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mbrownn 03-21-2011 02:39 AM

Was the Lockridge device the original parallel path motor?
 
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Was the Lockridge device the original parallel path motor?

We have a motor case that is slotted that would allow for a parallel path setup if a permanent magnet is placed across the slot. If this is the case then we have the problem solved.

See attached diagram.

The motor brushes would be mounted in line with the centre of the magnets, but offset from 180 degrees slightly to cause pulsing of the coils. If I am correct the magnetism induced in the rotor by the pulse would be opposed by both the permanent magnets and the stator coils causing strong torque.

The rotor would be star wound but not interconnecting.

The generator brushes would need to be adjusted for maximum voltage so I wonít give a location at this stage as I havenít built this motor yet, but Iím sure you will work it out like me. I believe the voltage will be higher than the source because of the increased flux caused by the parallel path.

The stator coils would be bifilar wound to capture the kickback and fed to a capacitor across the source reducing input power.

Thatís the basics so what do you think?

sorry about the quality of my drawing/

mbrownn 03-26-2011 01:33 PM

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This is the basic 2 pole schematic although I have a few permutations to try for the 4 pole as shown by John Bedini in Energy from the vacuum.

The magnets will be placed left and right

I have purchased a 4 pole starter motor and will get the slots machined as soon as I can. My problem is finding suitable magnets, U magnets can be used on the outside as an alternative to c magnets internally

I will wind two poles, bifilar, with 18# wire.

I really do believe this will work, can anyone give me feedback please.

FRC 03-26-2011 04:26 PM

mbrownn
 
You should place these posts in the Lockridge thread. I think you might have something here.

FRC

mbrownn 03-27-2011 03:34 AM

Thanks for the response

Yes, itís been hidden in plane sight all along; itís just so obvious now that I have started working on parallel path.

I did not post it under Aarons thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lindemann.html because it was stated that you have to have seen the electric motor secrets part 2 to post on that thread and posts that I had made were not responded to. I think there is plenty to learn from on that thread and didnít want to take it off at a tangent, although I think this is too important.

To make the perfect device, we need to split the stator electrically but have a magnetic path and a parallel path. We need a rotor that is not conductive but will have magnetic properties so ferrites would be ideal. As this is mechanical switching we have an arc problem so we need to produce a rotor with low inductance and low BEMF.

This thread is about replication and rediscovery of an old device and not building the perfect device. Once we have a working device then we can develop it and make all the changes needed.

P.S. I would like to get hold of a copy of Peters ďElectric Motor Secrets part 2Ē but donít own a credit card, so If you are coming to S.E. Asia, can you bring me a copy, the cash is waiting.:D

Jetijs 03-27-2011 06:23 PM

Hi Mbrownn,
to be honest I don't understand what you are proposing, a better drawing would be helpful.
Jetijs

mbrownn 03-28-2011 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jetijs (Post 135489)
Hi Mbrownn,
to be honest I don't understand what you are proposing, a better drawing would be helpful.
Jetijs

The drawing is for my two pole design. (Sorry about the quality, my 10 year old laptop isnít powerful enough to run CAD)

Red = North
Blue = South

We take the stator, remove two opposite poles and then machine a slit in the case at this location. The other two opposite poles are connected NS NS, in a regenerative model these will be bifiler wound to facilitate recovery feeding back to the source.

Two C magnets are then placed across the slits observing the polarity shown.

The rotor is wound with non-interconecting coils but otherwise normally. Sort of a star configuration.

The brushes will be set up so that the on time will occur, timed as shown in the drawing. These brushes will also switch the stator coils on as the motor will be wired as a universal motor. The brushes will not be 180 degrees apart but slightly less than this and adjusted to give the required pulse time at the optimum speed.

The comutator will have unused segments between each coil so as to provide an off time.

This is the basic motor setup. It is not imperative for the motor to be in overunity as far as speed and torque are concerned as there will, I believe, also be gains in the recovery and generation.

In recovery of the input, using bifilar coils on the stator poles, I believe there may be increased potential due to the increased flux provided by the magnets although I have never tested this.:confused: Recovery may also be possible to some extent from the rotor by connecting a second set of brushes to the adjacent rotor winding.

In the generation, I am still a little confused, I see it as the backEMF/Recovery spike will be in the same direction as the generation in the rotor coil so will assist generation but I may be wrong there. Again I believe that the potential in the generation will be increased due to the extra flux provided by the magnets.:confused:

I believe that the parallel path motor is half of a Lockridge device, the other half being the rotor windings and recovery system.:suprise:

I hope you understand my explanation and also hope you can help me with understanding the things I am having trouble getting my head round.:wall:

Thanks in advance

mbrownn 03-28-2011 08:55 AM

Note that with this design you do not need a specially shaped rotor as the motive force is applied by the coils on the rotor; however if a shaped rotor is used it may be possible to increase torque as there is nowhere else for the flux to go.

The gap between the magnets and the rotor may be much larger than the poles; I think this will be a requirement. It may be that external U magnets will work better than internal C magnets because there will be no cogging caused by the magnets proximity to the rotor.

A universal motor is usually about 35% efficient so we need a combined output of recovery and generation of 65% to reach unity. This, I believe is possible as 35% recovery is not a big deal nor is 35% generation.

pault 03-29-2011 01:41 PM

bloch wall
 
I'm out of my depth here , but the first thought that came to mind is the Bloch wall. If I understand correctly (e.g. from reading some of Howard Johnson's work), magnetic fields don't loop from one end of the magnet to the other - they loop from each end towards the middle (the Bloch wall).

I googled for Bloch wall and hit this thread, does it have any bearing on what you are thinking?:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...generator.html

I'm certainly interested in following your progress. Please keep us updated.

pt

mbrownn 03-30-2011 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pault (Post 135808)
I'm out of my depth here , but the first thought that came to mind is the Bloch wall. If I understand correctly (e.g. from reading some of Howard Johnson's work), magnetic fields don't loop from one end of the magnet to the other - they loop from each end towards the middle (the Bloch wall).

I googled for Bloch wall and hit this thread, does it have any bearing on what you are thinking?:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...generator.html

I'm certainly interested in following your progress. Please keep us updated.

pt

Me too.

Yes, I believe a magnet does have a field as you suggest, you can see this when you cover a magnet with iron filings.

In my experiments, making iron magnets, I found that the magnetic strength drops over a period of time. If you place a keeper (a piece of iron) connecting the north and south poles the drop in magnetic strength is much slower.

Many have suggested that by massaging a blotch wall it is possible to extract energy, I believe that this is true.

In the setup I have shown it is like having a keeper on the magnet, but at the moment of magnetic switching the effect of this keeper is nullified as the flux moves to its new path. I believe that this causes a quick compression of the blotch wall. The same again happens as the magnet switches back. The release of energy can be detected by placing a coil in the circuit where you will see a spike of high magnitude.

This is the same effect in an electro magnet as it is turned on and off and this is part of the energy gain in this motor.

This is quite complex but ill try to explain simply.

At rest the motor has no input or output and the magnets are held in the keeper position. When power is applied to the coils, an electromagnet forms, attracting the poles of the permanent magnets, causing the flux to change path. This in turn causes a compression and relaxation of the blotch wall inducing a spike resisting the flow of electricity in the coil. The flux enters the rotor but is deflected by the magnetic field in the rotor coil, this places a torque on the rotor, causing rotation. The rotation switches off the coil causing the flux to switch back but now there is no electricity to resist the spike so we can see it and collect it. The collapsing field of the electro magnet generates an EMF in the same direction as the spike giving an amp reading.

I have theories on why this is the case but it would be a distraction from the purpose of this thread.

When talking about the spikes in coils I usually miss out the magnetism and talk about the radiant and ďnormalĒ electricity because it is easier to explain. In truth it is a complex issue that may involve gravity too. You may have heard John Bedini and Tom Bearden talk about an electro-magnetic-gravitational wave. To be honest it causes my brain to crash as I do not know enough to properly explain it, quantum physics and all that.:wall:

Hope this helps

mbrownn 03-30-2011 01:38 PM

There is more discussion on this topic here Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ - View topic - Was the Lockridge device the original parallel path motor?

:thumbsup:

mbrownn 05-12-2011 02:48 AM

Thanks to the member that shipped me a copy of Electric Motor Secrets part 2.:cheers:

It is clear from the info on this video that the Lockridge device was not a parallel path motor as I postulated. However I do believe that the parallel path idea would be a potential improvement for the original device and I will continue to investigate this.

Peter, as always, explains simply the basic principals in a way that even I can understand.:thumbsup:

It does seem most likely that the rotor was of a star configuration and that the capacitor is used as part of a regenerative circuit. It also seems as if I, in my ignorance, am coming to the same conclusions as Peter in other aspects of the devices operation. Thanks again to Peter as I had not thought of using bulbs in the manor he suggests.:thumbsup:


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