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Old 09-09-2018, 10:45 PM
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There's actually 20 commutator spaces on a 1020 motor so i now have it divided into 3 spaces on and 2 spaces off (x4).

I was saying that I first tried 4 on and 1 off but this caused arcing and problems, and it won't work properly.

When I said 2 spaces resting I mean 2 spaces not connected in every 5 (3 being on) This then happens 4 times for the complete commutator of 20 sections.
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I got ya, your doing the right thing. Was the motor originally 36 volt?

The brushes probably cover more than one segment.

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Old 09-12-2018, 06:17 PM
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Hoping you weather the next few days safely

Gonna be a ruff time indeed..lotsa water too.

will keep you in My thoughts ,and if you need stuff after its over

maybe we can help somehow ?

I truly hope it leaves you unscathed .

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need advice to rewind

hello hi all I need advice to retry the rewinding of my motor, I do not know why the first it does not worked, MATT if you're here i need of help thank you.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:37 AM
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I placed a diode between the boost converter and motor to isolate what happens on the motor side.
These pictures show voltage on both sides of the diode light blue is the motor side. Dark blue is the boost converter side.

The yellow is just a marker to show where where everything is happening throughout a full revolution.

And a pic of my 1020 motor

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Hoping you are safe and not flooded there in NC. Not sure exactly where you live in eastern NC.

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Old 09-17-2018, 11:28 AM
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Hoping you are safe and not flooded there in NC. Not sure exactly where you live in eastern NC.

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Not sure when we will be able to leave the area, like to go to town and stuff, all the bridges are flooded over some as high 4-6 ft higher than hurricane Matthew 2 years ago. One river down the road is 65 ft over flood stage.

And its still raining....!

We got almost 28 inch's yesterday.

Thats life today, brought to you by Carbon....

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These floods really emphasise the need for a generator of some sort for each household. Not much use if the water is waste high but as it drops, power may well still be off for some time. Each home should get a two pole three way switch for the consumer unit in readiness. It may all happen again. Good luck to you all.
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Generator Coil testing part 1

Hi all,
Hope everyone is high and dry, safe and healthy.

While I have been waiting for a couple of MY1016's and an MY1020 to come in, I have run some experiments using stuff I already built.

A little history. I had built a 10 pole window motor with 10 2"x1"x1" N42 neos
N S alternating on an 8" dia 2" thick rotor with a hall triggered sequential bipolar switch. The window coils are each 6 strands of #23 100' in parallel.
I run it with 2 coils in parallel.

Window Motor Front View


Window Motor Rotor and Coils


In all of the coil speed up under load test results I have seen here so far, it
looks like they were done using all N or all S facing magnets on the rotors.
I wanted to test alternating NS magnets and the window motor was perfect
to try this out since it has alternating poles on the rotor.

Objective: to test performance of a C core for a more closed magnetic loop.
Use alternating poles to increase AC amplitude.
Find a rotor speed/frequency that the coil would not drag when shorted and
hopefully speed up under load.

The Generator Coil is a laminated C core (E core with center leg cut out) with
1000 turns of #18 wire. Here are some electrical characteristics of the coil.
DCR= 4.2 ohms
L = 223 mH @ 1kHz
C = 111.5 nF @ 1kHz
R = 24.65 kOhms @ 1kHz

I didn't measure the length of the winding as I was just counting turns but
from tables and calculations, 4.2 Ohms would equate to about 610 feet which would be around 2.9222 lbs of copper.

Laminated C Core


Coil Side View


Coil End View


The coil was from a flux switch generator design of mine that I was building and testing. It was designed for 8 coils and 18 flux bars to reduce cogging
and to produce a 60 HZ output per coil at 200 rpm.


It turned out the rotor was warped so I could not control the gap.
The coil output was not great and I found out why in these new tests.

Continued in next post...
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Generator Coil testing part 2

There were a couple of other reading from the LCR meter
that I took but I don't know what they mean.
Q = 15.2
Greek symbol Theta I think = 86.2 degrees
D = 0.065

Baseline Window motor readings - 12V battery with boost convertor
No coil, 14.2V, 0.4A 885 RPM
With open coil, 14.2V, 0.5A, 865 RPM, open coil voltage 90.2V
Shorted Coil, 14.2V, 0.8A, 825 RPM

Increased input to 25.2V
With open coil, 25.2V, 0.7A, 1575 RPM, open coil voltage 163.6V
Shorted Coil, 25.2V, 0.8A, 825 RPM
Connecting a 60W light bulb would really drag the rotor down and increase amps

Increased input to 37.8V
With open coil, 37.8V, 1.0A, 2362 RPM, open coil voltage 252.7V
Shorted Coil, 37.8V, 1.1A, 2345 RPM

Increased input to 50.4V
With open coil, 50.4V, 1.45A, 3090 RPM, open coil voltage 336.2V
Shorted Coil, 50.4V, 1.5A, 3076 RPM

Increased input to 55V
With open coil, 50.4V, 1.6A, 3350 RPM, open coil voltage 368V
Shorted Coil, 50.4V, 1.6A, 3340 RPM looking promising

Increased input to 60V
With open coil, 60V, 1.8A, 3620 RPM, open coil voltage 400V yikes!!!
Shorted Coil, 60V, 1.8A, 3610 RPM

The boost convertor would not go over 62.5V so I switched to a variac/bridge/cap setup
Increased input to 65V
With open coil, 65V, 1.9A, 3880 RPM, open coil voltage 434V
Shorted Coil, 65V, 1.9A, 3860 RPM

Increased input to 70V
With open coil, 70V, 2.1A, 4155 RPM, open coil voltage 471V
Shorted Coil, 70V, 2.1A, 4150 RPM getting closer

Increased input to 75V
With open coil, 75V, 2.3A, 4368 RPM, open coil voltage 500V
Shorted Coil, 75V, 2.3A, 4365 RPM almost there

Increased input to 80V

BOOM

When the dust cleared, I found it threw a magnet, destroyed most of the coils and broke some of the motor mounts. It really surprised me because
I had run the motor before in excess of 6000 RPM. On closer inspection, one
of the screws holding the magnet restraining straps had broke loose. I didn't
see any damage to my work shed and for the life of me I can't find the magnet.



From the trend, it looks like I would have achieved no speed decrease on
shorting somewhere between 4500 and 5000 RPM but alas I may never know Time to regroup.

I was getting nervous on how high the voltage was getting on that coil.
In hindsight, If I would have wrapped that coil with multiple strands of #18
in parallel, it would have had awesome output on the flux switching generator.

What I was planning on trying next in the generation sense was to put a Matt
stye Tesla switch transformer (2 primary windings and one secondary) I have in
series with the window motor coils with steering diodes on each primary so
the current could only flow in one direction in each primary winding as the bipolar switch changed polarity through the motor coils. With that setup I
could have useful motor torque for an external generator for free while the
output of the transformer could have
made up for the losses in the 3 battery configuration.


I could hook up the bipolar switch to an oscillator to drive the transformer
alone in the 3 battery setup which is what I will probably do because I
haven't decided if I will repair my window motor or not since I have the MY1016's and MY1020 coming. The nice thing about the window motor was
no heat in the coils or transistors. The only heat was in the 2W resistors in
the bipolar switch.

If that transformer doesn't work out, I have a couple of these honking Boyce
Toroids that I can try to do something with. They are Micrometals T650-52
which have an OD of 6.5" and an ID of 3.5" and about 1.5" thick.



When I get the MY1016 and get it rewound, I was thinking about running it
with a Half bipolar switch or an SG circuit controlled by an optical sensor to pulse and send the recovery to battery 3 during the motor on times similar to
what Joseph Newman was doing with his motor with the commutator. That
would also control input current of the MY1016.

Well, that is all I have to report at this time and will be out of town on
business most of next week. Hopefully the scooter motors will be here when I get back home.

Cheers all,
Alex
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Wow Alex! Impressive material.

Lucky you still could write this message, and were not killed by your own hobby.. It's either your wife or your hobby that kills you in the end, right?

In my case it's my wife slowing me down on my projects ('can you do the dishes honey?'...).

Sofar I collected two 12 V used car-batteries and two 12 V lead-acid gel batteries of an electric skateboard. The car-batteries are 45 Ah and 55 Ah and the 2 skateboard batteries are 12 Ah each. I plan to connect the 2 car-batteries in series and connect the two board-batteries as the third battery but not in series, but connect the minus-pole to the minus-pole of the second car-battery.
Have some old 12v DC motors lying around here from electric powertools and will start experimenting. Like this thread very, very much. Thank you Matthew and Dave!
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Am trying to figure out which of these motors have the 4 brush pattern. It it the MY1020? I have a couple of the Razor but both are 2 brush type. Thanks.

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Old 10-01-2018, 05:21 AM
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MY1916 and NY1020 both do. I have several of both.
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MY1916 and NY1020 both do. I have several of both.
Sure hope you meant (M)Y1020 ordered 2 of the 750's for my project. Should be enough getty up go. Many thanks for sure T.

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Yes MY1020

Must have had too much beer.
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hello Turion how are you, i have problem with my motor ,after rewinding my motor, it does not turn well and it heats too, thank you for help.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:15 PM
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Re: problem with motor

Hi Sunlight,
Review these posts: 4186, 4188, 4192, 4193, 4195

Make sure it is wound like in the pictures and in Matt's videos.
Adjust the timing by rotating the back plate to get the highest RPM with the lowest current draw. That will also reduce some of the heat.

Alex
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hello hherby thank for your help i will try and let you know

best regard SUN
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I think it is appropriate that my contributions on this forum kind of end on the same thread they began. I just donít have the time to post MUCH anymore with all that is going on in life.

It is also appropriate that my search for free energy, which started on this thread, led down all kinds of different paths in different directions, investigating different ideas, inventors and inventions, but Finally led back to THIS thread which opened the door I was looking for.

So here you go...


The key to free energy is two things.
1. Never run a load unless it is between two potentials.
2. Use the energy to create more energy. Example: Using the motor running between the positives to turn a generator.

Thatís all you get, because thatís all there IS. Scale it up. Run your car or your house or your city. Up to you. We know what it can do. But remember this. Iím gonna come back some day with all kinds of **** and rub some noses in it. Or Matt will. Probably Matt. Heís way better at that stuff than I am.
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Old 10-20-2018, 01:54 AM
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I think it is appropriate that my contributions on this forum kind of end on the same thread they began. ...

Iím gonna come back some day with all kinds of **** and rub some noses in it. ...
Mr. Turion,

Yeah, right. You never demonstrated a single joule of free energy. All there ever was: talk, misconceptions about physics and useless junk. My nose will be waiting. Rub away.

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Old 10-20-2018, 05:06 AM
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Oh, I've demonstrated excess energy TONS of times. Just not to YOU.
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Famous.

Oh Turion, if you really could demonstrate successfully you'd be a
famous name, these days, in miutes.
Just look at Fleischmann. and Pons. Back then it was world headlines,
just look how communications have progressed since their days!
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Iamnuts,
I could care less about fame. What I care about is results.

What people like bi really mean is THEY have nothing to show for all MY hard work or Matt's hard work. Does magnetic neutralization work? The patent on that is over 150 years old. Can generator coils speed up the motor when they are put under load? Dozens of experiments done on THIS forum have shown they can. Tesla’s patent says they will not slow it DOWN. Thaine Heinz has patent applications but it is ALREADY open source because of Tesla's work. It is all timing.

The generator works exactly as I said it does, and I gave it away for free because it is obsolete. All that magnetic neutralization stuff, which is expensive, is not necessary. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. Just there are better ways to do it. But the generator is not the real vein of gold. The two keys I posted above ARE and always will be THE answer. What we learned from the 3 Battery system is the Holy Grail. Everything has been shown, but nobody was paying attention.

I have researched this stuff and we have built machines that work. We gave away ALL the secrets and they have incredible value. What do we get in return? People whining that we haven’t PROVEN to them this is for real by showing inputs and outputs on a working machine. Did anybody show ME those inputs and outputs before I spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars experimenting with different configurations and setups, different sizes of coils and different winding configurations? Dozens of coils thrown in the trash because they did not work. Expensive rotors cast aside because they would not hold the magnets securely. Did anybody but me pay for all that? Yes, my wife and kids did in time away from them and things I couldn't give them because the money was spent on research. A LOT of money.

But I did the research. And then I brought all the information here. All the benefits. All the shortcuts. So REAL researchers, people who only see the glimmer of possibility and JUMP on it with both feet, would have a much easier path to follow. REAL researchers WILL benefit from the information I have provided because they are like me. They are driven to know the TRUTH. That’s what separates REAL researchers from pretenders. The rest of you? Well you can pound sand for all I care.

I have helped DOZENS of people from all over the world who I believed were sincere in their attempts to replicate some of this stuff. I have given away motors to be rewound, magnets, expensive rotors, oscilloscopes, boost modules and countless other parts, and even paid for the shipping. Many times I was told that the individual I was sending the parts to would reimburse me for the shipping, but that has only happened ONCE in ten years. NOT the parts, which I gave for free, just the shipping.

And yet you people think I owe you MORE? This was SUPPOSED to be a forum for researchers. They are FEW and far between. Risk takers? Visionaries? Maybe a few, but mostly just whiners and cry babies who insist everything be proven to them. They are incapable of sticking their toe in the water until someone with a thermometer proves it is the correct temperature. I am sincere in my opinion as to where they can stick that thermometer.

THAT is why this places no longer a priority for me. There are several people not on this forum who are replicating the things we have shown. One of them is an electrical engineer who is also a physicist from a MAJOR university. He sees the value in what we have shown. He doesn't whine and cry and insist we prove anything. He does the experiments for himself, and has gotten BETTER results on some things than we have because his testing facilities are more exacting and so is his equipment. In fact, he may pass us up. SOME of the things I have had tested at an independent lab in Santa Clara. I know what the results were.

THOSE are the people I will continue to work with. Make no mistake, this work will continue to go forward. I just won't have to put up with snide comments from people who are incapable of doing anything on their own and insist that they be spoon fed everything like little children.

You can spend hours insisting that full disclosure is MY responsibility if you want to, but that cuts no ice with me. Never has and never will. In ALL the research that is being done on these forums on different inventions or concepts from the past, show me just ONE who demonstrated the inputs and the outputs as you insist I must. There ISN'T one. Which is why so many thousands of people are RESEARCHING these different inventors and inventions.

Either stick your toe in the water or stick the thermometer. I don't really care which.
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Wink What type of potentials are we referring to here?

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I think it is appropriate that my contributions on this forum kind of end on the same thread they began. I just don’t have the time to post MUCH anymore with all that is going on in life.

It is also appropriate that my search for free energy, which started on this thread, led down all kinds of different paths in different directions, investigating different ideas, inventors and inventions, but Finally led back to THIS thread which opened the door I was looking for.

So here you go...


The key to free energy is two things.
1. Never run a load unless it is between two potentials.
2. Use the energy to create more energy. Example: Using the motor running between the positives to turn a generator.

That’s all you get, because that’s all there IS. Scale it up. Run your car or your house or your city. Up to you. We know what it can do. But remember this. I’m gonna come back some day with all kinds of **** and rub some noses in it. Or Matt will. Probably Matt. He’s way better at that stuff than I am.
If by "potentials" you mean voltage values, then I'm clueless since I'm too stupid to know what that implies beyond the obvious which leaves me just as stupid as before.

But if you mean to imply two types of potentials: one kinetic and the other one non-kinetic, ....

discussion on Facebook of Tesla's special generator

...then I can automatically appreciate what may be implied and give me a lame excuse for self promotion.

In this instance, the good batteries are kinetic while the dead battery/s is/are non-kinetic, ie potentially kinetic, just as the two pairs of "H H" coils in Tesla's Special Generator exhibit a largesse of potential magnetism in the form of a high mutual induction, namely a coupling coefficient way over unity, along with an extremely low self induction of one pico Henry versus two singular "M" coils of highly kinetic self induction at 100k Henrys and nearly unity mutual induction (a coupling coefficient of 0.999)....

Tesla's Special Generator loosely interpreted as a simulation

Background data....
https://is.gd/specgenpgs
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We all do. You present no evidence of a significant or meaningful result; ie. output power > input power.

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What people like bi really mean is THEY have nothing to show for all MY hard work or Matt's hard work. Does magnetic neutralization work? The patent on that is over 150 years old. Can generator coils speed up the motor when they are put under load? Dozens of experiments done on THIS forum have shown they can. Teslaís patent says they will not slow it DOWN. Thaine Heinz has patent applications but it is ALREADY open source because of Tesla's work. It is all timing.
What bi (I) really mean is what I say. You deceive yourself, and others gullible enough to believe you. All these things you mention (your hard work and source of pride) are strawman tactics. They mean nothing to the objective of free energy. So what if you place a magnet such that it eliminates cogging? That does not make output power > input power. So what if shorting a coil causes an increase in speed. That has nothing to do with it. Output power will not exceed input power. If Thaine Heinz had anything of value, why hasn't it been commercialized? He's got nothing of any value.

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The generator works exactly as I said it does,
IIRC, you said your generator output 1800 watts while using 300 watts input power. That is BS. If true, it is a billion dollar... trillion dollar machine. Yet you sit there typing at us instead of saving the planet. Big of you.

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What we learned from the 3 Battery system is the Holy Grail. Everything has been shown, but nobody was paying attention.
More BS. I am paying attention. I suspect lots of folks read your posts. But with these battery systems, every instrumented documented experiment and test available show no excess energy... NO free energy.
Recent example:
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... For even the presenter stated at the end that it could not keep up a charge on the battiers due to there size.
... Your money is better kept in your wallet.

Jeff
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IIRC, you said your generator output 1800 watts while using 300 watts input power. That is BS. If true, it is a billion dollar... trillion dollar machine. Yet you sit there typing at us instead of saving the planet. Big of you.

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Not a valid criticism in the face of stiff competition from vested interests who would prefer to avoid change to their profits or their relevance to society.

How relevant to social needs is the continued existence of a banking establishment if you or I can issue our own currency? Does electricity run most of our world without which our world would collapse no less likely than if money were to become worthless overnight for whatever reason?

Yet energy will not so readily lose its value.
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Not a valid criticism in the face of stiff competition from vested interests who would prefer to avoid change to their profits or their relevance to society.

How relevant to social needs is the continued existence of a banking establishment if you or I can issue our own currency? Does electricity run most of our world without which our world would collapse no less likely than if money were to become worthless overnight for whatever reason?

Yet energy will not so readily lose its value.
Would you rather have dead planet which was economically sound (paid for) or a living planet in debt?

I believe it was Kurt Vonnegut:

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We could have saved the planet but we were too greedy.
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Would you rather have dead planet which was economically sound (paid for) or a living planet in debt?

I believe it was Kurt Vonnegut:
I'd rather have a planet in which every man woman and child is their own Sovereign entity fully capable of minting their own currency, pun intended, free of charge, relatively speaking, no longer the slave to industrial interests including the banking establishment. Energy is so cost effective when we appreciate it more closer to what Tesla and Stanley Meyer and others have intended, that it costs no more than the postage stamp used to mail us our utility bill. This is the freedom to live our lives free of intervention.

The planet under this scenario would be capable of renewal in which all the deserts would bloom and everyone would sit under their fig tree relishing heaven on Earth.
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Solution.

From my own experiments and what I've researched I've never seen even
a miliwat hour of free energy.
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