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We have been thought in school that magnetism is "a property of materials that respond at an atomic or subatomic level to an applied magnetic field" (Wikipedia). The magnetic field is "demonstrated" in a magnet bar, as the simplest way to visualise it. By extension, the same was demonstrated with an electromagnet.

Next is an example which contradicts all this theory.
We have been presented with the concept of Cyclotron: File:Cyclotron patent.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please note in the figure the "Magnetic Field" which it will make us believe that magnets or electromagnets will be used to create that field.

Now you'll see the principle of Cyclotron demonstrated to a small scale: Ball Cyclotron.

Does anyone sees magnets or electromagnets? Even the title of the video clip says it is an "electrostatic accelerator".

Russell said that the fields at the extremities of a magnet bar are the two opposite electric fields centered by the magnetism which generates and controls them. The same for the extremities of an electromagnet.

The Earth has been presented as:
1. A giant magnet
2. A big ball which like other celestial bodies manifests gravitation.

Except ferromagnetic materials, nobody proved a magnet experiencing gravity-like properties. A bar magnet will not "attract" paper, dust, or metals like aluminium, copper, etc. But an electrostatic charged baton will do it. So it seems an electrostaticaly charged body will manifest gravity-like properties better than a bar magnet.

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In the pdf, the writer mentions that they couldn't get the coils close enough together to replicate the experiment exactly. I was thinking that maybe Russell used conical shaped coils that emulate the spiral vortices he writes about.

Just a thought,

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This is precisely what I think it wrong with that experiment. Russell stressed the use of conical shaped coils to represent the two poles of nature yet these replicators think they know better. I hope anyone here replicating the experiment will do it with conical coils, otherwise it's a waste of time.

As for talk about Russell's generator I found this picture on SVPwiki which is highly interesting. Might not be the diagram that is missing but it is a diagram of his generator none-the-less.

http://pondscienceinstitute.on-rev.c...COS/SD_298.jpg

Don't know the exact origin of this picture and unfortunately it looks like it could have been tampered with but who knows.

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As for talk about Russell's generator I found this picture on SVPwiki which is highly interesting. Might not be the diagram that is missing but it is a diagram of his generator none-the-less.

http://pondscienceinstitute.on-rev.c...COS/SD_298.jpg

Don't know the exact origin of this picture and unfortunately it looks like it could have been tampered with but who knows.

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I've been going over the drawing you posted, looks like it was done on a chalk board, anyway I have started to model the components and figure out how it would go together. I've attached the test renders below.

It is a very interesting design. The coil arrangement is obviously designed to simulate the spiral vortices, and the outer air core and inner solid core is designed to concentrate the field in towards the center of the spirals.

I don't yet know if the coils rotate around the copper rod or if they simply rotate on there own central axis. Also how does it generate anything without some magnets?

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P.S. The white parts represent the coil windings, and the metal parts the coil core. The black piece in the center of the whole thing is the insulation between the two halves.
I still have to figure out the shaft etc.
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Notes On The Works of Walter & Lao Russell

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There is a continual emphasis throughout Walter and Lao's work upon the distinction between knowing and repeating. For example, one can repeat information without necessarily knowing its meaning or significance.In relation to this concept, the brain is seen as a recording mechanism for sensed experience, and the Mind, while acting through it, is distinct from it. Likewise, our senses are receptors for wave motion. They span only a limited bandwidth. We might extend this range with instruments like microscopes, telescopes, and the like, but they can also sometimes be deceived by motion.I'm sure many are familiar with the phenomena of seeing a pinwheel moving clockwise when viewed from one direction and counter-clockwise when viewed from the other, or how a fast moving object can sometimes seem to stand still. There are similar illusions for every sense(hearing, touch, etc.), and not just sight. This fact is extremely important to bear in Mind whenever we observe things, even with our instrumentation (such as in "Empirical Science").Only the Mind can encompass the whole spectrum, and in so doing, know the transcendental Causeof all manifest effects directly.
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I've been going over the drawing you posted, looks like it was done on a chalk board, anyway I have started to model the components and figure out how it would go together. I've attached the test renders below.

It is a very interesting design. The coil arrangement is obviously designed to simulate the spiral vortices, and the outer air core and inner solid core is designed to concentrate the field in towards the center of the spirals.

I don't yet know if the coils rotate around the copper rod or if they simply rotate on there own central axis. Also how does it generate anything without some magnets?

Cheers,

Steve

P.S. The white parts represent the coil windings, and the metal parts the coil core. The black piece in the center of the whole thing is the insulation between the two halves.
I still have to figure out the shaft etc.
I am still not entirely sure but I do believe that the output is on the copper disk rather than from the coils similar to the homopolar generator so the coils would be powered and the you'd get your output from your coils. There is not too much other information I've found regarding this but the captions on the picture talk about taking output from certain points on the disk.

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I am still not entirely sure but I do believe that the output is on the copper disk rather than from the coils similar to the homopolar generator so the coils would be powered and the you'd get your output from your coils. There is not too much other information I've found regarding this but the captions on the picture talk about taking output from certain points on the disk.

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The pdf posted just above by purelyconstructive has a much clearer description of the device and others. Very interesting.
The copper disk / commutator must rotate but I'm not sure how/why it rotates. I get the impression that the positioning of the brushes on the disk correspond with peak pressure zones in the field that is created when the 4 coils are energized. Maybe this why he thinks 4 separate currents can be collected.

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Hi All,

Well I got bored today and decided to wind some conical coils. Talk about epic fail!

As I would get to about the halfway point winding from the apex to the base, the outer diameter winds would jump position and come off the coil form. Tried using tape and all sorts of stuff. Not going to happen.

I will now get some removable cores made just like in the latest pdf posted and attach normal coils to them in series. I'll just do two at first to see if I can at least get some observations before going further.

I have attached a render of the coil cores. The separate coils will be glued onto these cores and series connected (4 coils per core)

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Well I got bored today and decided to wind some conical coils. Talk about epic fail!

As I would get to about the halfway point winding from the apex to the base, the outer diameter winds would jump position and come off the coil form. Tried using tape and all sorts of stuff. Not going to happen.

I will now get some removable cores made just like in the latest pdf posted and attach normal coils to them in series. I'll just do two at first to see if I can at least get some observations before going further.

I have attached a render of the coil cores. The separate coils will be glued onto these cores and series connected (4 coils per core)

Cheers,

Steve

Check out Dave's Method of making Conical coil....easy breezy

http://www.energeticforum.com/172395-post323.html

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I used cardboard cone shapes covered with thin, foam double side tape. Also, secured every few turns with crazy glue. There should be some pics in Pyramid thread. This winding process went well even with AWG#26. I still have both cones. Couldn't continue due to financial difficulties.

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Thank you back for taking a moment to acknowledge my efforts to try to get things sorted and share results.



@hann,
Thank you for indicating it is a split document,
and that the document is still missing important parts !

I see your point clearly now, and I'll keep
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Hope this gets everyone on the same page.
Ruddy excellent work mate. You just set up the field for the rest of us
Still very incomplete as you see from my later posts,
but a fair starting point for most people following this
until the rest are found & shared by one of us.



On the matter of Walter Russell - Atomic Suicide,
I have this information from an owner I wrote to:

Page-112 (First sentence) says:
"God creates three pairs of disunited male and female bodies
upon His extending octave wave shaft-
and then a united fourth pair at His thought-wave amplitude."

Page-156 (First sentence) says:
"All matter dies a centrifugally dividing heat death,
but it also lives a centripetally multiplying heat life."



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Check out Dave's Method of making Conical coil....easy breezy

http://www.energeticforum.com/172395-post323.html

What sort of cable was that? Looks like a good method.

I still think I will do it as I described before. I believe I can get a much stronger field strength due to the greater number of turns involved.

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What sort of cable was that? Looks like a good method.

I still think I will do it as I described before. I believe I can get a much stronger field strength due to the greater number of turns involved.

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Ask Dave on his thread...He'll be more than happy to give you the specs
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Hello fellow enthusiasts,

I have a question that I need to ask that is burning to come out. What IF Walter Russell is wrong? What proves the fact he (Walter Russell) was on the right path?

Then, all of our research and energy is being directed in the wrong direction.

I hope my fears are understood to why I am asking these question.

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Hello fellow enthusiasts,

I have a question that I need to ask that is burning to come out. What IF Walter Russell is wrong? What proves the fact he (Walter Russell) was on the right path?

Then, all of our research and energy is being directed in the wrong direction.

I hope my fears are understood to why I am asking these question.

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It would just mean that an awful lot of people that preceded him and followed him, and found more or less the same pattern in Nature are wrong


as for what proves he was right...not much....but he seems to echo quite a bit of what was written and said about Nature and its processes by previous researchers throughout our recent history...It just depends on how you interpret it...IMHO
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What sort of cable was that? Looks like a good method.

I still think I will do it as I described before. I believe I can get a much stronger field strength due to the greater number of turns involved.

Cheers,

Steve
It looks like 300 Ohm antenna cable. They were commonly used in '60 - '80 for TV's and AM radio sets. They maybe still used today for different applications.
I had one conical coil also done with CAT5 wire which was quite simple to wind on the form with help of crazy glue. It gave me multifilar winding. I didn't have a chance to continue with several projects which I was working on. Work of Russell is fascinating however not easy to comprehend sometimes but definitely worth following. He was on the right path (IMO).

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Lightbulb John Bedini's "negative" spike..

In John Bedini's video's, its interesting to see he often referred to Walter Russell... Yet in the writings, I haven't seen Bedino or Tom Bearden mention him.

In the video, Bedini says we must capture the radiant spike. He also often calls it 'negative' electricity, and also mentions 'splitting the positive'

However, to relate this to Walter Russell's work, I think it's actually 'positive' electricity, as electricity is positive, and magnetism is negative.

This would make sense then, as positive is attractive, and magnetism is repulsive....
So the electricity is somehow being attracted, gathered... Instead of scattered by radiation (current, magnetism)

Also keep in mind that electricity is cold (static, voltage), whereas magnetism (radiating, current) is hot.

Cold electricity!

So this is what they are talking about.... Not negative electricity, but positive, attractive, generative, cold electricity.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't for a second think I know more than Bedini.

Just wanted to point that out.... as I found the vids a bit misleading after reading WR's books.
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In John Bedini's video's, its interesting to see he often referred to Walter Russell... Yet in the writings, I haven't seen Bedino or Tom Bearden mention him.

In the video, Bedini says we must capture the radiant spike. He also often calls it 'negative' electricity, and also mentions 'splitting the positive'

However, to relate this to Walter Russell's work, I think it's actually 'positive' electricity, as electricity is positive, and magnetism is negative.

This would make sense then, as positive is attractive, and magnetism is repulsive....
So the electricity is somehow being attracted, gathered... Instead of scattered by radiation (current, magnetism)

Also keep in mind that electricity is cold (static, voltage), whereas magnetism (radiating, current) is hot.

Cold electricity!

So this is what they are talking about.... Not negative electricity, but positive, attractive, generative, cold electricity.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't for a second think I know more than Bedini.

Just wanted to point that out.... as I found the vids a bit misleading after reading WR's book
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If you look into Leedskalnin's writings, he also mentions the importance of negative being actually positive, attractive, generative,



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Using different terms but the idea is the same as Russell's writing ;

Edward Leedskalnin: Magnetic Current

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Matter --- Every form of existence, whether it be rock, tree or animal, has a beginning and an end, but the three things that all matter is constructed from has no beginning and no end. They are the North and South pole individual magnets, and the neutral particles of matter. These three different things are the construction blocks of everything. To begin, a meteor rock falls in the sun, the sun dissolves the rock to the final division of matter, the North and South pole individual magnets, and the sunlight then sends them out here


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To the electrical engineers the positive electricity is everything, the negative electricity is nothing, but to the physicists the negative electricity is everything, and the positive electricity is nothing. Looking from a neutral standpoint they cancel each other, so we have no electricity, but we have something. If we do not know how to handle the thing that comes through a wire from a generator or a battery, we will get badly shocked. Read the booklet Magnetic Current; then you will know what the thing is, and the way it runs through a wire.
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Brilliant thanks! Just need to try and wrap my head around that now...

I was actually watching a youtube vid on coral castle the other day, however it wasn't at all technical. Interesting, but as an intro only
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Using same terms but the idea is the different as Russell's writing ;
Sorry MonsieurM, I had to twist your phrase (above) to make a point

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In John Bedini's video's, its interesting to see he often referred to Walter Russell... Yet in the writings, I haven't seen Bedino or Tom Bearden mention him.

In the video, Bedini says we must capture the radiant spike. He also often calls it 'negative' electricity, and also mentions 'splitting the positive'
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Just wanted to point that out.... as I found the vids a bit misleading after reading WR's books.
In my opinion, with regard to WR's definitions, often the terms like Back Electromotive Force (BEMF) and Couter Electromotive Force are misunderstood reflecting the area of education. These words pass as a slang on different professions and often may look even contradictory.
Dr. Lindemann will describe it as it manifests in electric motors. A counter motive force (which in my opinion is different than BEMF) which will generate an opposing magnetic field, yada, yada, yada....
John Bedini will describe it as the spike generated when a current is suddenly interrupted while flowing through a coil. As a friend pointed out a long time ago, Tesla considered the spike not being BEMF, nor counter EMF (CEMF). Better quote the master when talking about radiant energy.

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The circuit, including the motor is of relatively high self-induction, and this property is imparted to it by the coils of the motor, or, when these are not sufficient, by the addition of suitable choking-coils, so that at each break of the motor-circuit a current of high electromotive force will be developed for charging the condenser, which may therefore be small and inexpensive.
Walter Russell defined radiative action as the return to the Source, fulfilling the desire for rest. Radiating away from the compressed action which forms also matter. Integrating event (EMF) vs. disintegrating event (BEMF). The so called "radiative spike" in Bedini terminology, is in fact just pure EMF. dI/dt in this case is INFINITE and an oscilloscope cannot display it. Not in amplitude, nor in duration. A later spike... yes, but that is the effect of radiant event.

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However, to relate this to Walter Russell's work, I think it's actually 'positive' electricity, as electricity is positive, and magnetism is negative.

This would make sense then, as positive is attractive, and magnetism is repulsive....
So the electricity is somehow being attracted, gathered... Instead of scattered by radiation (current, magnetism)

Also keep in mind that electricity is cold (static, voltage), whereas magnetism (radiating, current) is hot.

Cold electricity!

So this is what they are talking about.... Not negative electricity, but positive, attractive, generative, cold electricity.
As different researchers (Edwin Gray, Dr. Lindemann, John Bedini, Ed Leedskalnin, etc.) use different terminology the confusion tends to increase. Sometimes people use same terms but the idea is different, so the confusion is even greater.

While discussing Russell science, I better use Russell's words.

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Man's senses have misled him into believing in a force called magnetism which attracts compass needles and lifts tons of steel. These phenomena of motion are due to electricity and not to magnetism. The cosmic Light is absolutely still. It neither attracts nor repels.
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Electricity is the strain or tension set up by the two opposing desires of universal Mind thinking: the desire for balanced action and the desire for rest.
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In other words, they are all being either compressed or expanded if we use pressure terms; or charged and discharged if we use electrical terms. Both are the same. Likewise, all that are being compressed or charged by positive electricity are simultaneously being expanded and discharged by negative electricity to a lesser extent.
Likewise, all that are being expanded by negative electricity are simultaneously being compressed and charged by positive electricity to a lesser extent.
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Both are the same. Likewise, all that are being compressed or charged by positive electricity are simultaneously being expanded and discharged by negative electricity to a lesser extent.
You are quite correct if there is a confusion in using different terms to convey the same idea...there must surely be also a confusion in using the same terms to convey a different idea.

Thanks barbosi for pointing that out....fractal indeed


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The Principle of Polarity.

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There are things (phenomena) which most of us cannot easily understand.
Some examples:
Bennet's doubler - YouTube
Viktor Schauberger : Lord Kelvin Water Drop Electrostatic Generator - YouTube
or even
Ball Cyclotron (electrostatic accelerator) - YouTube

It is my own opinion that all these experiments were given to us not to replicate them at a larger scale to fulfil our desire for a cup of warm tea.
If we would do that we would become not more that automatons.
These are meant to inspire us and become creators. To create our very own materialisation of an idea.

I thought this thread was somehow different and I think I was wrong. I apologise to other Russell researchers, but I see no point in pursuing this.

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all these experiments were given to us not to replicate them at a larger scale to fulfill our desire for a cup of warm tea.
If we would do that we would become not more that automatons.
These are meant to inspire us and become creators. To create our very own materialisation of an idea.
I second that. I did replicate Lord Kelvin experiment but only to clearly see, touch (ouch!) and contemplate. It did inspire me more than just description and b/w picture in the school book. I'm test-bench type thinker lol.

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How can we possibly create anything if we don't first understand the principles of the technology. I think it is vital the we replicate Walter Russell's work and experiments. Only then, with a proper understanding of what we are doing, can we apply the knowledge to create bigger and better things.

If you think it's a waste of time, fine. You are free to waste your own time on other stuff.

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Thanks for the updated document.

What I don't understand is how you can pulse the coils from both ends if they are connected by the bi-filar coil?

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purelyconstructive, this is all fine and purely constructive but give me example where is is used to power house or heat it for ordinary not rich person.
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Hi All,

I've been thinking about the power supply issue with regards to the optical generator coils. I have modified the diagram from the pdf to illustrate my changes.

I have isolated each conical coil and each winding of the bi-filar coil (Black & Blue). At this stage I'm not sure which way the bi-filar windings are connected, but this is the only way I can think of to power the coils properly.

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