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Old 11-30-2018, 05:12 AM
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Scope?

Yes. Several hundred times. I have done hundreds and hundreds of tests on this system. I know what it is capable of and WHY. This is just a toy to get people to see that these principles are real. Build it or don't. I don't really care.
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Old 11-30-2018, 08:54 AM
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Hi ricards,

Yes, here I am. I built Turion's 1bgs and never got any decent answers. So when I saw some talk of balance, I was curious enough to ask. Then just wanted citfta's opinion on something.

Pulse current in this case is due the modification which Matt does in the motor. This mod shifts commutation to a point where the armature coils actually cross over to opposite polarity field magnets. For a short time (pulse duration) the motor operates as a generator with reverse current. Supposedly this reverse current pulse travels back to the source battery giving it a charge pulse, which I don't argue about. Gotoluc and I think tinman did video experiments with scopes to demonstrate this. I'll paste it below. My whole question here was about this negative pulse being blocked by the boost converter. Motivation stems from being skewered for not using a Matt modded motor in my 1bgs when I don't think it would have made any difference anyway.

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bi,

I think you're being rejected and booted off because you insist that you know better yet you have only tried once.

what are your intentions anyway?. are you here to look at this closely or discredit this?. or just killing time?

what exactly are you trying to point?.
maybe I can answer in a way that can satisfy you.
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Old 11-30-2018, 02:56 PM
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Wrong

You did not build “Turion’s” 3BGS, because you did not use a modified Razor Scooter motor in your build. I went through a detailed explanation of HOW we came to realize the importance of that motor in the circuit and discussed your chances of success without it. I stated that without it the system HAD to be tuned and even THEN it is a hit and miss prospect.

So your “claim” to have replicated The 3BGS is an outright lie. You might as well claim to have built a flying saucer.

Now with a stock off the shelf motor you MAY be able to get it to work if you tune the system, and I have posted instructions for that, but no promises.
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Old 11-30-2018, 05:08 PM
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You did not build “Turion’s” 3BGS, because you did not use a modified Razor Scooter motor in your build. I went through a detailed explanation of HOW we came to realize the importance of that motor in the circuit and discussed your chances of success without it. I stated that without it the system HAD to be tuned and even THEN it is a hit and miss prospect.

So your “claim” to have replicated The 3BGS is an outright lie. You might as well claim to have built a flying saucer.

Now with a stock off the shelf motor you MAY be able to get it to work if you tune the system, and I have posted instructions for that, but no promises.
I have never said I built a 3bgs, just the single battery 1bgs.

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Old 11-30-2018, 07:30 PM
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You are NEVER going to get it are you?

Bi.
No, you did NOT build the single battery circuit as you claim. If you did not use a Matt motor you didn’t REPLICATE anything. Period. You got no results because you DID NOT REPLICATE what we designed. If I say it ten more times will it sink in? Didn’t think so. Your results are WORTHLESS, therefore your opinions and conclusions are WORTHLESS because they are based on faulty data. If you are not going to build it correctly please DISCONTINUE posting on this thread as you have NOTHING to contribute. There are plenty of other threads you can join and not build the proper circuit. I’m sure they would welcome your half/assed build and subsequent data and observations and conclusions with open arms. I do not. I welcome ANYONE who has built the proper circuit and will bust my butt to help them get it to the point where they are seeing PROPER results. You I have NO patience with. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada
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Old 12-01-2018, 01:27 PM
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Saturday thoughts

7:45 am with heavy rain a cup of hot java to kick the brains and this thread to just sit, think and hope.

Turion I can't finish the upright Lenz free generator until early next year. I want to use something as a generator until then. Don't think the single battery circuit will produce without a lenzless generator.

Just wondering if anyone has had any attempts with other types generators? I do have several I could try.

Want to hear some ideas from any "builder" or thinking to build.

Thanks and time to nuke the ole coffee.
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Old 12-01-2018, 02:56 PM
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Wantomake,
Doesn’t sound like it’s a time issue completing the generator, so it must be a finance issue, which means a parts issue. Let me know what you need and I may already have it. I’m trying to reduce my inventory as I move stuff to the new house.
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Old 12-01-2018, 05:40 PM
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This is exactly what I said in post #4359. Guess I need to draw a picture. And this is how Matt has described the charge pulse from his modded motor. The blue arrows represent the intended path of the charge pulse current from the Matt modded motor back to the source battery. However there is a diode inside the boost converter which blocks current in this direction.
So you seen all the movies in which the power supply caps rise from the return current. Thats the same thing that happens to the boost converter. The cap loads up beyond the nominal voltage. While thats happening the controller will limit the duty cycle and the amount of current flowing out.
The amount of power returned to the cap is marginal at best because of the hysteresis in the iron. Also, the cause of the heat.

The arrows are technically wrong but at the same time the same effective action is happening, the battery is just distributing less power.

Its not hard to see if you put a scope on it. And not just selectively before you film.

I do not understand the on going insistence to keep doubting everything, but then again thats why I am not making attempt to have an ongoing threads. Most of you are too broke or too scared to step outside of your comfort and try anything.

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Old 12-01-2018, 06:22 PM
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So you seen all the movies in which the power supply caps rise from the return current. Thats the same thing that happens to the boost converter. The cap loads up beyond the nominal voltage. While thats happening the controller will limit the duty cycle and the amount of current flowing out.
The amount of power returned to the cap is marginal at best because of the hysteresis in the iron. Also, the cause of the heat.
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Thank you Matt,

This is what I've been talking about. The current pulse never reaches the source battery due to the presence of the boost converter. Hence my question: Why did I need to use your modded motor in the 1bgs system which I built and tested?

Like you told me here.

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@BI ... Thats modified motor which you have no experience with at 24 volt runs about 1.5 amp no load. The jumpy current is because the motor discharges back to source, a good portion of we put in it and the BEMF. ...
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:20 PM
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7:45 am with heavy rain a cup of hot java to kick the brains and this thread to just sit, think and hope.

Turion I can't finish the upright Lenz free generator until early next year. I want to use something as a generator until then. Don't think the single battery circuit will produce without a lenzless generator.

Just wondering if anyone has had any attempts with other types generators? I do have several I could try.

Want to hear some ideas from any "builder" or thinking to build.

Thanks and time to nuke the ole coffee.
wantomake
Hi James, I am working on a permanent magnet motor / generator very much similar to the South-African developer's version described here:

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/SChapter6.pdf

Apparently, the generation effects sought for are achievable without using a magnet rotor, but I was planning on using one anyway so that I could visually see whats happening. At the moment, however, I AM too broke to do anything - waiting on enough funds to afford super glue to keep those magnet bullets in place.

Recently had enough motivation to go through my windmill / solar battery system and throw out about 20 bad batteries. Almost all of them have internal shorts that cause them to heat up and suck all the voltage out of my system.

I did want to experiment with a solenoid motor / generator by converting an old china diesel motor to a one lung solenoid magnet motor. I had wanted to incorporate extreme repelling force of caps charged up to several K.V. then discharged into coils. You can find demos of this tech from Ismael Aviso from the Philippines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxA6fDe3J6c&hl=en&fs=1&">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxA6fDe3J6c&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCsVPmEjyQ&hl=en&fs=1&">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCsVPmEjyQ&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">
and Dimitry from Russia. But I realized that most of the mechanical energy released will be ate up in internal friction of the engine, with not much left over to use to drive a generator.

I don't have any suitable motors to modify for a Matt-motor conversion, or proper voltage dc-dc converters to try the 3bgs system. But I would like to at least achieve some success in one of these systems before I die.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:04 PM
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Wantomake,
Doesn’t sound like it’s a time issue completing the generator, so it must be a finance issue, which means a parts issue. Let me know what you need and I may already have it. I’m trying to reduce my inventory as I move stuff to the new house.
Turion,
You are correct. These are the parts I have:
1 modified Matt motor 1016
1 rotor you sent me with magnets
1 coil wound to specs
1 boost module 10 amp
1 threaded axle with various nuts and such

Of course hardware and such no problem. Mostly the upright vertical holders is the most expensive for this build.

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Old 12-01-2018, 11:19 PM
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Hi James, I am working on a permanent magnet motor / generator very much similar to the South-African developer's version described here:

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/SChapter6.pdf

Apparently, the generation effects sought for are achievable without using a magnet rotor, but I was planning on using one anyway so that I could visually see whats happening. At the moment, however, I AM too broke to do anything - waiting on enough funds to afford super glue to keep those magnet bullets in place.

Recently had enough motivation to go through my windmill / solar battery system and throw out about 20 bad batteries. Almost all of them have internal shorts that cause them to heat up and suck all the voltage out of my system.

I did want to experiment with a solenoid motor / generator by converting an old china diesel motor to a one lung solenoid magnet motor. I had wanted to incorporate extreme repelling force of caps charged up to several K.V. then discharged into coils. You can find demos of this tech from Ismael Aviso from the Philippines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxA6fDe3J6c&hl=en&fs=1&">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxA6fDe3J6c&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCsVPmEjyQ&hl=en&fs=1&">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCsVPmEjyQ&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">
and Dimitry from Russia. But I realized that most of the mechanical energy released will be ate up in internal friction of the engine, with not much left over to use to drive a generator.

I don't have any suitable motors to modify for a Matt-motor conversion, or proper voltage dc-dc converters to try the 3bgs system. But I would like to at least achieve some success in one of these systems before I die.
Ken,
Thanks for the link. I understand about the battery banks for the solar. Strange as this sounds, some of my batteries are over 8 years old. I've used them in the 3BGS setup and that sweet pulsing kept them healthy. As long as I watched and kept electrolytes healthy the batts were good.

As far as the generator goes I'll see what happens with the upright. I also want to do this exactly as specs are posted here to see this baby turn out some power. Power for what you ask....my space ship of course.


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As I’m rewinding another motor, I’m curious if anyone has experimented with more windings. Would more wire help or hinder? Just a thought.
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As I’m rewinding another motor, I’m curious if anyone has experimented with more windings. Would more wire help or hinder? Just a thought.
I did try once a thicker awg wire multiple filar. Motor got very hot. But satisfied my unscientific curiosity. If I remember right Matt did try many different windings before finding best one.

But no harm trying it if teaches something.

Just sitting and watching snow/sleet storm with hot coffee. Let us know if you find anything different.

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