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Old 07-20-2012, 07:50 PM
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G'Day Dana
My wife wont like this But I Just have to give you a big
My problem all along has been the resistor connecting the Oscillator to the mosfet circuit it should have been 10k but I only had 100R
Like I said before I think it is just the nut on the end of the soldering Iron

I am really pleased with the people on this list every one is patient and wants to help even the NumSkulls

Tomorrow I will connect the coil and the CLF bulb then I can start to

I think this is this the way to hook it up at least this is the way I see it
Please If you would just check it over for me to see If I am correct



Thanks a million to all those who have helped me

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Just out of curiosity.
Why do you need a voltage regulator when you can grab DC from the first battery out of the three batteries?
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Just out of curiosity.
Why do you need a voltage regulator when you can grab DC from the first battery out of the three batteries?
Hello Hagen,

The voltage regulator is the correct way to NOT discharge ONE single Battery out of the WHOLE BANK, a very simple LM317 and a couple of resistors and Caps, will feed steadily the necessary and EXACT, Voltage-Currents,required from Oscillator IC, in a MUCH BETTER FILTERED WAY, that just getting it directly (IN ELECTRONIC RUSH AVALANCHE) from just one Battery, As this will create an UNEVEN decrease in the Main Bank Supply...

Other words, getting the "juices" from just one Battery is, besides a Lazy Choice, not a well Laid Out, electronic design of manipulation and management from Battery Source...

Understand?

Cheers


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Hello Hagen,

The voltage regulator is the correct way to NOT discharge ONE single Battery out of the WHOLE BANK, a very simple LM317 and a couple of resistors and Caps, will feed steadily the necessary and EXACT, Voltage-Currents,required from Oscillator IC, in a MUCH BETTER FILTERED WAY, that just getting it directly (IN ELECTRONIC RUSH AVALANCHE) from just one Battery, As this will create an UNEVEN decrease in the Main Bank Supply...

Other words, getting the "juices" from just one Battery is, besides a Lazy Choice, not a well Laid Out, electronic design of manipulation and management from Battery Source...

Understand?

Cheers


UFO
Thanks UFO,

I know that you would not want to take any sort of real power from any one battery, but I was thinking just how much power can a 555 use up? Of course it may not be as stable as the voltage regulator, and that may cause some issues, and you may have to deal with some ripple. I guess it's the poor man's choice, or the I'm waiting for Fed Ex choice .

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Cree CMF10120D MOSFET

http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cr.../CMF10120D.pdf



I just got of couple of these the other day.

Any feed back this MOSFET would be appreciated.

I read in the specs that it likes to see +20 volts GS for turn on.

Thanks!
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Hello Hagen,

I was taking a look at those FETs and in the application notes that the 20V turn on should be something closer to 22, the starting turn on voltage is around 2.5V, but is not fully on until 16V. I'm not an electronics expert by any means, JohnStone mentioned similar information about the gate swing speed needing to be fast and hard(enough current), it looks like you will just have to be sure to take good care in the design of your oscillator to mitigate these factors but in my opinion they are good, the fast rise/fall time is important and the voltage/amperage availability are nice.

Just be sure you can drive them well, to me they look like they will be a tad more difficult but I know little of the tribulations of circuitry design.

best wishes,
matt

P.S. Did you find a good price on those mosfets? I was looking at them when I purchased SiC zero recovery diodes from Infineon and Cree but they were hella pricey, I think $6 for the 600V mosfets.

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Old 07-22-2012, 07:37 PM
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Hello Hagen,

I was taking a look at those FETs and in the application notes that the 20V turn on should be something closer to 22, the starting turn on voltage is around 2.5V, but is not fully on until 16V. I'm not an electronics expert by any means, JohnStone mentioned similar information about the gate swing speed needing to be fast and hard(enough current), it looks like you will just have to be sure to take good care in the design of your oscillator to mitigate these factors but in my opinion they are good, the fast rise/fall time is important and the voltage/amperage availability are nice.

Just be sure you can drive them well, to me they look like they will be a tad more difficult but I know little of the tribulations of circuitry design.

best wishes,
matt

P.S. Did you find a good price on those mosfets? I was looking at them when I purchased SiC zero recovery diodes from Infineon and Cree but they were hella pricey, I think $6 for the 600V mosfets.
Hi Matt,

I got them from Digikey. There were a little expensive, but I wanted a mosfet that had a high voltage rating. I hate it when I blow them up.

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Old 07-23-2012, 04:48 AM
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Hi Matt,

I got them from Digikey. There were a little expensive, but I wanted a mosfet that had a high voltage rating. I hate it when I blow them up.

Hagen
I don't blame you, and thank you for causing me to look them up, I forgot I had a 15% rebate from Newark.com that is only good for things that you don't buy enough of to get a discount on them, which I couldn't afford 10 of those mosfets to have to worry about that, it was a good opportunity to use it.

Having said that though the coupon will work for anyone and those big FETS are probably one of the best opportunities to use the discount.

From http://www.newark.com sent to my email. Hopefully this can help some people out. I saved about $3 each on the CMF10120D mosfets.

"The Voucher code is NEW2P and it can be used as many times as you would like through August 31,2012, feel free to share with whomever you would like."

peace,
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:38 PM
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Thumbs up Hello Everyone

I don't recall if I have ever posted anything on this forum before, I mostly just read. But this is one Thread I will definitely be participating in. Wanted to say hello to everyone. I am trying to catch up on things before I ask questions/make comments. I currently am on page 10 of the thread.

A little background on myself - 48yrs old, been working in the electrical field for almost 30 years starting with generator repair (small to large - size of a truck), electrical contractor for 20 years with an electronics engineering degree from the University of Akron, Ohio.



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Old 07-24-2012, 11:46 PM
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I don't recall if I have ever posted anything on this forum before, I mostly just read. But this is one Thread I will definitely be participating in. Wanted to say hello to everyone. I am trying to catch up on things before I ask questions/make comments. I currently am on page 10 of the thread.

A little background on myself - 48yrs old, been working in the electrical field for almost 30 years starting with generator repair (small to large - size of a truck), electrical contractor for 20 years with an electronics engineering degree from the University of Akron, Ohio.



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Hello and welcome friend,

Please. feel free to read first as much as you could...not all the crappy arguments though...but the "essence"...
A track back is an automatic "text robot" that sends you messages when someone posts here...so you could come and look at them...

After you done here most of Us are at My Asymmetric Machines, fighting... ...We need people with your experience there also.

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hello everyone,

I have also been trying to catch up. I do not have much computer skills but i do have hands on experience in " different shops", and lot's of friends with very nice shops, machining and electrical.

Is This correct (roughly, for layman like me)?
The field magnet got improved to permanent magnets, and now we improve that by using a field magnet(energized coil), with the permanent magnets, plus use "isolated armature windings", not one big single coil thus eliminating the bemf. That was alot to say and probably not right, but this is very different, and looks really nice, to build.

I am getting a friend to help me build the circuit to pulse the coil as I write this. He owns an electronics shop, and is into homemade radio, he is also interested now, i showed him your videos, on YT.

In your other thread, you mentioned running a vehicle, and that would be really "sweeeeeet".

I have the rs motors to try an "asymetrical wind", looks fun!
I am waiting for info/prices on imperial motors now, p56sd704?, to start.

Your last video was beyond cool, I even have a body shop friend, i am sure he will help me with the mold if i ask nice.

Can I ask one personal question ufo?
Are you a professer, you seem like a professer to me, what do you do?


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Old 07-25-2012, 04:58 AM
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hello everyone,

I have also been trying to catch up. I do not have much computer skills but i do have hands on experience in " different shops", and lot's of friends with very nice shops, machining and electrical.

Is This correct (roughly, for layman like me)?
The field magnet got improved to permanent magnets, and now we improve that by using a field magnet(energized coil), with the permanent magnets, plus use "isolated armature windings", not one big single coil thus eliminating the bemf. That was alot to say and probably not right, but this is very different, and looks really nice, to build.

I am getting a friend to help me build the circuit to pulse the coil as I write this. He owns an electronics shop, and is into homemade radio, he is also interested now, i showed him your videos, on YT.

In your other thread, you mentioned running a vehicle, and that would be really "sweeeeeet".

I have the rs motors to try an "asymetrical wind", looks fun!
I am waiting for info/prices on imperial motors now, p56sd704?, to start.

Your last video was beyond cool, I even have a body shop friend, i am sure he will help me with the mold if i ask nice.

Can I ask one personal question ufo?
Are you a professer, you seem like a professer to me, what do you do?


CB
Hello and Welcome Dear Crash&Burn,

I wish I would be a Professor...but they would have trow me out by now...

I am just a "Random Guy"...out there

Permanent Magnets are Ok, but they add constant magnetic drag with steel...and worst than that...Models are not scalable to huge sizes...so it limits their size...
Coils like you saw on my Video are very scalable...and besides with two diodes you obtain Radiant Energy reversed flow...that could be used to light up or re-charge system through the proper Electronics Filtering and BMS (Battery Management System)

That is great you have so many friends in the same fields!!...and willing and interested to help you!!...but those are awesome news!!
The Oscillators I use are just based on Cheap 555 timers in Astable Mode...no big deal, you will find here My Diagrams...also look at the "Updated" Voltage Regulator Schematics...where there is also a slight resistor deal, one is 220 Ohms and the other one is 2200 Ohms or 2.2K...I wrote both at 220 ohms...my bad. but is rectified in a lower post.

Yes you will be able to run vehicles...so get ready...start first at smaller scale...then upgrade.

Now the Fiberglass Stator could be done off original Volumes...a Cylinder, sand it down, but make sure you have found your perfect Armature first...with enough shaft length to host a second Commutator...and some Fiber sheets...cut them glue them with same small fibers and polyester resin...Marine Supplies have all, fabric..and resin plus hardeners.

Many Regards and Welcome again!!

UFO

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I have one friend who has a water jet cutter. He can cut anything you could imagine. What if I used a composite fiber from areospace industry? Just get a big block and cut out one piece with the fins? It is heavy but incredible strong. Actually, that may have carbon in it.

The air gap could be as tight as you want with the water cutter.

Also, due any number of armatures work, how did you get your winding patterns?

The closest thing I could find is universal motor with a 2-pole field stator.
But you have changed it completley.

We were kind of "surprised" by an asymetrical winding.

Sorry, lots of questions.

Thank you
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:47 AM
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I have one friend who has a water jet cutter. He can cut anything you could imagine. What if I used a composite fiber from areospace industry? Just get a big block and cut out one piece with the fins? It is heavy but incredible strong. Actually, that may have carbon in it.

The air gap could be as tight as you want with the water cutter.

Also, due any number of armatures work, how did you get your winding patterns?

The closest thing I could find is universal motor with a 2-pole field stator.
But you have changed it completley.

We were kind of "surprised" by an asymetrical winding.

Sorry, lots of questions.

Thank you
CB et al

Hello C&B et Al,

Waterjet is great, having the CAD exactly to cut is excellent, I am going to render the Pattern to follow that approach also. I have used WJ before in many Motors I have built from scratch...Armatures and Stators.

Ah...the only thing that you could NOT use as Material for the Stator Core, is Carbon Fiber Mesh, Fabric...it has the rare property to instantly kill Radiant Field Induction to exactly ZERO...I have several cylinders of CF...made with fabric...I have tested them all...it dies right away...and this is due that CF is like a Superconductor for Radiant-Cold Electricity...it will short out instantly...and it is faster than Hot...

You could use KEVLAR, but it is very hard to cut...unless you get the right tooling/blades...

Winding Patterns comes from Ancient Sacred Geo...to new configured based on certain rules of Asymmetry...like no parallel axis of Pairs of Coils at In/Out...so we have to look for specific designs where this does not occur...

Asymmetry...is beautiful...you will see it working.


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No, I have not tried two toroid magnets in opposition, however, let me explain the behavior so you could judge what will happen when you do...
The Coil is oriented by Hot pulses to be North Top, South Bottom, which is equal to: [N/S]. Now the Magnet that I put in must be oriented same as Hot Pulsed Field, or [N/S] in order to be ascended and staying into levitation.
If I put it the other way around, or [S/N] it will just vibrate but no levitation, will stay in the floor...
Therefore (and answering your question)...The magnet (toroid) that would be opposing to right oriented one will not ascend, nor levitate, just vibrate...if they would be attracted to each other configuring one magnet , with same orientation...it will suck them both in, and levitate them.

To understand this behavior we must analyze the Radiant Magnetic Field, opposing the Hot pulsed field, or same as [S/N].

Hot Field=[N/S]
Radiant Field=[S/N]

However, Radiant Field is located right at very center of Hot, which looks like:

N(Hot)/S(Radiant)/N(Radiant)/S(Hot)

That configures the positioning of the Chain of magnetic links on this Coil.

The magnet oriented N/S will levitate because of Radiant EM Field being stronger than Hot EM Field...Radiant S (on top center) will attract N of levitating magnet, while N Radiant (on bottom-center), will attract S of magnet...However, Hot field will 'compensate' the magnetic fields on the floating magnet by establishing a N/S repulsion at the upper-lower extremes...

That is what I understand so far, related to this phenomena.

I hope it helped your question.

Regards

Ufopolitics
Hello again UFO,

I have seen your video and now seem to finally understand what is happening here after reading you explanation. It is quite apparent that the negative (cold) south pole has to be much stronger than the positive (hot) north pole in the upper region (vise-versa in the lower portion) of the coil in order for the pm to orientate itself as it does.

First off, I wish to express my appreciation of your willingness to share here. Our world would have been much different today if not for the greed of others who have made similar discoveries and held their personal profit above all else by patenting their devices without fully disclosing everything about their operation. This sadly references individuals such as Tesla, Gray, Sweet, and the list goes on and on. Cold electricity still today is barely understood as most discoverers wish to keep their findings secret and those secrets are lost with their passing. One can only hope someone else will rediscover them again.

Let me state that I am just as much a novice when working with cold electricity as I am an expert at working with hot. Yes, I have destroyed my share of electrical meters (flukes and cheepos), but I still have no idea what I am actually looking for or how to find it. In reading these posts (on page 12 now) I am picking up tidbits here and there, but feel that a lack of understanding of the nature of cold is my biggest hurdle.

UFO, if you could please write a few paragraphs explaining the true nature of cold as you currently understand it I believe this would help many here to understand what their devices are striving to accomplish. Like how it manifests, flows, is stored, is manipulated, etc. Don't get me wrong here. I firmly believe that in order for one to really understand that they must build and obverse things their selves. There is no substitute for hands-on experience. With that being said, I also believe that hands-on is not very productive without first understanding the underlying principles of that which they are working with. Many layman could build functional radio set from a kit with the provided wiring diagram, and yet have no concept of what makes it work.

Cheers to everyone and especially UFO

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Old 07-26-2012, 02:52 AM
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hey bobfrench, how's your sewing skills?

Hi. I am making my list of things to order, gonna especially start right here with the coil experiments, even though I am TOTALLY thrilled with the motor thread. I think UFOPolitics did the right thing starting with this. I'll get to the motors soon.
But anyhow, I'm really interested in what the TOW can do and I've seen bobfrench talk about it and the problem with insulating it.

Bob, have you ever done any sewing? ahem. Well, I spent a few years renovating the early 70's RV that I now live in, it isn't like renewing a car, nor a house, it's a very unique experience and you must acquire skills you never thought you would.

So you see Bob, just like you, I'm QUITE interested in "off-the-grid", this homestead's on wheels and there AIN'T no grid.

There's a technique in sewing called welting. Here's a picture of welting.
Everyone's seen it even if they didn't know the proper name for it, many car & boat seats have it as well as furniture.
They normally just sew the same material as the seat cover around a plastic straw. Normally a 1/4" flap of material is left one edge, they use this to sew it onto the seat cushion, whatever. I've never done it, but there are video instructions on youtube.

Before you start thinking that this sounds like a lot of trouble, and it would be if there weren't tools for accomplishing it, they make special welting foot attachments for sewing machines like these. I should think a foot or two a minute or probably much better might be obtained. There are really cheap grades of cloth, the cost of that would be negligible. Probably just cut it into one-inch strips, something like that. The welting feet come in 1/8" - 1/2" slot sizes, maybe more, and they cost about $15. Like this one that fits my machine. Now you just gotta find somebody with a sewing machine...

For you non-sewers out there, a foot kind of holds down 2 pieces of cloth as they go through the area where the sewing needle punches the thread through them. In this case, there is a half-moon slot on the bottom of the foot, so once you clamp it down with the TOW and cloth in place, it SHOULD be a no-brainer to just keep feeding tow and cloth through, no fancy sewing skills needed. It sews very close, I mean very close around the straw (TOW). You've all seen how tightly it appears to be attached to the straw on your car seats. So when finished it should be easy to cut off the excess cloth with scissors and have something very similar to an insulated wire with a tight thread "joint" on one edge. Come to think of it, you could probably even sew plastic sheet around it.

Well, anyhow, I'm in the planning/ordering stages and that occurred to me, so I thought I'd pass it on in case you're interested. I think that's the way I'm going, perhaps even dip it in some paraffin when the sewing is done.
Besides, just think how cool to be using cloth covered "wire", just like the inventors of the Golden Age...

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Old 07-27-2012, 04:07 AM
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Hi sputnik
The carbon tow (thread like) has not provided to date, enough power to go to all that trouble. The one or two inch wide CF does provide much voltage but little amps. But so does copper coils. Bob may aggree or may not, I do not know for sure, but while he is testing the CF, I would concentrate time and money in other areas of this tech. Use copper secondaries for now as if the CF does work better later, everyone can add that later. What I see to date is that the copper is actually cheaper, easier to work with and doing an equal job. The superconductor thing about CF may show better than copper if higher volts and longer lengths were used but with what voltage we are using now, myself, I can not see the advantage yet.
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back Dana!
Thanks much, good info there. I still may give it a go after I scan back thru the thread a little, I did find it was pretty cheap here, first hit on Google, I'd look more carefully 1st though. I though Bob had some really good results with it but so much going on maybe I was confused. My ship finally comes in tomorrow, so big order day Buy buy buy
Got a nice scope on ebay today, don't have to put up with the PC audio card thing. Worked with good scopes all day for many years, don't think I could have lived with that for long. I know it's not needed a lot here yet, but we'll see.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:57 PM
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Hi sputnik
You will like the new digital scopes and learn more from them. As bob and I have seen with the flat tape shape CF, it does not work well as a primary coil. Short pieces (6 to 12 feet) do well as secondary when placed first on a core but not when put into the core center. Bob has even placed CF and copper in alternate layers but found that it seems as whatever energy the copper produces can be collected in one short strand of CF. CF can only collect what you cause to be generated and it will take only a small amount to get it all. Buy maybe a couple 12 foot sections first. The CF is not magical but is a super conductor so may be overkill for the voltage we use. You can do the exact same thing with copper or CF at out voltages now. We have gotten just short of 600 voltes from 12 volts with nothing really for amps in both copper and CF. Stay with UFO if you can with current teaching and do not get lost on CF. There will be plenty of time later to tune up a system once it is togeather. I am sure that Bob would like to have more ideas on CF but is hard to reach due to communication blackouts, no power and limited phone availability.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:32 AM
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good points.

Good points.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:13 AM
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Hi sputnik
One thing I forgot to mention is that we used 1/16 heat shrink to house the CF tow. After heating the finished tube, it was vary small in diameter. However, it seems that one of the reasons that the tow is poor is that even with that small of distance between the tow wires, it is too much. The flat one inch and two inch wide CF workes because the covering is food rap and the surface is a wide solid layer. We have found that CF is so totally absorbing everything in its surface that rolling it two layers thick does nothing more as everything goes into the first layer. Nothing gets thru to second layer. I hope you get what I am saying. The fabric you are talking about is maybe much thicker than food rap and will seperate the coil CF wires too much.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:15 AM
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Hi Dana
And thanks for even more valuable info. Yes, I do understand exactly what you are saying. Although plastic sheet tightly sewed could do well too, but I grasp what you mean. And it sounds like you have gone to quite an effort to understand it.
Yes, I got one of those fancy new scopes (used of course). It was quite cheap and although I could have gone even cheaper with a quite usable old style scope size is important to me, they are too cool being so thin. Where's the big suitcase that's supposed to be behind it?
Did order, order, order today. Much coming from China, so about 2 weeks before I can really get rolling. I also did get a small quantity of TOW, 2 6 foot pieces of 48K for some general fooling around ($3.50 delivered), we'll see where that goes. Since you set me straight on that issue I'm not going to let it hold me up, but I do have some ideas I wish to try.
Tomorrow the last of the ordering (components for the PWM setup) and then a trip to Radio Shack to see if I can save the shipping cost on the two motors. Then maybe I can do something besides twiddle my thumbs waiting on shipments.

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Old 07-30-2012, 09:16 PM
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Hello UFO,
Thanks for presenting vision regarding carbon fibers and their possible use in circuits, motors and ant-gravity devices of future. It was enjoyable and exciting read.

Regards and Many Thanks
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Hello ufopolitics
This is my first post in this thread.
I have been reading through the preceeding pages but I do not have my own internet connection so a lot of the pages are blocked I am not sure why. (maybe they have bad language etc)
I have read the pages that I can and I would like to replicate the coil device.
if you have a few moments could you look at this link starting on page 3-124.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf
It is patrick kelly's condensation of the information in this thread to date.
If there are any glaring problems with the information at that link could you point it out. I think it may be a good resource for all those trying to get up to speed here as it has a lot of the information together that is spread out through the thread.
Thank you
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At Last Kogs has the light

G'Day ALL
I have just now got my RS Motor going on the other thread and I decided that seeing so mant tried to help me see the light I must now try and see if I can -------WELL HERE IT IS

Kogs UFO Photos :: Kogs sees the LIGHT video by Kogs1 - Photobucket


Now I am sure it will be plain sailing from here on

@ Larry where is your setup I keep looking for it, have you finished it yet
Please show us here I am sure we would all like to see it


Kindest regards especially to you UFO AND all THOSE that helped me

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G'Day ALL
I have just now got my RS Motor going on the other thread and I decided that seeing so mant tried to help me see the light I must now try and see if I can -------WELL HERE IT IS

Kogs UFO Photos :: Kogs sees the LIGHT video by Kogs1 - Photobucket


Now I am sure it will be plain sailing from here on

@ Larry where is your setup I keep looking for it, have you finished it yet
Please show us here I am sure we would all like to see it


Kindest regards especially to you UFO AND all THOSE that helped me
G'Day UFO and All

I just now connected a small Motor instead of the CLF Bulb
It is a MY68 24v 6amp
I went really well I could not stop it
I then replaced it with a larger motor
A MY1018 36v 9.5Amp
It really took off I had to stop it as the heatsink was heating up very fast.

I really should get my Camcorder lady to take some vids
She said she has to learn how to use it first

My Friend Andrew is still trying to find 2 Windscreen motors to make one. He has several from the same make and model cars but they are all different he has decided how to fit the parts together to make one now so I imagine I should be able to wire one up soon.

Regards to all



Still trying getting there
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:48 PM
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Hi all

i am very happy to replicate this fantastic experiment

good luck at all

laurent

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Excellent Testing Woopy!!

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Hi all

i am very happy to replicate this fantastic experiment

good luck at all

laurent

cold electricity testing replication 1 - YouTube
Hello Woopy!!


Excellent testing!!...very simple Uh?...
Nice set up you've got there my friend!!


Thank You!


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Ian I am very happy it is working excellent !!

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G'Day UFO and All

I just now connected a small Motor instead of the CLF Bulb
It is a MY68 24v 6amp
I went really well I could not stop it
I then replaced it with a larger motor
A MY1018 36v 9.5Amp
It really took off I had to stop it as the heatsink was heating up very fast.

I really should get my Camcorder lady to take some vids
She said she has to learn how to use it first

My Friend Andrew is still trying to find 2 Windscreen motors to make one. He has several from the same make and model cars but they are all different he has decided how to fit the parts together to make one now so I imagine I should be able to wire one up soon.

Regards to all



Still trying getting there


Hello Ian!!


Ian, I am very happy it is working excellent for you my friend!!


Nice!!


Regards


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Hi all

i am very happy to replicate this fantastic experiment

good luck at all

laurent

cold electricity testing replication 1 - YouTube
Hello ! Dear Woopy! U doung reat work with your experiments!
Thank you very much!!!!!

I have schematics of one exp thatI woud like to replicate but I havent induction cooker, maybe you have a cooker and a wish to perlicate this?
cooker- YouTube
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Motor as a Charger

Hello UFO!

I have one idea how to convert a Electro scooter of my son into some kinda Perpeum mobile

I woukd like to know your opinion


Thanks

Vadim
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