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Old 07-11-2018, 08:01 AM
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Does my last posted picture answer your question? Forgive me for not understanding your question. I'm a little thick in the head sometimes.

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Hi wantomake,

Everything is fine with you, it's my problem. Sometimes, even in my native language I can't express what I have in my mind. So I am sorry for beeing not precise when asking a questions.

Thank you very much for the photos, they explained a lot. But I am not sure when Dave was saying about 8" rotor he meant his basic design, which you are replicating or he said about smaller rotor. What I understand, your rotor is 11".

I think I will follow your path and try to build the same size generator, as smaller/different version causes only more questions and misunderstandings, but again for this I will have to find/order new parts.

Can't wait to see your progress on photos or videos. I am so excited like it would be mine own machine

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Hi wantomake,

Everything is fine with you, it's my problem. Sometimes, even in my native language I can't express what I have in my mind. So I am sorry for beeing not precise when asking a questions.

Thank you very much for the photos, they explained a lot. But I am not sure when Dave was saying about 8" rotor he meant his basic design, which you are replicating or he said about smaller rotor. What I understand, your rotor is 11".

I think I will follow your path and try to build the same size generator, as smaller/different version causes only more questions and misunderstandings, but again for this I will have to find/order new parts.

Can't wait to see your progress on photos or videos. I am so excited like it would be mine own machine

Thanks for all your help and determination,
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You are very much welcome Lukasz,

I'm glad the pictures helped. The rotor pictured is 10 7/8" exact diameter and the thickness is 1/4" per rotor. That is actually 2 rotors with 1 piece plexiglass between them. The magnets are 2" x 1/4" and it takes 12 of them. The axle hole at center is 5/8". I'm sorry these are all American standard measurements. I believe it is ABS black polycarbonate material.

I'll try to get a side view picture posted today for you.
Be encouraged and I can't wait t see your excited post after you witness the SUUL and voltage this Dave upright generator puts out.

Coffee is needing a little nuking up.
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Arrow A mechanical switch is a parametric oscillator.

Ossie uses a reed switch. A mechanical switch is a parametric oscillator due to the dielectric air gap (in between the poles of that switch) vary their dielectric spacing, and hence their capacitance, over time.

This, plus his use of a dead bank of batteries to convert reactive power into usable power makes this a viable method of synthesizing electricity from its constituent ingredients of magnetism, electrostatics and variations of either or both over time.

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A set of brushes on a DC motor are parametric if their voltages sparking across their air gaps (at the commutator) varies over time. This is the equivalence of a dielectric parametrically varying its capacitance over time. But in this case, its the byproduct of capacitance, namely: the voltage charges on either side of a capacitor's dielectric, which is varying rather than the dielectric's capacitance. The end result is the same: parametric excitation.

It is the dead battery turned around (in reverse) which is creating this variation of voltages across the DC motor's sparking air gapped set of brushes in its commutator. This inversion of batteries, paired with batteries #1 and #2, creates a conflict of voltages which vary -- either over time, or else simultaneously -- and is the direct equivalence of a varying dielectric.

Although a coil of wire is also capable of parametrically varying its induction over time, it is not overunity. For the dimensionality of a transverse wave's induction is strictly confined to space while the dimensionality of capacitance is inversely proportional to space since longitudinal waves only exist in counter-space.

A longitudinal electric wave may only travel in counter-space. Transverse waves travel in space. A longitudinal wave "sees" its distance across the dielectric of a capacitor as being inversely proportional to the same distance it must travel across a capacitor's dielectric in space.

While, by comparison, the transverse wave in a wire, or more poignantly in a coil, must travel the same distance in space as it does in space.

In other words, we build our circuits in space and so we have space as our reference frame. And transverse (electromagnetic) waves hang out with us in our world of preferred references.

But longitudinal waves hang out in counter-space wherein their dimensionality is inverted from our's, and transverse wave's, spatial characteristic. In other words, in space, speed is distance traveled over time, while in counter-space, speed is time over distance traveled. This is why Ohms Law is also inverted whenever we consider the negative of resistance as compared to its more familiar variety of positive resistance, aka: Ohms Law becomes Mho's Law (or, Siemens) when positive resistance becomes negative in a spark gap or in a gas discharge tube (such as in a neon bulb or in a fluorescent tube minus its ballast).

This dimensional inversion is what results in faster than the speed of light rate of traversal of longitudinal waves in counter-space in as much as this is an illusion. Nothing actually travels faster than the speed of light. It just looks that way since we're taking our measurements in space while a longitudinal wave travels in counter-space wherein the distance traveled is not the same as it is in space. Instead, it's much shorter. So much so, that the conversion of a longitudinal wave back into an equally energetic transverse wave makes it appear as if the time between the conversion of a transverse wave (existing here in space) into its longitudinal equivalent prior to its embarkation through the medium of counter-space followed by its returning to its transverse format passes a reduced quantity of time from which we falsely conclude that the speed of a longitudinal wave travels faster than the speed of a transverse light beam traveling in space. This illusory inversion becomes accentuated the greater is the distance in space (which the longitudinal wave cannot travel in) since the equivalent distance in counter-space is reduced. This only happens in the dielectric of a capacitor or the dielectric of capacitance in general occurring in other circumstances, such as: across sparking air gaps, or the vacuum of a vacuum tube or in outer space, or across bedrock deep underground.

For example, Tesla experimented bouncing a longitudinal wave off the moon and recorded an increase to the speed of light by a factor of fifty, or 5,000%, while Eric Dollard recorded a mere 26% increase over the spatial distance of a few thousand feet back in the 1980s while conducting his analog computer experiments with the assistance of Peter Lindemann and Thomas Brown.

Newton's Cradle is a perfect analogy to why, and how, a transverse wave must convert into a longitudinal wave in order to pass through a compressed medium (such as: bedrock), or a tsunami sound wave traveling through the depths of the ocean, or an electric wave traveling through the equivalent medium of compression, namely: a vacuum, before a longitudinal wave converts back into a transverse wave upon exiting the compressed (or vacuous) medium which it traveled through.


This apparent increase to the speed of light across the dielectric of a capacitor -- or an air gap across a sparking commutator brush in a DC motor -- also manifests an increase in energy. This, too, is an illusion, (although a happy illusion) for our senses and our meters will not know any different, nor will our electric bill! Since the Laws of Physics (to date) only deal with spatial considerations, free energy may appear to defy Physics. Yet, their vernacular does consider this possibility. They call it Quantum Mechanics rather than the Aether. And there is a body of knowledge already behind parametric oscillations of the mechanical variety with its electrical equivalent lagging not far behind...

Parametric Excitation and Oscillation of both the Electrical and Mechanical Realms

This leads me to strongly conclude, what I have been (recently) weakly suspecting, that: parametric oscillation or excitation is the *only* method for producing overunity in 'free energy' devices and methods.

And since (now) I have a direct relationship equating reactive power with the populist alternative notion of radiant power -- along with various techniques for reclaiming the wasted current and voltage of reactive waves getting out of phase which each other, namely: the poor man's reactive converter of a fully sulfated, dead, lead-acid battery (or, a synchronous generator/motor), then it is safe to assume that the broad topic of 'free energy' is actually a simple matter for anyone to attempt the analysis of.

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For I have determined that reactive and radiant are one and the same thing. Nothing mysterious here, except that standard theory poses reactive to be a problem not waiting to be exploited, but rather avoided.

Ossie Callanan and Dave Bowling may have discovered that a dead fully sulphated lead acid battery is a simple alternative to synchronous generators/motors (or Jim Murray and Paul Babcock's SERPS or Eric Dollard's analog computer caps and coils) for converting reactive power into usable generative power.

http://www.fluxite.com/WorkingRadiantEnergy.pdf

http://is.gd/FerdinandCap

http://www.energeticforum.com/73799-post24.html

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This latest post at my Tesla 1931 Pierce-Arrow EV conversion demonstration concerns the ridiculousness of insisting on "Energy IN must equal Energy OUT" whenever applied to electricity. Our understanding of electricity is a delusional enterprise when we apply this dictum from physics to it. Electricity does not exist as an entity for it is merely a blend of magnetics and electrostatics over time. The only thing consumed, and not by us, is time. For time slips by; each moment replaced by the next making change over time possible. But we don't consume magnetics. We could destroy it if we overheated a permanent magnet. But that merely accelerates its aging process and is not relevant to expenditure of an electrical energy source. So consequently, the use of magnetics is a renewable/reusable resource. Electrostatics can also be reusable if we don't intend to convert it into current. In other words, if I put a capacitor inline with one terminal of a battery, then that capacitor effectively blocks the discharge of that battery. And if both are placed in an A/C circuit, then the battery merely lends its influence as a voltage source without being allowed to expend itself. This is known as D/C saturation of an A/C circuit. Since I'm getting my current from magnetics, I can afford to merely get voltage from electrostatics. These two sources are reusably free over limitless time. So long as we think of electricity in a vague sensibility, we allow electricity as a conceptual singularity when in fact it is a blend of these three ingredients of electrostatics and magnetics varying over time. These three ingredients are freely available. It's time which is limited. Time is not free since we lose it no sooner than we gain it. Thus, we may consider that time is the only expendable product in any energy equation -- especially since so much of energy mechanics is translatable. For instance, mechanics is directly translatable into electrodynamics. So, energy is not free since it does not exist as we know it. But its constituent ingredients are freely reusable except for time. So, time is the shortcoming to free energy making free energy no longer free since we pay for time lost whether or not we use time. So, free energy does not exist. Yet, free electricity does exist if we ignore time. Thus, free energy is a delusional state of mind to which we are all collectively subject.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:31 PM
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Conclusion

There are two things you need to have fixed in your head before what I am going to post means anything to you. If you dispute either one of the following FACTS, then donít bother with the rest of this post.
1st. When a pulse motor is run between the positives, you CAN recover some (between 60-90%)of the energy used to run the motor if you have the correct circuit with the right batteries and motor.
2nd. Coils that are wound correctly can delay Lenz long enough that it actually assists in the acceleration of the rotor rather than retarding it and causing drag on the motor.

With those two things, and investing a tremendous amount of time to tune the system, you can run your motor for free with a very small load. Nothing dramatic, but REAL never the less.

The final piece is a generator that has all but eliminated the magnetic lock, and speeds up under load. There are a couple ways to build that generator. One involves timing and switching and all kinds of things that have to work correctly. The other is all mechanical. I chose the mechanical method as it was easier for me to build. More expensive, but I donít have to depend on electronics for it to work.

I probably have close to $15,000 invested in different builds of this generator over the years, so GIVING it away when I KNOW money could be made from it has been a difficult decision. It would be NICE to get SOME of that money back, if just to use on other projects. Especially since I doubt seriously if FIVE people actually build it. I HAVE shared the construction details with others, so there has never been a risk that the secrets would vanish if something happened to me. And my youngest is an engineer, so he and I have had MANY talks about this stuff.,

If you build it as I have shown, it will run on less than 240 watts constant input, of which you can recover all but about 60. You should get betweenn1800 and 2000 watts constant output. You can figure the 👮 of that for yourself.

There is still a TON of research that needs to be done. Like how many magnets can I put on a rotor and have it still work like I want it to. What is the ratio of nagnet to open space between magnets on the rotor. How much flux WILL the coils hold? Will using thicker magnets give me MORE output? How about if I put a cap in parallel with every coil? What happens THEN?

Iím going to be busy moving for at LEAST two months as the house we are moving into needs to be remodeled before we move in, and the house we are selling needs to be remodeled before we sell it. So all that research is now on YOU!

By the way. This is not a high quality video I am charging you for. It is a simple YouTube video that gives you everything you need to know to build an overunity system. If you DONíT do it, you have nobody to blame but yourself. If you donít have the money, recruit a couple friends and chip in together.

If you can show me ANYBODY, on ANY forum who has disclosed a WORKING setup that puts out MORE than this one, Iíd like to know WHERE.

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A mechanical switch is a parametric oscillator.
We can begin to refer to the Vedic delineation of counter-space versus space by their expression...

PURNAMEEDA PURNAMEEDAM = Two fullnesses: fullness of fullness versus fullness of emptiness. This comports with one's compliment arithmetic used by computers' machine language assembler whenever they subtract a number from itself at the bits and bytes level of the computer's register (32 bit vs 64 bit, etc): negative zero is the result.

{Nobody likes that answer, so they perform a slight of hand variation using something called two's compliment in which they make negative zero magically disappear.}

This also comports with the I Ching, also known as: Chinese Book of Changes, filled with 64 hexagrams composed of two trigrams for each hexagram. One of the eight trigrams is composed of three solid lines signifying "Chien" - Creative Energy, while three broken lines represent K'un, the Receptive Intelligence. This, in the Sanskrit, is known as Sat-Chit(-Ananda): Energy and Intelligence (and Bliss). This is also known in the Tao as Yang and Yin.

What does any of this have to do with counter-space and space? Well... I'm getting to that...

From this basic duality, it begins to become slightly more complicated...

The absolute fullness of fullness is the transcendental being on the side opposed to Creation, namely: purusha personified by EEshwara which literally translates from the Sanskrit to mean: evolutionary progression of all beings (EE + swara).

Between this absolute and its Creation is a gap known as Dharma which negotiates between these two opposing fields.

And then over on our side is Creation known variously as: Maya (illusion), Prakritee (Creation) and the field of the Three Gunas. Though, this latter definition is not the whole story.

The Three Gunas are causative agents involving: creation (out of the principle known in Vedic lore as: Sattwa), maintanance (as Rajas) and destruction (as Tamas) persondified by the dieties of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, respectively. These three exist in counter-space.

Their three respective effects exist in space, our world, and are known as the three Ayurvedic doshas of: Vata, Pitta and Kapha.

Vata, personified by Ganesh (who is Wisdom), is a blend of Sattwa and Rajas. Pitta, personified by Surya (the Sun), is a blend of Tamas and Rajas. Kapha, personified by Mother Divine (Nature), is a blend of Sattwa and Tamas.

This is all background information -- none of which will help electrical engineering to the slightest degree unless you want to know the name (not the phone number) of the one in charge of whatever area of Reality you have a gripe, or concern, or inquiry about. To get the respective diety's phone number to answer your concern (by gaining a little bit of their perspective) requires the additional skill of a yogi practicing bija (seed) mantra meditation. Or else just plain good fortune gained through devotion and service to these "tasks at hand".

Space gives (wave)form to the formlessness of electrical energy. Energy is equivalent to the aether of counter-space. Electrical energy does not come from the aether, it is the aether apart from whatever waveform gives electrical energy its shape and functionality. The abstraction of a wave is content free in and of itself. Yet, a wave makes formless energy countable and measurable. So, the energy of the aether is real in a very concrete sense while the abstraction which gives electrical energy an embodiment to incarnate within is not concretely real, but is a mere abstraction of thought: our thoughts or that of Divinity at its Origin.

This may appear as heretical science, fringe science, to those not familiar with science in its more robust form as practiced by scientists of a bygone era, or in our collective futures, in which scientists and priests will become blended into one profession.

To understand science is to understand God. To understand both is an expansive prognosis devoid of schisms in either one.
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A LOT OF STUFF!!
This does not really pertain to the thread. Unfortunately the Callahan stuff is just a rework of John Bedini's stuff. Most people have no real conception of either one of them. So maybe you can spare us ancient history and the very drab hope that simulation can help and go start your own thread. Bro Mikey maybe a couple of others would be happy to discuss this mystical stuff with you.

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Hey Dave,

Thanks for sharing the well done video of the gen set and its design/build details. Your explanation and logic for the adjustable unequal number of smaller magnets within the coil holder is very good. Same applies to the size and number of the Neo's in the main rotor.

Been following your progress with Matt's input for awhile now on the 3BGS project and continue to be impressed. Would love to build this but have a couple of other long term obsessions that are eating up my play time, but then things can change in a heart beat.

Big thanks to all that are pushing this thread along.
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Cat is out of the bag

Well the secret is out now. Well done Dave on the video. Not sure why but it is your build.

I guess we will see how many will build this machine and use that opposing magnet method. I want to and plan to. You are moving again eh? We are in the process of renovating our home. What a pain.

Now ALL the details of this generator are posted.

Wow!!!

We will see
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Matt built a machine that output more than it took to run. I replicated it and then went a little nuts building a BIG machine. It taught me a lot. I remember running it with two coils, and when I added two more it quit speeding up under load. It took me days to figure out WHY. Everything I understand about working with this stuff I got from building machines, watching them run, and making them better.

There are probably going to be people who say this generator wonít work. Just like there are those who insist the 3 Battery setup wonít work. You donít have to build a $2,000 machine to see if the principles work. You can apply them to ANY machine you have running.
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Hi vinyasi, yes, please start a thread about what some are not even willing to respect.
I respect you and whatever you have to share.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts about this illusion, again, that others wish to stay unaware about, it's ok, each to their own.
Carry on everyone and forget this post even exists, as you will anyway.
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Hi vinyasi, yes, please start a thread about what some are not even willing to respect.
I respect you and whatever you have to share.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts about this illusion, again, that others wish to stay unaware about, it's ok, each to their own.
Carry on everyone and forget this post even exists, as you will anyway.
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It just doesn't belong here. Wake up, he's just dropping it here because people are reading. It detracts from the overall project that is being laid out here. Between post a bunch of relic nonsense.
You like that though? Makes sense to you? Goofball!
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Oh please matt, lighten up a bit man, i told him to start a new thread, i didn't say to continue that topic here.
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If you have the stuff, give this a shot. It's as CHEAP as you will get.
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Opposing magnets

Got the 3/4" magnet in yesterday. Will stop by Lowe's to match the diameter with pvc pipe to hold it in place.

This is how I'll size and build the opposing magnets between the coils. Being that my stators are wood and the between coils space is limited.

Will see what will work to adjust distance of magnet toward the rotor magnets.

Yes you guessed it coffee nuking time,
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This does not really pertain to the thread. Unfortunately the Callahan stuff is just a rework of John Bedini's stuff. Most people have no real conception of either one of them. So maybe you can spare us ancient history and the very drab hope that simulation can help and go start your own thread. Bro Mikey maybe a couple of others would be happy to discuss this mystical stuff with you.

Thanks For understanding

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...since you got all this stuff for free.

A while back, it was asked of Eric or someone else to drop in and explain why this system works. Sorry I helped.

Maybe you've figured it out by now. I've only read up to page 13 of this thread.

No need to linger, 'tho I enjoy your posts.
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Thanks Dave. I know this is probably a dumb question but could you indicate which side is input and which is output on the boost module in the diagram. I'm assuming I know the answer but would like to be sure. Also the boost module next to the battery does not have the negative output connected. Is that correct? I know some of these modules have the negative in and out tied together.
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Thanks Dave. I know this is probably a dumb question but could you indicate which side is input and which is output on the boost module in the diagram. I'm assuming I know the answer but would like to be sure. Also the boost module next to the battery does not have the negative output connected. Is that correct? I know some of these modules have the negative in and out tied together.
You usually do not need the negative on the output side. Thats why its not on there. The point is to stay off the negative (GND).

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...since you got all this stuff for free.

A while back, it was asked of Eric or someone else to drop in and explain why this system works. Sorry I helped.

Maybe you've figured it out by now. I've only read up to page 13 of this thread.

No need to linger, 'tho I enjoy your posts.
I do not recall anyone asking why these systems work or for help. Its very easy to understand, "You do not through the power away to ground and you can do more and in some cases a lot more work. The load does not consume the a dominant part of the electricity put into the system the ground does. Recycling works!!."

The problem is not that we need explanation the problem is people who interject long drab posts about nothing that pertains to getting the job done and ancient writings from the Internet of nothing. Most of the crap that is out there is just that.

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Benetiz showed people over a hundred years ago how to run loads between the positives.
Tesla showed us over a hundred years ago how to get a coil to speed up under load.
I looked for the patent today and couldn't find it, but there is a patent that is over 100 years old that SHOWS using offsetting magnets aligned with the coils so the rotor magnet goes BETWEEN the two...attracted to one and repulsed by the other. I didn't LIKE that arrangement, since all the force on the rotor was in the same direction, but the IDEA is the same as what I am using. I just make sure there is attraction in BOTH directions and repulsion in BOTH directions to avoid torquing my rotor back and forth.

So no, Bro Mikey, I did NOT get the idea from Mad Mack, although the work he was doing certainly reinforced the idea. And it blows me away that since he put it all OUT THERE not a single person on the forum saw it and applied it to running generators. Although I SHOULDN'T be. In order to APPLY something you actually have to BUILD something instead of just TALKING about building something.

What I am trying to say is, NONE of this is new, It has ALL been "invented" before. Why is it that this is some big mysterious thing we are all excited about NOW. Because people don't research any more. They don't use their brains to link ideas together. Half the time they can't see what is right in front of them. And we have LOST the wisdom of the past. There is an old saying:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

That's us. Researching and inventing things that were invented 100 years ago. I can hardly wait until a hundred years in the future, when someone invents the iPhone.
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Hi turion, nice post, seems you may be alluding to the hidden social engineers, who are the real reason people are forgetting about fairly recent inventions, keeping them distracted and in survival mode.
And before that, they have destroyed cultures, societies, to rebuild again, to maintain control.
Your efforts are great, maybe the tides have turned and these inventions will truly see the light of day on mass.
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If you have the stuff, give this a shot. It's as CHEAP as you will get.
Hello Dave,

What model boost circuit do you think is the best for that setup?

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I have given up on those prebuilt ones. At lower voltages the don't do much.

Here's a calculator:
Switching Converter Power Supply Calculator

Here's a simple schematic:
DC to DC boost converter circuit homemade

Heres a free schematic editor and PCB design tool.
https://www.rs-online.com/designspar...d-installation

Send me the the PCB file or the gerbers I'll make you a board.

Or just use 2-3 little red boost converters. Make sure you have enough amps.

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...New again

https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1991018495A8/en
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Thank You. This world is crazy indeed. When you dig enough you will find old patents and become completely astonished, how is that possible we don't see those devices around ?
This will help you more https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publ...=&locale=en_EP
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I have given up on those prebuilt ones. At lower voltages the don't do much.

Here's a calculator:
Switching Converter Power Supply Calculator

Here's a simple schematic:
DC to DC boost converter circuit homemade

Heres a free schematic editor and PCB design tool.
https://www.rs-online.com/designspar...d-installation

Send me the the PCB file or the gerbers I'll make you a board.

Or just use 2-3 little red boost converters. Make sure you have enough amps.

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Information Super Highway??????

Sky,
We have something prior generations did NOT have. We have the internet to put the information OUT THERE for everyone to see. Before “this time” if someone had an amazing idea, how could they share it with the person next door, or across the country, or across the ocean? It is harder to control the spread of information now. Almost 50 people have viewed the information on the generator I gave out. Wow! More people would know about it if I just went out in my yard and started yelling about it.

boguslaw,
Thanks for the info on the patent. A while back I purchased a Polaris EV, which is a four wheel drive electric vehicle that seats two, with a dump bed on the back. I use it almost every day hauling dirt and bricks and rock, moving tools from here to there, or running down the road to my moms place instead of using the car. It has a winch, so I am always pulling out small dead trees or other projects with it. And it is quiet, so I don’t disturb people. I have every intention of converting it over to some kind of system where it only needs ONE to THREE batteries and keeps itself charged up. Some day. That is my goal. That’s one of the reasons I bought it.

The only way we are going to make significant change is to get something that actually works and then get people to REPLICATE it and SHOW that it works. We haven’t made a ripple, let alone a wave.

EDIT:
Almost forgot my main reason for writing this post. I have a build I haven’t shown, because I took it apart a while back, where the razor scooter motor is mounted with the threaded shaft vertical. This allows the generator coils to be placed around the outside of the rotor like spokes on a wheel. Directly across the rotor from each coil is a SINGLE adjustable magnet used to balance the attraction of rotor magnet to iron core. As you can afford it, you can then stack layers of coils one on top of the other with its matching rotor. This was actually my FIRST version using magnetic opposition that worked on a little wooden motor Matt designed, and citfta replicated it. So I KNEW before I invested big $$ that it would work. The only issue was the bearing on the other end of the verticals shaft if you stack layers. It was too hard to get perfect alignment with the basic tools I have. For ONE layer it’s a piece of cake, as all you do is bolt a rotor onto the razor scooter motor. It is also WAY cheaper for YOU guys to build a demo generator and SEE FOR YOURSELVES. All you need is the rotor with magnets around the outside that you mount on your modified motor and correctly wound coils. The opposition magnets you can figure out a way to move closer to the rotor on your own.
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Thanks Dave. I know this is probably a dumb question but could you indicate which side is input and which is output on the boost module in the diagram. I'm assuming I know the answer but would like to be sure. Also the boost module next to the battery does not have the negative output connected. Is that correct? I know some of these modules have the negative in and out tied together.
boost modules have diodes and output capacitor that charges to higher voltage, the load is the motor in series with the source battery, like the 3 battery system they have all been doing. The negative is already tied with the battery.

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If you have the stuff, give this a shot. It's as CHEAP as you will get.
the circuit reminds me of the charge pump we used to play in the other thread.. double the voltage, send it back to source while powering loads.. this is more passive though.. really clever..
not really good with motors here, so I might try this with isolated SMPS instead of motor-generator.
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boost modules have diodes and output capacitor that charges to higher voltage, the load is the motor in series with the source battery, like the 3 battery system they have all been doing. The negative is already tied with the battery.



the circuit reminds me of the charge pump we used to play in the other thread.. double the voltage, send it back to source while powering loads.. this is more passive though.. really clever..
not really good with motors here, so I might try this with isolated SMPS instead of motor-generator.

Switch mode power supplies loose to much energy. Since most are forward converters you end up with a 50% duty cycle coming out. So what that means is you are putting, for instance, 12 volt 1 amp in at a constant rate and out comes pulses that equal 12v 1 amp but 50% of the time you are off so average you now have 6 volt 1 amp total. A 50% loss just to run the thing on the primary side. You also end up saturating the inductor because they need a ground to zero the inductor between pulses, so the thing loads up and you have a hard time getting real work done out of them without them shutting down for safety. With all that fixed and running if the SMPS is 90% efficient you going to get a 6% gain which wont cover the loss in the primary boost converter.
Thats why we push the MoGen combo. Just about everything else is a waiste of time.

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Found it

This is the old build I was talking about in my last post. Vertical shaft. I used a BIG washer above and below the rotor to help it rotate correctly.
Vertical Generator prototype - YouTube

I really do build stuff. And very LITTLE of it gets shared here.

EDIT:

Just saw what Matt posted. You guys should understand that in the MANY years we have been working on this stuff, Matt has tried about EVERYTHING. So he knows what will work and WHY and what won’t and WHY. If he says it won’t work, you can be pretty sure he’s giving you the straight stuff.

Oh, one thing I should mention...those coils put out voltage but NOT much amperage, since they are a loooooong single wire. It is good for PROPF of concept only. There is a REASON this was UNDER my bench instead of on top of it. So I wouldn’t get crazy excited and spend a ton of money on this particular setup.
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DC converter

I am in the process of piecing together the single battery system shown by Turion a few days ago. I have all the pieces on hand but some haven't been used for years. My motor generator appears to function as expected. I was just testing a DC boost converter when I read Matthew's post. Here are the numbers from my test.







The black wattmeter is input directly from the Odyessy battery. 12.13V and 5.20A for 63 watts. Output to the 13.3 ohm load resistor is read on the Fluke voltmeter and orange clamp-on ammeter. That is 26.76V and 1.966A for 52.61 watts.

Power out divided by power in equals efficiency. For the DC boost converter, that is 52.61 watts out / 63 watts in = 0.835 or 83.5% efficient.

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That boost converter if you can find one that actually runs tends to be real low efficiency. The LCD screen and controller eat alot up.

https://www.amazon.com/Gowoops-10-32...ding=UTF8&s=pc

These little one at 12 volt pushed up to 24 volt are about 91%. You can parallel them for better performance. Less current per unit raises the efficiency.

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