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Old 01-10-2011, 03:41 AM
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Im fascinated by dreams and thought i would start a thread to hear about any crazy dreams that you guys may have had. I have made it a hobby to remember what i dreamed about when i wake up every morning and i think its gotten easier to remember them now than it used to be. Sometimes i'll remember what i dreamed out of the blue in the middle of the day lol.

It amazes me how real and vivid our dreams can be. The other night i had about 10 completely different extremely vivid dreams in one night. In one of them i walked into a room in a skyscraper that had nothing but windows for walls, amazing view. Then i was on a boat riding big waves in the middle of the ocean, then i was chasing a car in a parking lot...and there was much more, i woke up feeling like i came out of a action packed movie.

I usually dont have dreams that vivid, let alone 10 of them. I've never figured out how to control myself or my dreams. A handful of times i've realized i was inside a dream but i usually wake up when it happens.

I cant believe we can walk into a room that we've never been in, and see every detail, from the type of carpet, the color and texture of the walls the style of the ceiling and see people we've never seen before but yet still see every detail in them. The shape of their faces the freckles on their skin. In one dream i walked up to a little boy and could see the light reflecting in the tears on his cheeks. It was so real it felt like i've been there but i woke up and realized i was only inside my own mind.

What do you guys think about dreams, is it just your imagination or do you think we can subconsciously connect to higher realms? past lives? other realities?
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:32 AM
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Nadda, this sounds like a great discussion! I myself dream vividly a great deal of the time and I have always been fascinated by dreams and contemplate their purpose and meaning.

I find the architecture in my dreams extremely detailed. Buildings I have never been in, places I have never visited. Two nights ago I dreamed I was in a building in a large city. People lived there, but there was also an area of this building that looked like a hospital. It was extremely detailed with just about everything you'd find in an actual real-life setting. I was with some family members who were milling about the building and I would run into them in certain parts, by an elevator, or in a random room, but we are talking about fully furnished rooms with all sorts of odds and ends around. I remember one of the more interesting rooms had strange lamps, several misc items, a glowing painting, oddly colored carpet and an old fashioned rocking chair, none of which I believe I have ever seen before.

This gets me to my point that I have believed for awhile that many aspects of our dreams are derived not from our own mind, but from other peoples experiences that have been documented in the collective unconscious. A small bit of research revealed that others including Carl Jung may have had similar beliefs but I am not sure if any of them went as far as to say that one persons experience was being used in another persons dream.

There are many things to be discussed such as what is the real reason we dream, why do some people have dreams that accurately foretell the future and why are some dreams so clearly remembered while some vanish even before we wake up.

Everything with a brain appears to dream, the question is why?
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:49 PM
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I've read in a couple of places now that when we are asleep, we visit the astral plane and work with beings there to help us work through problems/issues with our current life and prepare for the "future".
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:25 PM
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Gary, why, is a good question and i've honestly never thought about that. I've often wondered what the point of sleep itself is. If our brains never stop, why can we not stay conscious all the time. As far as i've been able to find theres no specific answer as to why we need sleep. The same goes for dreams, why not just allow time to pass in the blink of an eye like it does, without dreams. Weather i dream or not i always seem to instantly wake up as soon as i fall asleep even though 8 hours passes. Why dream..

I believe dreams can be everything. Some dreams can be your imagination, some could be premonitions, other could be the astral plane like ImBill said.
I've had about 4-5 dreams in my life that i truly believe were premonitions. I look at things like, seeing the future, with skeptical eyes but i was shocked by the accuracy and details of those specific dreams when i later seen them played out in real life. One of them happened the very next day.

I can only remember one specific time that i actually woke up inside a dream, and stayed asleep. In my dream i was in my house that i previously lived in and when i woke up in the dream, i couldnt believe it, and actually started walking around the house just looking at everything. I could open any door and walk anywhere i wanted. That was the only time i could control myself and my dream. I havent been able to do it again.

Have any of you guys ever experienced Deja Vu from a dream? I have had a ton of dreams that, while im in the dream it feels like ive dreamed it a million times before.

How about flying, i've flown and have jumped over buildings and could see everything..i could see myself leave the ground and see everything else on the ground...how is that possible to even imagine in such clarity.
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:06 AM
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Have any of you guys ever experienced Deja Vu from a dream? I have had a ton of dreams that, while im in the dream it feels like ive dreamed it a million times before.
Oh yeah. As a kid, I had this crazy dream about what ended up being an evil clown, but started out really indistinct and hard to see. It was on a kids bike, riding down a path beside our house where there's a really steep hill. I can still remember the sense of growing dread, watching this thing coming towards me, knowing it was a dream, knowing what was about to happen in the dream because I thought I'd dreamed it before, being filled with horror as I saw this clown thing with fangs careening at speed towards me, tongue lolling out, sharp teeth bared, the malice in it's eyes and claws as it reached for me, I dived, it swerved and lunged and grabbed but missed, I just escaped it and it was gone down the hill as fast as it came. Then I woke up and, and realised that although I knew what was going to happen before it happened because I'd dreamed it before in the dream, that I'd never had that dream before.

I get really intense emotional catharsis from dreaming, my feelings in dreams are hyper-real. So nightmares are not fun for me. I've found I can catch myself at the point where it gets lucid and guide my dream, like dreaming I can suddenly fly to escape from threat, or make myself invisible, or gain super human strength and dream myself out of trouble even as I'm waking up.

The weirdest thing is though, I very rarely remember my dreams now.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:49 AM
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Then I woke up and, and realised that although I knew what was going to happen before it happened because I'd dreamed it before in the dream, that I'd never had that dream before.
Yeah, thats exactly what i experience. I'm no clown fan, so glad i dont dream about them (whatever you do, dont watch "IT" by stephen king). Ghosts usually haunt my dreams.

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Yeah, sometimes when my dreams get really scary, I sometimes realize its a dream and i start telling myself to wake up lol. When a dinosaur is biting you what else can you do lol. I suck at fighting back against scary dreams, i once got into a gun fight and ended up giving myself a gun that didnt work and only shot plastic bullets lol.
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:08 PM
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I have had dreams about flying for as long as I can remember. At first, I used to start off running and then my strides would get longer and longer and I would start kind of floating, then zoom off into the sky. At some point, I finally realized that all I have to do is exercise this ability. There's some kind of special energy or something that I access. It's kind of like just concentrating on floating and I just levitate into the air. After that, it's kind of like I would imagine a Seque would be, I just kind of tilt myself in the direction I want to go and I'm off. Sometimes I really have to work and concentrate to get more than a few inches up.

I've always had recurring dreams, but they are rarely the same sequence of events, they just happen in the same place. There are quite a few places that I visit in dreams that are very familiar and/or I visit quite often. Most cannot be traced back to anywhere that I am consciously familiar with. My most vivid and stress inducing dreams usually involve some kind of weird stairs with no railings, landings with no stairs below them, creaky/leaning stairs, wobbling stairs, etc. I seem to have lots of those.

Characters and scenery change very abruptly quite often. I've also had a three dreams in the past year or so that I remember quite well in which a horrible catastrophe has happened. The first two started with a feeling of impending doom. The first one you could see something building up on the horizon, so we started driving away from it across country as fast as we could go. The last thing before I woke I turned to look behind us and the huge rolling clouds of dust were just about to overtake us. They filled the horizon from north to south like a line of erupting earth. The second one found me running and hiding from machines in the air. It started with a few airplane type vehicles and ended with these little dark globes like cover surveillance cameras but were hunting us down and shooting us with a laser like weapon. The last one I was in the parking lot of an upscale drive-in restaurant of some kind at night and looked up in the sky to see what I took to be a squadron of airplanes and an alien spacecraft. Several of the planes just disappeared as if they were hit by some invisible beam. Then one of the remaining planes fired a missile and shot down one of the alien ships, which then crashed just down the road from me. It started to get a little close for comfort, so I woke up. I don't remember ever having any major catastrophe type dreams before and am interested in finding out if anyone else has experienced them.
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Old 01-11-2011, 10:53 PM
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The first two started with a feeling of impending doom. The first one you could see something building up on the horizon, so we started driving away from it across country as fast as we could go. The last thing before I woke I turned to look behind us and the huge rolling clouds of dust were just about to overtake us. They filled the horizon from north to south like a line of erupting earth.
wow that surprised me. i can only remember having one dream that was of a catastrophe and it too was about a year or so ago. I was working with some family members and there was this blinding white flash from the horizon and we tried to look out the windows to see what happened but i instantly knew that this was it. this was the end of everything. I remember we had a couple of seconds and i told my family that i loved them and that everything would be ok and then when the blast hit us everything went black. I knew i was dead but i realized i still had consciousness and i could hear my family talking, asking what happened, if they were still alive. At that moment i remember feeling so relieved that even though we all died, everything was fine because we still had our consciousness.

I forgot about that dream until i read your post. its one of my favorites.
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:37 PM
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My favorite dreams are the flying ones. For the past few years, I can just lift myself off the ground and it is such a joyous feeling. In fact, that's kind of how I access the ability is by filling myself with joy. At first, it was difficult sometimes to get off the ground. There were dreams I can remember where I knew I could fly but when I tried to, I couldn't get it right away. Now, it's like I'll just be standing there and will lift off just because I can. It's kind of funny because it feels like I should be able to do it when I'm awake and I often feel like I'm awake when I'm having those dreams. It's like walking, I can take it for granted most of the time.

I was also remembering today what it was like dreaming when I was in jail in my younger days. I'm sure it's the same for most people in any depressing/stressful situation where you have these really vivid and wonderful dreams that are totally the opposite of what you are currently experiencing in real life. Then when you wake up and find yourself in the crapper, it can really bring you down. I'm kind of wondering, since it is normal to suppress negative feelings, if these vivid dreams are created in an effort by the subconscious/whatever else is out there helping to make one consciously experience the negative feeling, since the feeling of it is what can dissipate the charge built up by the suppression of the feeling.

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Old 01-13-2011, 04:30 AM
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I wish i could have flying dreams more. I fear heights but at the same time i love the rush and i often go to sleep imagining that im on the roof of a skyscraper. It doesnt work though, i've never been on the roof of one. And everytime i have flown its always on some completely random dream.

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I was also remembering today what it was like dreaming when I was in jail in my younger days. I'm sure it's the same for most people in any depressing/stressful situation where you have these really vivid and wonderful dreams that are totally the opposite of what you are currently experiencing in real life. Then when you wake up and find yourself in the crapper, it can really bring you down. I'm kind of wondering, since it is normal to suppress negative feelings, if these vivid dreams are created in an effort by the subconscious/whatever else is out there helping to make one consciously experience the negative feeling, since the feeling of it is what can dissipate the charge built up by the suppression of the feeling.
You know, thinking back to the night i had those vivid 10 dreams i mentioned earlier, i realize that was the same day i was really stressed out from work...before now i never even knew stress would give you dreams like that...

I remember waking up that morning feeling really good and just being amazed i got to have those dreams. It seems to me that my mind was just trying to escape and get away from the negitivity. Like it was just a reminder to stay positive, there are more things in life to be happy about.
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:56 AM
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Gary, why, is a good question and i've honestly never thought about that. I've often wondered what the point of sleep itself is. If our brains never stop, why can we not stay conscious all the time. As far as i've been able to find theres no specific answer as to why we need sleep.
As much as sleep has been studied there still seems to be very few answers, but it is most certainly some type of recharge. Nothing feels better than a solid nights sleep (I am sure most PATHS users will attest to that).

So if the brain needs the recharge, why dream? I really think that a dormant brain would quickly wake up, derailing the repair process. So keep the brain busy with dreams. I'd have to really think about it but off the top of my head I don't think I have many boring dreams. There seems to be always something going on interesting and engrossing. Some seem less interesting when recalled after waking up, but at that moment and time they seem pretty important.

I don't recall long drawn out dreams with me doing a mundane task. They are usually much more exciting, but that could just be me. I wonder if any of you have boring dreams with not much going on, maybe eating a sandwich or sitting in a waiting room.

I have woken up inside of dreams maybe once or twice and I have always woken up before I could really do anything.

Bill, I never have the flying dreams. I am always in an aircraft if I am flying, although in one dream I got picked up in a UFO that was being driven by Jerry Garcia from the Grateful dead. He flew around for awhile and then dropped me off. The odd thing was I really didn't know who he was at the time nor had I ever paid much attention to the group. I always wondered just were that came from..
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:40 PM
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So if the brain needs the recharge, why dream? I really think that a dormant brain would quickly wake up, derailing the repair process. So keep the brain busy with dreams. I'd have to really think about it but off the top of my head I don't think I have many boring dreams. There seems to be always something going on interesting and engrossing. Some seem less interesting when recalled after waking up, but at that moment and time they seem pretty important.
You could be right, but i think its bigger than that. Maybe because humans naturally explore their surroundings we are perhaps exploring our memories and the creativity of our minds. It would explain why no dream is boring. Even though our bodies are asleep our minds are still awake, maybe our minds get bored and naturally start exploring?

What about the time while falling asleep, you know you dont just go from being 100% conscious to being 100% asleep instantly and vice versa. I know its not normal but I usually start dreaming before im even asleep. I dont know why or how i do it but some nights its fun, other nights it creepy. I also uncommonly experience something known as night terrors, its basically waking up but not fully being able to regain consciousness. Its almost like sleep walking except for me i usually try waking up from a bad dream but it takes several seconds before i actually realize im awake. I've had dreams before where i was drowning and have woken up and wasnt able to actually breathe for several seconds. Pretty scary when its happening. Has anyone else experienced that, or have experienced sleepwalking?
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:41 PM
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Since the brain (local) accesses the mind (non-local) where are the dreams coming from, the brain or the mind? We know that the conscious part of the brain shuts down and that the subconscious continues to do its job. When we are awake and conscious, where do thoughts come from? Probably the same place the dreams come from. What I've noticed about myself when I am in that state between being fully awake and fully asleep is that the thoughts that pop up are much more full than waking thoughts. When I'm awake and have a thought, I either stick with it and explore it to a logical conclusion or dismiss it and move on. In that twilight state, it's more like a thought comes and then a sort of random trail follows with no clear logic to it. I'll wake back up and wonder how the original thought led to those thoughts I was having just before waking.

I've never had the night terrors you describe that I can remember. I remember in high school I was taking a nap with my clothes on lying on my back. When I woke, my left arm was so fast asleep that I couldn't move it. I had to pick it up with my right hand to move it and massage it back to life. Although I wake up quite frequently with an arm asleep, that's the only time I couldn't move it. I did used to walk in my sleep when I was very young. I remember my dad one morning saying that he met me in the hallway and asked me where I was going. I told him I was going out to water the flowers (one of my chores). He told me to go back to bed, which I did. I didn't remember any of it or any other instances. I'm pretty sure that by the time I was 10 or so, I was no longer sleepwalking.

I'm a cigarette smoker and I had a dream within the last couple of months where it was very painful to breathe, kind of like a preview of what it would be like if I kept smoking. That's one of the things that always amazes me about dreams, is that the bodily sensations match what's going on in the dream. Water feels wet, painful situations cause real physical pain in the dream. Of course, it all goes away when you awaken, but it always baffles me how the sensations can feel so real when they aren't real. Kind of a mirror of "real" life when you think about it...

There are a couple of caveats, one being don't pee in your dream.

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It is interesting you bring up patterns of thoughts and the differences between awake and asleep mind. I find that asleep I never know what will happen next in a dream. Things are unfolding before me, things I do not expect, while when awake, there seems to be much more control over the next thought, action and I am never surprised by it.

Awake for me is like telling a story while being asleep, it is being told to me.

I have experienced not being able to wake up, but i have always had a different understanding of what Night terrors are, even though I think it could fall under what you are describing. Night terrors to my knowledge are when you are awake but your mind is still in a sleep state. It happens a lot in kids and I have dealt with it a couple of times with my own. They seem to be completely awake, moving and in a full tantrum. They stay impossible to deal with and cannot be consoled until they begin to move out of the sleep state.

Not being able to wake up from a dream i think has more to do with the natural paralysis that occurs at times during sleep. I will say that I have had a few dreams involving people who have passed on, and I almost always have trouble waking up from those dreams. Not sure why that is.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:59 AM
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I have experienced not being able to wake up, but i have always had a different understanding of what Night terrors are, even though I think it could fall under what you are describing. Night terrors to my knowledge are when you are awake but your mind is still in a sleep state. It happens a lot in kids and I have dealt with it a couple of times with my own. They seem to be completely awake, moving and in a full tantrum. They stay impossible to deal with and cannot be consoled until they begin to move out of the sleep state.
Yeah i just went with the closest name that related to it. Its similiar in the fact that the dream seems to carry over even after waking up. Theres was only one time that i think i had a real night terror, when i was a kid i woke up once in the middle of the night and i had the blankets over my head, but i realized some type of big animal was laying on me and i could feel its breath comming through the blankets and into my face...i tried to move and it started growling...i realized it was a lion. It was so scary i still remember after all this time. That was the only time even as a kid that anything like that happened. I dont know why.

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Not being able to wake up from a dream i think has more to do with the natural paralysis that occurs at times during sleep. I will say that I have had a few dreams involving people who have passed on, and I almost always have trouble waking up from those dreams. Not sure why that is.
Your exactly right, i read about that after not being able to move my arms and whatnot, but i still dont know why i wouldnt be able to breathe. How could it paralyze the lungs?


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I've never had the night terrors you describe that I can remember. I remember in high school I was taking a nap with my clothes on lying on my back. When I woke, my left arm was so fast asleep that I couldn't move it. I had to pick it up with my right hand to move it and massage it back to life. Although I wake up quite frequently with an arm asleep, that's the only time I couldn't move it.
Yea, its different than being asleep, it doesnt even feel like its your arm. I'm surprised thats only happened once to you. its happened several times to me, i once woke up and jumped out of bed, but fell flat on the ground because both of my legs were paralyzed lol.

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When I'm awake and have a thought, I either stick with it and explore it to a logical conclusion or dismiss it and move on. In that twilight state, it's more like a thought comes and then a sort of random trail follows with no clear logic to it.
Yea! its so weird. Something will happen in a dream and i'll react like i would in real life but there always seems to be a random factor that pops in with no real rhyme or reason and logic just goes out the window.

I have a weird question, when falling asleep do you guys ever hear random sounds? I mean sounds that are so vivid and clear it sounds like your hearing them with your ears..Sometimes i hear completely random stuff, babies crying, a whisper, a scream. Whats crazier is that they differentiate between ears, sometimes i'll hear a sound on one side as if im hearing it with one ear and not the other. It only happens when falling asleep so i usually keep the tv on low just to keep my imagination busy. Also, about once a month just after falling asleep i'll hear a loud crack, like lightening or wood snapping and i'll jump being wide awake. You guys ever get that?

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I highly believe that female energy device will produce deeper, longer sleep sometimes without dream.

Male energy device will produce vivid dream, intense and sometimes violent. May show the future but at the cost of disturbed sleep, more wake.

Excessive male energy will cause various symptom, usually discomfort, from cold feet, headache sometimes sleep paralysis.

Female energy is peace, male energy is power. Out of topic but I worry that some of you mention paralysis in sleep.



About dream, I dream my future that I confirm later, but I prefer not to see it again. I don't see it as fun.

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Old 01-20-2011, 10:19 AM
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Nadda, I do not recall hearing sounds that are not actually there, from time to time a loud sound will wake me but I can never tell if maybe it really happened somewhere in the house.

On another note, you mention the TV or radio. when I fall asleep with the TV on at a decent volume my brain will actually start applying visuals to the sounds I am hearing in real time. It is a very very weird thing because I am awake enough to know that my brain should not possibly be able to sync visuals to the sounds so quick that it seems it is happening at the same time.

Even crazier, sometimes it seems as though my mind gets 'ahead' of the sounds happening from the TV, almost foreshadowing what will happen sonically with dreamed action. An example is I'll dream about something scary appearing and a women on TV will scream on cue.

of course it is impossible to know what is actually going on in that state of sleep, but it sure feels weird when its happening.
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Nadda, I do not recall hearing sounds that are not actually there, from time to time a loud sound will wake me but I can never tell if maybe it really happened somewhere in the house.
For some reason when it happens to me it happens multiple times in the same night.

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On another note, you mention the TV or radio. when I fall asleep with the TV on at a decent volume my brain will actually start applying visuals to the sounds I am hearing in real time. It is a very very weird thing because I am awake enough to know that my brain should not possibly be able to sync visuals to the sounds so quick that it seems it is happening at the same time.

Even crazier, sometimes it seems as though my mind gets 'ahead' of the sounds happening from the TV, almost foreshadowing what will happen sonically with dreamed action. An example is I'll dream about something scary appearing and a women on TV will scream on cue.
wow i seriously just got goosebumps. I know exactly what your talking about.
I can remember one specific time when i had the tv on and i had a vivid dream of a man and woman fighting, i woke up and started watching tv for a couple of seconds, at first i seen a man and woman talking but then sure enough the man and woman started fighting just like i had dreamed. It sounds vague but it was so eerily similiar when it happened, i was shocked.

It seems to be more vivid for you than it is me, but i know i've also had people call my cell and heard my cell phone ringing in my dreams lol.

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Female energy is peace, male energy is power. Out of topic but I worry that some of you mention paralysis in sleep.
Thats very interesting that you mention that, i know a large portion of my dreams seem to revolve around power. Its uaully a conflict with a struggle for power. Even last night, two different people tried to kill me, i killed one with his own gun and tried to take him to the hospital, my car ended up being a 1960's hotrod lol

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angels, flying & fragrant...

This week I had a angel card reading just for the fun of it and it was very accurate. I was introduced to one of my guardian angels and so as I went to sleep last night I said goodnight to my angel and some time during the night I was awakened with a fragrance like an exotic perfume. I can assure you my house does not smell of perfume; more like garlic & onions from cooking. I've never heard of smelling perfume in dreams and I've had some pretty vivid dreams. As for the flying dreams; all that I've read indicated that most flying dreams (if you actually can get off the ground and above the obstacles is an indication of being out of body and the falling part of the dream can be reentry back into the body. I have flying dreams quite often but the ones where I have a hard time getting past the powerlines has indicated to me of some challege going on in my life that is frustrating me.
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dreaming

Up til now, I'm still not sure if dreams are something that our heart truly desires or fears. I hope there will be an answer that I can believe in.
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In my experience, some of both.
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I'm seeing a lot of similairities here...

I have hesitated becoming involved in this thread, because I beleive
I have some "outlier" experiences with sleeping, dreaming, and hypnosis.
I would be interested in sharing ideas here, if they're not too off topic.

My "outlier" experiences involve working as a hypno-therapist
-- and logging several hundred hours "on record" with leading others through hypnosis.
Some relevant cases/clients also worked on a "lucid dreaming" module,
where we would use hypnosis (Trance, meditation, mental rehearsal,
bi-focal-awareness -- many names for the same phenomena) to
guide them to the threshold of sleep, and lead them,
with suggestions to practice becomming more "awake" while asleep.

Some had difficulties engaging the "on" button while they were asleep sometimes.
Most of these people usually thought they could "fall asleep",
and still receive the benefit without actively working for it.
If you have not wished for a unicorn or pony as a child -- as I have seen it, it seldom happens.
In some first-hand experience with TRV,
I have noticed many very odd similarities between
some "superhuman" abilities *(in my opinion, like TRV) -- and Lucid dreaming/Trance phenomena.

For instance -- Becomming "lucid" begins with the desire to become awake/"alive" within the dream.

Soley desiring without being backed by action, is a whim, or wish --
you are unlikely to "wish" lucidity to happen spontaneously.
If the idea IS backed by action, the patient must be "present"
in both the dream world, AND partially in their body. (Bi-focality -- Like TRV)

Being engaged in both the dream world is a type of focus.
(I will describe where most people have experienced this kind of focus before)
  • Most people who have taken "ADD" Medication, know the sensation of a "prefrontal cortex stimulant".
  • Other sports players call the state a "peak" state, or a "flow" state.
  • Actors, or performers will say "the audience dissappeared", and an odd sense of relaxation comes over them.
  • In school, if you've ever cranked out an awesome test score -- and during the test were relaxed, and the answers seemed very obvious
In most of these cases -- (as far as I have investigated) -- there are alternate states that are not "trance" -- but I am not talking about any of those.

All of these cases, some influence causes the body to relax
and the two brain hemispheres synchronize.
the brain synchronizes and exchanges information more efficently.
The brain can slow down to either "alpha" or "theta"
trance levels, and feed you the information you need,
as long as you stay relaxed, and in that focused state.


Maintaining this focus requires a bit of discipline --
Holding this type of "lazer like" focus is difficult enough on ONE task for most people.
Allowing your awareness to float between two data-streams is another trick entirely.

(Note: I'm a linear thinker, and it took a while before
I understood how to engage BOTH sides/ways of thinking,
and then release them both in order to go into trance.)

Usually patients do not fully understand the exact goal they are trying
to reach, nor fully the process. As such, most patients had
already tried to make themselves lucid dream before with
little success. The successes were, largely -- shooting in the dark --
and difficult to replicate due to the lack of understanding about how
the brain/mind work.

(In general) Does anyone else see this with some attitudes towards replicating?
I've seen a lot of people shoot in the dark recently, and give up when it doesn't work.
I've been studying the SG -- while I do have a better understanding of how "the radiant" works,
I do not have a well-enough understanding to "intuit" or make my own radiant circut -- yet. Before I successfully replicate anything,
I need to understand them much better than I do now. :$

Regardless -- Easily summarized -- it's much easier to win the game if you know the rules.

Personally, I have had incredible success with learning how my mind works,
and then working with it towards my goals.
THIS is what I am fascinated with / part-time-obsession
Anyways -- Back to the superhuman abillities, and Dreaming
(As that's what I'm really interested in examining further!)

There are many types of dreams, each with their own purpose. Because most people didn't have the foggiest notion of how their dreams worked, or what they were doing -- this was usually the first step we took.

We had a part of our sessions with patients where we would discuss their dreams
-- and find a way to apply these dreams to real-life, and get REAL answers out.
This takes a little bit of work, but very worth it in my experience, and in reviews I've heard.

So -- Some of the general dream types (sorted by function) we helped people distinguish between:

Memory processing/emotional release & coping --
Things that happened during the day, and events which they could not deal with at the time; need to "finish" the thoughts of the past. Usually the kinds of symbols and events parallel recent.
Note/Example:
Killing your boss in your dream does not nescessarialy mean you will kill your boss -- it may be coping with how you felt towards them recently.
Future planning/Mental Rehearsal --
Nervous about a game? Your next morgage payment? Your next date? Your next meal?
This is where it's at. Either literal rehearsal, or symbolic rehearsal. "Symbolic" is ambiguous -- and has very diverse individual connections per-person. This means your awareness/unconcious uses YOUR localized information database (your memories + thoughts) to generate the symbols, which will hold a specific meaning to you.

Note: Doing regular activities with people you don't know -- for instance, is mental rehearsal with strangers. If you're on your friend's sofa in your dream, doing nothing -- you might be rehearsing what you do during the day.
What you "practice" on a regular basis is what you will continue to dedicate your energy and thoughts towards. This means your daily activities and desires, are usually what pop out in your dream world.
Response potential (value asessment) --
Usually this one was tricky to identify.

Sometimes husbands/wives would have a dream where their counterpart did something terrible
to them, or their relationship -- and were usually very upset, and uneasy about deriving meaning from the dream.

This one is called "value assessment", because it was based on how powerfully you
would respond -- thereafter are "enlightened" as to how important they are to you,
or how much they hold in emotional merit.
No response [neutral feelings], unimportant.
Response -- important.
Symbolic data processing --
This one is tricky to describe, because it involves teaching people how to work with a certain set of techniques.

Roughly outlining the process: (May go further into depth later if desired)


1)somehow asking a question to your unconcious
2)Receiving an answer during dream time, containing the symbol you selected as your "marker".
3)write down the entirety of the dream, and examine symbols
4) Asking the same question you asked in #1, but asking for a different dream to give you the most appropriate answer.
5) Recording the alternate dream, also in full
6) Doing this at least thrice, and then comparing the dreams for common symbols and functions. Usually, therein lies the answer.

You don't usually get a direct answer -- and you usually to work with the answer to grapple meaning from it.
This is the nature of working with any experience --
you make the meaning yourself.
Precognition --
Sometimes, either through symbols or a "literal" precog moment -- People would understand things which were comming to them in the future.
Some have taken advantage of it, some have not.
It seems that the difference between those who "used" precog, or who didnt -- was the abillity to recognize that it was a helpful, or useful signal from the unconscious -- Listen to it -- and respond to it appropriately.

It goes both ways. I've seen people who are gifted and will not admit it because it clashes with their world view -- and I've seen idiots who are clearly NOT "intuitive", who claim to be.

Behavior modification --
Repeating a nightmare, or a dream where the outcome is less than desireable -- usually is an indication to stay away from that behavior.

A common example is flirting with the opposite sex in your dreams, and messing up hardcore. Embarassment, shyness -- Telling you NOT to be a klutz.
"Past life" / Memories which were not yours --
Either imagined, or real "memories" -- I am not able to make a qualified judgement here.
I only know that there were some dreams which did hold historical figures long before that person's lifetime,
and actions which contained real information about a person long in the past.
When examined, this information usually turned out to be true.
I cannot explain how, or why these ones ocurr.

Tangent:I have read similar things between this kind of "dream" and "channeling".
I suspect they are similar trance phenomena.
There were some research reports (I can't remember from where)
about schizophrenics brain scans as they "changed" personalities,
and compared them to "normal" brains/people as they dream.

The notable thing here -- is similar areas of the brain were
engaged when they began the "switch" of personalities.
This may be the basis for where these memories come from
(Switching "personalities" or "local memory sets") -- I do not know.

I do, however know that this is particularly profound as to what it
seems to say about who we are, and how our consciousness/intelligence
accesses our brains/bodies.
By this, I mean -- If "we" can change our personalities like clothes (which, we can)
What would our localized memories be composed of? How would they be accessed,
and "changed" through our over-seeing intelligence?

In my mind, it is through examining these kinds of things, relating to
the nature of our minds, which I find to be educating, and revealing about
who I am, What I am, and where my place is in the universe.

If you look into the science of some of this stuff, it gets pretty wild!
Your brain/nerves already use something
(if not "the radiant", very similar spike potential) to transmit information.

Now, if you've made it this far -- I understand this is a lot to read!
(took a darned while to get these ideas out of my head)

I hope the above may have been clarifying towards potential uses for dreams,
through sorting them by function -- and using them according to their primary function!
This has been some of my work experience, and I have seen people us these
ideas/concepts with success.

If you use any of these ways, or want pursue any of these ideas/techniques, Please get into contact with me!
I know how it can be, being curious and seeking answers
without being certain if it is the "correct" way things work, or
whether others have experienced it before.

Part of this is extending services to others, and helping as I can.
Aside from that -- I'm itching for someone to bounce ideas off of, or collaborate with.

I hope some of these ideas may spark further discussion.

==Romo

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More Phenomena!

More aspects of some of the patients who requested this specific "dreaming module" worked on at least one of the following:
  • Remote Healing (Emotional/Physical) --
  • Shared Dreaming (Shared Lucid dreaming is possible) --
  • Muscle growth/HGH increase (while asleep, body produces higher levels)--
  • Better Memory/more Un-conscious memory 'hooks'--
  • Precognition/Intuition (remembering things) --
  • Remote influence (We have tested Dice, and Weight Fluxuations IN Trance)
  • Photo-reading/Speed Reading
  • Increasing energy levels
  • Individual Belief/ System Reprogramming

This means that the above mentioned -- are "superhuman" abillities,
which I have seen average people (walking in the office, no experience or training) walk out with some pretty well honed skills.

If you are not familiar with lucid dreaming -- or some of the boundaries with dreaming (stuff you can do, and influence through dreaming) --
I strongly recommed the following text. The author goes over some personal experiences -- whether you beleive them or not, it serves to broaden what you perceive to be possible. (at least it did for me!)

I found this link hosting the book:
Download - Lucid Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self.pdf - Sharebee.com, the one and only online file hosting distribution service.

There are ads on the page -- look at the top right hand side of the screen for "skip this ad". There are 4 or more file hosts. If one link has been deleted, check another down the page.

If you're skeptical about these things being real, I could understand if you were -- I was too.
These are all things which I have seen, and worked with people in order to develop as skillsets.

Even if some of these things might sound impossible -- I have seen people demonstrate "the impossible" on a regular basis.

Food for the imagination
==Romo
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Wow, that is a lot of information. I would be very interested in collaborating/bouncing ideas, but you have a much better grasp of the whole thing than I do, so I don't know how much use I would be to you.
There are a couple of things I'd like to know more about, if you have the time.
I play pool a lot (almost every day). I've had a few dreams about playing pool consequently (probably more than I remember). I know from experience that playing competitively causes some angst. Part of it is wanting to look good, some wanting to win, and some just wanting to be competitive with my peers. The only time I've played in a big tournament over the course of a couple of days was very stressful for me. I had trouble sleeping and butterflies in my stomach that made it difficult to choke down food at the necessary times to keep my body running. I don't get that normally when playing league matches, just a little anxiety in the few hours before the match. The dreams I remember usually have a table where there is something wrong with the table, pockets missing, table changes size and shape during the dream, and things like finding my cue sticks stolen during a break. I'm not sure what that means, but imagine it to be a manifestation of the anxiety to do well competitively.

Another thing that I've wondered about is how marijuana affects sleep and dreams. I've smoked most of my adult life and find that I sleep better when I do. I recently quit and find myself waking up all night now, like every hour or less. Also, when I smoked, I would generally only remember dreams that were very outrageous or only those that occurred as I came out of deep sleep into the stages of drifting in and out of sleep in the morning.

Also, I wonder about waking up to write down dreams and how that affects the quality/quantity of sleep needed to do what needs to be done during sleep (repair of body, other stuff I don't know about, etc.) I know when I went in for a prostate exam, the doctor thought I shouldn't be getting up to go pee, for instance, as that would interrupt the sleep cycle. I have been wondering since how it could be better to be woken up several times during the night reminding myself I have to go and trying to decide whether to get up or keep postponing than to get up once and be done with it, as I used to be able to go right back to sleep with no problem (not so last night, though ).

Lastly, I've also wondered about what can be accomplished by lucid dreaming and whether it was beneficial enough to go through the process of learning how to do it. You've alluded to some of the benefits above and I will check out the web site you posted a link to. I tend to be a fairly disciplined person and usually have no trouble making behavior modifications that I feel may benefit me. For instance, I used to sleep on my stomach with my head on a pillow. My neck started to bother me, so I switched to sleeping on my side with the pillow folded under my head. When I would switch sides, I would wake briefly and change the pillow position to correspond. Then I started getting pains in my shoulders, so now I use a full length body pillow and sleep on my stomach with the leg and shoulder my head is facing on the body pillow and no pillow under my head. When I roll over, I wake up and shift the pillow. When I move to sleeping on my side, I wake up and move the body pillow so that it is between my knees and fold my head pillow and place it under my head, then vice versa when I go back to the stomach position. I've never been able to sleep for very long on my back, so I only use that position when I'm taking a short nap. I was able to make these changes and wake myself from the first night I started. Meditation, diet changes, etc. are also easy lifestyle changes for me to make. The only one I've had problems with is smoking cigarettes. I've quit several times, going for a year at a time without a cigarette just with willpower, but for some reason, I haven't been able to stick with it permanently yet. Right now, I smoke about 3 cigarettes a day, but would really like to give it up, and have considered hypnosis.

I've also been strongly considering hypnosis for clearing subconscious beliefs and traumas that I know are affecting my behavior and causing me to react in certain situations, but have been tentative about giving someone else that kind of power over me without being truly convinced that they have my best interests at heart and have the experience & capability to do what needs to be done. Anything you could share in that regard would be much appreciated.

Thanks again for taking the time to post here and share your experience!

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Another thing that just came to mind is the conscious memory of dreams. I have certain dreams or snippets of dreams that I remember going back many years (I've never written any of them down) and others that disappear as soon as they are done. It doesn't necessarily seem to me to be correlated to how important they are to my waking life. Do you have any insight into how this happens to be true? I know I had a dream within the last week that was scary enough to wake me up and I know that I remembered the circumstances upon awaking, but can't recall anything about it now. Others seemed and still seem to be fairly innocuous, but I can remember the scenery and circumstances fairly vividly even after months or years have passed.
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Howdy Bill. Sorry for the late response.
I spent this last week cramming to pass a chemistry exam. I take the test later today, but thought I'd sneak in a RE: when I got the chance.

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I'm not sure what that means, but imagine it to be a manifestation of the anxiety to do well competitively.
I would agree here about the root cause of it. I would perhaps say that instead of actually having fully formed thoughts about being anxious, or having something amiss at the tournament -- you get other symbolic representations of something amiss so that you can process the emotion.

Usually I would have a good grasp on who the client is, what they want, and what their behavioral patterns. This was through (usually) 4 or so "personality tests". If you'd like to get into dream interpretation, I'm also open to discussing this stuff -- but I'd prefer to carry it out more privately, due to some of the nature of the personal information.

Another thing that I've wondered about is how marijuana affects sleep and dreams. I've smoked most of my adult life and find that I sleep better when I do. I recently quit and find myself waking up all night now, like every hour or less.

In my personal experience, my body will try to regulate "normal" or "healthy" levels of everything in my body. So, whatever I input -- it tries to compensate. (The exact reason it compensates, I am not sure -- I was told it was an evolutionary/survival mechanism, allowing the body to have the minimum work expenditure for "normal" health.)

For instance, I used to take ADD medicine. After taking it for several months, I became "accustomed" to the medicine, and it took more of the stuff to stimulate my prefrontal cortex in the same way. My body was just trying to allow me to think at the level I wanted to think at (I also in part took ADD medicine because it made me focus -- Not necessarily that I myself had the intention or desire to focus).
And after I was "Off" the medicine, I had an incredibly difficult time focusing because I needed to give my body time to adjust to producing its own "focus juice" -- whatever chemical cocktail my brain gave itself when I intended to focus.

I would view the consumption of cannabis the same way. This is, that it increases the levels of hormones which naturally appear when you are asleep -- which would otherwise not occur without a solid intention to relax. (Chemical is Melatonin I think, but off the top of my head, I'm not sure.) Your brain probably got used to "paying/producing" less for a larger quantity of a "relaxed/deeply asleep" you.

Your waking up constantly throughout the night is likely an after-effect of your brain producing less than it could -- to produce a deeper sleep. Because you produce less chemicals that keep your brain "off" for extended periods of time -- it makes sense that you would be a "lighter" sleeper.

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Also, when I smoked, I would generally only remember dreams that were very outrageous or only those that occurred as I came out of deep sleep into the stages of drifting in and out of sleep in the morning.
Generally, the things we remember vividly are the things which make new, complex brain connections -- so things which are thoroughly integrated, or things which are out of our "norm" are usually the ones which stick out the most -- hence, as you awaken, may be easier to remember than more bland dreams.

The Italics in the quote above -- I have noticed this as well about myself. I know this to be a general trend -- It is my (unconfirmed) personal idea that it makes a more "conscious" memory hook to your primate brain, and hence is "easier" to recall when you are awake.

In reality, memory has some interesting characteristics that also inter-relate here. You remember things in the exact (same), or similar state of mind/emotion. Most people can relate to this experience as a "blackout" drunk, in part -- because your internal state has shifted so far away from the 'normal' physio-chemical state (with spins). If you find it difficult to remember things when you've smoked too much -- this is also in part, the case.

Chemically, I don't exactly know why this works the way it does -- but I figure certain neurons fire off easier in certain directions under the presence of other chemicals in your "brain jelly stew" up in your noodle. Some chemicals inhibit receptors, and others enhance the firing of some receptors. In other words -- your "thoughts" or "memories" ARE more easily accessed when you're in the SAME state they were formed under. I think this is pretty cool stuff.

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Also, I wonder about waking up to write down dreams and how that affects the quality/quantity of sleep needed to do what needs to be done during sleep (repair of body, other stuff I don't know about, etc.)
Whooh! I know about this stuff too! If you look up the different measured "trance/brainwave" states -- we know a little bit about sleep, and the trances your brain uses during different parts of sleep/waking life.
I found this site by using googe for "brainwave states"
Brain wave Functions Alpha* Beta Theta Brainwaves

Note: I am using this source -- because it basically confirms what I was taught (Recently, about 2 years ago) -- I do not know if there is any more recent information on the stuff.

Disclaimer aside -- I know that "delta" sleep is when your body releases HGH in its largest quantity -- your brain mostly "shuts down", and you divert your bodily resources to restore muscle mass/repair the body from any damage you have done.

When people don't get enough "delta" sleep -- they don't feel "rested" enough in the morning -- and are consistently groggy. It is this sleep state -- that when people are deprived of -- exhibit signs of insanity/"hallucinate" things which are not there.

I know there is an entire lifestyle based around sleeping very little. In principal, it functions by forcing your body to compress your regular sleep cycle, into much smaller intervals -- and use (proportionally) a LARGER amount of the delta sleep cycle. I beleive the most extreme of these "schedules" is called the "everyman sleep schedule" -- At least, the most extreme I have tried myself.

They "compress" their sleep cycle by training their body to get significantly less sleep (sleep deprivation) for 10 days or so -- and then their body eventually adapts to taking shorter, catnaps throughout the day (in the delta cycle) -- so that they get the equivalent of a 6-9 hours of sleep -- but in a much shorter timespan. This is done, by cutting out the "wasted" time in theta/alpha sleep. If you're unfamiliar with this -- these are the times when you DREAM. I do not consider this a waste, and thus, I sleep a normal 7.5-9 hours every night. I like my dream time.

Further -- Sleeping pills don't help either -- they only keep you in THETA trance for the entire night. (I've had clients who've tried them, and tried them myself -- I don't like them at all.) This doesn't let me repair my body and feel more "rested" the next day -- but instead acts like a time sink. Albeit -- This is my own experience, and others may say otherwise.

These tangents may seem unrelated -- wait a moment.

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I know when I went in for a prostate exam, the doctor thought I shouldn't be getting up to go pee, for instance, as that would interrupt the sleep cycle. I have been wondering since how it could be better to be woken up several times during the night reminding myself I have to go and trying to decide whether to get up or keep postponing than to get up once and be done with it, as I used to be able to go right back to sleep with no problem (not so last night, though ).
You CAN interrupt your sleep cycle at regular intervals -- this is likely when you are "getting up". It is BAD to interrupt your sleep cycle, the "deeper down" you get. From the link above -- the highest state should be gamma/beta -- this is when you are normally awake.

Then, alpha/theta -- this is where most dreams occur. If you awaken from alpha, and do something immediately -- I find I am the most refreshed, because my body has processed most my last sleep cycle's released chemicals. If I have my alarm timed properly -- I can sometimes get away with the "bare bones" of 3 hours of sleep for a few days straight.

If you awaken from theta -- you can be "groggy" or amidst a dream, and stumble out of bed with some half-coherent thoughts.

Further down -- delta. If someone pokes you, and tries to get you out of bed -- usually you're very groggy, and don't always remember what you'd say in a conversation for about 5-10 minutes thereafter. At least, I don't. I also don't remember throwing my socks at my room mate, assaulting my sleep cycle. :P

I know that I view the process of sleep, and its relation to feeling "tired" is mostly a process of chemical metabolism. When I have chemicals in my body that are supposed to be used to repair myself -- and I abruptly wake up -- my body still has to process them. It is this feeling of residual chemicals which reflect the feeling "groggy" or "unrested" to me.

I read somewhere (I can also find the book if you're interested, about sleep cycles and such) that your body produces more HGH&hormones with each successive cycle. This would suggest, that if you got up multiple times during the night, you would repair your body less -- than had you comparatively never gotten up at all. If you interrupt your sleep cycle -- try to do so at the beginning of the sleep cycle -- and get as many sequential cycles in as you can thereafter. Based on the information I've read, through that method -- you would be producing as much "recovery" as you could, while still tending to your body's urinary tract.

So -- getting around to it all -- I personally take everything my doctor tells me with a grain of salt. They're "practicing" anyways -- I can practice too.


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Lastly, I've also wondered about what can be accomplished by lucid dreaming and whether it was beneficial enough to go through the process of learning how to do it. You've alluded to some of the benefits above and I will check out the web site you posted a link to. I tend to be a fairly disciplined person and usually have no trouble making behavior modifications that I feel may benefit me.
There are some awesome things you can do with lucid dreaming. If you'd like me to go into more detail about some of the things I've experienced, or done -- (I can start another thread if it's off topic here) -- I can, but I'd like to know which areas of dreaming you're most interested in exploring.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:41 AM
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For instance, I used to sleep on my stomach with my head on a pillow. My neck started to bother me, so I switched to sleeping on my side with the pillow folded under my head. When I would switch sides, I would wake briefly and change the pillow position to correspond. Then I started getting pains in my shoulders, so now I use a full length body pillow and sleep on my stomach with the leg and shoulder my head is facing on the body pillow and no pillow under my head. When I roll over, I wake up and shift the pillow. When I move to sleeping on my side, I wake up and move the body pillow so that it is between my knees and fold my head pillow and place it under my head, then vice versa when I go back to the stomach position. I've never been able to sleep for very long on my back, so I only use that position when I'm taking a short nap. I was able to make these changes and wake myself from the first night I started.
My sympathies. I've also had the difficulty of "getting comfortable" on a bed, with a pillow. I can also definitely relate to the shoulder pains. I now sleep on my back, or on my side, due to the newer mattress I've gotten for a bed. Here ends my area of expertise. I wish you the best of luck finding a solution to being comfortable throughout the night.

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Meditation, diet changes, etc. are also easy lifestyle changes for me to make. The only one I've had problems with is smoking cigarettes. I've quit several times, going for a year at a time without a cigarette just with willpower, but for some reason, I haven't been able to stick with it permanently yet. Right now, I smoke about 3 cigarettes a day, but would really like to give it up, and have considered hypnosis.
Considering hypnosis, is a very valid option. Hypnosis works on every single person.
Unfortunately, most people do not consider, that it is also Dependant on the hypnotist's individual skill level, and abillity to think. Think about it realistically.
Another carbon based life form, is in the room, talking to you with certain rhythm and intonation patterns -- is effectively a counselor.
Even a Skeptic could admit, the hypno-therapist has a large, comfy chair -- and is able to guide the people into states of relaxation. When people feel better -- they usually are more open to dealing with their problems. It helps if the hypno-therapist is able to guide the patient into states of trance, where old memories are more readily accessible -- or readily disassociate from past traumas -- these can be done for the patient's emotional wellbeing, if the hypnotherapy is clever.

Think about it realistically -- People talking to other people...

I beleive that people therefore, also go through hypnotherapy and don't even know it! Imagine a friend talking to his buddy about drinking, and how he thinks it has been a tad excessive. His friend is very realistic about his situation and gives him all the reasons as to why he should not drink; so as to avoid being a slobbering alcoholic in the future. Thereafter, the questioning friend stops drinking.

Both the client and the friend simply learned new behaviors, and replaced their old habits with new ones. They each had their methods of council, and both worked in their proper contexts.

The difference -- is that the hypno-therapist does it for a living -- and the friend can sometimes give advice that is poorly received. (If they're good, they do it for a living. Most people only go to part-timers, and then write off that it does not work.)

Additionally -- the "friend" scenario causes the person to find a way to replace the behavior himself. The hypno-therapist constructs this mechanism for the patient. (Again, at least the good ones do) If you think of this mechanism as the valuable information that the patient receives, then it is easy to think of the hypnotist as a planner -- much like a broker is paid for making decisions and plans for the client.

It sounds like you have no problem simply stopping yourself with self control. I belive the trick here -- is replacing that habit, or mechanism with another, so that it is more constructive than your last behavior. If you simply stop a habit -- it'll pop back up unless you replace it. I'm not entirely sure why, but if it didn't come back without being replaced, it would make humans much lazier creatures than we already are. (It would be much easier to be lazy)


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I've also been strongly considering hypnosis for clearing subconscious beliefs and traumas that I know are affecting my behavior and causing me to react in certain situations, but have been tentative about giving someone else that kind of power over me without being truly convinced that they have my best interests at heart and have the experience & capability to do what needs to be done. Anything you could share in that regard would be much appreciated.
The bolded, sounds like it would be easily dismissed -- if the hypnotist were to prove himself/herself to be trustworthy, and respected.
The Italica, sound like it is Dependant on the skill level of the hypnotist.

In regards to the first -- this will be a little trickier on your part. It is you who needs the convincing on this part -- and they who must indirectly or unintentionally demonstrate it. This is a matter of doing the proper background research behind the hypnotist in question. It'll be more clear what I mean in a moment.


In regards to the second, If you are considering it strongly -- to find a hypnotist who has a transparent track record. This means, the hypnotist has worked full time for a number of years, and had record of all of his clients, whom he will never see again. It sounds harsh, but those who never see their patients again, have eradicated the problem. I'm talking 80% of their clients and above. Usually hypnotists who keep around their own client testimonials are very solid. It has been my rule of thumb, that hypnotists who have this kind of record, usually have the best interests for you as a human being in mind.

Finding these kinds of hypnotists locally can be somewhat difficult. You might have to go to a city for these. usually the ballpark range you're looking at is several thousand dollars for a 10-15 session "chunk" spread out over a few weeks. It's pretty pricey.

Again, Apologies for the late reply.
Hope this is useful,

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Howdy Bill. Sorry for the late response.
I spent this last week cramming to pass a chemistry exam. I take the test later today, but thought I'd sneak in a RE: when I got the chance.

No problem. You're certainly a better man than I. I pretty much gave up on chemistry after the mandatory high school classes. Too boring & difficult for me at the time...

I would agree here about the root cause of it. I would perhaps say that instead of actually having fully formed thoughts about being anxious, or having something amiss at the tournament -- you get other symbolic representations of something amiss so that you can process the emotion.

Thanks for the input. It seems I usually end up angry in my dreams. The things with the table being amiss, I seem to take in stride.

Usually I would have a good grasp on who the client is, what they want, and what their behavioral patterns. This was through (usually) 4 or so "personality tests". If you'd like to get into dream interpretation, I'm also open to discussing this stuff -- but I'd prefer to carry it out more privately, due to some of the nature of the personal information.

Thanks. I can PM my email address, but I don't want to impose on you or have you spend a bunch of time that you are uncompensated for.

I would view the consumption of cannabis the same way. This is, that it increases the levels of hormones which naturally appear when you are asleep -- which would otherwise not occur without a solid intention to relax. (Chemical is Melatonin I think, but off the top of my head, I'm not sure.) Your brain probably got used to "paying/producing" less for a larger quantity of a "relaxed/deeply asleep" you.

Your waking up constantly throughout the night is likely an after-effect of your brain producing less than it could -- to produce a deeper sleep. Because you produce less chemicals that keep your brain "off" for extended periods of time -- it makes sense that you would be a "lighter" sleeper.

That makes sense to me. As I'm increasing the length of time not ingesting, I seem to be getting better sleep.


Chemically, I don't exactly know why this works the way it does -- but I figure certain neurons fire off easier in certain directions under the presence of other chemicals in your "brain jelly stew" up in your noodle. Some chemicals inhibit receptors, and others enhance the firing of some receptors. In other words -- your "thoughts" or "memories" ARE more easily accessed when you're in the SAME state they were formed under. I think this is pretty cool stuff.

I studied Scientology for awhile when I was younger. They proposed that memories that are recorded when under physical or emotional pain were stored mainly in the subconscious. Similar pains formed chains and when the original pain that started the chain is recalled/confronted and brought into conscious memory, the chain would unlock and the associated memories could then be recalled. From my personal experience and others that I've read about, it is pretty effective at clearing memory blockages.

Further -- Sleeping pills don't help either -- they only keep you in THETA trance for the entire night. (I've had clients who've tried them, and tried them myself -- I don't like them at all.) This doesn't let me repair my body and feel more "rested" the next day -- but instead acts like a time sink. Albeit -- This is my own experience, and others may say otherwise.

These tangents may seem unrelated -- wait a moment.

I am familiar with the various brainwave states and how we move through them during sleep. My wife has severe apnea and is almost always feeling run down and tired.

You CAN interrupt your sleep cycle at regular intervals -- this is likely when you are "getting up". It is BAD to interrupt your sleep cycle, the "deeper down" you get. From the link above -- the highest state should be gamma/beta -- this is when you are normally awake.

Then, alpha/theta -- this is where most dreams occur. If you awaken from alpha, and do something immediately -- I find I am the most refreshed, because my body has processed most my last sleep cycle's released chemicals. If I have my alarm timed properly -- I can sometimes get away with the "bare bones" of 3 hours of sleep for a few days straight.

I've noticed this cycle in myself, too. Sometimes I can pop up in the middle of the night and feel fully awake and refreshed. Sometimes, though, I feel groggy and can't wait to go back to sleep.

I read somewhere (I can also find the book if you're interested, about sleep cycles and such) that your body produces more HGH&hormones with each successive cycle. This would suggest, that if you got up multiple times during the night, you would repair your body less -- than had you comparatively never gotten up at all. If you interrupt your sleep cycle -- try to do so at the beginning of the sleep cycle -- and get as many sequential cycles in as you can thereafter. Based on the information I've read, through that method -- you would be producing as much "recovery" as you could, while still tending to your body's urinary tract.

With the exception of once every five or more years, I would never get up more than once per night.

So -- getting around to it all -- I personally take everything my doctor tells me with a grain of salt. They're "practicing" anyways -- I can practice too.

Amen to that.


There are some awesome things you can do with lucid dreaming. If you'd like me to go into more detail about some of the things I've experienced, or done -- (I can start another thread if it's off topic here) -- I can, but I'd like to know which areas of dreaming you're most interested in exploring.
I am getting a pretty good idea from the book you linked above. My main goal and impetus in life right now is to wake into full consciousness as fast and safely as possible. I know that I have some stuff to clear, so that is what I want to work on now. I also want to become familiar with moving around on the astral plane so that it won't be as much of a transition when my body dies. I know that I most likely spend some time there already when in the dream state, but want to bring that experience into my waking consciousness.
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In regards to the second, If you are considering it strongly -- to find a hypnotist who has a transparent track record. This means, the hypnotist has worked full time for a number of years, and had record of all of his clients, whom he will never see again. It sounds harsh, but those who never see their patients again, have eradicated the problem. I'm talking 80% of their clients and above. Usually hypnotists who keep around their own client testimonials are very solid. It has been my rule of thumb, that hypnotists who have this kind of record, usually have the best interests for you as a human being in mind.

Finding these kinds of hypnotists locally can be somewhat difficult. You might have to go to a city for these. usually the ballpark range you're looking at is several thousand dollars for a 10-15 session "chunk" spread out over a few weeks. It's pretty pricey.
I guess the good news is that I live on the outskirts of a big city and the bad news is that I don't have an extra several thousand dollars right now. My main goal for hypnotherapy would not be for changing bad habits. It would be working through subconscious triggers that cause anger and sadness and memory retrieval. I would like to do some past life regression, especially during those times when I didn't have a corporal body. It appears as though I should be able to do a lot of it myself, but getting started with a good effective game plan would help immensely in my mind. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply and I hope your test goes/went well!
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Just wanted to say thanks petear for all the great information, i still have alot left to read lol. Glad you guys brought up hypnosis, ive always been curious about it as well. I think i'd like to go under and record it just to see it happen with my own eyes. I think its amazing how we can explore our own minds. Although ive never tried doing so with drugs, i think thats just simply induced hallucinations. But i have no experience on that end. However beyond telekinesis ive had a couple unbelievably strange experiences so i know theres something much deeper in us than most people realize.

Also, ImBill if your worried about the person preforming hypnosis maybe you should record the session as well just so that you could see and hear everything being said. It would at least give you peace of mind.

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