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thedude 10-30-2011 05:35 PM

Wesley or stivep1 video high voltage&frequency OU
 
Hello everyone.

A very interesting video that is resonating with me right now. I'm going to test. Seems similar to Tariel Kapanadze's device.

Sorry if this is posted somewhere already. Just needed to be sure we get to see it here. The claim is 10watts in 1kw out. Video is a little hard to interpret at times but there is a lot of clarification near the end.

Wesley or stivep1 video high voltage&frequency OU
Just reloaded it there. ;P hope it works. testing it now.

also on youtube here
L&L

Joit 10-30-2011 06:44 PM

Dloaded it and watch it later to the End. I am curious if i can make this Cores with Epoxy or similar and Magnetite, i may will try it too, when i got time, what i have less atm.

MonsieurM 10-30-2011 06:57 PM

you should put it in Torrent , a bit harder to take down :thumbsup:

Slider2732 10-30-2011 07:02 PM

I'm only part way through the video, as the video has stopped at 12.38 and doesn't seem to be buffering ---- BUT--- check out Woopy's post on Laser Saber's Joule Ringer thread.
He had a similar idea of using the ferrite pieces from the necks of old monitors.

So if the source of the ferrite for the coil isn't discussed (which I expect it will be), then that's what is being shown in the early minutes :)


OK, watched the YouTube version instead :)
As I understand this transformer action -
Piece of 'bright' inside the left side of two halves of a ferrite ring.
50 winds of approx 18 gauge copper wire around that same side, then on top we have 15 or 16 winds of same gauge ?
Other side, 150 winds of similar gauge wire, wound bifilar.
Place piece of paper as a seperator between the two sides of the ferrite.
Pulse the 15 winds with 400kHz.
Pulse the 50 winds with 50Hz.
The 150 winds side is where we draw the power from.

It would appear that the resonant frequency is matched to the coil and wire used.
That the transformer action ramps, like the Joule Ringer, self oscillating.
The paper keeps the transfer open loop but working as induction ?
If not, then plexi-glass or something else with static electricity properties could bring further increases in efficiency ?
I have no idea what 'bright' is, but imagine that the sheath inside co-ax cable could be used and I think he mentioned the same.

sturgeon 10-30-2011 07:42 PM

I think bright = braid?

ewizard 10-30-2011 07:43 PM

Yes things are looking very good with the Kapanadze device after stivep visited Tariel. I think they've got it finally. 10 watts in with 1000 watts out sounds great! Quite a few people on overunity.com are building replications based on the latest info. I haven't checked there for a couple days but the site was down yesterday. Seems fine now.

BTW that latest video was hard to follow as far as I got and then it quit half way through with an error from youtube. Might want to save this one as Wesley suggested.

BTW posted this message before Joit or MonsierM but I guess this forum was down a while as I came back to see my message didn't post.

Web000x 10-30-2011 07:50 PM

When I watched this video and heard that they were modulating the two "primary" windings with two different frequencies, I immediately thought of a page in Eric Dollard's book. Check out page 55 of the pdf (pg 52 according to written numbering).

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...%20Dollard.pdf

All this stuff is engineer-able. There is an underlying theme that I see in most magnetism based free energy claims and it seems to be a bunch of variations of magnetic amplifiers or saturable reactors. The cores are being modulated for saturation/desaturation at the perfect time to produce a varying inductance that allows the energy oscillation to grow.

Mr. Dollard is currently explaining the math as to why exactly this happens in the thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=1631

Dave

Farmhand 10-30-2011 08:40 PM

Hi all, I can't watch a whole 30 minute video, I was wondering if someone could
post the time marks in the video where the power measurements are made.

Thanks

Joit 10-30-2011 10:13 PM

Well Farmhand, this one is not about Measurements, so you can ignore this Device and stay by your own Topics.

Joit 10-30-2011 10:44 PM

WEb00x your pdf anyhow dont works for me anyhow, do i have a non-compatible Version from a Pdf-Reader?


Slider thank you for the Summary from the Parts.
The Paper itself doesnt looks like a Inductor, i am not sure if you are familar with a the PMH from Ed Leedscalnin. When you magnetize the U Shape, it stays magnetized. You have seen the Videos from Cody, when he did break the U Shape, his Led did flicker. I tried to magnetize the PMH too with something between the U-Shape, and it did not work when i used non-leading Material.
Therefor i assume, the Core get Magnetized, attract the other Pice, as far there is an Impuls and demagnetize it itself again since there is a Gap. Therefor you can magnetize it again, what would not work, when its allready magnetized and make a better magnetic Induction since the core is 'flushed'.

Rubberband 10-30-2011 11:26 PM

Core
 
Hi Joit, I think you are right about the function of it. I',ve see these cores , their used in TV sets, I,ve got a set here now, their on the picture tube.

Itsu 10-30-2011 11:38 PM

no measurements
 
I won't hold my breath over this yet Farmhand.
They have tons of measuring equipment, but up till now the only power output statements
they made are that they are powering up a 150W bulp to full brightness, whatever that means.

And like Zilano, the circuits are changing all the time :-)


Regards Itsu

thedude 10-30-2011 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slider2732 (Post 164472)
I'm only part way through the video, as the video has stopped at 12.38 and doesn't seem to be buffering

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewizard (Post 164479)
BTW that latest video was hard to follow as far as I got and then it quit half way through with an error from youtube. Might want to save this one as Wesley suggested.

BTW posted this message before Joit or MonsierM but I guess this forum was down a while as I came back to see my message didn't post.

I uploaded the video to my youtube clone energetictube.com. I do own that site myself exclusively and i guarantee I will never take it down. I did re-watch the video at energetictube.com and it is pausing at 29 mins now for me. I am going to reload it there and test. I know for a fact that routing can be manipulated and our web is watched and controlled, but this is not the case with Energetictube.com. At least not on the level of my control. I've been witness to this sort of manipulation on youtube numerous occasions now. Grab a copy if you can. That is my advice. I will also try to seed a torrent and post here.

Gonna start searching for some ferrite and putting together a HV signal generator to hit those freq. Still trying to get back to work on hydrogen projects too. My actual employment is a big distraction. Not what i want to be doing.

Joit 10-31-2011 12:11 AM

Itsu, dont mention Zilano pls, lol, This Guy is anyhow such a Fraud from beginning, it hurts my Eyes to read his Name and noone seems want to get it.

Still about this 'bright' 'Belt', it seems like it was only to find the Resonance Frequency from the core, its may not necessary for the Device itself when i get it right.

Joit 10-31-2011 12:42 AM

I made a Preview Picture, means it did save couple Pictures from the Video,
since you cant watch it complete, Farmhand so you can download the Picture at full size from the Link and look at it with a Graphicprogram and zoom it more.

I converted the Video to 32mb also instead of 130mb, just yell, when you want me to upload it to thedudes server.
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8...upwearethe.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Kokomoj0 10-31-2011 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farmhand (Post 164489)
Hi all, I can't watch a whole 30 minute video, I was wondering if someone could
post the time marks in the video where the power measurements are made.

Thanks

They hate that!

There are no power measurements made LOL


If it lights a bulb everyone seems to lose their minds and run off the cliff!

The first thing I noticed is that he could not even read the voltage with his meter because the frequency was to high for the meter to respond to.

So I guess I will help these guys out not that it will give pause to the stampede LOL

Ok here you go peeps,

You all need to build 2 or 3 of these and correctly size them for your project.

You can measure either current by placing it across a series resistor to your device or across the input or output of your device directly, or any part of the device you wish to measure. You will need to make sure they are matched precisely to each other if you want to insure accuracy.

It is to convert whatever gooblety gook you have for a wave form into dc because even the dumbest meter in the world can measure direct current and you do not need to worry about meter specs. so much.

Now this will not give anyone the correct voltage, IT IS NOT MEANT TO DO THAT! It is meant to give you very accurate "COMPARATIVE" measurements between inputs and outputs. The exact voltages are relative and irrelevant.

Farm this is another case where the inventor does not know how to "measure" his device and as we all know 99.99999% of all OU devices fail because people do not know how to "PROPERLY" measure them.



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...e1/HiZmeas.jpg



Now if I see a similar circuit to the above used to make measurements on OU devices or those like Dollard uses then I am all ears, otherwise I write virtually all these gizmos off because people do not know how to properly measure them and they look kool but will not work or produce ou.

ciao

Web000x 10-31-2011 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joit (Post 164507)
WEb00x your pdf anyhow dont works for me anyhow, do i have a non-compatible Version from a Pdf-Reader?

"Symbolic Representation of the Generalized Electric Wave" is the title of the book. There are multiple places to find it on the web. Just google another one until you find one that will open.

Dave

thedude 10-31-2011 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joit (Post 164524)
I made a Preview Picture, means it did save couple Pictures from the Video,
since you cant watch it complete, Farmhand so you can download the Picture at full size from the Link and look at it with a Graphicprogram and zoom it more.

I converted the Video to 32mb also instead of 130mb, just yell, when you want me to upload it to thedudes server.

Thanks Joit! :) i love the image gallery. very handy. I did reload the video and i'm watching it again now. Should be good. The 470p version from youtube is almost 200mb and i think i interupted the first transfer.

I sure hope that this line of experimentation will prove fruitful for all of us. ;)

kcarring 10-31-2011 05:45 AM

Braided Material?
 
What is that braided metal material he uses? Is it like a typical ground lead, as seen on some equipment? I can't make out what he calls it. And.. this material... is he saying that it is actually all one continuous piece, that begins to form the inner radius of the toroid, then passes through the "slit" (or cut) in the core, then travels the outside diameter? Or is two lengths, one in, one outside? Does anyone understand the electrical function of this braided material?

Thanks.

While I agree with many accounts, both positive, and negative...regarding this device... I wonder what size of battery he drives with this. I wonder, because... let's assume for a second, hypothetically, that the unit is merely an inverter (perhaps one that fools the user into thinking it's ultra efficient COP>1) -- if that were true... you'd still need a fairly big 12v battery to successfully deliver the amps, which would be in the order of 16A or so... I did not see the battery. Was it automotive sized? A small lead acid battery, an SLA, I wonder if it'd even be able to deliver that kind of current. Granted it may not actually BE 200 watts of output, but.. it does look close. It isn't 10 watts. I have an SLA 12v battery that is about 7-9 amp/hrs... it can deliver about 35-40 watts maximum. Certainly could not (inverted) drive two 100 watt light bulbs to that brilliance, anyway... is what I am saying...

Boso 10-31-2011 07:18 AM

It looks interesting

Kokomoj0 10-31-2011 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boso (Post 164546)
It looks interesting

yes taking a second look it does.

he has nice scope readout on it, and it uses a tada! spark gap!

He put the thing in resonance so I am raising my eyebrows a bit on this one.

The kool thing about it however is that there are no mystery boxes, voodoo and guess whats in my left hand tactics like the tpu and smith devices so this may be worth a closer look.


The main reason I say that is because he does show step by step with explanation how to build it so it should be very easy to replicate if people even get close.

So all things considered this may be legit, and with the complete instructions prove out very quickly without growing old winding 1000's of coils.

Presuming it is true I do not have an explanation for the ou however. Where is Dollard? :)

Kokomoj0 10-31-2011 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcarring (Post 164536)
What is that braided metal material he uses?.


it looked like a braided battery cable ground wire.

he said he had one built from scratch up and running in one evening.

Of course with the equipment layout like that I can see why!

His work did not look particularly meticulous.

T-1000 10-31-2011 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Slider2732 (Post 164472)

OK, watched the YouTube version instead :)
As I understand this transformer action -
Piece of 'bright' inside the left side of two halves of a ferrite ring.
50 winds of approx 18 gauge copper wire around that same side, then on top we have 15 or 16 winds of same gauge ?
Other side, 150 winds of similar gauge wire, wound bifilar.
Place piece of paper as a seperator between the two sides of the ferrite.
Pulse the 15 winds with 400kHz.
Pulse the 50 winds with 50Hz.
The 150 winds side is where we draw the power from.

Here are more pictures from the lab:

T-1000 10-31-2011 01:56 PM

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Also, see carrier wave of 50Hz having ferrite resonant wave of 382Khz.

For those who concern about power input: we connected 2 impulse generators with 10V 0.25A each. The load is 220V 150W halogen.

P.S> The 1,6Mhz resonance is on copper plates and 382Khz in 1 of primary coils in previous post.
Reposting here because in overunity.com forum this piece of information is lost.

dragon 10-31-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-1000 (Post 164592)
Also, see carrier wave of 50Hz having ferrite resonant wave of 382Khz.

For those who concern about power input: we connected 2 impulse generators with 10V 0.25A each. The load is 220V 150W halogen.

P.S> The 1,6Mhz resonance is on copper plates and 382Khz in 1 of primary coils in previous post.
Reposting here because in overunity.com forum this piece of information is lost.

Wasn't this schematic posted somewhere on OU? Does anyone have a link? I looked for it through the last dozen pages or so and couldn't find it....

T-1000 10-31-2011 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 164598)
Wasn't this schematic posted somewhere on OU? Does anyone have a link? I looked for it through the last dozen pages or so and couldn't find it....

It was posted by me. On Saturday forum gone down and recovered only on yesterday from backup. My posts wasn't there anymore...

dragon 10-31-2011 04:11 PM

Thanks T-1000, can you re post it here? Also, what is the proper procedure to find the natural resonance of the ferrite ring?

T-1000 10-31-2011 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 164610)
Thanks T-1000, can you re post it here? Also, what is the proper procedure to find the natural resonance of the ferrite ring?

That's correct and you need to support it in all time.

First you use those 2 copper plates after generator and generate white noise to it.
When doing that you check where are peaks on spectrum analizer and apply correct resonant frequency. No matter what type of signal is, the output should be sinus wave on secondary coil. In our case the resonance was 1,66Mhz

Now, when you put resonant frequency in, attach frequency analizer into primary coil of 51 turns (the other 16 turns are on first primary). Select highest peak from lowest frequency range. So it will be resonant frequency for that coil. In our case it was 382Khz.

After doing this, you need carrier wave, in our case it is 50Hz. When you attach 50Hz to 16 turns coil and ferrite resonant on 51 turns coil, you need to synchronize pulses between in way you get large sinus 50Hz wave carring small high frequency pulses inside. For this we used TV set's horizontal and vertical lines sync circuit and adjusted its parameters to needed frequencies.

For each coil you need to make LC circuit acting as filter on needed frequencies. So you calculate capacitancy values in conventional way and test it.

If you manage get working circuit until this step, you should have OU already.

The paper between 2 pieces of toroid acts as insulator.

If you start discharging HV capacitor over spark gap to copper plates, it will make strong scalar magnetic wave impulse and amplifies output power while lowers needed input power from generators. Just be cautionous about this step, in our experiment the ferrite gone into pieces with load of 600W (150W is without sparks) after 15-20 minutes.

Kokomoj0 10-31-2011 05:23 PM

I might have to bite my tongue for the following reasons:

He has an impressive show however:

The device leaves much room for skepticism because on a second look you can see that he demonstrates one coil and shows us how to build a different coil that he did not demonstrate.

The coil he shows working has ample room for batteries inside, the coil he builds does not.


That immediately raises a minimum of yellow flags.



There is room for NIMI bats in this one:



http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...se1/TPU021.jpg

There is not room for nimi bats in this one:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...se1/TPU023.jpg


and smiths device there is room for a power company,


I see a yellow flag here unless that guy is willing to demonstrate the coil he shows everyone to build.

nueview 10-31-2011 06:23 PM

i watched both videos and guess there is some discrepancy here as well it seemed to me he said to pulse the braid and the 16 turn coil was for the output.
did anyone else here this or just me?
also he said that copper foil could be used instead of the braid.
i would think the braid would be a better bet though.
i guess it is time to tear apart some CRT monitors i am wondering if the frequency for the ferrite resonance is part of the paper spacer perhaps a small rubber spacer would work better.
as for the measurements it does not bother me to much it could be like trying to measure static or no resistance currents most folks won't have the equipment for reading anyway.
Martin


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