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Old 02-25-2012, 12:13 PM
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10x flux path.

@geotron,

Did you take note of the pop up at 2:07 in Thane's video? It states that:

"Primary flux path reluctance is about 10 times greater then the alternate secondary route".

Increasing the secondary windings might cause BEMF to seep back to the primary. Thane reports a COP of 377% with his secondaries under load, measured only in practically useless milliwatts. A pretty flimsey gizmo, not really good for too much currently. Getting more power out is the central problem. I think your new high permeability core variant II with the 1/4" to 2.5" flux path ratio might help solve the problem.

"Thane Heins" Ottawa University BiTT TRANSFORMER DEMO July 11, 2009 - YouTube

I concieved of your latest configuration independently, and wholeheartedly approve! There may be an even simpler approach:

Consider the largest size Metglass toroid with a primary winding at 6 O'Clock, and two secondaries at 10 and 2, with holes drilled to each side of the primary measured to the 10 to 1 flux path reluctance ratio.

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Old 02-26-2012, 05:49 AM
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Ah, yes so it does -



It will be interesting to find how the following type of configuration
performs. Also hopefully still of interest is the toroidal transformer
from the [video] with a magnet-induced decoupling core.


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Old 02-26-2012, 02:48 PM
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Nano-crystalline toroid

Magnetec offers an over 20 inch O.D. toroid, 500 mm

MH&W Nanocrystalline Cores

"The new COOL BLUE range completes MAGNETECís series of high performance toroids made from the nano-crystalline material NANOPERM. Available are cores up to 500 mm (!) outer diameter and several space saving stadium-shaped (oval) variants".

These toroids are tape wound. It might work better to drill the reluctance holes in through the sides rather then down from the top.

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Old 02-27-2012, 11:27 PM
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:04 AM
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Here's a new design that I've come up with. This design uses 2 ferrite rings and 3 ferrite rods.

Yep.




Russian M15BA-300-1k Ferrite Ring 100x50x9 mm ,Lot of 6 | eBay



I suppose if you couldn't find a ferrite rod thick or long enough, you could construct magnetite rods.

Reference: Dr. Peter Lindemann Speaks on Magnetite Core Material - YouTube
Reference: Magnetite Cores - YouTube
Reference: Magnitite Cores 2 - YouTube


Enjoy!

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These ought to be miniaturized and built into stuff!



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Old 03-08-2012, 05:23 PM
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New Bi-Toroid idea.

This attachment was difficult to copy, but it has the essential idea intact. "FreqShift" from the OverUnity Site Bi-Toroid thread has a 3 phase AC line Reactor, coupled with two horseshoe magnets on top and bottem. Pretty cool innovation, may even work!
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:26 AM
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No one thinks that the magnetite core and lord C. Hynes Perpetia, generator? In place of steel? By others to copy the work of the project?
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3D BiTT using toroids and rods

Hello,

I'd like to replicate this design as it seems simple and replicable with cheap equipment.

I have bought those toroids from Lithuanian guy recently. The design intended was the joule thief. However, I did quite a work with joule thief and didn't find any OU within the design (except it really drew every last bit of energy from 1.5V cells). That design is only voltage/current transponder capable of "tuning" to the load. So if a LED is attached - it "sets" the voltage for the LED and it works, but for the price of accordingly larger current drawn from the batt.

But, concerning the BiTT:

I'd like to ask what to use to stick the cores together (the "crowfoot in the cage" design) - would conductive glue be enough? I don't think holes/steel screws will work. Thank you.
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:30 AM
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In the design by vidbid 2/28/12, if the distance between the secondaries was 10 times less than their distance to the primary, would this not give you the desired 10 to 1 ratio? Flux path.
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Hello,

I'd like to replicate this design as it seems simple and replicable with cheap equipment.

I have bought those toroids from Lithuanian guy recently. The design intended was the joule thief. However, I did quite a work with joule thief and didn't find any OU within the design (except it really drew every last bit of energy from 1.5V cells). That design is only voltage/current transponder capable of "tuning" to the load. So if a LED is attached - it "sets" the voltage for the LED and it works, but for the price of accordingly larger current drawn from the batt.

But, concerning the BiTT:

I'd like to ask what to use to stick the cores together (the "crowfoot in the cage" design) - would conductive glue be enough? I don't think holes/steel screws will work. Thank you.
For myself, I wouldn't bother with glue or drilling holes through Ferrite. I would build a compression frame to hold the BiTT together. This how I would put it all together.



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Thank you. Now to get my hands on some ferrite rods and some thick plastic boards to start working. I will post results when it's done.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:54 AM
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Cool VRAM V2 (Vidbid Rotary Attraction Motor - Version 2)

Here's a design that I am working on.



It produces mechanical energy, a low voltage output and a high voltage output.

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hi all, anyone still working on this?
here is what ive come up with.... my holy crap meter went off...

part 1 output on and off dummy secondary load...
39A Don Smith Device Project: Incorporating Heins Bi-Toroid Technology - YouTube

part 2 input and output readings with improved connections
39B Don Smith Device Project: Incorporating Heins Bi-Toroid Technology part 2 - YouTube

btw the ramp up wave form was an added pleasantry only found at 1.22khz

cores made from ferrite toroids scored and snapped in half to facilitate winding the coils fast.
total turns not counted, added and removed turns according to inductance
1.022mH on primary 20 gauge magnet wire, and 6.3mH on each secondary 26 gauge magnet wire
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Awesome videos, mr.clean



I'm wondering what would happen if you connected the secondary outputs to bridge rectifiers in series, and stored the charge in a capacitor and then pulsed the output of the capacitor to ?
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Awesome videos, mr.clean



I'm wondering what would happen if you connected the secondary outputs to bridge rectifiers in series, and stored the charge in a capacitor and then pulsed the output of the capacitor to ?
thanks buddy, was easy aside from the ferrite etching with dremel and snapping apart the toroids.

and just last nite actually ive tried taking power from both secondaries simultaneously and got just what Mr.Ohm says

BUT... one secondary on fixed dummy load and the other secondary for output was a definite increase

im still in early testing, but my only concern was whether the output secondary was brighter or dimmer, and it was brighter. In alignment with Mr Heins's claim
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Here is my advice : you can test this setup with Figuera generator model if you can make two AC signals of some power with exactly 90 degrees shift in phase as described in thread related to this wonderful recovered invention. It is the same kind of devices as Thane one except output power is taken from the center coil. I expect much better results.!
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Here is my advice : you can test this setup with Figuera generator model if you can make two AC signals of some power with exactly 90 degrees shift in phase as described in thread related to this wonderful recovered invention. It is the same kind of devices as Thane one except output power is taken from the center coil. I expect much better results.!
Wow, sounds interesting, let us know
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Man you have a knack for making things work, way to go.
Where did you get the ferrite toroids.
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Wow, sounds interesting, let us know
Just compare with this thread documents : Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera
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New video

Here's a new video of a Thane Heins bi-toroid transformer again:

39A Don Smith Device Project: Incorporating Heins Bi-Toroid Technology - YouTube

Where does one shop for that type of split ferrite Toroid?

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hi all, anyone still working on this?
here is what ive come up with.... my holy crap meter went off...

part 1 output on and off dummy secondary load...
39A Don Smith Device Project: Incorporating Heins Bi-Toroid Technology - YouTube

part 2 input and output readings with improved connections
39B Don Smith Device Project: Incorporating Heins Bi-Toroid Technology part 2 - YouTube

btw the ramp up wave form was an added pleasantry only found at 1.22khz

cores made from ferrite toroids scored and snapped in half to facilitate winding the coils fast.
total turns not counted, added and removed turns according to inductance
1.022mH on primary 20 gauge magnet wire, and 6.3mH on each secondary 26 gauge magnet wire
Hi, nice work

What are the resistances of the 1.022mH and 6.3mH wraps ?

I've been developing the rotor-based approach to the acceleration-under-load effect, it's very promising.


Thanks,

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Once in the past I stumbled upon that
http://www.overunity.com/1640/rene-r...h/75517/image/

Now I think it may work quite nicely...
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BUT... one secondary on fixed dummy load and the other secondary for output was a definite increase
What kind of increase are you talking about? In your video you seem to just be showing the voltages but not currents. Both must be accounted for as well as phase relations if you are talking about energy. If you have taken this into account and have seen increases in energy in the system, would you mind expanding on your results?

Thanks,

Dave

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Thumbs up BiTT Shade Pole Motor Concept



I'm wonder why the BiTT Concept can't be incorporated into other designs. What about a twin axial shaded pole motor configured using the BiTT Concept?

I'm just throwing it out there.
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Thumbs up Ganged BiTTs Configuration



Here's another idea I had. Why can't BiTTs be ganged?

I'm just throwing it out there.
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Self running bi-toroid.

Self running bi-toroid from Mr. Clean:

39F Don Smith Device Project: BITOROID IN SELF-LOOP, WITH LOAD, NO BATTERY NO CAP - YouTube
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Hi all.
Nice work from M.Clean !

Forget Thane C. Heins. He got corrupted or whatever.. God knows.
Do I feel like there`s Deja-Vu in free energy arena researchers ?!?
I don`t get those guys. I mean someone accidentally discover "something interesting" and goes all way around the net and media to publicate "his/her work" .
But there is a problem then. This researcher (in this case Thane himself) then needs more
money to "perfect", "his invention" ,like Ismael Aviso and the likes of them.
Trouble is, that when BIG Money shows in front of them, they go mad on dreaming on miriads of money earned!! W0W !
But when they think they are less independent, than that is where all sort of problems arise.
Eventually the "Investors" (tptb & MiBs) ask their money back + interests from the so called perfected invention... hmmm.
They, according to the contract from that moment on, have all & exclusive copyrights about the "invention/s".

So guys, don`t you feel for these poor soul "inventors" like:
There was, once upon a time......::. ?????

I hope all the best to everyone here guys. Ciao !
Keep walking , they say.That`s what we all shall do
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