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Old 03-13-2019, 03:12 PM
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A word of caution

On my original rotor I had a half inch thick piece of Delrin with 1/4 inch magnets on each side with just a bit of rotor material in between them. This means the magnets stuck out a bit on each side. Not far, but they still stuck out. Because of the close tolerances of my machine, one or more of those magnets came around and hit something at 3200 rpm and the rotor literally exploded. One magnet went right through the front of my computer and lodged inside where a couple members of this forum who were visiting found it. Another went through my keyboard and I am still finding pieces of keys from that. I am very lucky to still have all my teeth as one two inch magnet shot past my head. I still have holes in my ceiling and there are magnets I haven’t found yet. Possibly they are up in the attic.

I went to thicker magnets and a thicker rotor and now NO part of the magnet extends beyond the surface of the rotor. But needless to say, I am now a little gun shy about even running that machine. I have definitely increased safety measures including boxing it in so nothing flies out.

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Hi Aaron,

thanks for the details and pics. If I understand it correctly he had 48Ah on the front and a total of 96 Ah in the back, half of which (the 48 Ah tractor batt) he kept swapping with the front. If he was running the front at the C20 rate, the input should have been in the 2.4A range.
Do you know at how many amps he was running it? I'm just trying to get the relations of the system.

I have a few hi amp, fast switching mosfets that are 7 milliohms each, do you think 2 or 3 three in parallel could equal the mechanic switch?

I think it's interesting to look at these details, I mean, after all these were his advancements from his early 3 battery and Tesla switch systems, right?

Would be nice to have a similar setup with the machine running at the C20 of the input battery and get a battery bank, double the size of the first, charged up. Even better would be to have the input also at 96 Ah, but still run the machine at a C20 of a 48 Ah battery. You would end up with a machine where you simply swap the two batteries, but half of the input battery (equal to 48 Ah of 96) runs a load...constantly...

Dave, I don't want to distract from your setup so just shout if you think it's not in line with the thread topic.

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Mario,


No, on the front was a single garden starter battery - those things are ballpark around maybe 12ah. Being starter batteries, they of course don't have an amp hour rating, but ballpark can divide the CCA by 10 and that will give a ballpark. But over all the time using those things, they seem to be around a 12ah just from experience. That was the only thing on the front.



On the back, it was the 4 x 12v strings of those Korean war batteries that were constants. Those were ballpark around 12ah each for 48ah + another garden starter battery on the back at 12ah for 60ah total.



12 on front and 60 on back.



Korean war batteries stayed on the back and never got swapped. Just the garden starter batteries on front and back were swapped back and forth.


That's around 7-8 watts draw from the front battery at c20 but again a starter battery so the numbers don't exactly work out but close enough for ballpark estimates. The machine probably drew more. With one coil on either side of the rotor - I don't know. I'll measure the draw when I have time. A single coil SG with 7-8 power windings and a trigger draws around 20 watts ballpark. It's probably not too far from that for both coils on either side of the rotor.



There are ways to mimick the mechanical switch - Paul Babcock's switching circuit is probably the best ever designed, but no, use mechanical. There is something to the mechanical that allows for some extra radiant gains that I don't think can be had with solid state. If you have the Advanced SG book, the details on that switch are given.


Yes, the 3 battery / Tesla Switch type systems came way before this specific mechanical switch cap dump method I believe. I don't know if I'd look at it in terms of an evolution of what he was looking at - he just wanted to explore all methods possible.



We can dedicate another thread to this machine. I only brought it up because IF the constant batteries are something that can be used in the 3 battery system, even on the front end, it might be something that has benefit - I don't know.
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We can dedicate another thread to this machine. I only brought it up because IF the constant batteries are something that can be used in the 3 battery system, even on the front end, it might be something that has benefit - I don't know.
Aaron, I created a thread here:

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IAMNUTS & BISTANDER -

Both of you appear to either be willfully ignorant or are simply dedicated to spreading propaganda against that which is true.

Let's take Jim Murray's SERPS example - besides the COP 50.0 demo shown at my conference, it was done in a way that cannot be disputed. With a measured amount of gasoline on a gasoline/generator set, it powered 1000-1500 watts of bulbs yet it ran just as long as it did if it was idling with no load at all. How?

If you can muster all the focus and mind power at your disposal to see a tiny little concept, you just may comprehend something that flushes all your nonsensical beliefs down the drain.

As the electricity from the generator leaves and powers a resistive load, the load of bulbs or heating elements are powered to create heat or light or both - then what remains is captured on the back side of the load in capacitors and is then sent back through the load powering the load twice with the same electricity and that electricity is stepped up in voltage as it is delivered back to the generator. What does that do???

The first thing to get through your heads is the fact that electricity is not "consumed" when it powers the load - otherwise, there is nothing to capture in the capacitors on the backside of the load and we know there is. Even conventional science has demonstrated that fact . I posted an article on that peer-reviewed paper quite a while back.

With the SERPS - the circuit turns the generator into a motor with the stepped up voltage causing it to unload the motor so every other quarter of the AC sinewave, the motor has a load and every other cycle the motor is motored by the generator negating the load. So if the generator is generating 50% of the time and is motoring 50% of the time, there is no net load on the generator while 1000-15000 watts of bulbs are being lit up - yet, the motor is idling that is turning the generator. That is one of many methods of unloading a generator so that it can produce electricity so the prime mover doesn't see the load. Turion shared another.

What other ways can we negate the load that the prime mover sees when it turns a generator that is powering something? With SERPS, it over-voltages the generator so that it is a periodic motor, which in turn unloads the motor turning it. It takes but only a bit of common sense to understand that concept. It's not theoretical - it works in spite of your beliefs in the conservation of energy, etc.

The conservation of energy concept is a distraction for fools as it has no relation to reality. When work is done in an electrical, chemical, mechanical or other system, 100% of the potential that was used to do work is dissipated back into the environment. NOTHING is conserved. The only thing that happened in a cyclic system such as the 3 battery system with a PULSED motor is that a NEW potential difference is created for fresh new potential to enter to do more work. NONE of the new work was done by anything that was erroneously believed to be conserved, it was done by establishing a new potential difference or dipole so that NEW, FRESH potential comes into the system to do more work.

The idea of conservation of energy is nothing more than a brainwashing mechanism to distract people from understanding there is infinite potential available at any two points of potential difference form the aether. A belief in conservation of energy makes the reality of infinite available potential unnecessary and that is the only purpose it serves - a subversive, propaganda tool so nobody ever sees that you don't have to conserve anything when there is potential available at any two points of charge separation that is freely available from space itself.

If you lift an object, you are NOT storing any potential in the object at a certain height. 100% of everything you used to lift the object is dissipated back to the ambient background environment at the peak of the lift. You CANNOT store anything you just used up!!! You only created a new potential difference between the object and another point of reference - the ground for example. It is said that you get out of it what you put in - that is just ignorance. What you get out of the lift of an object is the lift of the object in and of itself - what work is done afterward is SEPARATE from what you expended to lift it!!

MGH (mass x gravity x height) does NOT tell you how much potential energy is stored in the object. MGH only tells you how much potential energy that the dynamic and moving downward flowing non-static gravitational potential will be realized when the object can be released to fall to the ground. Then when it hits, it will be equal to the work used to lift it. You put in 1 part then external non-conserved FRESH NEW gravitational potential supplies the input to do an equivalent amount of work. You put in 1, gravity puts in 1 so you have 2 units of work that are measurable with 2nd grade mathematics and 7th grade equations that shows a 200% gain in total work input to the system. Why?

Because there is no such thing as conservation of energy. It doesn't exist, never has, doesn't and never will. In EVERY cyclic system, energy is dissipated on one cycle and 100% is dissipated back to the environment and a NEW potential difference is established. Then NEW, FRESH potential enters because of the NEW potential difference to do more work. NONE of that work in the 2nd cycle comes from the original input - meaning, nothing was conserved.

Newton's Cradle is the perfect example of violating conservation of energy and conservation of momentum. You lift one ball on one end and let go, it hits with a certain amount of loss - the remainder lifts the ball on the other end and that is where your input energy is 100% terminated and where the momentum from your input is 100% terminated as well! All you did was establish a NEW potential difference so that gravity comes in, pushes on the ball down and it hits another ball with some loss and the other end a ball goes up where 100% of that energy and momentum is 100% extinguished! No conservation of momentum or energy is demonstrated - it is the exact opposite!!!

That does't mean automatically that Newton's Cradle is a free energy device - instead, what it does mean and what it clearly demonstrates for those who have eyes to see is that there is no conservation of energy or momentum and on EACH CYCLE, NEW potential enters to do more work meaning that conservation principles are not only unnecessary but are completely ludicrous. It only serves to hide the FACT that free, unlimited potential is available at any point and it can be tapped at any two points of potential difference to do work.

The work done in a cyclic system after the initial input is related to our input, but is NOT directly proportional to it so the output can absolutely exceed the input. Anyone that says otherwise is a liar, con and ignoramus. RELATED BUT NOT DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL!!!
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Hi Turion,

I'm casting some cores for testing and I recall you saying you have obtained the ferrite for your own cores.

I have a source for inexpensive high grade iron powder here in the US but am having difficulty finding the ferrite powder.

Can you help a fellow out and point me in the right direction please?

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Old 03-19-2019, 07:41 PM
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Matt sent me some for testing that he has a source for.

I found some on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Iron-Ox...ateway&sr=8-10

I haven't tested EITHER one yet.
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Thanks for the link.

So far, the companies that manufacture soft ferrites seem unwilling to sell to individuals in small quantities.

I had looked at this Fe304 earlier and discarded it as a candidate because its magnetite.

Maybe it deserves a closer look. Perhaps when its mixed with a resin and cast, the particles will be electrically insulated and behave like a soft ferrite?

Its worth a try, the cost is certainly low enough.

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One of the BEST mechanical switches I have ever made was as a result of my work with Matt on his "Simple Motor". He used a set of automobile points opened by a cam on the end of the shaft. I found that this took too much work, so when Bob French and I began to do a replication of the simple motor a year or so ago we removed the spring from the points, and used a magnet on the rotor to repulse a magnet glued to the points, closing them to make contact. The virtual south on the rotor between the timing magnets will immediately open them back up. Almost any set of auto points can be used to do this and very, very small neo magnets. Auto points are set up to accept that spark without wearing out quickly, and there is a beautiful blue spark when you have the machine running correctly.

Bob French actually has a video of the switch working, but it is his video, so I hesitate to post links to someone else's stuff.
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Matt sent me some for testing that he has a source for.

I found some on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Iron-Ox...ateway&sr=8-10

I haven't tested EITHER one yet.
Finally found a good source that sells high quality, high purity iron in small quantities at a reasonable price and thought I would pass it on here in case anyone is interested.

Chemical Store Inc.

Iron Powder -- 5 Lbs, -- $29.00
Soft Magnetic Iron Powder -- 5 Lbs. -- $45.00


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Iron Powder is under I
Soft Magnetic Iron Powder is under S

IRON100 Iron Powder
High purity, hydrogen reduced, highly reactive, high surface area, fine iron powder for chemical reactions, magnetism experiments and making magnetic paints. All particles are 150 micron or smaller.
Apparent Density 2.52 g/cm3
Flow rate 29.00 sec/50g

Chemical Analysis (wt %)
C 0.030
O 0.20
S 0.006
P 0.025
Mn 0.008
Cr 0.05
Ni 0.05
Si 0.03
Cu 0.02
Mo 0.003
Fe 99.5+

SM1001 Soft Iron Powder
Ultra pure soft-magnetic iron powder used to manufacture electromagnet cores, transformer cores and other soft magnetic P/M parts that require high magnetic permeability, high induced magnetization and low coercive force. Apparent density is about 2.92, purity is more than 99%, U.S. Mesh size = about 100.

Typical Chemical Analysis:
Fe 99.4
Mn 0.04
S 0.009
O 0.06
C 0.00

Manufactured by Iron Powders of North America. Iron-Powder.com
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Thanks for Bob French's video Dave, very nice video. I will try doing this with a 12v doorbell I have in my workshop.
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If anyone is interested to see how I did mechanical switching (true I built it for 3 phase coil shorting, but there were other iterations for cap dump and cap / battery removal and reinstertion ), I have a comprehensive bench detailing the parts and procedure here:
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If there is anyone out there actually building the generator I have discussed here, I have some additional info that will eliminate the overheating of the coil cores that I have discussed here. Lengthen the cores beyond the coil by 1 and submerse the end of the coil in water. This can be done by cutting a hole in the lid of any small plastic container with a screw on lid and using a hot glue gun to secure the core in the hole created in the lid. Fill the container with water and screw it onto the lid. Problem solved.
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If there is anyone out there actually building the generator I have discussed here, I have some additional info that will eliminate the overheating of the coil cores that I have discussed here. Lengthen the cores beyond the coil by 1 and submerse the end of the coil in water. This can be done by cutting a hole in the lid of any small plastic container with a screw on lid and using a hot glue gun to secure the core in the hole created in the lid. Fill the container with water and screw it onto the lid. Problem solved.
Interesting idea Dave, have you been experimenting with the idea? I may have to give it a try to see how long it takes to heat the water up.
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I tried several things attached to the core to try and absorb the heat. I tried this without lengthening the coil core and it seemed to work, but leaked like crazy. I do NOT know for sure how the longer core will affect coil output or the heat issue, but the water, and the fact that the bottle of water is also surrounded by air seemed to negate the heat issue completely. A death in the family has kept me out of town for the last week, but while I was gone my mom totally organized my shop, so when I get home I will be able to get back to work on this at least a little in the evenings now that I have some bench space to actually put a machine together again. It may take me a couple weeks as I have to wind an entire NEW set of coils as I melted the last set, but as I assemble this thing I am going to put together a set of instructional videos.

I have been talking with Bob French and we are considering putting together a small three coil prototype unit that we will use to demonstrate how all these principles work and that they DO work, and then find someone with a 3D printer who can make a “kit” for those who are interested. We have NO interest in getting into marketing anything to anybody. No TIME. But when we prove it all works, maybe someone will step up. We figure we may be able to produce power AND heat water with a properly built machine.

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Interesting idea Dave, have you been experimenting with the idea? I may have to give it a try to see how long it takes to heat the water up.
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I tried several things attached to the core to try and absorb the heat. I tried this without lengthening the coil core and it seemed to work, but leaked like crazy. I do NOT know for sure how the longer core will affect coil output or the heat issue, but the water, and the fact that the bottle of water is also surrounded by air seemed to negate the heat issue completely. A death in the family has kept me out of town for the last week, but while I was gone my mom totally organized my shop, so when I get home I will be able to get back to work on this at least a little in the evenings now that I have some bench space to actually put a machine together again. It may take me a couple weeks as I have to wind an entire NEW set of coils as I melted the last set, but as I assemble this thing I am going to put together a set of instructional videos.

I have been talking with Bob French and we are considering putting together a small three coil prototype unit that we will use to demonstrate how all these principles work and that they DO work, and then find someone with a 3D printer who can make a kit for those who are interested. We have NO interest in getting into marketing anything to anybody. No TIME. But when we prove it all works, maybe someone will step up. We figure we may be able to produce power AND heat water with a properly built machine.
Sorry for your loss


As for the coil cooling Sounds good, I hope you're able to make a few bucks in the process.
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I have no plans or even a desire to make $$ off the generator. It is there for everyone to build and benefit from. Or not. I have done MY part. What people choose to do or NOT do with it is up to them. I do intend to show a working unit over the next couple months as time allows, with measurements to put to rest all the BS I have put up with on this forum.
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Hi Dave,
Good idea for the plastic container. I 've just burned a spool today when testing a coil. Fortunately not the wire. Been testing only few last weeks with lots of time on fixing, rearranging, trying to secure and fixing again. A lot of work on mechanic part. Tried few different things with the negating magnets but could not find the right spot. Maybe i will try with much smaller magnets.
I use just a fat bolt for core on the coil for start, just learning swimming, and today I used the same bolt but more than double the size. Did not seem to diminish the output. But this is based on my original tests that had been made with bolt 1/2 longer than the coil already.
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I tried several things attached to the core to try and absorb the heat. I tried this without lengthening the coil core and it seemed to work, but leaked like crazy. I do NOT know for sure how the longer core will affect coil output or the heat issue, but the water, and the fact that the bottle of water is also surrounded by air seemed to negate the heat issue completely. A death in the family has kept me out of town for the last week, but while I was gone my mom totally organized my shop, so when I get home I will be able to get back to work on this at least a little in the evenings now that I have some bench space to actually put a machine together again. It may take me a couple weeks as I have to wind an entire NEW set of coils as I melted the last set, but as I assemble this thing I am going to put together a set of instructional videos.

I have been talking with Bob French and we are considering putting together a small three coil prototype unit that we will use to demonstrate how all these principles work and that they DO work, and then find someone with a 3D printer who can make a “kit” for those who are interested. We have NO interest in getting into marketing anything to anybody. No TIME. But when we prove it all works, maybe someone will step up. We figure we may be able to produce power AND heat water with a properly built machine.
Turion,
I've got the rotor still. Not done any shop work in months.

I would be interested in a kit.
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Hey Dave, I'm always available to help with CAD, printing or CNC if needed. Contact me anytime buddy.
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Bob was going to call you a week ago. I told him I was going to call you just to get caught up, but then my daughter lost her baby and I had to go out of town. Probably first of the week I will give you a call. Bob has been drawing everything up. I just don’t have any time.
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Wantomake,
I remember sending you a rotor. But I have sent so much stuff to so many different people I dont remember if I sent you the magnets you need. If not, let me know. I think I might have some lying around. Ive gone to 12 magnets on the rotor instead of six, and smaller, thicker magnets.

I have probably said this before, but I have a separate machine that holds a single coil and I can switch out the coil and rotor on it for testing. With six 2x 1/4 magnets on the rotor I get X output. When I went to 1 x 1/4 magnets I got 75% of X. But since I could put twice as many of them on the rotor my total output was 150% of X. Then I increased the thickness of the magnets to 1/2 and my output went up over 200% of X.

Now this is just data running ONE coil, but if it works out to be the same kind of output for ALL the coils, I will be very happy, since all the info about generator output I have given on this thread was for the machine with 12 coils and six of the 2x 1/4 magnets.

The machine I am putting back together is only a TEN coil machine, not 12, so it will not have as many coils to produce power, but my hope is that because I have gone to the smaller thicker magnets that I can get more of on a rotor, the output will be the same or MORE than what the bigger machine was getting.
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Bob was going to call you a week ago. I told him I was going to call you just to get caught up, but then my daughter lost her baby and I had to go out of town. Probably first of the week I will give you a call. Bob has been drawing everything up. I just dont have any time.
I'm hoping she's ok. And sorry for your loss.

Yes you sent me the big magnets. The using thicker ones is interesting.

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Just a bit more info. Two of the two inch by 1/4 inch thick magnets stacked does NOT have the same magnetic field affect on the coil as ONE two inch by 1/2 inch thick magnet. just so you know,
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So, which option is better? Stacked magnets or one but thicker?

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I thought I made that clear. Reading it I clearly see all I said was the effect is different. Duh. One that is thicker is better than two stacked that equal thickness of the bigger one.
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Hey just got a CR10S and would love to work it. PLA and PETG

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Just a bit more info. Two of the two inch by 1/4 inch thick magnets stacked does NOT have the same magnetic field affect on the coil as ONE two inch by 1/2 inch thick magnet. just so you know,
So two magnets back to back has different flux fields than one single magnet? I'm not trying to discuss magnetism here from lack of experience on my part. But I can see how smaller diameter mags could be used on a rotor and be secured in place.

I really enjoy the evolution of this generator as you share that story here.

Thanks for your time and sharing this journey with me,
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Yes. One thick one is better than two thin ones
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Time for Wine and Wind

Finally had some time today. No bench space, but the top of my table saw was available. These are 11 lb spoils of # 23. I will wind 8!strands each 127 feet long onto a spool. When I have 3 of those spools wound, that will give me 24 strands and I can wind all 24 onto a single spool.

Will shoot a little video of my coil winder and post it in a bit.
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