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Old 11-29-2017, 03:47 PM
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The modified Matt motor will run between the positives. When tuned properly you can use it to run loads and IF you rotate the batteries, you can use it to turn a generator and have a SERIOUSLY COP>3 System.

Alternatively, you can use that same tuned motor with two boost modules and NOT have to rotate the batteries.

Get a system working with this system before you go making changes. You need to study the wave form you see across battery 3 with your scope until you see it in your sleep.

If you are going to replace that motor with an inverter, an electric toaster or a vibrator, you BETTER see that same wave form across battery 3 or it ain’t going to work! We gave you all two different ways of using that motor that work, and now we have all kinds of people who don’t know what they are doing trying stuff we never talked about. Carroll has TWICE posted the battery rotating circuit and people are still asking if anybody knows how to do that.

Too many people here are too damn lazy to read through these threads and learn from them. They want to jump to the last post, build a circuit others have worked for years to develop, and whine if it doesn’t work first time. Maybe if they had done the research they would know WHY it doesn’t work and HOW to fix it. I have no sympathy. All of what I know I learned from building things and blowing things up. Studying old patents and reading through threads that were hundreds of pages long, not just once, but several times because I would remember that someone had said something that applied and go looking for it.

Aside from that, there are the one or two MILLION things that Matt showed me that he had already figured out.
Hey Turion,
Just reading these old post and wanted to update for any if any that’s interested in this project.

I have my setup running the mod Matt motor/generator that loops back to the 3BGS plus keeps inverter batteries charged up. First real success for me with this setup.

I use the buffer battery and works ok parallel to the #3 . So I’ll rewind the prime mover today for lower amp draw and noise.
Will post more later,
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:54 AM
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Just want to say how much i appreciate the knowledge turion dave and and matt have shared. These special gentlemen should be thanked a lot more than they have .
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Just want to say how much i appreciate the knowledge turion dave and and matt have shared. These special gentlemen should be thanked a lot more than they have .
Ron,
True. But there's hardly any true builders that I've seen. I'm still trying to get all the parts together for good long runs.

I had a power outage last week. A local transformer sounded like a bomb that woke up our sleepy country area. We ran lights and laptops until power was restored. But thats only a few watts for 2 hours only.

How is your setup doing?

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Old 12-05-2017, 08:28 PM
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update

Just a update on the 3BGS build.

Did finish the (smallest my1016 razor) modified Matt motor rewind. Using 24 awg trifilar connected parallel 100 feet long. 40,30,30 turns on each side of rotor. Ohms across each coil was at .04.

Pulls 0.7 +- amps without load. With generator(larger size mod. Matt motor) attached with couplings, the amp draw is 2.25. Heat is low after extended runs.
The couplings acts as small decent flywheel. A Drok dc to dc converter powers the prime mover to 18~20 volts. Haven't recorded rpm's yet.

All this information to replicate is already posted here and other threads.

I smoked first Drok converter by overcharging #3 and inverter batteries.

Comment please if you are building.
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If you want to keep your boosters try this.

The heat here gets to be about 110 degrees so anything over
2 watts warms up and the semiconductors start stalling right
away if you run a couple of amps without cooling.

I also bought 10X step down tiny's for a $1 each so i can feed my
meter perfect numbers. Don't forget to you need to move the adjusting
screw very little to peg the nettle.

The fan runs about 6v on a 12v source and at 14.5v about the same, if
you go up to a 26v source the voltage is somewhere around 10v
depending on your fan. The fan runs forever at 6v, the whole thing
takes about 65ma for the fan.

The switch puts the tiny amp gauge in and out of the circuit for
times of adjustment. This can also be used as a power supply that
is adjustable for a very low cost.






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I do understand it takes time for an "idea" to develop into a viable build for anyone. We all have short patience sometimes. In college it was often disheartening to hear the lack of education in the younger generation sitting around the room. In highschool I was a low GPA score. But mine was higher than the upcoming generation with a lack of good educational schools these days.


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Old 12-06-2017, 09:56 PM
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Matt or Dave,
Is this the schematic to connect the boost converter?

I have been powering the prime mover with the booster. Then charging High side with voltage from generator. Just got replacement and want to use it correctly and safely.

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Possible boost circuit.pdf
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:48 AM
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@ wantomake.
Here are official schematics from 1Dave, 2Matt and 1Bobfrench, which is basic all the same way.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Turion #683 Boost Circuit.jpg (34.9 KB, 79 views)
File Type: jpg Matthew Jones #1072 slide2.jpg (77.1 KB, 78 views)
File Type: jpg Matthew Jones #1486 Diagram1.jpg (192.6 KB, 76 views)
File Type: jpg bobfrench@fastmail.fm #1095 3BGS Test Measuring.jpg (216.3 KB, 73 views)
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@ wantomake.
Here are official schematics from 1Dave, 2Matt and 1Bobfrench, which is basic all the same way.
Liber63,
Thanks. I went with the first schematic. But will add more as parts arrive.

Are you replicating? There's nobody to discuss notes with that has a work in progress.

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Old 12-09-2017, 01:32 PM
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yes, my friend. I have replicated it with a 400watt inverter and small loads as i only used (a lot of)car batteries, and yes it worked as advertised! Definitely, am going to try Matt's modmotor with a flywheel and some sort of generator i haven't yet decide, but for now i'm putting together a small solar system with deep cycle batteries together with the system above, as Bobfrench did. Small system altogether but with great advantage. Don't have notes as I experimented almost a year ago. But its pretty straightforward for people like me if they only have the patience to tune it. I honor Matt and Dave.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:41 PM
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yes, my friend. I have replicated it with a 400watt inverter and small loads as i only used (a lot of)car batteries, and yes it worked as advertised! Definitely, am going to try Matt's modmotor with a flywheel and some sort of generator i haven't yet decide, but for now i'm putting together a small solar system with deep cycle batteries together with the system above, as Bobfrench did. Small system altogether but with great advantage. Don't have notes as I experimented almost a year ago. But its pretty straightforward for people like me if they only have the patience to tune it. I honor Matt and Dave.
Liber63,
Not literally "notes" but your experience and ideas with this build.

The "main" piece of this machine is the modified Matt motor. I have medium size as a generator. The prime mover is the smallest size razor motor. His motor with the 3BGS is the combination that works. Both motor/generator are wound to Matthews specs. My battery bank(marine batteries) for my solar system is connected in this setup. It's a small solar setup but powers my shop. I've a switch to charge the bank with solar until I start running test. Then switch off solar and run test.

It's simple setup for me but is good starting place to learn.

Snowed in today, early for the south, but will just drink coffee and study.
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Old 12-09-2017, 04:35 PM
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I know that Matt's modified motor is in the heart of this system if you want to do serious work. But even without it the system is still profitable.
Dave used to say all batteries should be topped off. That was little difficult for me to sustain a good balance, (with my kind of batteries) and not have the 3rd battery overcharged. But when I first drained just a little the third battery(-ies), i was able to sustain long runs like 2, 3 hours without anything moving up or down. I mean 0,01 or 0,02volt doesn't mean much. And always, if prime lost ,01 or ,02, the third combo battery(-ies) would have gain that, the same amount. All measured at least 4 hours later. Used to use two boosters as in Matt's schematics for that.
As far as I remember Mathew never gave specs for generator in public, only for motor. I think Dave said Mat would do that only to some few people they trusted. Is this, that kind of Matt generator that you use, or is it Matt's modified motor put as a generator?
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Old 12-09-2017, 04:54 PM
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I know that Matt's modified motor is in the heart of this system if you want to do serious work. But even without it the system is still profitable.
Dave used to say all batteries should be topped off. That was little difficult for me to sustain a good balance, (with my kind of batteries) and not have the 3rd battery overcharged. But when I first drained just a little the third battery(-ies), i was able to sustain long runs like 2, 3 hours without anything moving up or down. I mean 0,01 or 0,02volt doesn't mean much. And always, if prime lost ,01 or ,02, the third combo battery(-ies) would have gain that, the same amount. All measured at least 4 hours later. Used to use two boosters as in Matt's schematics for that.
As far as I remember Mathew never gave specs for generator in public, only for motor. I think Dave said Mat would do that only to some few people they trusted. Is this, that kind of Matt generator that you use, or is it Matt's modified motor put as a generator?
Liber63,
I'm only using Matt modified motor as generator. I don't have the finances or knowledge to build the monster Dave has built. He has a lenz free generator which I believe he gave instructions here and there to build it. I've learned if you increase generator size, you must increase prime mover size, battery size, booster size, etc. I'm not ready for all that. It's about balance.

But I've not seen Matt's generator details yet.

wantomake
PS: Think about it. All they've freely given us already is enough to power anything you want. I'm not greedy so the system I have is enough to build larger and power more. Just balance. It's all documented here FOR FREE !!!
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Old 12-10-2017, 04:06 PM
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2nd boost converter

Got the 2nd boost converter yesterday and plan to install it today.

It takes time and understanding to balance this system to do work and loop back on itself. I care nothing for the COP of this unit or OU.

My plan and/or goal is to simply have a back up if the grid fails during storms, maintenance (transformers), etc.

At this point I'm studying to see which component bares the stress of this system. Which component actually will burn up first. Motor, generator, boosters, inverter, or the batteries. So far the booster has smoked twice now but they are only $12 each. Only two in last two years which is low count for me. But still that takes time to get new ones in. Overcharging the battery bank is largest failure thus far.

Balance as one correspondent has instructed my curious mind,
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:35 AM
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Balancing

Connected second booster today into the setup to see what happens.

The balancing involved was a pain but is doable. I've learned that there's a way to keep the primaries charged and maintain voltage in the #3 charging battery at same time. But, more than running the lights in my shop, it's a great learning system.

I appreciate the effort from Matthew and Dave to post all this information and leave it here for any to follow and replicate.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:01 PM
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2018 and beyond?

To All,

I do understand the frustrations of non participation of so many good minds to replicate here. Matthew and Dave have poured out all the details to get this system on your bench to start your own journey to freedom to whatever you want with it.

I'm a former teacher and missionary church builder for Japan. I've seen non participation up close and very personal. But I knew if one person would follow then that one could change five and five would change twenty five. That's the mission here to show/present to the audience and let that one person take it from there. I did get one and two to follow and left the building to them. In Japan I'm sure. We go every year or so to see what one has grown into. Amazing.

It's my last month on this thread. Either others will continue here or not.

I will be so busy with this 3BGS on a larger scale next year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE5rzLVNQD4
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Old 12-14-2017, 01:43 PM
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Balancing

To All if any,
The balancing between primaries and charge side , or high and low side is important. If not balanced the potential difference will decrease to unsafe operations levels.

The converters must be adjusted until the PD levels out. That's not the only problem or adjustment needed. The amp settings must be done also, which is taking much adjustments.

The motor/generator setup must be properly coupled and aligned to stop additional amperage draw.

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The balancing between primaries and charge side , or high and low side is important. If not balanced the potential difference will decrease to unsafe operations levels.

The converters must be adjusted until the PD levels out. That's not the only problem or adjustment needed. The amp settings must be done also, which is taking much adjustments.

The motor/generator setup must be properly coupled and aligned to stop additional amperage draw.

wantomake
great video, you are a winner. I agree, when my generator shaft was not
perfect it caused me drag somewhere around 200ma sometimes.

On the PD balancing, some boost converters have constant current
controls but like you are pointing out, that is not the end of adjustments.
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Holiday cheer and slow down

To All,
This is the time of holiday season and less attention toward projects and testing. I could shut myself in the shop for hours but life still needs attention.

I want to expand on the 3BGS build with a larger generator and prime mover. This will off-set the balance of the system at present. But that's a story for later.

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Latest video on YT.
Sorry for the poor quality. My daughter is trying hard to catch me up to this 21ST century. No LOL.
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Sorry for the poor quality. My daughter is trying hard to catch me up to this 21ST century. No LOL.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaF6yOHw2-I&t=3s
great work, you are a winner, got a good coach.

What is the fwbr for? The Motor? or Generator?
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The generator. It puts outs about 28-35 volts. According to the RPM's. Through the FWBR of course.

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To All and some,
Tried a different and good setup arrangement yesterday with the 3BGS. I saw this Turion setup on YouTube.

It worked better than I anticipated. First balancing the high and low sides, then tried to get longer sustainable power from the charged battery #3. Moved (2) of 8 total batteries over from 2nd and 1st position to the #3 charging position. Total of 6 parallel charge and 1 single #2 and #1.

Then for test reasons didn't use the prime mover motor booster. As system was started the motor was using 13 volts on meter. But the motor speed increased as #2 and #1 charged up. Then the motor was using 14-15 volts. At same time #3 was steady. Only the motor amps and shop lights were powered by the system. Not the neighborhood houses or a factory. But it was self looping and powering the motor and shop lights.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQucEBoe44w
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Looks very interesting. Lot of time and money.
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Old 12-20-2017, 05:39 PM
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Looks very interesting. Lot of time and money.
Yes lots of study, research, time, financial....but that free feeling that I can power something that friends graciously helped me to build;

PRICELESS !!!!!!

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Yes lots of study, research, time, financial....but that free feeling that I can power something that friends graciously helped me to build;

PRICELESS !!!!!!

wantomake
BTW that is a 900watt inverter.


Dang you are going to have to burn off some of that power. 14.2v is
high. I am glad to see this video, it shows that your balancing worked.

So long Sir
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Hi wantomake.
I am sorry didn't quite understand where you had inverter connected to. Is it at the third bat(6 batteries)? I suppose it is there, as you have moved the first booster. So if that's so, then at first you were balancing between the load of the third battery and the load of the motor, as we used to do in previous years, when we used bad batteries. Am I right?
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Yes off third battery. And balance the system.

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That's great wantomake! Do you have any load on the generator on the other side? or do you have it just running unloaded?
I will try the same with of the self motors i have around, to see what happens.
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That's great wantomake! Do you have any load on the generator on the other side? or do you have it just running unloaded?
I will try the same with of the self motors i have around, to see what happens.
liber63,
I'll only tell you what's already posted by Turion and Matthew on this and other threads concerning the 3BGS setup.

You must follow the instructions they provided for free. I've spent much time studying these threads with note taking, spent monies, tests, failures, etc. All the answers are posted. Not trying to be rude. Just please understand if you want this to be successful build then you must go the same route I did.

What reason would a generator be used for? To loop back to the system? To power a load? Try it and be amazed at the answer.

In other words build as they stated and follow their path. Nobody here believed them. That's why I'll be done posting here come Jan. 1st. Why did Turion and Matt leave ? Can you blame them? No.

Again I hope you can build it and enjoy. Have a good Holiday.
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That's why I'll be done posting here come
Jan. 1st.

Have a good Holiday.
wantomake
Have a good one Wantomake, I see that you will be leaving us after
you were able to finally make it work. Not many are interested anyway,
like you say all they have is insulting disbelief. it is a shame but that is
the way it is at the top, it's lonely.

May God Bless you, I hope i wasn't to hard on everyone, the way I talk
down, but remember this, being put on the spot keeps people thinking.



You are the winner as you said because of those who
have come to your side. I hope all goes well for you and the very few
others who will follow this path in the next 10 years. Most are unable
to understand this stuff.

Also remember one more thing. There are lurkers who want this all handed
to them on a platter so they can hire a few flunkies to build it then never
give any credit to the people who they stole it from. We can't allow that.

I will be working on my lenz free generator head so let me know how
yours turns too.

Either way it has been fun. Fair thee well, so long.
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