailing wire, heating the entire bundle up, adding magnets in the correct direction and cooling quickly. Then repeat Until you can pick up a paper clip with just the iron.
When you store it you have to cover the magnets with something metal to prevent the constant saturation of the coils. Which will cause polarization in the wrong direction.

Mount the magnets on a NON ferrous material. You can use both sides as well and daisy chain the thing together.

This generator is only hard to start. Once its up and running you have little t know resistance and should have a very cold current that will run on small wire, as well as charge batteries negatively.

Mind you it may not measure over unity but if you are slick and not consuming power to turn the motor you'll have real nice setup.

And NO you cannot see mine, build your own.
Matt

At long last!!! Once again someone mentions the proper method for building a MOTOR GENERATOR!!!! Personally I wouldn't go with the Eklin-Brown method, but it is definitly a step in the proper direction!!! If you have a little free time and spare parts, invest a little time in that direction.

I second that! "NO you cannot see mine, build your own."

Regards

Which way would you go!

The only reason I do not want to show mine is it is duck tape and bailing wire. LOL its embarrassing to say the least.

Matt

Do you think it would be an advantage with an Ecklin-Brown style generator to use some mumetal for cutting flux between magnet and coil? Pieces of mumetal are fairly easy to find from old hard drives as well as some surplus sources and mumetal apparently blocks the magnet field better than regular metal.

Dang is there any kind of motor Konehead hasn't built? LOL

I am sure it might, its just a matter of how close you get everything together. At high speed (2000) rpm you just knock the field out of the way for short time. I do not know how much difference it would make.

Matt

Hello Matt,

I understand now, duck tape..can't say I have needed to use any in any of my contraptions.....yet...LOL...If that is the only reason for not showing it...show it off anyway! You of all people know that this is not a beauty contest it's about demonstrating working principles, and if your device does that then it's definitely worth demonstrating!

To answer your question as to which direction I would go in, a year or two ago there was a guy who visited this forum. He demonstrated a very interesting Ecklin-Brown type setup, in my opinion, the design and performance of his setup was superior to what I have been able to find and test with regards to Ecklin-Brown. He had youtube videos, and was posting info about his device here. I asked him a few questions which I guess he wasn't ready to answer. Long story short, he vanished!!! He removed all of his videos on youtube and deleted his account!

Thankfully, in keeping with the times and trends, this individual patented his device.

5,191,258 - Electric Current Generator Including Torque Reducing Countermagnetic Field

Very interesting device! The inventor calls it a generator but a few of you here know like I know that motors and generators are one!
This is the preferred direction (mine), with a few twists of course......


Regards

Ya I remember that. Its just an Alternating Generator that he applies low voltage to the coils to prevent lenz. He doesn't get rid of it all together.

PART 2 Motionless Plate Generator - YouTube

This is Thane Hiens video of his attempt, why part 1 is missing I do not know.

The thing about it (EB Gen) is how big you can make them. Then all you need is real big burst of torque on the start up and alot of speed after its going.

If the motor doesn't cost anything to run....well


I am building better one that actually puts out so when that done I'll show off.
Its not just duck tape on the one now it really doesn't put out much power compared to what it uses. But It did show me a load with no lenz.

Matt

I remember that video. Always wondered if part 1 exists, what did he demonstrate in it.

Thanes device is probably the closest to the patent I mentioned, and was how I initially planned my device. I decided against the design as I do not want an external prime mover. I found that the magnet and coil can be mounted together and give better results, and further simplifies the machine.

In my replication, the device is its own prime mover with the lenzless generator being secondary. The cool thing is how the generator assists the prime mover when its loaded.

I like to think of this as a positive twist on the Kromrey.

Regards

OK Erfinder,
Now you HAVE to show pictures! LOL

Dave

Work in progress....

You have no choice but to wait!

I don't show my work till its finished! I will make this one exception so that you know I'm serious. I will not post any more images till the device is complete, and tested.

This is all there is for the moment.

Regards

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Very nice I'll wait

Thanks
Vtech

This would be a great solution for those just getting started.

You don't even want to imagine my build, flower pots ,speaker magnets, and old car fans

Matt,..you said something about putting the charge in the battery when its' off or when it's just being connected...?

That Eklin Brown only does 4 hits per rev...
My pmg is not the normal design....I get a couple 100 per rev..

I just need to know how often I should hit the batteries ,and at what values

Good stuff............shylo

Ya but your not understanding my point. If you put load on a generator like yours it slows down. The EB does not. And it can have as many poles as you want it too.
But then again I really don't know what you have built. Maybe your gen does not load down.

Matt

Does anyone see any similarities?

Aviso self charging motor 1 of 6 " BREAKTHROUGH " - YouTube

Ismeal Aviso self charging electric car

Links to the rest of the videos in the series.

Aviso self charging motor 2 of 6 How I found problem & solved it - YouTube

Aviso self charging motor 3 of 6 TESLA Principles ( spark gap) & why is not applicable now MVI 1455 - YouTube

Aviso self charging motor 4 of 6 About IGBT & other power switching modules MVI 1456 - YouTube

Aviso self charging motor 5 of 6 Evgray similarity & advantage MVI_1459.mp4 - YouTube

Aviso Self charging motor 6 of 6 EVgray How it works disadvantages MVI_1466.mp4 - YouTube

Browny,

his comment near the end of video 1 should provide the clues to run
a lockridge?

"just capacitors here and here"!

and I guess, the high current switching using the brush/commutator of the
motor/generator.

Penno

I think the last of the videos does that.

Yeah, this is all going to be huge! I'm currently in a replication process.

You want as low resistance as possible to produce the highest spike as possible. Battery bank (good batteries) charging in parallel/with dead car batteries in series (high voltage potential ONLY) to capture the spike and convert to useable electricity and is charging the good battery bank real fast. Forget about the capacitor......The ultimate solution: Old dead sulfated battery bank in series. Millions of sets of dipoles!!!!!!! Mimic the ground potential.

I am working with the spikes right now , although I only have the weekends to do so...
What I've noticed is the spikes are able to be controlled...that is,.. the spike happens at a certian point in time....thats when you need to catch it.

I believe it all boils down to "for evey action there is an equal and opposite reaction..

Also minimizing the amount of steel in your design helps, mine is mostly plastic.

Too much steel causes too much drag,it increases saturation,stronger flux..
But that increases resistance to rotation...

The loads on the A(accumulator) batteries is what you want to use...

more tests to do, the weekend is here

shylo

When your circuits triggers the action of producing radiant energy, the reaction in the chemicals of the lead-acid battery can be quite dramatic. In terms of output power, John Bedini saw it in his 2.2kw 10 coilers monopole. But in reality, it was outputing this much because of the reaction in the big 1600 amp/h battery bank.

I don't really know Bendini s' work so can't comment..
I'm not sure about radiant energy....read lots about it....but I think it is more like the opposite reaction to what happens..

The 3BGS system shows some peculiar effects .....running loads off of dead batteries, Is worth looking into

shylo

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Joh...Technology.pdf
Energie Gratis EFTV1

So, what I see in this first video, is a Tesla Switch with a Resonant Bedini Inverted Cap Pulser. The high voltage of the series batteries, is seen on all of the positives of the parallel bank that occupies position 3 of the Tesla Switch.

This puts an asymmetrical stress between the positive and negative poles of the parallel battery bank. See that? Now, the negative side is the convergent side and acts like a vacuum because the parallel batteries desperately want to attain a balanced charge between the terminals. This is the ambient stressed in the battery and as Tesla said, it is kinetic.

So, having said all that, on the first pulse the cap is charged up and I believe Aviso does a double pulse that super charges the capacitor. John does this too on the 13' Bedini Ferris Wheel with the setup that sits around the axle that causes the polarity of the magnets to reverse and pull the wheel over to the next position where this happens again.

Once the connection is made from the cap through the motor to the negative terminals of the parallel bank, due to the highly assymetrical stress placed between the terminals of the parallel battery bank, the energy stored in the cap is literally sucked into the batteries, by way of the motor. This gives the motor massive amounts of torque which gives it the ability to trump the lenz seen in the motor-coupled generator that is running the 1KW load. This energy impulse ends up in the parrallel battery stack, charging it. You lose little of the energy in the series stack, because the capacitor is acting to decouple DC. Its an AC signal (the pulsing), that is charging the capacitor. So scarcely any current is getting out of the series stack...

So, a quick pulse charges the cap, the second super charges it (due to the short pulse width, the cap does not have time to discharge and is driven higher in charge because now its starting at the charged voltage attained in the first pulse - which is already much higher than the batteries, and is driven higher still) and then its released through the motor into the parallel bank where it is absorbed to charge the parallel bank. Its better to give the capacitor bank a discharge path through the negative side of the batteries because that side is convergent, so you don't have the incoming positive energy fighting the already present positive energy. That means it has to force its way in whereas on the negative side, it is literally sucked into the batteries as if relieving a vacuum.

You CANNOT discount the ambient flux field we are all living in. Its drawn into the dielectric by the electrostatic charges on the plates in a cap and is drawn into the electrolyte as the ions move backwards in the batteries. They work in tandem - the electrostatic charges and the flux fields in my opinion...

So basically Aviso has greatly scaled up an inverted cap pulser. The windings of the motor also act to transform the energy into more of an impulse due to the slight impedance they provide. They would also, because of that same impedance, provide an amplification of the voltage as well. I'm thinking Aviso's extra coil is resonating with the cap bank prolonging the discharge and lessening the charge-up recovery time of the cap bank...

So what starts out as an electrostatic event, becomes a lower voltage impulse discharge across the motor into the parallel battery bank charging it up. The motor is run for free... I guess this is why Aviso also wants both banks to be the same number of batteries... Maybe its so he can swap their roles occasionally as needed. With an inverted cap pulser you can swap the back batteries with the front-end batteries.

Anyways, that's my opinion judging from what I see in the first video... still need to watch the rest of them... A current probe on an oscilloscope would be real handy in analyzing this circuit...

Cheers,

Luther

I see the same setup as this thread, OK I am simplifying things but lets look at it.

1) The Tesla switch style battery setup

2) The pulsing unit, although it probably works in a different way to Matt's it does the same job.

3) The motor to provide a means of generation from the unused current that has passed through the pulsing unit.

Then we have additional capacitors to reduce the effect of the spikes killing the semiconductor switches either side of the motor and switching unit.

In the rest of the videos we see how he was working to improve the tolerance of semiconductors to this type of pulsing and the last two videos I think are very significant. Is he is effectively using the current twice through the motor before it is finally dumped into the charging batteries?

I believe his pulsing unit is attached to his antenna coil so I will describe what I think could be happening in a simplified way.

The current flows from the source and is pulsed into the antenna coil, then it flows through the motor to a capacitor bank, the inductive kickback is sent to the capacitors on the source and probably the source batteries. The current stored in the capacitor is then pulsed again through the antenna coil and motor, finally reaching the charging battery bank. Again the inductive kickback is sent to the capacitors on the source and source batteries.

As in most systems, losses will consume a huge amount of energy but will that double spike be enough to maintain the source battery charge? or at least reduce its discharge rate to a point where it can be made up by what is in the charging battery bank? Passing the current through the motor twice is likely to give the motor more power than what is drained from the source, so if its efficiency is high enough, a generator could possibly generate more than enough to make the system self sustaining. Then we have the current in the charging batteries to add to it as well.

I really do believe Aviso has a self sustaining system but as he states in the video he has had problems making it reliable. I also believe that the general method of operation Includes the three battery generating system. It is also possible that the motor antenna and capacitor bank is the Lockridge system.

Food for thought there guys

Just wanted to insert a brief reminder.

My original system ran with just three batteries and a motor, and produced far more power than could possibly have come out of two charged batteries. This I know for a fact.

Regardless of which direction our research takes us, and I want to thank everyone who has contributed here, I will always have a version of my original system running that I test things on to try and duplicate the results of that original system. I know it wasn't the specific motor, because we used two different motors, which leaves the third battery and the size and length of wires as variables. I may very well NEVER be able to replicate the original, but that doesn't mean I am ever going to stop trying. It was basic, easy to build, and it worked.

All the other ideas that are introduced here are really different versions from the original, which is ok too, as there are some great ideas here to explore, but I will never lose sight of that original build, and I hope a few of you will also set aside an original setup to try different bad batteries on so that some day someone will come upon an exact replication that we can analyze and further replicate.

I will also be building lots of these other ideas, as they are awesome, but I will ALWAYS be trying to replicate the original too.

Dave

Turion

It's strange that I never asked about it before. I don't know why, hmm.
Basic question. Do you have pictures of your ORIGINAL device/circuit ? Maybe we extract some information from them which was unnoticed during those years of replication attempts. I mean : pictures of original device taken at times when it was running in "overunity mode". If you posted them previously then please forgive me , I missed that post probably.

I have a bunch. I may even have video on my old camera. I will check.
May take me a while. I have several computers and several external gigabite hard drives, but they are in a named folder which will make searching easier if I can remember the name. It sure wasn't 3BGS!!
Dave

Here I have found two pictures : Directoryavid Bowling's Continuous Charging Device - PESWiki
Are they taken from original setup ?

Did you try to replicate exactly how it was mounted in original device ? I mean I t seems strange why motor was at lower place then the second gear.Also every battery TOUCHED each other,hmm..... looking for more pictures...