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Old 12-26-2017, 03:50 PM
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Happy after Christmas to All,
Will be doing more test with simple 3BGS setup this week. Trying to get back to testing and understanding how to improve any part of the input and output of the system.

Every replication has pros and cons. I'm trying to get past the drawbacks to improve the output back into the system.

Will make a youtube later,
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Hello to All,
Just posted video of rail I added to the 3rd battery position to help the batteries in that position to discharge and charge equally as a friend suggested. So used some 1/2" copper pipe and placed along the sides of the bank and made all connectors same length.

It does take longer to adjust the balancing of the system but runs for very long periods without losing any voltage.

Again only powering shop lights and the motor at 7.5 amps or 109.5 watts. The overall system needs a larger motor/generator to power more output. This just a simple system with two boosters.

I do want to add a buck converter to aid in charging the primaries or the 3rd battery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl9mfHmJkNw

Hope the video is clear.
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I will find some fresh copper today and make my battery rails so they
are all the same length. I am using aluminum rails, maybe not as good.

The radiant I understand travels on the outside so I will use copper pipe
also and then do the best I can getting the connection points all about
the same distance.


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Wouldn't it be interesting if we established an email list of folks who actually BUILD THINGS so that if someone had a working free energy device they wanted to disclose, they could pop into a local library somewhere and dump the plans to everyone on that list at the same time? I know bringing a working device here to the forum is ONE way to get it out there, but being sure that the plans got out to a lot of folks all at once would be a pretty cool thing to have all set up in advance. People could create an email account JUST to have it listed on that list and not use it for anything else so that it would be fairly anonymous. Yes, they would run the risk of spam and bullcrap being sent to their new email address, but they could block anyone who did that. Just a thought. I know there are some folks who have some things they might want to share some day.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if we established an email list of folks who actually BUILD THINGS so that if someone had a working free energy device they wanted to disclose, they could pop into a local library somewhere and dump the plans to everyone on that list at the same time? I know bringing a working device here to the forum is ONE way to get it out there, but being sure that the plans got out to a lot of folks all at once would be a pretty cool thing to have all set up in advance. People could create an email account JUST to have it listed on that list and not use it for anything else so that it would be fairly anonymous. Yes, they would run the risk of spam and bullcrap being sent to their new email address, but they could block anyone who did that. Just a thought. I know there are some folks who have some things they might want to share some day.
Are you kidding? Of course you can put me on it. I am uploading vodeo
right now of the impacts of this simple change using bigger copper straps
ALL THE SAME LENGTH and how big of a change. Soon my generator head
will be set up with TESLA COILS (As if they were not there) or lenz free
coils. I am not a raid of anything, just skipping dinner.

It is good to hear from an old poster guy.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if we established an email list of folks who actually BUILD THINGS so that if someone had a working free energy device they wanted to disclose, they could pop into a local library somewhere and dump the plans to everyone on that list at the same time? I know bringing a working device here to the forum is ONE way to get it out there, but being sure that the plans got out to a lot of folks all at once would be a pretty cool thing to have all set up in advance. People could create an email account JUST to have it listed on that list and not use it for anything else so that it would be fairly anonymous. Yes, they would run the risk of spam and bullcrap being sent to their new email address, but they could block anyone who did that. Just a thought. I know there are some folks who have some things they might want to share some day.
Turion,
That's an interesting proposal. But how many are willing to actually build this device? How many would need to show actual video proof before some inventor open sourced a working device?

One would need to get these e-mails from individuals and compile that list. How?
Where?
I know of two here on this forum. I'm ready sign me up.
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new idea?

This is not a new idea, and has been proposed here before, several years ago, in fact. I was open to it then, as I am now. Many here either know of someone or have heard of someone being sabotaged or outright killed for attempting to bring free energy to the public. Many are either skeptical or even paranoid at such a suggestion. My suggestion would be tousle some kind of code, say some obscure code no one uses anymore, like morse code. It still wouldn't be safe, but it would require more time and effort to decipher it. I have information going back to at least 2000. Much of that information is no longer available on the internet or elsewhere. Some of it is downloaded on floppy discs, if you remember those. if it were set up on another server who was involved would be even better. Good luck. stealth
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I can not see how this can be done, other than someone make this list and distribute it to all the members of the list. I sent Dave my email address, in case he would like to make this list. Either Dave or anybody else all the same.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if we established an email list of folks who actually BUILD THINGS so that if someone had a working free energy device they wanted to disclose, they could pop into a local library somewhere and dump the plans to everyone on that list at the same time? I know bringing a working device here to the forum is ONE way to get it out there, but being sure that the plans got out to a lot of folks all at once would be a pretty cool thing to have all set up in advance. People could create an email account JUST to have it listed on that list and not use it for anything else so that it would be fairly anonymous. Yes, they would run the risk of spam and bullcrap being sent to their new email address, but they could block anyone who did that. Just a thought. I know there are some folks who have some things they might want to share some day.
To anyone who wants to be on this "list" that is only an idea at this point.

Please read the part that says "list of folks who ACTUALLY build things ". Knowing how the basic rule is here on this forum that if you replicate then you show proof of your work. Then those that are the inventors or started the thread will help you with your build.

Also there are two types of people that occupy this one planet our home. Those that want to make a difference for this mother earth, preserve what's left of it for our children's children. Take chances even if it is dangerous. Then there are the others that don't believe one person can change any of the above mentioned. Only will sit back and not try anything difficult or hard.

Which are you?

The danger here is not "the powers that be", but coming on this forum and finding educated engineers, smart builders, fully furnished shop owners, and trained specialist who just argue and pronounce you "wrong" or misleading. That's the danger - closed ignorance in brilliant minds.

What a shame.
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Arrow MY2016 Matt Motor

Looking back at the closed thread, there are quite a few who bought the MY1016 motor to modify it per Matt's instructions. Too bad not more of them shared long term about their experiments or if they even did the mods.

I just bought 2 of them - the 350 something watt ones. Matt posted somewhere that the only difference between the 250 watt versions is the wire size so they'll work fine.

This is the exact one: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...2F192406184087 only $30 with free shipping. Seller is in Washington state so hope I get them quick.

@Wantomake, you said: "Using 24 awg trifilar connected parallel 100 feet long. 40,30,30 turns on each side of rotor." To clarify, if you have 3 wires paralleled and you wind them together, are you then actually having 120, 90 and 90 turns? If so, they'll act as one larger gauge winding - just want to make sure.

1 pound of 24awg is only $16 something: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...SIN=B007OYG9HS

So grand total for the Matt Motor is $46 for a motor and wire plus effort - that's inexpensive for what it does.

@Matt - although the modified motor goes quite a bit faster for less input, does it have as much torque? Could it drive a scooter? It seems it may sacrifice torque for speed. However, if it is intended to drive a low drag generator, then it is suited for the task in addition to being the proper waveform generator as the load.

I've been looking to test a different motor on the Kromrey and I think this will work perfect for it. Also, to run the Kromrey in this exact same method that you all are doing here is what I've been moving toward but have only had time to do some testing and experimenting with the Kromrey as is.

The current motor is an old DC motor - whatever John put on there. Doing some mechanical work tests, it seems to be about 80% efficient, which is much better that I expected.

I originally wanted a ZFM as the driver since it is a pulsed motor, but short term, just don't have the time to make one in the middle of a big manufacturing project we have going on. Not enough hours in the day.

At the 2016 conference Peter showed his SG with the battery rotator and the low drag gen coils. We wound those Tesla bifilar pancake style but with maybe 10-12 windings in parallel where each top wire is connected to the bottom of the next and so forth - they really work well. So there are obviously various low drag generator methods that can be coupled with the pulsed Matt Motor.

I'll post some pics and/or vids of my motor mod when I get them. Will have to rewatch the vids - not sure if winding direction was specified.

I put out a post about this project you and Dave spearheaded in Energy Times today so hopefully a lot more people will take interest and that there are more builders to will share their work. And a big thanks to all of you who ARE sharing your work here - it is very encouraging!
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Turion,
That's an interesting proposal. But how many are willing to actually build this device? How many would need to show actual video proof before some inventor open sourced a working device?

One would need to get these e-mails from individuals and compile that list. How?
Where?
I know of two here on this forum. I'm ready sign me up.
wantomake
Keep in mind that at the Energy Science & Technology Conference, there have been quite a few exclusive disclosures by inventors who have kept their work private for years. They may have shared some openly before the conferences, but kept the magic recipe to themselves.

Jim Murray disclosed the Transforming Generator and Dynaflux Alternator technologies so anyone can replicate them and gave everyone the blessing to do what they want with them - he also included info that was left out of the patents. Paul Babcock revealed how his motor worked to fill in the gaps of what is not in his patent - it is still patent protected, but everyone can learn the principles and apply them in other variations as long as the patent claims aren't violated. Graham Gunderson showed the entire plans on one of his circuits that was barely over 1.0 COP, but that was just to prove the point but it's all fully disclosed.

They didn't wait for others to replicate their work for this to happen - simply, it is just the time to come out in the open about this work and that seemed to be the commonality. Of course they want to share it with people who are genuinely interested such as attendees at the conference or those who get the video presentations later. If others replicate it, great, if not, then they made a huge contribution to the knowledge base anyway. And of course this applies to healing technologies and other categories as well. Just my 2 cents.
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To clarify, if you have 3 wires paralleled and
you wind them together, are you then actually having 120, 90 and 90
turns? If so, they'll act as one larger gauge winding - just want to
make sure.

it is very encouraging!
From the corrections I have had on this question. 3 strands give
more surface area for the radiant to travel on and yes 3 wires will
also allow for more amp handling than 1 or should I say 3 is better than
one of the same amp handling.

The radiant needs bigger equal battery straps so all batteries are affected
not just the closest one. Again not amp talk, radiant talk.

The mod mtr differential when battery terminals are right tell many tales
of how this double north pole energizer talks to the charge pack. And the
run pack. I ran a normal scooter motor on the same power as the mod mtr
and any little bit of drag on the conventional winding sends the amp draw
skyrocketing. The mod mtr is not as bad.

When you look a mil spec's for copper wire you can see how the 3 strands
give more surface area than a single capable of running the same AMPS.

Glad to see you are coming on board. It's over and the fat
lady is singing.
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Closer look on this, I think the "Bad Battery" can be replaced with a Capacitor with a Transistor (BJT) parallel through a load with a base connected to a zener diode around 12v. or less... that's an easy test for me when I get home.
I also read somewhere in these pages that the bad battery is no longer needed though I might have overlook at what was the replacement for it...

It is really sad to see all the good guys go private....

because of bashing skeptics?..
because of non-building theorist?..
because of closed-minded experts?..
or simply because there are no-one left to communicate with..

Focus

before you go let me share to you a story that probably you can relate..

this thread has been up for longer than my membership on this forum..
though most of the videos are no longer available.. there are traces and steps to follow which links to other threads that contains good informations as well.. it should be good enough for anyone interested..

lastly..

Thank you for the Work that you guys have shared freely...
Have a Blessed New Year to you all..
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[QUOTE

It is really sad to see all the good guys go private....

because of bashing skeptics?..
because of non-building theorist?..
because of closed-minded experts?..
or simply because there are no-one left to communicate with..
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Sounds like something died, no, all the info is here for everyone to read.
The steps the inventors took and they are so far ahead of you and I
that we would only bog them down with our repeats.

Go back and read with faith that you have everything you need and
most of all never give up, never let doubt dominate your posts in some
sort of abandonment stooper.

The mod mtr can be wound with 1 strand or three and I have posted
multiple results for this validation. I am not gone. I will not leave and I
am not a good guy? What?

Wantomake is the best there is here, been at it the longest, tutored
by the inventor himself. What more do you want?

Remember this, action speak louder than words. The inventors have given
away free everything we need to have a working free energy device. I
don't care how grouchy some of them get, they are great souls.

Now once you get your mod mtr wound up with any number of strands
plus other small details that get you thinking radiant mixed with transients
that sends back energy to the run batteries and charge batteries with
huge amounts of mechanical left over, you have the first step.

You have a mod mtr that is a prime mover, spikes the packs gives and
keeps on giving like the inventors who bent over backwards to relate
all of the progress of learning.

Step 2

Either use a battery swapper or use boosters to keep the batteries
balanced out WHEN I REPEAT WHEN STEP #3 is completed.

Step 3

Build a lenz free multistrand series connected Tesla coil generator head
that helps the mod mtr rotate everytime you add one of these coils.

Probable 2 coils and you will have proved that we have all been fed a pack
of lies for generations.

The mod mtr already gives a near 2:1 cop for mechanical rotating
apparatus then as each generator coil is added the the energy generated
also assists the system. Robert Muller showed us how to space out
generator coils so cogging will disappear.

If you follow these steps you will have a cop of 20.
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Just a update on the 3BGS build.

Did finish the (smallest my1016 razor) modified Matt motor rewind. Using 24 awg trifilar connected parallel 100 feet long. 40,30,30 turns on each side of rotor. Ohms across each coil was at .04.

Pulls 0.7 +- amps without load. With generator(larger size mod. Matt motor) attached with couplings, the amp draw is 2.25. Heat is low after extended runs.
The couplings acts as small decent flywheel. A Drok dc to dc converter powers the prime mover to 18~20 volts. Haven't recorded rpm's yet.

All this information to replicate is already posted here and other threads.

I smoked first Drok converter by overcharging #3 and inverter batteries.

Comment please if you are building.
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Aaron,
Sorry I shouldn't have used the term trifilar. It was three wires run parallel and connected together at each end. Trifilar means connected where one wire ends to another that begins. My bad. I followed Matt's videos very closely and got close to the amperage he reported.

Sorry and hope this clears it up. There is only enough room on the rotor for the 100 feet of three wires. Also did the 40,30,30 turns on each side.

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It looks like the rock is finally rolling down the hill. There are a bunch of real stubborn people who best get out of the way. With more and more people building looped systems that they are pulling energy out of, it becomes harder and harder for the critics to explain this away. It has always amused me, and often frustrated me MORE to have working systems running on my bench while people with “experience” explained why my conclusions were wrong and I wasn’t seeing what I was looking right at.

But here’s the thing, and I have been saying this for a long time, but nobody has heard me. Maybe a few will hear me now, and years from now they will remember this. Because just maybe this is the right moment in history: The understanding we gain from WORKING 3 Battery Systems will fundamentally CHANGE our understanding of how electricity works and how we utilize it in our machines. Period By the end of 2018 you will have seen some amazing things.


1. The 3 Battery System requires a PULSE to work. The original diagram John B showed, which is a way to charge batteries that ham radio operators used in the 40’s and 50’s, won’t get you there without that pulse. No matter HOW hard you try.
2. It requires LARGE deep cycle batteries to eliminate as much resistance as possible.
3. It requires LARGE wires as short as possible
4. It requires at least 2.5 volts over the battery voltage and a PULSE to keep the batteries charging properly. So running four six volt batteries in series as your top end and 2 six volt batteries at the bottom DOESNT get you what you want.
5. The generator run by the motor should have coils wound to output 2.5 volts minimum above the batteries in series. Rewind to reduce the voltage to what you need, and increase the amps output.
6. Pull a load on battery three to keep it from charging too fast.
7. The load on the motor should be constant and you balance by adding or subtracting from the load on battery three.
8. If you read the beginning of this thread, I used to say I would add a small load to battery 3 and the motor would speed up (because you are pulling more amps through the motor by adding that load.) Then wait FIVE minutes. If the two are in balance the motor will speed up AGAIN, and that is when you know you are balanced. When the system is NOT balanced, either battery 3 will slowly go down or the primaries will. If battery 3 is going down, your load on it is too big. If the primaries are going down, the load on Battery 3 is too small. One thing you can use as PART of the load on battery 3 is another motor turning a generator controlled by a motor controller or potentiometer with really fine adjustments.
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Happy new year to dave and family. Plus to all the others that share daves wishes. I am no builder just a disabled wanna be. No understanding of electricity as is a scarey thing so i guess you could call me a lurker but have great respect for serious builders that don't go by what electrical engineers say has to happen. All my best wishes ron
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Happy New Year Ron. There's only 2 hours left in 2017 here on east coast. Not sure what 2018 will reveal. Don't want to be on this forum anymore. Haven't decided yet.

Will see what happens this next year.

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Good outline

Thanks Dave for good outline or summary of the 3BGS.

We've been stuck in 32 weather for few days and for next week or so. Not sure if can heat the ole shop or the battery bank in this cold.

Also will connect a buck converter to the system when it gets here Jan. 3rd.

Happy New Year and let's hope for good and prosperity for this time ahead.

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Thanks wanttomake already afternoon in the land downunder hope you still stay around love reading posts from descent people ron
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Ron,
If I can be of any help here then it will give me a reason to stay.

I've always loved the land downunder. You are in summer now correct? We are in the heart of winter and it will be close to freezing for a week or so.

I just may need to stay here to keep from going crazy during these cold slow days. My wife's family is in Japan so you may be same time period as they are.

We also have some Finnish born Australian friends that are full time missionaries in Japan, S. Korea and Okinawa. I have visiting your country on my bucket list. We'll be back in Okinawa this year in June for oldest daughter's high school reunion and to visit the church we planted there.

Wife's mom is getting up there in years so all our girls(3) will come with us to see her. Our girls grew up in Okinawa.

Sorry just drinking hot coffee and musing on this new year.

If you want to build this setup, let me know how I can help. I know it's not cheap but worth every penny. Which I just read you guys don't use any more.

Have a good year.
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This is not a new idea, and has been proposed here before, several years ago, in fact. I was open to it then, as I am now. Many here either know of someone or have heard of someone being sabotaged or outright killed for attempting to bring free energy to the public. Many are either skeptical or even paranoid at such a suggestion. My suggestion would be tousle some kind of code, say some obscure code no one uses anymore, like morse code. It still wouldn't be safe, but it would require more time and effort to decipher it. I have information going back to at least 2000. Much of that information is no longer available on the internet or elsewhere. Some of it is downloaded on floppy discs, if you remember those. if it were set up on another server who was involved would be even better. Good luck. stealth
Grew up in mob run Detroit
The kids traffic and idolize the Drug Lords, they are all racist foreigners
who hate white people. They run Detroit. The military is using EM weapons
that call upon nature to vaporize many metric tonnes of solid steel with
only a small electrical popgun.

The EM Weapons activate other forces of free energy so this stuff is here
for those with eyes to see. Sure you start advertising that you will never
need big oil anymore like Bill Alek you will be approached. Maybe that is
what some do to get attention. An offer they can't refuse, run with a
few bucks.

However if you market your innovation as an add-on to improve already
in place systems and not like some mental case, freaking lunatic with
delusions of Godhood, you can turn a profit. You don't have
to like our world the way it is, even the guys I know inside
hate it, yet as long as peeps don't do something stupid, there will
be no problem.

Everyone can have a small piece of the pie, very small trust me but that
tiny portion is still millions. People have hundreds of thousands tied up in
solar and wind that uses large battery banks. Many people are getting out
of the wind because the prices to maintain systems that ruin batteries
by either leaving them at low charges or other. These systems might
solve some of these problems.

There are a lot of big names invested who manufacture solar, batteries
and wind energy devices, they would welcome the help because this
would increase their sales output.

Having all balls and no brains will definitely get you dead. The mob members
don't want to do it.

Now where can I find these old documents.

Another note:

I ran the 3 battery generating system new years eve and in the area
of the upper part of the battery curve from 12.90V RESTING to 12.55v
resting I ran the mod mtr without a genny 4 hrs. the point drop for the
enitre 4 hr run was 21 points. Or approx 5 point drop or a .05 drop of
voltage on the meter.

This was at an approx 1500ma to 1600ma drain showing a differential of
13.5v with the recharge booster recirculating 3.6a -3.7a at 26.5v

When other devices are run such as an inverter or another conventionally
wound motor like Luc uses the point drop is double or over double every
single run.

So figuring out how many joules are being recirculated during a 4 hr run
would be to multiple the average charge battery voltage by the 3.65amps

OR

12.5v X 3.65a = 45watts X 3600 seconds = 162,000J /hr X 4hr = 648,000J

Now we need to adjust this figure to a 90% value OR

648,000 X .9 = 583,200J effectively reaching the battery and 64,800J
lost in the friction. And then the drive booster must be calculated and
has smaller losses.

Even these small losses can be minimized further by using better boosters.

Next i ran the system exactly the same voltages resting hours later.

Start Volts 12.55v and ending resting 12.34v

Over a 4 hr run this time the point drop was 15 points.

This portion of the battery curve has a higher current density per .01v
and the drop was a little less than .04 per hour of my runs. I am more
often at 16.8v going to the drive booster and when this is connected
to my lenz free generator head will run 2 amps like it did before.





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Balance?

BM,
If you have a lenzless generator, two boosters in place, and correct size load, then there should be no decrease in battery bank voltages.

Balancing the system according to the output of the generator. At least that's worked for me. This week I'll be adding a buck converter to get some better performance, if done correctly. It was 12 F this morning, so this freezing weather will slow things a few days.

One thing I learned is not to depend on the battery bank power, but rather the generator and components output.

Get a good balance to maintain a steady not decreasing battery voltage. That's the goal of this system. Operate a system inside the system.

Use the Force Luke.......
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Hey
My winder finally
got a counter installed on it, then I covered it up to protect it from the
elements outdoors. When the weather breaks I'll start thinking about
how to wind a coil to have it deliver at least 2.5volts MORE than the series
run batteries at 27v. Now that's the one that is blowing my mind.

The reason? Any coil I have ever wound, especially over a couple hundred
feet produces or will show a static voltage of as much as 200volts. As
you may recall in last years experiment I was running 800v with that
fine wire (29awg) that left me with an infinitesimal amounts of amps.

So I get that I need to rewind for good amps. My new cores are going
to be different. I have to say I thought about you when I wind because
we will not get the rest of the way without a good GenHead. I saw your
wheel chair motor idea and hope she works out. I am a giver and wish you
well. The Drok you use is a good choice. I finally saw that post.

It's a wonder I can find my head with both hands some days.

Okay looking at the size of 2 lenz free Genheads teaches us a bunch.
Look at Turion-man's, he thinks his not good enough because he wants
to get more out of it in AMPS. He over came cogging and I have no idea
what he did, all I know on cogging is what I saw Mr Konzen show last
year of Muller.

Rewind for amps, rewind for volts. I just don't know anything about it.
I did get a roll of 25awg and so my voltages will be lower and the amps
will be higher. According to the head honcho 2 coils (if wound right) can
be used as a substitute for B1 & B2 run. Then any additional coils will
add more power to the charge batt's and you will need to burn the excess
in order to keep you battery from burning up. Then just use caps (switch)
taking out the battery 3.

Now you have it all. GenHead coils can be the size of motor blocks and
power a small city or in my case the size of a tennis ball. Of course we
would not start where I just described but we want to know where we
are going.

Now look at Thane Heins HEAD.

Thane has 2 sections of plexiglass spaced out to drop coils into slots.
His prime mover runs several hundred watts in some tests and is not
a size proportionate choice for our inky dinky scooter motors.

So I am formulating size. I did reduce a 2 amp prime mover load down
to 1.5amps with a single coil and getting 20 watts out of it at a voltage
I could not use. I am going to get there, my hand is going to sleep
typing (the one fingered typist)

Stay tuned and primed and look to the new year with excitement as we
together can beat this dead horse to death till we get yer all whipped into
submission.

PS Hey my fire is going out like the movie "THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW"
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Not normal for SC.

BM,
This cold is very early for upstate SC. We usually get this cold around end of Jan. and start of Feb. Had snow already and we may get one snow a year if lucky. Unlucky. Let's not compare cold weather experiences. I was stationed for two years in upstate New York 30 miles from Canada !!!! -40 below with the wind blowing across Lake Champlain. It had to warm up to snow. Haha

Yes I feel your pain with the the coil winding. I've been testing coils with cores or without and different number of wires- single, bifilar, trifilar, all the way up to 12 wires in parallel or worse and more difficult, the parallel series connected wound coils. And being self-taught in this electronic field, the capacitance, induction, or conduction of coils is a science all to hard to understand unless you have hands on testing.

https://artojh.wordpress.com/2012/08...i-filar-coils/

Above site is where I studied about multi-filar windings. I can't teach just suggest an idea or way.

I even tried a 6 filar wire in parallel winding on a Modified Matt my1016 motor. Yes it was only a few turns per side and took 6 amps to run it. But for some reason it ran high rpm's and charged the #3 up very fast. But heat got it very quickly. But I repented and went back to exact modification specs that pulled exact .07 amps no load. And 2.3 to 2.8 amps with generator coupled to it. Motor wise I understand to winding specs now.

The generator is a different coil and challenge. The lenzless effect is placement/number of magnets and coils. That wheel chair genny has 32 magnets around the stator, but the rotor has one less(forgot will check) or one more rotor pole that only lines up four poles at a magnet at a time. You can spin it with little effort. The complete one will produce 70 +-VDC with enough amperage to charge 10 marine battery bank at low rpm. I did that with an old Briggs and Stratton 5 hp 90% water 10% gas fumes. The neighbors called me crazy since that day. So I refitted (not a secret) the carburetor on a tiller and tilled the ground in front of my shop with gas fumes only. I got crazy looks but a lot of respect after that. Just needed proof that gas fumes will produce hp too.

Wow a little off subject there,
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I moved the SC winter 95 and it went blizzard and I asked the guys
I worked with "Is it always like this I thought...........) and they swore
I must have brought it with me from car town where it gets just like
you say. Don't miss it at all. I left in 2002. Lived near WALTERBORO
in a town called Canadays.

Anyway the weather can be crazy just about anywhere in the east.

That 32 mag genhead is a cool little motor. I don't know if you can fit
enough wire in the area they give to get it to speed up under load and
still give good power. It would be really great if you could.

Here is what I know about coils from Thane and Turion plus me winding
them and testing. I ran into the null zone, which according to Dave is
where he runs because you get the most power back. The zone using
29awg is far longer than bigger wire I think but we will as I am going to
25awg. Reason i say this is that it took 6-9 strands of 170' lengths on a
24 strand coil.

Along about the 8th or 9th strand you could tell it sped up just a wee bit.

So what is 9 X 170' ? well let's see 9 X 170 = 1500 feet of wire but as
know can't be just one long section. My next winding should give me
something to compare with but 23awg is suggested by the boss.

But that only applies to that big machine of his.

Ours is smaller. That 32 magnet motor might have enough room for
1000' of wire? Or better? Might need to be fine wire but whatever it
takes to get power without pulling down the Mod Mtr.

Otherwise you will need a Briggs.

Thane run high RPM's 3500-4000 to keep his coils smaller

Dave runs huge coils at 2500 rpm's but something is drastically missing
here as Thanes coils appear to be 1/4 the size of Dave's. I think I
found the answer.

Thanks 4 the link, always like a good read.


PS I am back to tell you I have never seen that info before. Mind blowing
goodies, will be giving everyone my take of it this year.
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To All,
Visited Lowe's for prices of materials to start building the more advanced generator Turion just posted a book about.

Will start with finished 3/4" plywood $16 for (1) 2 ft x 4 ft x 3/4" piece.
(1) 7/16 " x 2 ft threaded rod for $2.88 ea. Also will use 1/2" x 2ft threaded to hold the two halfs of plywood that houses the rotor with magnets on it.
Will use the smaller of my two mods as prime mover attached to one plywood with threaded rod coupled to it. Of course nuts, washers, etc will add to the build also.

My rotor will be 10" to 12" in diameter with 10 magnets in drilled(shallow) holes (glued) around the perimeter of the rotor. My first rotor will be 1/2" to 3/8" thick acrylic (not sure the proper name) that will be a cutting board from Walmart $10 or so. Or I'll order from online a 12" x 12" piece. Price?. I will have a protective shield built around the rotor in case of magnet projectiles try to harm me. Learned that lesson long time ago. Also orient the machine spin to your left and right, not toward you. DUH !!!!!(That was me after being shot at by magnets not secured to high rpm rotor) Not funny....

This is by no means the correct or safest way to build this lenzless or "use the lenz to attract/propel the magnet" generator. No. You build as you see best for you. I'm retired, using my own time, monies, studying patents, other posters builds, and facing my own failures and hardships. BUT, you must start somewhere to reach a set goal.

Other humans on this Planet are my main purpose to exist and especially why I post here. Please be safe. I care about you.

Not sure of the time table here and how I'll video this for youtube. My new iphone 8 really has poor video pixels for some reason.

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Dave runs huge coils at 2500 rpm's but something is drastically missing
here as Thanes coils appear to be 1/4 the size of Dave's. I think I
found the answer.
BM,
The 32 mag wheelchair motor is indeed small rotor slots for large coils. But I noticed Thane had small coils on a "U" shaped core that looked like transformer lamination or silicon steel. The rotor had magnets on both sides that would pass north then south through the "U" core. You know this I'm sure. So I thought to try a similar idea but different orientation for magnet and coils.

But that will be on back burner for now. I want to try the modified Dave generator first.

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Hello.

The Turion design has two huge copper coils, one on each side of the
north and south pole of a single magnet on a rotor, like Thanes beginning
developmental that was later flux connected with a HUGE strap of
transformer steel that span the entire distance from one side of the
massive magnet pole to the opposite.

Again just another design addition that evolved into a single coil instead
of two on a "U" shaped core. The one with the most copper mass wins
when you want a self regulating machine for a wide variety of loads that
you may connect to it such as a Honda yard generator gets.

Their are many more characteristics we could go pertaining to the Turion
Genhead. The single coil on a "C" core gets hit on both ends at the same
time and operates at a higher frequency that requires less copper if the
RPM and Frequency are right. It would not be so self regulating like a yard
generator needs to be.

Both coils speed up the rotor when called upon to delivery electrical power.

Last year Turion told the group of us speaking directly to me that his
big 23awg coils had 24 strands. He said he has experimented with his
coils by connecting them parallel series. One day said he came to a pattern
he liked that put 12 strands in parallel, then the last set of 12 wires he
connected them up in parallel, then he connected those two 12 strand
bundles in series with each other.

This is only good info for his build, may not work at all for you but this
means Turion was able to reach the null point at only 240 feet and bring
a lot of amps home. But you and I may need 500 feet to reach the null
so if that were true we would need to put 4 sets of 6 strands in series.

Now Thane doesn't talk like that, he says he has a motor coil and generator
coil all on the same spool. I can only speculate that because 2 wire stick
out on his coils how he really has them inside. It is a secret. Thane shows
or demonstrates his stuff has a coil he passes around but he very careful
to keep track that the coil does not get held for long or talked about.

It is a secret, but after you posted that connection diagram study I see
that inner and outer coils on a single spool are shown so much exploration
in all of these areas is needed. We are going to need a team of willing
people to see what is possible or best suited for the task.

Now tuning and balancing just took on a lifetime of adventuring.

Have fun coiling.
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BM,
There will always be secrets but no answers. You must find those answers yourself is always the old master saying to the young apprentice.

I will be exploring this coil design more on my own to determine which is correct.

In that movie "The Last Samurai" the kid says "too many minds" or too much thinking with too many different masters and ideas. It's best to just build and sort it out yourself, which is what I will do.

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