Energetic Forum

Energetic Forum (http://www.energeticforum.com/)
-   Water Fuel (http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/)
-   -   WFC Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC) (http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/986-wfc-electron-extraction-circuit-eec.html)

Aaron 08-29-2007 09:47 AM

WFC Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC)
 
WFC Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC)
This thread for EEC discussion.

When water is pulled apart, electron is freed and if not removed can be used to help gases recombine to water preventing abundance of gas production.

EEC according to the later diagrams and explantion is turned ON when the trigger power pulse is turned OFF. Therefore they are 180 out of phase flip flopping. On off pulse, EEC is switched on to conduct the electrons from water, to positive plate, to be burned by filament and connected back to power input.

Redmeanie 10-12-2007 09:32 PM

Any Ideas?
 
Have you came up with any designs for this? I wonder how beneficial this would be to experiment with, I mean if it can increase gas yield by 30% more than I think this might be a very important area for us to start looking into.:thumbsup:

Aaron 10-13-2007 02:54 AM

EEC diagram
 
Hi Redmeanie,

Here is a diagram from Meyer's tech brief:

http://www.esmhome.org/library/stan-meyer/eec.jpg

The red is the EEC path. It is triggered by a flip/flop so that when the power pulse is on, eec is off and when power pulse is off, eec turns on.

I think it is a brilliant concept if it really works as claimed. It seems that Meyer only used it later for further gas production but not as a necessity for the wfc to work.

I heard that Dave Lawton had great results with the EEC but I don't know if that is actually confirmed.

Aaron 11-14-2007 03:00 AM

simple eec
 
Is there any reason this can't work? Seems a simple way to do it.

http://www.esmhome.org/library/stan-...simple-eec.jpg

h20power 11-14-2007 07:56 AM

If you look at fig. 3.2 in the tech breif it shows the EEC on the gas processor.

hydrocars 11-19-2007 12:09 PM

you are working on a small injector. the EEC circuit does not use a electrolysis cell from my understanding. it makes HOD from a water mist, "under compression with outside air."

Aaron 11-19-2007 08:35 PM

eec
 
Yes, but through the H2Earth's chatroom etc,... they're saying Dave Lawton used it with his water cell to light the 40watt bulb. Did Dave not really do this or did he only have it hooked up above the water through another tube setup that only the gases were going through?

It has been said pretty clearly by them that it is connected to the tubes submerged in water. Conceptually, it seems it would work on submerged tubes as well. Under an electron cascade effect, the EEC should conceptually pull a lot of those electrons to the pos plate and to the bulb to be burned. Then there is even more separation in the water itself.

If it doesn't work in water then I don't have to waste time with it at this point but if simple enough to try, would be interesting to see results.

Karl_Palsness 12-17-2007 06:22 AM

electron extraction
 
After reading Bearden, when you put a voltage potential across a Cap but do not allow electrons to flow, he states that electrons will manifest them selves from the vacuum. Could not the same phenomenon be occurring hear and the WFC be acting like a cap and the VIC is applying the “Voltage Potential” to the WFC and the Vacuum be supplying the electrons, “free for the picking” or “electron extraction”?

Happy experimenting

vidbid 08-12-2011 11:44 PM

Working Electron Extraction Circuit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron (Post 10601)
Hi Redmeanie,

Here is a diagram from Meyer's tech brief:

http://www.esmhome.org/library/stan-meyer/eec.jpg

The red is the EEC path. It is triggered by a flip/flop so that when the power pulse is on, eec is off and when power pulse is off, eec turns on.

I think it is a brilliant concept if it really works as claimed. It seems that Meyer only used it later for further gas production but not as a necessity for the wfc to work.

I heard that Dave Lawton had great results with the EEC but I don't know if that is actually confirmed.

http://www.drinking-water.com/pictures/LawtonEECsm.jpg
Lamp powered entirely by the Free Electron Current drawn from solution by the EECL

It works according to this website: Making a Hydrogen Generator

What I would like to know is why couldn't you store the electrical energy from the Electron Extraction Circuit and then re-use that stored electrical energy to power the Water Fuel Cell to produce more HHO gas?

tutanka 08-13-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidbid (Post 151377)
http://www.drinking-water.com/pictures/LawtonEECsm.jpg
Lamp powered entirely by the Free Electron Current drawn from solution by the EECL

It works according to this website: Making a Hydrogen Generator

What I would like to know is why couldn't you store the electrical energy from the Electron Extraction Circuit and then re-use that stored electrical energy to power the Water Fuel Cell to produce more HHO gas?

Electron Extraction Circuit is an simple method for create hollow atoms. The only problem is that using that method don't have OU system, instead consume electrons you can use these for increase ionization field as appear inside e-beam reactor.

vidbid 08-13-2011 07:25 PM

Request for Clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tutanka (Post 151457)
Electron Extraction Circuit is an simple method for create hollow atoms. The only problem is that using that method don't have OU system, instead consume electrons you can use these for increase ionization field as appear inside e-beam reactor.

Would you please clarify what you mean? And would would you please clarify and define these terms?
  • hollow atoms
  • consume electrons
  • increase ionization field
  • e-beam reactor

nivlanosam 03-23-2012 07:44 AM

WFC Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vidbid (Post 151377)
http://www.drinking-water.com/pictures/LawtonEECsm.jpg
Lamp powered entirely by the Free Electron Current drawn from solution by the EECL

It works according to this website: Making a Hydrogen Generator

What I would like to know is why couldn't you store the electrical energy from the Electron Extraction Circuit and then re-use that stored electrical energy to power the Water Fuel Cell to produce more HHO gas?

Or to a series of cells, and when enough electrons are extracted, to a battery bank to power your home. I wonder if there's a limit?

tutanka 03-23-2012 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nivlanosam (Post 185549)
Or to a series of cells, and when enough electrons are extracted, to a battery bank to power your home. I wonder if there's a limit?

Method of Meyer and Latwon is "consume" electrons, that method increase the gas production but what appear if energy extracted from cell can be resend inside circuit? That surely increase X times gas production with low amperage.

tutanka 03-23-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidbid (Post 151536)
Would you please clarify what you mean? And would would you please clarify and define these terms?
  • hollow atoms
  • consume electrons
  • increase ionization field
  • e-beam reactor

Hollow atoms is what Stan Meyer want.. Hollow Atoms: LCL Pulses Make Electrons Strip

vidbid 03-25-2014 10:15 PM

Electricity From Electrolysis - Electron Extraction Circuit
 
Electricity From Electrolysis by way of WFC Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC).

I had this thread on my brain last night.

It's like energy recovery for electrolysis.

Making a Hydrogen Generator

Stan Meyer's Electron Extraction Circuit - YouTube

S_Meyer_Electron_Extraction - YouTube

Ravi RAJU REPLICAS of MEYER Electrolyzer - WATER as FUEL - MDG 2007

Recovering some of the electrical energy.

Regards,

VIDBID

PS: Who's this guy? How Meyer Circuits Work, EXACTLY - YouTube

Michael John Nunnerley 03-27-2014 07:00 PM

electrons are not extracted
 
Hi, this is typical of Meyer, electrons are not extracted, positive and negative charge has to balance.

Think of a battery, the electrons move from the battery when a circuit is made such as a bulb, these electrons then move into the bulb, create light and heat and then move out of the bulb and back to the battery to maintain the same charge relation of posive and negative.

The EEC was a change of the type of gas to a different molecular structure, but the same number of electrons are still there as in the "battery".

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuzY...43OcdiNU0ZHt_Q

Also watch the induction vid as well, I thought it was well explained.

regards

Mike:cool:

Bob Smith 08-12-2014 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael John Nunnerley (Post 252818)
The EEC was a change of the type of gas to a different molecular structure, but the same number of electrons are still there as in the "battery".
Mike:cool:

My take: The WFC's pulsation of charge-discharge causes an imbalance in the surrounding dielectric (ambient). The dielectric rushes in to restore balance. But the dielectric causes a transmutation so that what is produced by the properly attuned WFC is, as Mike says, of "a different molecular structure." The dielectric is centripetal and counter-spatial in nature, and perhaps this is why the resultant gas is implosive in nature as well.
Bob

vidbid 02-15-2017 03:43 AM

Electron Extraction Circuit
 
http://cdn.pesn.com/wiki/8pzdx6n1ava...oy5rlzvshu.jpg

Perhaps, the output going to the filament load could be sent to another electrolysis cell.

vidbid 02-15-2017 04:01 AM

Patent #4,798,661 Gas Generator Voltage Control Circuit
 
Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4798661A/en

Quote:

Originally Posted by US4798661A

Abstract
A power supply in a system utilizing as a source of fuel a generator for separating hydrogen and oxygen gasses from natural water and having the capabilities to control the production of gasses by varying the amplitude of the voltage and/or the pulse repetition rate of the voltage pulses applied to a pair of plate exciters in a vessel of natural water, comprising a sequence of circuitry operative to limit the current of a d.c. potential to a minimum value relative to the magnitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters. The circuits each function up to a given magnitude of voltage to inhibit and curtail the flow of electrons from the plate exciter having the negative voltage potential applied thereto. The first circuit operative from a first magnitude of voltage comprises converting the voltage potential applied to the plate exciters to a unipolar pulse voltage d.c. of a repetitive frequency. The next circuit varies the duty cycle of the unipolar pulse voltage d.c.; followed by rearranging the application of the voltage to the exciters to individual exciters each having the voltage applied thereto independently of the other plate exciters in the generator. The next circuit comprises an electron inhibitor that prevents the flow of electrons; the circuit being in the terminal line between the negative plate exciter and ground. In those applications of the generator wherein excessively high voltage is to be applied to the plate exciters for a very high yield of gasses, a second electron inhibitor of a unique structure is serially connected with the first electron inhibiter. The second named inhibiter having a relatively fixed value and the first inhibiter connected in series is variable to fine tune the circuits to eliminate current flow.

Download Patent PDF: https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../US4798661.pdf

vidbid 07-09-2018 03:17 AM

electron extraction circuit
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYds7GQp0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X43sKFfRts

vidbid 07-10-2018 03:29 AM

EEC well explained
 
EEC well explained https://youtu.be/EyVo38NLlr0

The primary positive plate of the water capacitor is insulated.

The electron recovery plate is not insulated, neither is the negative ground plate.


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:42 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.4.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2007-2015 Copyright - Energetic Forum - All Rights Reserved