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Old 06-04-2018, 06:48 PM
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@Turion,
The disks are from 15 mm steel (0,6 inch) and the frame is also made from square pipe steel, so imagine how heavy it is...
This is not my invention, I made only some small mods, where it matters Actually, my project was to use this generator for a domestic purpose, but after the surgery, I have to wait a little bit. Actually, a little more.
This kind of alternator is usually made for eolian generators, rotor with square or rectangular magnets, and coils wounded in star or triangle connection. I`m quite surprised you don`t know about this.
Nevermind, HERE and HERE you can find some good video tutorials about axial flux alternator, and HERE is a translation of a forum I am following for a while. There you have first class info!
HERE It`s a video of my generator with a 30 watt car bulb hooked to a trifazic bridge (i think it was 30 watt, I will check later).
L.E. - The car light bulb is rated 55/60 Watt, so I think it was hooked up at 55 watt filament. It will be fun to test with both filaments in paralel - 115 watts...
There is much more to learn, I don`t know if this is a better solution, but at least this is the path I am going to go, at least for the generator side. I have to test at least 3 different stators, and one of them I think will be just enough for 3BGS system.
All in time, as I am running out of founds and time, so I am waiting for the time I will be able to dismantle the generator, to weld the platform for the My 1016 (which I am going to order tomorrow), to see it working at high speed. ALL the materials are expensive, the magnets are 15 mm thick, and for the wire, I think I used here at least 5 kg of copper for coils, and so on. I think you know better, about the „free energy”, which cost real good money...
Anyway, I will keep posting updates.
If you need more info about this generator, I can give more info, tutorials, books, etc. as I`m not going to take with me in the grave all of this...
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:35 PM
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An axial Flux gen is still going to slow down at high speed on a current draw. But the low speed option is there if it puts out enough power. I wouldn't suggest using a mod motor. I would just used a regular motor to turn it.

Even if you can get it up 4-5k rpms as soon a load touches the gen you'll lock the mod motor up.

I would use a buck converter between the pole of the battery and feed the motor something like 6-8 volt to keep the rpms down. You should be able to find a moderate range that the gen does not drag. But if you try to do AA high speed job with that gen your in for some damage if your not careful.

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Old 06-05-2018, 11:14 AM
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@Matt,
I will test first my gen on slow speed, but until then, it is a long way to go.
I ordered today the 350 watt motor, it should arrive in one week max, and after that i have to take my gen apart, with someone to help me - only one disk with magnets have 15 kg, and I can lift only 7 kg now. Not to mention the HUGE force of magnet attraction, so I have to be VERY careful.
Making the steel framework for housing MY106 will take also some time - fortunately, I have some good friends wiling to help me out with this.
Anyway, in the meantime I still have work to do, testing the small unit.
About controlling the speed, I have already a PWM controller, and of course, I have to be very careful...
We will see in 2 weeks some news about my big gen, until then, I will play with different coils in my smaller axial flux generator version.
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Old 06-05-2018, 11:18 AM
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Teo,
You keep posting to let us know or if any questions.

Matthew and Dave will be your best help here. I was down with stomach bug or food poisoning for two days. These guys have built this generator and tested it. They know it works. It will save you money and time listening to them.

Feel much better today so hopefully will get some shop time today. I'm still re-cutting the upright wooden stators so the coils can be installed from back.

Will make more pictures as I get anything worthy accomplished to post. Case in point here Teo. I tried my own design on this upright generator but now I've taken it completely apart to design it a better setup as per Dave's setup.

I tried to encourage others to build here. Just keep going. But if you can these guys will help you build a better working machine.

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Old 06-07-2018, 07:35 AM
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@wantomake,
Thank you for your reply, I hope you fell better.
My big generator was already made for another project, and I thought to give it a try also on 3BGS. I don`t have now enough founds to build a different one...
I want to make some tests, first, with the MY 1016 motor, but so far I`m out of luck with my supplier. From where did you bought your MY1016?
I`m looking for an alternative to buy this motor, with free shipping to Europe (Romania).
All I can found is from US - the price is good, but the shipping cost are very high.
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Old 06-07-2018, 11:45 AM
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Thank you for your reply, I hope you fell better.
My big generator was already made for another project, and I thought to give it a try also on 3BGS. I don`t have now enough founds to build a different one...
I want to make some tests, first, with the MY 1016 motor, but so far I`m out of luck with my supplier. From where did you bought your MY1016?
I`m looking for an alternative to buy this motor, with free shipping to Europe (Romania).
All I can found is from US - the price is good, but the shipping cost are very high.
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Good morning from USA Teo,
This is one of many listings from eBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/24-VOLT-24V...8AAOSwRgJXh-eE

No idea if they do ship to Romania? Also saw some listing to sell from UK. That may be good shipping company?

Sorry I can't be more helpful. By the way I did get better so thanks.

Coffee taste better when taste buds work,
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Old 06-07-2018, 05:47 PM
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@wantomake,
I`m glad you feel better. How about this one (ZY1016)https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0758D533Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1HY7STQS43CJI&psc=1
I don`t know if there are some diferences betweend ZY106 and MY106.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:16 PM
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The ZY is with 20poles the MY is with 16.
You might change slightly the way you wound it to match the specs of the modified MY. Someone here has done it before with similar results as the MY. Don't remember who.
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:46 PM
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Poured ferrite/epoxy core for the MY1016. Should be ready in a couple days if all goes well. Then it will be time for winding and testing. Fun, fun, fun. Also have a mold for the MY1020. Mark B made the molds, not me. He is the Man with a 3D printer.
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That looks very interesting so can't wait to see your results.

All it needs is a commutator pressed onto the shaft and let the fun begin.

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This is why you should not comment Mikey, Your tendency to spew bull$hit does no one any good. You haven't the faintest clue of what your talking about.

This why you are the Downfall to this place always trying to derail good things, put doubt in peoples minds who may come later and read this stuff.

Your the enemy and I wish you would just go away and play in your own threads instead mucking up goods information.

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I tend to give people the benefit of a doubt here on this forum.

But posting is about showing what you think will/does work for a setup. I can't say what may or may not work. I've not built what Dave and Matthew are presently experimenting with. I say give their idea a chance before giving instructions on "how" to build it. With respect.

I'm not the inventor here, I'm just a replicator, I do enjoy following new ideas. How does anybody know what will work unless chances are taken. Venturing into the unknown/untried is heart stopping for most. Exploring the unknown is life fulfilment. And (cuss word here)it feels so alive and right to force your life beyond comfort zones.

If I ever meet any of you in person, beware. I've 40 years of adventure, challenging the unknown, breaking fears that bound, and over came my ignorance of life. Stories that may bore you to tears or challenge your self made jail cell.

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Hi Dave, Matt, BobFrench, wantomake etc... I don't post much these days but I'm always happy to help with any 3D printing or CNC routing that needs to be done. Those molds look pretty good filled up! Maybe some day I will make my own to replace the MY-1020 on my e-bike project. Keep up the good work my friend.

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Hi Dave, Matt, BobFrench, wantomake etc... I don't post much these days but I'm always happy to help with any 3D printing or CNC routing that needs to be done. Those molds look pretty good filled up! Maybe some day I will make my own to replace the MY-1020 on my e-bike project. Keep up the good work my friend.

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Thanks for being part of this great build.

E-bike sounds like the dream I had in earlier days. CNC routing? Is that good looking upright Dave has your creation? If that was on my bench then my wife would move me into the shop cause I'd be talking sweet to it all day long.

If your answer is yes, then pm me when or if you want. But if I'm out of order here then please forgive my over enthusiasm.

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Understand the principles of the 3 Battery system. That is the answer. It is the wall.


Running a motor turning a generator was just to PROVE to people that a COP>1 System could EASILY be built with this. That basic system with a Matt motor turning almost ANY motor and rotating the batteries, ALL things that have been shown how to do on this forum, has COP>1.

But you shouldn’t let the motor and generator DISTRACT you from where the REAL gains can be made.
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Running a motor turning a generator was just to PROVE to people that a COP>1 System could EASILY be built with this. That basic system with a Matt motor turning almost ANY motor and rotating the batteries, ALL things that have been shown how to do on this forum, has COP>1.

But you shouldnít let the motor and generator DISTRACT you from where the REAL gains can be made.
Yes fun. Sometimes it's better to get a little fun out of a system than just replicating. There's a certain amount of pressure we often place on ourselves. Then as failure happens, and it will, we tend to lose interest. But if I'm enjoying the project my heart looks toward finishing.

The 3 Battery Generating System has proven to me it works as reported. With my hands and eyes I know. That proving moment, that teaching moment, that WOW moment all slapped me in the face.

The recipe is posted here. Follow the master chief. The only rule: build exactly the basic 3BGS.

All say it together, time to nuke the coffee.
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Molded rotor for the MY1016 try #1 was an OUTSTANDING failure. Even though I spent a ton of time waxing the mold with release agent, buffing it, rewaxing it, etc., I could not get the mold to release the ferrite. I beat on it with a ten pound sledge and it still would NOT come out. The GOOD news is, the ferrite core did not chip or break even though I beat it to death. AND, Matt had already come up with a BETTER plan. A form made of thin walled plastic on the 3D printer that you simply fill with ferrite and LEAVE in place. Wind the wire around the whole thing, and away you go. He already has the design drawn up and has printed a couple experimental runs, changing the extruder size to make the walls thinner. I couldnít stand it, so I bought the same 3D printer Matt has, and once he sends me the program I will be able to print some too.

I also wanted to print some custom coil forms for the generator. Round on one end, so they will slide into the hole, but square on the other end so that once they slide in, the square end fits into a square opening so the coil canít turn. For those of you who havenít built a generator with lots of powerful magnets on the rotor going by coils, the coils want to rotate and it will actually pull wires loose.

Give me a few days and we will update you on the MY1016 rebuild progress.
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Molded rotor for the MY1016 try #1 was an OUTSTANDING failure. Even though I spent a ton of time waxing the mold with release agent, buffing it, rewaxing it, etc., I could not get the mold to release the ferrite. I beat on it with a ten pound sledge and it still would NOT come out. The GOOD news is, the ferrite core did not chip or break even though I beat it to death. AND, Matt had already come up with a BETTER plan. A form made of thin walled plastic on the 3D printer that you simply fill with ferrite and LEAVE in place. Wind the wire around the whole thing, and away you go. He already has the design drawn up and has printed a couple experimental runs, changing the extruder size to make the walls thinner. I couldnít stand it, so I bought the same 3D printer Matt has, and once he sends me the program I will be able to print some too.

I also wanted to print some custom coil forms for the generator. Round on one end, so they will slide into the hole, but square on the other end so that once they slide in, the square end fits into a square opening so the coil canít turn. For those of you who havenít built a generator with lots of powerful magnets on the rotor going by coils, the coils want to rotate and it will actually pull wires loose.

Give me a few days and we will update you on the MY1016 rebuild progress.
Hello Dave,

Can you recommend a good 3d printer? I am in the market for one!

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Thanks for the data on mold difficulties


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Can you recommend a good 3d printer? I am in the market for one!

Thanks!

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Monoprice MINI
https://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_...seq=1&format=2

My extruder stopped working after about 6 prints and I replaced in with this.

https://www.amazon.com/Anycubic-Extr...metal+extruder

But short of that this thing just prints its a$$ off. I use PETG for filament but if your just getting started use PLA. Cura is the slicer you use with this and there are plenty of You Tubes on how to set it up for the mini.

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https://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_...seq=1&format=2

My extruder stopped working after about 6 prints and I replaced in with this.

https://www.amazon.com/Anycubic-Extr...metal+extruder

But short of that this thing just prints its a$$ off. I use PETG for filament but if your just getting started use PLA. Cura is the slicer you use with this and there are plenty of You Tubes on how to set it up for the mini.

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Thank you Matt!

I just ordered one and some PLA like you suggested.



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Hope you looked at the specs for the size of the print area of that machine! I have one too, and it is not designed for larger parts. It looks pretty bulletproof, but it is NOT a full size 3D printer. It is great for a LOT of things though and will come in handy printing all the small parts I need in rebuilding my '71 FJ55 "Iron Pig".
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Hope you looked at the specs for the size of the print area of that machine! I have one too, and it is not designed for larger parts. It looks pretty bulletproof, but it is NOT a full size 3D printer. It is great for a LOT of things though and will come in handy printing all the small parts I need in rebuilding my '71 FJ55 "Iron Pig".
Hey Dave,

Yes I did. I think it will be a good introduction to 3d printing and its a great price. If It works half as well as I think it will I am sure it will be great!

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Like I said its bullet proof. Especially after you change the extruder, if you even have to. They keep that thing up to date like nothing else.

Myself I do not have a reason for anything bigger. I would just mill the bigger stuff from solid material.
You always need little spacer and shims and retainers this works great for those things. Printed a Door knob part a couple of weeks back.

Good cad software is everywhere now days, Fusion 360 ands E machine shop, and Heeks are the3 I use the most, mostly fusion 360.

Beats Duck tape and bubble gum for sure.

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Sorry can't comment on the subject at hand.

It's good so many innovative ideas being tested for this 3BGS setup. I want to add to this collective to finish this build. Thanks guys for all you are doing.

I'm still at it just very very slow.

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Been trying different things with the my1016 modified Matt motor. With 100į days here in South Carolina my shop times are limited.

It's for learning purposes only. Shorting the coils, collecting coil spikes, just curious ideas. Using work bench power supply it's much easier to test un-necessary ideas for curiosity sake.

Yes still nuking the coffee,
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Please don't feel obligated to keep this thread on life support. Both Matt and I are perfectly content to let it pass on to the great beyond. Those that want to hang out and let others do the work so they can see if someone else is successful before they stick their toe in the water don't deserve the help. Those that build for themselves have enough info to build a basic setup and see for themselves if this is for real or not. And I am pretty good about responding to people through email or PM if they have specific questions I am willing to answer.
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Ok. To the great bone yard of threads it goes. I'll be having coffee by myself with my thoughts unspoken.......

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Iím not telling you to stop. Iím just saying donít feel obligated to keep this going. If it strikes your fancy, go for it. You seem to be the only one posting.
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