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Old 01-23-2012, 09:21 PM
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:06 AM
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Dave45,

Awesome video, looks promising. The input looks to be
pulsed DC. The following looks to be either a support
base allowing it to stand, or some kind of third coil.

Any additional info on this?



Here's another video, using a Bi-Toroid frame.
Its a bench test of the famed arrangement, with
a mysterious result.

[ Bitoroid BiTT Transformer - Unsolved Mystery - ]
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:02 AM
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Thumbs up Bi-Toroid Transformer

Interesting concept.

Thanks for your post.

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Old 02-01-2012, 08:01 AM
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Besides the input to my primary coil being pulsed DC, does my system
seem to be on the right track? My goal with it was to use the
thickness of the cores to prevent the bEMF from reaching the primary
while keeping the permeability of the materials at a level conducive
to producing lots of output.

Otherwise it has become a matter of expense and little availability
in finding the correct core parts to build a working system with
dual-reluctance materials.

My guess is ideally the transformer might be constructed from four
U-shaped ferrite cores and a thin primary, by comparison to my
current system with the extraordinary amount of .03 mig wire
accounting for the decoupling pathways.
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:45 PM
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Dave45,

Awesome video, looks promising. The input looks to be
pulsed DC. The following looks to be either a support
base allowing it to stand, or some kind of third coil.

Any additional info on this?



Here's another video, using a Bi-Toroid frame.
Its a bench test of the famed arrangement, with
a mysterious result.

[ Bitoroid BiTT Transformer - Unsolved Mystery - ]
I believe its a third coil

Your doing some interesting work, great vid, what are you using for a core, Im haveing the same problem finding core material,

I went yesterday and bought some three quarter weld grade round stock, would rather have ferrite or metglas but we do what we can.
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Old 02-01-2012, 01:55 PM
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Just an idea I want to try

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Old 02-02-2012, 08:30 AM
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Dave45,
The core materials I've used are ferrite and er70s mig welding wire.
In woopyjump's version of the BiTT, the output is enough that it
will power lightbulbs.

[ BiTT Power Factor 3 by woopyjump ]

---------------------------------------------------------

The input to the primary of the DC-pulsed BiTT from my video was at
roughly 1.25V through 20ohms or 78mW, while the output was at 144mV or 1mW.

When driving the primary with the following resonator circuit there
was an input of 12.5V and 96mA or 1.2W, while the output being 600mV
on a 20ohm was .018 Watts.



[ Video: Bi-Toroid Transformer Resonating ]

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Old 02-04-2012, 06:48 AM
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Output Examination

The following video will show running values from the same
transformer as in the other two I've posted, only this time
the meters are connected directly through the primary and
secondary coils to measure AC while a 47nF capacitor is
turned on and off from the circuit. The resonation of energy
with a capacitor seems to produce a desireable effect on the
output, running from a 12V laptop adapter.

I've omitted the mig-wire decoupling cores due to their
apparent non-functionality. They will actually decrease
the output values once in place.

[ Transformer Output Experiment ]
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:45 AM
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Black Wire BiTT

[ Performance Video ]

Primary: .9ohm, 3 layers 25g
Secondary 1: 1.7ohm, 3.57mH, 5 layers 25g
Secondary 2: 1.8ohm, 4.14mH, 5 layers 25g

Variac used with 120VAC outlet.
Results show,

10ohm resistor into primary reads ~ 2.165 VAC
Loading the secondaries does not seem to effect it.

20ohm output resistor reads .065 VAC when both
secondary coils are connected and .063 VAC with one.

Obviously these figures do not represent the correct outcome,
and I'd like to question why this is so. Upon viewing
woopyjump's favorable demonstration of his black wire BiTT,
the only noticeable difference seems to be the much
greater impedance of his primary.

Would then increasing the impedance of my primary coil cause
a resultant leap in output? Have I mistakenly used the wrong
type of black wire? What else could be going wrong?

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Old 02-11-2012, 02:21 AM
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It looks as though my question has already been answered...

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Old 02-13-2012, 11:10 AM
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A 3d BiTT could be build using off the shelves transformer cores. I've seen a similar design before but you could use 3 identical toroidal transformer cores to do the job. They could be silicon steel, nanoperm, metglass...toroids or a combination of them. All experiment I saw deal with mW ranges surely that could be scaled up?
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:46 AM
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Arrow 2D/3D BiTT & Rings BiTT

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A 3d BiTT could be build using off the shelves transformer cores. I've seen a similar design before but you could use 3 identical toroidal transformer cores to do the job. They could be silicon steel, nanoperm, metglass...toroids or a combination of them. All experiment I saw deal with mW ranges surely that could be scaled up?
I think that 3D design would work when comparing essentially the same thing in 2D.



It's basically two small rings inside one large ring.



I wonder if the rings couldn't be built out of iron wire.

Regards,

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Old 02-14-2012, 08:24 AM
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I wonder if the rings couldn't be built out of iron wire.

Regards,

Vidbid
I'm talking about high power outputs something which needs some decent bulky efficient power transformer cores to achieve. As far as I can tell I haven't seen any kW Bitt's before.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:33 AM
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Yep. I was interested in the coil configuration.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:40 AM
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The tri-toroid configuration looks workable... as for this
black wire version, it's ability to transfer magnetic flux
seems to be lacking in a big way.

The following is my report after rewinding the primary. Having
used masking tape between the layers, an inadvertant connection
has left it a bit darkened from heat. Thankfully caught in time
to avoid producing flames, the coil has shown to be resilient.

After connecting it through a variac it has shown to have
better performance than the previous one, although does not
yet look to produce a gain in energy.

The primary core of two wires is secured to the inner toroid
of four wires by bending each sideways and then wrapping around
it with another wire. This method may be partially responsible
for the transfer performance, versus having one continuous
pathway from the primary core into each secondary coil.

It would have been extraordinary to wind this primary coil
in place between the two secondaries with the mass of wire
that it took.

Perhaps spot-welding it would improve things a little... ?

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Old 02-21-2012, 09:38 AM
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3D BiTT

In going with the designs posted from Feb. 13th, the new
transformer is up and running. Shown as follows, it is
constructed with silicon - manganese steel alloy.

[ Performance Video ]

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Old 02-21-2012, 10:33 AM
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Fortunately the system performs to indicate that this
particular range of steel does not have enough permeability.

What would be a suitable reluctance value for the primary cores?
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Old 02-21-2012, 12:52 PM
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Have you tried florist wire, its iron enamel coated, would be cheap and worth a shot.
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:13 AM
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With the amount of work it takes to get one of these transformers
wound up, experimenting with wire as a core material is an endeavor
I'll be leaving to rest. Unless using professionally made toroids
composed of either ferrite or another standard core material, results
are not guaranteed... it would be pleasant to find out what the
permeability values are of a functioning BiTT.

Also it would be helpful to view a demonstration of a standalone
BiTT platform designed to be independant of complex power supply
systems and meters, running from and loop-charging a capacitor
while also connected to a Load.

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:50 PM
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Without the use of a dual-toroid core for the primary,
instead having the secondary coils on a direct path,
would the following method allow success in decoupling
the output from the source?

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:55 PM
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By accident I found that there's actually a commercial version of the 3d core, well it's 3 ferrite R cores stuck together. Quite funny coincidence.



R-Core Transformer Manufacturers - R-Core Transformer Exporters and Wholesalers - China Suppliers
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:12 PM
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By accident I found that there's actually a commercial version of the 3d core, well it's 3 ferrite R cores stuck together. Quite funny coincidence.



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All we need to do is saw slots part way through the upper and lower cross bars on either side of the designated primary. Nice find broli!

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:18 PM
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Why would you saw slots? Besides if you want to leave some space inbetween you could just put 3 R type cores together yourself which is what the 3d core really is.



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Old 02-23-2012, 05:32 PM
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Sawed Bitt.

@broli,

Have a look at the BITT drawing in the attachment. This should help explain why slots would help. Please take note of the cutouts to the middle leg to lower primary permittivity. Drilling four large holes might work even better, or just working them down from the outside with a hand file. I emailed BAOTAO in Shanghai, and plan to ask them if they can build a custom "R core transformer" with reduced permittivity primary rectangle bridges. Baotao's CadCam laser cutting capability should be able to down size the four horizontal primary cross bars by a factor of 1/10th, the ratio Thane Heins has found works best.

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Old 02-24-2012, 03:00 AM
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Would cutting slots in the primary core or otherwise insulating it
from the secondary core legs be enough to generate the effect without
extra flux paths?

With the primary signal fed to the secondary coils through the
same route as the two are connected to harvest the bEMF, will this
hinder the output?
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:26 AM
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Triangle R Cores

@geotron,

Let's say we drill four one inch holes through any two R cores in the set of three: Two holes in the top cross bars, and two holes in the bottem cross bars. The corner junction of the two drilled sections would naturally be where the primary coil should be located. These, along with the primary coil, would act the same as the "H" bridge in Thane's Bi Toroid transformer.

The two secondaries would then be linked by the undrilled R core with ten times the flux permittivity through the cross bars, just like the thicker toroid ringing the outside of Thane's "H" bridge. The flux path between the secondarie's undrilled R core would be so much greater then the drilled sections, the BEMF would necessarily travel back and forth between the secondaries only, and not back through the drilled sections to the primary coil. When the BEMF from the seconday in a regular two coil transformer reaches the primary coil, more input power needs to be added.

I don't know how easy it would be to drill holes in the grained silicon steel laminations, but the material is the highest state of the art. I emailed the "BAOTAO" company for a unit price quote in Shanghai China.

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Old 02-24-2012, 08:16 AM
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The method you've outlined would surely produce a desireable outcome
with the tri-core design. In one of the videos was shown a variant
of the BiTT in which there appears to be a primary core connected
directly with the secondary core in between the two coils as shown



In pursuit of replicating this particular design I have constructed
the following devices, although I am not certain whether this type
of transformer is capable of the same performance as one utilizing
the tri-toroid configuration.

[ video link ]

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Old 02-24-2012, 10:22 AM
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What kind of interaction might take place between the primary and
secondary coils with a linear flux path?

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Old 02-24-2012, 02:20 PM
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BITT Core Ratios.

@geotron,

Take a very close look at the picture of Thane's Bi-Toroid varient of 2008 with the linear primary attached to the secondary core. The primary core is the size of a Soda Straw, and the secondary a good sized Angel Cake. I noticed your primary to secondary ratios range from 50% to 20%, which is still twice the proportion you see in Thane's photo. We see thicker primary cores in Thane's other designs, but the reluctance is made up for in weaker material composition. This is the major drawback to Thane's concept, because the gain is restricted to the milliamp range due to the ten times reduced flux reluctance ratio of the primary to secondary core sizes. The primary either winds up too small, or the secondary core too large and unwieldy. I see nothing wrong with your linear BITT design except the primary core is way oversized, assuming the materials share the same degree of reluctance. Your primary core should be spaghetti thin to fit in correct proportion to the secondary in your schematic.

Take another look at the three rings design. Each of the two primary Metglass rings would need very large holes drilled at top and bottem to increase the flux path reluctance by a factor of ten. Anything less then that would allow BEMF to leak back to the primary coil. However, these nano-perm materials have ten thousand times the permeability of the welding wire and oxide castings. The output would increase a thousand fold, but still be in the fractional amp range.

Try clipping half the er7ds mig welding wires to your 3-D Bi-Toroid primary then recheck for milliamp gain in your secondaries!

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Old 02-25-2012, 12:00 PM
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Either the material reluctance of the primary core or the size of its
flux path must be 1/10th that of the secondary core?

What if a hi-permeability material is used for both cores, while the
ratio of the flux path is proportioned such that the primary core is
one quarter units in diameter while the secondary core is 2.5 units?
Every bit of the flux generated in the primary core would reach the
secondary coils, and there ought to be an incredible power output...

The system demonstrated to be producing 3.3V on a 27ohm ( 403mW )
load with 104.8V .003A ( 314mW ) into the primary is built such that
it looks like the cores are being underutilized by the frilly amount
of wire on them.

Has this transformer from the [ video ] been upgraded with thicker coils?

Now for another variant - also capable of decoupling from the input?

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