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Old 02-21-2016, 01:07 AM
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Mixed Message

I don't mean to leave with a mixed message.

I have seen everything Rick showed in his presentation. WITH the exception of what is in the "black box" that is supposed to run loads and induce more charging. And I have some ideas on what that might have been. But that's what my bench is for.

Until I have seen large loads run on my bench I have to reserve judgement. I do know the direction Matt and I are going is to use the concept found in this circuit to run a Basic Free Energy Device, so that's where I'm headed.


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Hi Dave , I ran for a week with just 2 batteries in series, I lost .385 volts /24 hrs. That was turning the rotor and lighting 36 led's.
I then hooked up the 3BGS, a set of super caps in the 3rd position, and ran another week ,I only lost .195 volts/24hrs, the rotor was slower and the led's were'nt as bright , but the super caps gained triple the voltage I lost in the original set-up.
I Know the caps don't have the same capacity of the batteries, but there is still the less consumption on the batteries , plus the gained charge on the bank of super caps.
Thank-you for all the efforts you put out there, just because we don't always post , doesn't mean it was in vain.
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Turion I wanted to say

thank you for this thread. I have always been interested in these things but higher math is not my strong suit and I don't really have money or space to experiment. Until you started this thread. Batteries are something I'm somewhat familiar with and have worked with.

I followed the instructions and got the system to work. I also want to take the time to thank Matthew Jones. He knows how he helped me.

Anyway I got it to work but basically I was working under a leaking and open porch limited space and subject to the weather and rain. I had to abandon it and cover it with a tarp after a certain level of progression because I needed a safer place and testing equipment to document what I was seeing.

We are both disabled and money is tight but I have been able to save some towards that goal. In the meantime I have been kept busy with a sick parent and spouse while writing 2 novels, studying the stock market and developing my own health diet.

So anyway I recently happened on some videos by Jim Murray and something he said, or something he attributed to Tesla and something someone said about batteries discharging having nothing to do with using electricity but just moving electrons in the same direction that discharges it.

It triggered a question circuit in my brain because I've read the last couple of pages and the drawback with the 3 BS still seems to be the dead battery not remaining dead.

I wonder has anyone tried a Tesla coil in conjunction with the third battery? Something Jim said about orientation and Tesla made me wonder. Made me wonder if the coil could/would interfere with electron flow in that third battery by its orientation and coil design.

The older I get the more I trust my intuition and for me to check in here after 3 years and find this still on the front page surprised me. That was after viewing the vids by Jim Murray but only later did I vaguely connect his mechanical magnification and orientation lectures with the 3 BS.

This maybe stupid but placing the battery on the coil or connecting it across one or both terminals or to one side or over it or suspend it in air to see what happens.

I really do appreciate this thread for a lot of reasons.




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I don't mean to leave with a mixed message.

I have seen everything Rick showed in his presentation. WITH the exception of what is in the "black box" that is supposed to run loads and induce more charging. And I have some ideas on what that might have been. But that's what my bench is for.

Until I have seen large loads run on my bench I have to reserve judgement. I do know the direction Matt and I are going is to use the concept found in this circuit to run a Basic Free Energy Device, so that's where I'm headed.


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Old 02-29-2016, 05:35 AM
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We did some experiments with bifilar wound pancake coils, but never with the Tesla coil. If you look back a bit at the work done here with the boost circuit or at the link to the stuff Rick F has posted, you will come to realize that you do not need a bad battery. All you need is to rest the charging battery, rotate the batteries occasionally, and you can extend your run times long enough to power a generator with your motor that WILL produce excess power. I have a couple extra boost modules lying around if you want them to experiment with. PM me and I'll get them to you.
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Old 04-29-2016, 03:30 PM
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If you are out there watching, I finally figured out the magnetic polarity. It does everything you said it would do. AMAZING!!
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Hi David - Et al – Just an opinion David and a few observations but I consider your works to be far from over. You rightly say 'until a sizable load is running gratis on your test bench' but it runs far deeper than that even .
If I were to write 'until a suitable energy source sufficient to each and everyone’s needs were made available free of constraint' .. that would IMHO be nearer the goal, but we are far,far away from that .
A lot of that distance is not only physiological but cyclic, allow me to expand on that the video you posted by Rick although nicely presented and perhaps done in all sincerity didn't really present anything new or unexpected . The capacitors (and batteries) charged in parallel and discharged in series has been demonstrated and shown to be COP>1 many times – indeed for decades by many different researchers. For your indulgence here are a few from the 'back pages' EPD explains the capacitor enigma (just as Rick does) 48M40s – 50M10s here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7oAlvaC8ls
John Bedini unitizes the capacitors charging in parallel and dis-charging in series enigma long ago in this practical example described as 'a scalar battery charger' and attributed to Ron Cole
THE TESLA SWITCH
you of course will be very familiar with it David as the genesis of the 3BGS was the Tesla switch and you certainly will have avidly consumed any information available in the arena.
I confess to be getting a bit 'pissed' at folks preaching the lord at me, placing emphasis on truth and disclosure along with sharing and then of course presenting ' A black box' In the equation. Might as well post nothing at all instead of a teaser !
--- Gather around folks, lets all try and guess what's in the box and then try and guess what its not quite properly tuned to ? - that’s about as much use as tits on a Kipper! and as I say David there's many a crooked mile to travel yet.
It is not very difficult to ascertain exactly what is being 'tuned to' its pointed out loud and clear again by two researchers in different ways, John Bedini tells us many years ago “ Its reactive current” he states it loud and clear in the first few lines here -
John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray.. | MERLib.org
Eric Dollard Tells us much the same thing in terms of SWR and huge circulating currents at 20M00 to
23M00 here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7oAlvaC8ls
there are of course two resonant states (electrically speaking) to wit series resonance and Parallel resonance It is clear that it is the series resonant state we are concerned with and the forgotten and neglected waveforms of Tesla which Eric talks of.
Is it safe then to assume that the mysterious 'black box' then tunes the battery and circuit to series resonance regardless of changing battery conditions ? IMHO its a very good bet and consistent with all these researchers, In short its common ground!
Series Resonance in a Series RLC Resonant Circuit
Where then might the Tesla coil you mention fit into this hotch potch of 'Biblical goody two shoe's and black boxes David ?
The Tesla coil itself is by definition a resonant device, more importantly it is a series resonant device. That in itself doesn’t help the cause very much, it does offer an explanation as to Clueless's instinctive interest though.
We have all had to learn to our chagrin that the battery impedance rapidly changes and -- oh oh oh the magic disappears.
Strangely the work of the maniacal groups of 'Coilers' who are generally considered just as insane as we 'free energy researchers' may come to our assistance as we consider - whats in the black box ?
After all they have the same basic problem that is - trying to track series resonance despite wildly changing conditions.
Their answers ? They are many and evolving all the time hence a big list of acronyms has evolved (when alas we just want something simple to share) For instance . P..P..L D.R.S.S.T.C
I understand it means 'Phase locked loop controlled double resonant solid state Tesla coil'( oh yeah -
well supercalifragilisticexpialidocious !!) anyway here's one of many hundreds of examples chosen because the schematics and intentions are pretty clear -

https://danstrother.com/elysium/

now incorporate that or something similar (and preferably much simpler) to track resonance and alter impulse rate to suit and I suspect you'll be duplicating something of the 'black box' technology and much nearer your high power, reliable. Machine. As for the Chemistry , that's another facet of the diamond
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Rick vs Gotoluc--Why the difference? Two part video

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At part two read the comments. Matt and David clearly explain why the difference.
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To sum it up.. all arrangements of batteries including a single battery, serial battery, and parallel battery or any combination of are measured based on the voltage difference between the highest point and the lowest point, which is usually the difference between GND and Positive poles, but not in this case.

Anything other than that is a false approach designed to show loss. Just plain ignorant stupidity from someone who should know better.

Its real let down when people concoct these things then in turn label anyone who knows better "ignorant". Its a real shame when you admire their work just to find out they are not capable of even rational thought and accurate experimentation.

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Perhaps if the people that insist this doesn't work and show us videos would invest several thousand dollars in a state of the art battery analyzer and take a look at the results from it, (as I have done) they would change their opinion. I don't OWN one...yet, but I have been able to test the 3BGS with one, and as I recall, Matt DOES own one. And I am not talking about a hand held meter, but a REAL analyzer that costs a few thousand dollars. The cost of running the load on the potential difference is minimal, and far FAR less than running a DC load any other way.

There are things about batteries that very few people really understand. I'm not claiming to understand them either, or I wouldn't have spent 8 years of my life putzing around with the 3BGS, but I can say that dismissing the 3BGS is a terrible error. I don't know if everything Rick shared is for real, but I know absolutely for sure that SOME of it is.

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OK, got it! I guess I should learn to read comments section on youtube. So, my dream of an electric boat is still on.

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What I find unusual is how caps charge , and that are not connected, with a physical circuit, But you can draw off the power.
Cap A can be connected to point 1 & 2, Cap B can be connected to point 1 & 3, Cap C connected to2 & 3
But you can draw off A & B 1-3, 2-3, and 1-2
B and C the same way,
And A & C & B will all charge , when drawing off the others. (flyback I think)
Still looking
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Old 05-05-2016, 06:19 AM
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Can you draw a circuit and shows where these different "points" are that you are connecting caps to? You said they are not connected to a "physical circuit", so what ARE they connected to.
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Perhaps if the people that insist this doesn't work and show us videos would invest several thousand dollars in a state of the art battery analyzer and take a look at the results from it, (as I have done) they would change their opinion. I don't OWN one...yet, but I have been able to test the 3BGS with one, and as I recall, Matt DOES own one. And I am not talking about a hand held meter, but a REAL analyzer that costs a few thousand dollars. The cost of running the load on the potential difference is minimal, and far FAR less than running a DC load any other way.

There are things about batteries that very few people really understand. I'm not claiming to understand them either, or I wouldn't have spent 8 years of my life putzing around with the 3BGS, but I can say that dismissing the 3BGS is a terrible error. I don't know if everything Rick shared is for real, but I know absolutely for sure that SOME of it is.

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Hi Dave,

Can you please post a link or name/model number for the analyzer. I have cheap $300 one and it works great for most things but shows the 3BGS batteries at 30% capacity when they out run a normal battery that shows 90%.

Thanks for the help!

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OK, got it! I guess I should learn to read comments section on youtube. So, my dream of an electric boat is still on.

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Chris,
My dreams of electric bike then car are still alive as well. Mine would recharge as you drive. But no plans or designs yet.

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Old 05-05-2016, 06:58 PM
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Battery analyzer

The one I used at the university electronics lab is made by Cadex. That is from my notes, but I do not have a model number. That one had several add ons for testing different things.

wantomake and Tishatang,
Your dream is alive and kicking.
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Hi Dave , I shouldn't really say not connected but isolated via the diodes and coil connections. This is an older setup I was using but still the same I just eliminated some of the junctions.
You can measure between J1 and J8 which are connected, one cap facing one way and another facing the other. But you can also measure across J1 itself and J8 itself. You get 4 points of output.
Hope that makes sense.
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Hello shylo,

I am a friend of Dave's and we've been looking at your drawing, but can't figure out what's going on. Are you pulsing the coils somehow? Are the + and - on the bridge rectifier outputs? Are the circles with the ground symbol and J1, J2, etc. labels just junction wires between the coils that go from the diodes to ground?

And what is the significance of "J1 = 14 caps", "J2 = 12 caps", etc.?

Thanks,

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It starts out Hi Bob
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There are several things going on that probably have their place in the other thread I started on Your Basic Free Energy Device, but at least one of them specifically applies to the 3BGS, so I will throw it out here.

I think a few people have used a motor on the 3BGS setup, as I've described how to do. Unless it is a modified pulse motor or a very small stock motor, it will probably pull the primaries down eventually because its draw is too much for the batteries most people use with this setup. They just use what they have and don't calculate discharge rates or anything else, so they don't get the results some of us get.

Some people have put transformers in place of the motor to see what they could do with the setup. I have done that too, with mixed results.

A few crafty individuals have substituted an inverter for the dc motor (running between the positives), and run a small pulse type battery charger off it. This keeps their primaries charged up and they get to run loads off battery 3 for free. You might wanna give that a try and let us know the results. Some of us have already DONE it. A word of warning. If you DON'T run a load on battery 3, it will charge up to high, and there goes the potential difference to run the inverter.

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If you are out there watching, I finally figured out the magnetic polarity. It does everything you said it would do. AMAZING!!
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Hi guys,
This is my first post in this forum. I'm invested in free energy research for about 3 years now.
The last few months I tried to understand and replicate the tesla switch.
My first attempt was a basic 4 battery switch with a standard mechanical relay coil, similar to the simplified diagram T-6 from the Bedini/Muller paper. I had no success with my design. All batteries droped in voltage as expected.
Later I tried a diagram a russian guy posted on yoututbe. He seems to have success with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb-2hbUOLJQ
I replicated it according to the information he gives in the schematic and it didn't work. However I soon realized that hes talking about resonance (I unfortunately don't understand russian ) somewhere. And then I realized that the coils he has between the 2 battery banks could build a series tank and that he is tuning the cap discharge frequency to the resonance frequency of that tank.
I then looked at the muller paper again and saw that in Bedinis schematic T-1 on the negative side of the batteries, the batteries could also form a series tank with the secondary of the audio coils he used to trigger the transistors and maybe hes tuning the impulses to that frequency or a harmonic thereof. Same thing for T-7.
For the 3 battery configurations (T-3, T-4) I was very confused by the coil JB used to trigger the transistor. I first thought he drives them with a signal generator on a fixed frequency, but I tried that with some small audio coils and as far as I can tell, it doesn't work because of the reactance of the transformer between the negative terminals. All I was getting was normal induction current on the secondary. Then I looked at it again and saw that it looks like the triggering coil is coupled with the primary of the transformer and maybe its some kind of self resonating system.
I really wonder if someone in this thread already tried to replicate this schematic and can tell me about the results he had, because I think the 3 Battery switch is the basis for all the Tesla switch stuff and we really should try to understand and replicate it before we proceed with more complex designs.
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As we have pretty much exhausted our efforts to replicate my original device, and have established that the 3 Battery system is but a PART of what you need for a device with significant COP, we have moved on to the Basic Free Energy Device thread. Hope to see you there.
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I've had a few emails requesting that I somehow "pop" this thread back to the front page of the forum because there are links here to the PDF for winding the modified Matt motor, schematics for using the boost modules, and a bunch of other stuff that we did over the years, so here it is. Bookmark it, because I won't be spending any time commenting here.

If you notice, we had over 3,000 posts and 394,000 views on this thread, so maybe we were doing something right. Maybe.

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