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Old 11-12-2017, 02:10 PM
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Bromikey,
I do understand it takes time for an "idea" to develop into a viable build for anyone. We all have short patience sometimes. In college it was often disheartening to hear the lack of education in the younger generation sitting around the room. In highschool I was a low GPA score. But mine was higher than the upcoming generation with a lack of good educational schools these days.

My point is your educational background or input here should never be an issue on an "free energy" forum. We are ALL here to learn and build. How boring and unorganized if you had only Phd's, Engineers and "know-it-all" running every thread.

Give me the common man and I'll conquer any army, build any machine, move every mountain - together.

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Old 11-22-2017, 11:48 PM
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The modified Matt motor will run between the positives. When tuned properly you can use it to run loads and IF you rotate the batteries, you can use it to turn a generator and have a SERIOUSLY COP>3 System.

Alternatively, you can use that same tuned motor with two boost modules and NOT have to rotate the batteries.

Get a system working with this system before you go making changes. You need to study the wave form you see across battery 3 with your scope until you see it in your sleep.

If you are going to replace that motor with an inverter, an electric toaster or a vibrator, you BETTER see that same wave form across battery 3 or it ain’t going to work! We gave you all two different ways of using that motor that work, and now we have all kinds of people who don’t know what they are doing trying stuff we never talked about. Carroll has TWICE posted the battery rotating circuit and people are still asking if anybody knows how to do that.

Too many people here are too damn lazy to read through these threads and learn from them. They want to jump to the last post, build a circuit others have worked for years to develop, and whine if it doesn’t work first time. Maybe if they had done the research they would know WHY it doesn’t work and HOW to fix it. I have no sympathy. All of what I know I learned from building things and blowing things up. Studying old patents and reading through threads that were hundreds of pages long, not just once, but several times because I would remember that someone had said something that applied and go looking for it.

Aside from that, there are the one or two MILLION things that Matt showed me that he had already figured out.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:18 AM
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Waveform

Hello Turion

I have burned up one small toy inverter and 1 sssg and 1 900watt
booster, I guess I am well on my way. When I went to school for
refrigeration as a student I ruined thousands of dollars of equipment
learning. When I began fixing digital appliances I ruined everything I
touched just trying anything.

I have not poured any motor blocks but I know a few guys who have
up north in car town, it cost real money to learn everything. I have
found that by using a cheap $5 circuit i can save money til I get the
idea better.

Dummy me hooked up an SSSG Osc to to drive the inverter I am
still getting a good laugh at myself. I just ordered 2 more so 4 boost
converters on the way. Two of them are $3 and two of them are $5
and if I smoke them learning, it's okay.

Naturally this stuff is on my mind all day but I have only assimilated a
small portion of the entire digest. You did it right for tho as you pointed
out how people should make small adjustments and my digital $5
circuit can do that. It is the common ground type and may not work
at all but for me burning $5 on circuits is more fun than a pack of those
nasty cigs.

But the waveform? Still hunting for the picture of that scope shot.
Would be nice to find.

However when the road to success if mapped out the average young
person will be able to see an entire drawing with spec's all on one page
and see what is generally expected of them without reading all of the
splattered details on all of the related threads. Then re read them all again
including every patent and then try to guess on the placement for each
fact.

I am a freaking genius god for eating text books and I have to say this
subject has been a complete and total nightmare to put into perspective.

Not everyone can pour a motor block, not everyone can build an automobile
without anyone to help them and that is a well known, not only the subject
but the idea.

It is no wonder hardly a soul can follow and be sure they are even close.
We are looking for a specific brand of persons who know everything and
are trying to build something without a vocabulary, a sort of smoke signal
style.

Even now i am just getting to the place where I feel I have understood
part of the information. The only way I move foreword is when you talk

I hope this works out because I can set it and it won't run up past 16v
and blow my inverter


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Old 11-29-2017, 03:47 PM
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The modified Matt motor will run between the positives. When tuned properly you can use it to run loads and IF you rotate the batteries, you can use it to turn a generator and have a SERIOUSLY COP>3 System.

Alternatively, you can use that same tuned motor with two boost modules and NOT have to rotate the batteries.

Get a system working with this system before you go making changes. You need to study the wave form you see across battery 3 with your scope until you see it in your sleep.

If you are going to replace that motor with an inverter, an electric toaster or a vibrator, you BETTER see that same wave form across battery 3 or it ain’t going to work! We gave you all two different ways of using that motor that work, and now we have all kinds of people who don’t know what they are doing trying stuff we never talked about. Carroll has TWICE posted the battery rotating circuit and people are still asking if anybody knows how to do that.

Too many people here are too damn lazy to read through these threads and learn from them. They want to jump to the last post, build a circuit others have worked for years to develop, and whine if it doesn’t work first time. Maybe if they had done the research they would know WHY it doesn’t work and HOW to fix it. I have no sympathy. All of what I know I learned from building things and blowing things up. Studying old patents and reading through threads that were hundreds of pages long, not just once, but several times because I would remember that someone had said something that applied and go looking for it.

Aside from that, there are the one or two MILLION things that Matt showed me that he had already figured out.
Hey Turion,
Just reading these old post and wanted to update for any if any that’s interested in this project.

I have my setup running the mod Matt motor/generator that loops back to the 3BGS plus keeps inverter batteries charged up. First real success for me with this setup.

I use the buffer battery and works ok parallel to the #3 . So I’ll rewind the prime mover today for lower amp draw and noise.
Will post more later,
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:54 AM
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Just want to say how much i appreciate the knowledge turion dave and and matt have shared. These special gentlemen should be thanked a lot more than they have .
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:05 PM
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Just want to say how much i appreciate the knowledge turion dave and and matt have shared. These special gentlemen should be thanked a lot more than they have .
Ron,
True. But there's hardly any true builders that I've seen. I'm still trying to get all the parts together for good long runs.

I had a power outage last week. A local transformer sounded like a bomb that woke up our sleepy country area. We ran lights and laptops until power was restored. But thats only a few watts for 2 hours only.

How is your setup doing?

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Old 12-05-2017, 08:28 PM
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update

Just a update on the 3BGS build.

Did finish the (smallest my1016 razor) modified Matt motor rewind. Using 24 awg trifilar connected parallel 100 feet long. 40,30,30 turns on each side of rotor. Ohms across each coil was at .04.

Pulls 0.7 +- amps without load. With generator(larger size mod. Matt motor) attached with couplings, the amp draw is 2.25. Heat is low after extended runs.
The couplings acts as small decent flywheel. A Drok dc to dc converter powers the prime mover to 18~20 volts. Haven't recorded rpm's yet.

All this information to replicate is already posted here and other threads.

I smoked first Drok converter by overcharging #3 and inverter batteries.

Comment please if you are building.
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If you want to keep your boosters try this.

The heat here gets to be about 110 degrees so anything over
2 watts warms up and the semiconductors start stalling right
away if you run a couple of amps without cooling.

I also bought 10X step down tiny's for a $1 each so i can feed my
meter perfect numbers. Don't forget to you need to move the adjusting
screw very little to peg the nettle.

The fan runs about 6v on a 12v source and at 14.5v about the same, if
you go up to a 26v source the voltage is somewhere around 10v
depending on your fan. The fan runs forever at 6v, the whole thing
takes about 65ma for the fan.

The switch puts the tiny amp gauge in and out of the circuit for
times of adjustment. This can also be used as a power supply that
is adjustable for a very low cost.






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I do understand it takes time for an "idea" to develop into a viable build for anyone. We all have short patience sometimes. In college it was often disheartening to hear the lack of education in the younger generation sitting around the room. In highschool I was a low GPA score. But mine was higher than the upcoming generation with a lack of good educational schools these days.


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Old 12-06-2017, 09:56 PM
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Matt or Dave,
Is this the schematic to connect the boost converter?

I have been powering the prime mover with the booster. Then charging High side with voltage from generator. Just got replacement and want to use it correctly and safely.

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Possible boost circuit.pdf
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:48 AM
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@ wantomake.
Here are official schematics from 1Dave, 2Matt and 1Bobfrench, which is basic all the same way.
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File Type: jpg Turion #683 Boost Circuit.jpg (34.9 KB, 41 views)
File Type: jpg Matthew Jones #1072 slide2.jpg (77.1 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg Matthew Jones #1486 Diagram1.jpg (192.6 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg bobfrench@fastmail.fm #1095 3BGS Test Measuring.jpg (216.3 KB, 42 views)
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@ wantomake.
Here are official schematics from 1Dave, 2Matt and 1Bobfrench, which is basic all the same way.
Liber63,
Thanks. I went with the first schematic. But will add more as parts arrive.

Are you replicating? There's nobody to discuss notes with that has a work in progress.

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Old 12-09-2017, 01:32 PM
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yes, my friend. I have replicated it with a 400watt inverter and small loads as i only used (a lot of)car batteries, and yes it worked as advertised! Definitely, am going to try Matt's modmotor with a flywheel and some sort of generator i haven't yet decide, but for now i'm putting together a small solar system with deep cycle batteries together with the system above, as Bobfrench did. Small system altogether but with great advantage. Don't have notes as I experimented almost a year ago. But its pretty straightforward for people like me if they only have the patience to tune it. I honor Matt and Dave.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:41 PM
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yes, my friend. I have replicated it with a 400watt inverter and small loads as i only used (a lot of)car batteries, and yes it worked as advertised! Definitely, am going to try Matt's modmotor with a flywheel and some sort of generator i haven't yet decide, but for now i'm putting together a small solar system with deep cycle batteries together with the system above, as Bobfrench did. Small system altogether but with great advantage. Don't have notes as I experimented almost a year ago. But its pretty straightforward for people like me if they only have the patience to tune it. I honor Matt and Dave.
Liber63,
Not literally "notes" but your experience and ideas with this build.

The "main" piece of this machine is the modified Matt motor. I have medium size as a generator. The prime mover is the smallest size razor motor. His motor with the 3BGS is the combination that works. Both motor/generator are wound to Matthews specs. My battery bank(marine batteries) for my solar system is connected in this setup. It's a small solar setup but powers my shop. I've a switch to charge the bank with solar until I start running test. Then switch off solar and run test.

It's simple setup for me but is good starting place to learn.

Snowed in today, early for the south, but will just drink coffee and study.
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I know that Matt's modified motor is in the heart of this system if you want to do serious work. But even without it the system is still profitable.
Dave used to say all batteries should be topped off. That was little difficult for me to sustain a good balance, (with my kind of batteries) and not have the 3rd battery overcharged. But when I first drained just a little the third battery(-ies), i was able to sustain long runs like 2, 3 hours without anything moving up or down. I mean 0,01 or 0,02volt doesn't mean much. And always, if prime lost ,01 or ,02, the third combo battery(-ies) would have gain that, the same amount. All measured at least 4 hours later. Used to use two boosters as in Matt's schematics for that.
As far as I remember Mathew never gave specs for generator in public, only for motor. I think Dave said Mat would do that only to some few people they trusted. Is this, that kind of Matt generator that you use, or is it Matt's modified motor put as a generator?
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I know that Matt's modified motor is in the heart of this system if you want to do serious work. But even without it the system is still profitable.
Dave used to say all batteries should be topped off. That was little difficult for me to sustain a good balance, (with my kind of batteries) and not have the 3rd battery overcharged. But when I first drained just a little the third battery(-ies), i was able to sustain long runs like 2, 3 hours without anything moving up or down. I mean 0,01 or 0,02volt doesn't mean much. And always, if prime lost ,01 or ,02, the third combo battery(-ies) would have gain that, the same amount. All measured at least 4 hours later. Used to use two boosters as in Matt's schematics for that.
As far as I remember Mathew never gave specs for generator in public, only for motor. I think Dave said Mat would do that only to some few people they trusted. Is this, that kind of Matt generator that you use, or is it Matt's modified motor put as a generator?
Liber63,
I'm only using Matt modified motor as generator. I don't have the finances or knowledge to build the monster Dave has built. He has a lenz free generator which I believe he gave instructions here and there to build it. I've learned if you increase generator size, you must increase prime mover size, battery size, booster size, etc. I'm not ready for all that. It's about balance.

But I've not seen Matt's generator details yet.

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PS: Think about it. All they've freely given us already is enough to power anything you want. I'm not greedy so the system I have is enough to build larger and power more. Just balance. It's all documented here FOR FREE !!!
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2nd boost converter

Got the 2nd boost converter yesterday and plan to install it today.

It takes time and understanding to balance this system to do work and loop back on itself. I care nothing for the COP of this unit or OU.

My plan and/or goal is to simply have a back up if the grid fails during storms, maintenance (transformers), etc.

At this point I'm studying to see which component bares the stress of this system. Which component actually will burn up first. Motor, generator, boosters, inverter, or the batteries. So far the booster has smoked twice now but they are only $12 each. Only two in last two years which is low count for me. But still that takes time to get new ones in. Overcharging the battery bank is largest failure thus far.

Balance as one correspondent has instructed my curious mind,
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Balancing

Connected second booster today into the setup to see what happens.

The balancing involved was a pain but is doable. I've learned that there's a way to keep the primaries charged and maintain voltage in the #3 charging battery at same time. But, more than running the lights in my shop, it's a great learning system.

I appreciate the effort from Matthew and Dave to post all this information and leave it here for any to follow and replicate.
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To All,

I do understand the frustrations of non participation of so many good minds to replicate here. Matthew and Dave have poured out all the details to get this system on your bench to start your own journey to freedom to whatever you want with it.

I'm a former teacher and missionary church builder for Japan. I've seen non participation up close and very personal. But I knew if one person would follow then that one could change five and five would change twenty five. That's the mission here to show/present to the audience and let that one person take it from there. I did get one and two to follow and left the building to them. In Japan I'm sure. We go every year or so to see what one has grown into. Amazing.

It's my last month on this thread. Either others will continue here or not.

I will be so busy with this 3BGS on a larger scale next year.
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The balancing between primaries and charge side , or high and low side is important. If not balanced the potential difference will decrease to unsafe operations levels.

The converters must be adjusted until the PD levels out. That's not the only problem or adjustment needed. The amp settings must be done also, which is taking much adjustments.

The motor/generator setup must be properly coupled and aligned to stop additional amperage draw.

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The balancing between primaries and charge side , or high and low side is important. If not balanced the potential difference will decrease to unsafe operations levels.

The converters must be adjusted until the PD levels out. That's not the only problem or adjustment needed. The amp settings must be done also, which is taking much adjustments.

The motor/generator setup must be properly coupled and aligned to stop additional amperage draw.

wantomake
great video, you are a winner. I agree, when my generator shaft was not
perfect it caused me drag somewhere around 200ma sometimes.

On the PD balancing, some boost converters have constant current
controls but like you are pointing out, that is not the end of adjustments.
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