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rickoff 10-10-2009 08:17 AM

The American Ruling Class
The American Ruling Class
I don't watch very much TV, but sometimes there is a show scheduled with a topic that interests me. Tonight was such an occasion. A documentary titled The American Ruling Class aired on LINK TV. LINK TV is an alternative media station that presents topics and viewpoints you would never expect to see on a MSM station. It is fully funded by viewer donations, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that a woman from the town where I live pledged funds of up to $100,000 to match viewer donations to LINK TV. This documentary was particularly interesting in that well known people within the ruling class (basically people who earn more than $500,000 annually and who are in positions of power and influence) were interviewed and often revealed the truth about the wealthy ruling class through what they said. In one scene, a young man visits the office of a hedge fund manager who logs into the Bloomberg information website on his computer and pulls up information showing who the actual owners of General Electric really are. It is a list of several well known banks and Investment firms, including JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank. I'm not at all surprised by that, but I think many others would be. General Electric Company is well known by most people for their electric home appliance products, but they are actually a multinational corporation that is involved in manufacture of a multitude of products including jet engines and atomic generators. They are also one of the largest patent holders worldwide, and are probably only second to General Motors in the number of suppressed technology patents held. As the documentary goes on to point out, big money owns everything, and there are just a handful of people in the world who control these major banks and investment firms. Anything they don't already own can be bought, including the presidency. Presidents and administrations come and go, but the big money bankers and investment firms never go away. They are always there, hiding behind a corporate fascade. Anyone visiting the Deutsche Bank website http://www.db.com/csr/index_e.htm and believing what is presented there, would think that they are the world's greatest benefactor. Deutsche Bank, of course, has been involved in several big scandals, one of which involved insider trading that placed massive pre-911 put options (bets that stock prices would fall) on stocks of companies that stood to be affected most by 911 incidents. The majority of put options on United Aitlines stock was handled by the Alex Brown Inc firm, a subsidiary of Deutsche Bank. Was anyone ever charged in relation to those activities? I don't think so, and that just shows how powerful they are. Quite interestingly, Buzzy Krongard, who headed the Alex Brown firm until 1998, was the Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency at the time of the 911 incidents. It is now known that he also has served as a consultant and advisory board member of Blackwater USA, the New World Order’s leading intelligence-related corporate mercenary death squad now under investigation for war crimes, murder, arms smuggling, and fraud in Iraq. Also very interesting is the fact that Buzzy's brother, Howard Krongard, served as the State Department's Inspector General, a post that he used to stonewall and quash attempts to investigate Blackwater. And the deeper you dig, the more dirt comes out. The Bush family accounts were largely handled by Alex Brown Inc, and Deutsche Bank handled the accounts of the Bin Laden group, and also an account for Pakistan's ISI (intelligence agency) leader Imtiaz, who was arrested and convicted for keeping tens of millions of dollars from heroin smuggling activities in his Deutsche Bank account. As for J.P Morgan, you may remember that they received 30 billion dollars in TARP funds for agreeing to buy out failing Bear Stearns for 29 billion. Stearns was failing because they held some bad assets, however they also held many good assets. J.P. Morgan became the owner of those good assets, valued at more than the Stearns buyout, and never paid a penny for them. We did! We, the American taxpayers. I tell you, the stench is getting so bad that I feel like I am going to pass out from holding my breath. The worst part is that I know this is just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. Just a tale of two corporations from the top of a barrel of rotten apples. I am sure that others here also have similar stories they would like to share.

You can see segments of The American Ruling Class documentary on YouTube:
YouTube - The American Ruling Class Trailer

YouTube - (2005) - The American Ruling Class - 1998 - Jobs with No Security - suffering, starvation, death

YouTube - Empire Falls from The American Ruling Class!


h20power 10-10-2009 09:25 AM

That is why the findings of the scientist of a thermitic matireal found in the world trade center dust is not plastered our TV screens for that is tangable evidence that the world was just fed nothing but lies concerning the events of 9/11.
Next after this H1N1 kills a good portion of humanity, they more than likely have a story as to how this could have happen, and again no one will be held accountable.

Those that have been following my little thread will be the few that find energy independence for now even the circuit is done, so energy independence is now ours for the taking. All one has to do is build it for I imagine any attempts to mass distribute this technology will only lead to the persons that try to do so's death.

SkyWatcher 10-10-2009 09:39 AM

Hi folks, I myself am fully aware of the shenanigans of these ones. Why I and the rest of the innocent ones of humanity are in this scenario, only god knows, but I would venture to say it is a learning experience so we do not make or entertain these ideas or ways of life again. Heaven is heaven because folks have gotten over the idea of dominating others and instead see all as one big family in love. Thanks for the thread.
peace love light

rave154 10-10-2009 11:12 AM

If you're interested in some deeper links into kronguard and co ( and others )....you might want to watch....



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Matthew Jones 10-10-2009 11:28 AM

I mentioned the following in another thread before but I'll say it again.
This is the information that should lead one to removing themselves completely from under the influence of any bank.

That means No PayPal, No debit cards, No credit cards, No loans, If possible No gasoline, coal, Or oil based products. Personal energy production. Barder based trade instead of cash payments. Barder is not taxed, in America anyway. And research the ownership of companies you do do business with. Buying from someone who is in debt extremely to a bank is also contributing.
List goes on... to food production and storage, health care, Auto coverage, Homeowner insurance. Most of these can be replaced with Bond, depending on where you live.

It the only power one person has against these people. If there are enough they loose. Slowly but surely.

There is no other way. The politicians won't do it as general assembly at a federal level. A revolution isn't possible do to the fear most have of over throwing and restarting a government, or just fighting in general.
A small group of people at a local level could do quite a bit if greed didn't corrupt.

You gotta remember, we let it get to this point, by not being educated overall, Not being reactive and hostile enough towards our leadership.
If we beat one in public everynow and then they would still be working for us.



rickoff 10-11-2009 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 70542)
This is the information that should lead one to removing themselves completely from under the influence of any bank.

Barder based trade instead of cash payments. Barder is not taxed, in America anyway.

Unfortunately, Matt, that's really a popular misconception. In the instance where a simple exchange takes place, such as a person swapping a pint of milk for a pound of sugar, there isn't a problem. Thing is, we have many needs for goods and services, and there are ways to barter for them, but the IRS has that all figured out. Let's say that I work out a deal with my neighbor to tune his piano, and in exchange he will give me a good working chainsaw. In this case we are bartering a trade of services for goods. By IRS rules, each of us is required to report the fair value of the service or goods as income. Another problem is that it would be difficult for us, on our own, to work out enough barter deals to take care of all our family's needs. The solution to that is a barter exchange service, which is a business that gathers information about all of its client's wants and needs, and what they have to offer in return. The business then earns a commission for putting the right people together to conclude barter deals. It's a great way to accomplish barters for just about any goods or services you can think of. But alas, the IRS has this angle all figured out too. The barter exchange business is required to file reports with the IRS of all exchanges, and the parties to those exchanges. They are also required to furnish the same information to their clients on 1099 forms. Here's what the IRS says about bartering:

Tax Responsibilities of Bartering Participants

If you engage in barter transactions you may have tax responsibilities. You may be subject to liabilities for income tax, self-employment tax, employment tax, or excise tax. Your barter activities may result in ordinary business income, capital gains or capital losses, or you may have a nondeductible personal loss. Barter dollars or trade dollars are identical to real dollars for tax reporting. If you conduct any direct barter - barter for another’s products or services - you will have to report the fair market value of the products or services you received on your tax return.
Reporting Bartering Proceeds

If you barter your products or services through a barter exchange, you should receive a Form 1099-B, “Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions.” The amount shown in 1099-B Box 3 “Bartering” is your barter transactions proceeds and is generally reportable as income and must be included on your tax return. Barter exchanges have an annual obligation to report your bartering proceeds to the IRS.

Really bites, doesn't it? :(


SkyWatcher 10-11-2009 08:09 AM

Hi folks, simple answer to that Rick is unless your an employee of the government or acquiring profits from outside the country, the so called 'irs' does not apply to us, period and even if threatened with jail, it still does not apply. In fact, threats just prove the con they play.
peace love light

rickoff 10-11-2009 09:44 AM

What role does the SEC play in the American Ruling Class?
The Securities and Exchange Commission was created by Congress during the Great Depression. The idea was to create a watchdog agency that would keep an eye on Wall Street brokerages and stock exchanges, and hopefully end the kind of abuses that triggered the market crash of 1929. The SEC was given the power to license and regulate stock exchanges, the companies whose securities traded on them, and the brokers and dealers who conducted the trading. The enforcement authority given by Congress allows the SEC to bring civil enforcement actions against individuals or companies who have allegedly committed accounting fraud, provided false information, or engaged in insider trading or other violations of the security law. Sounds like a good idea, right? But wait a minute - why is it that the SEC apparently took no action to investigate or charge Deutsche Bank for its role in insider trading related to pre-911 American Airlines put options? (see post #1 for further details about that scandal)

More recently, the SEC was criticized for ignoring 9 years of requests to investigate Bernie Madoff. As you may remember, Madoff was finally convicted in March of this year for operating a Ponzi scheme Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that bilked investors out of more than 50 Billion dollars. This is said to be the largest financial fraud ever committed by a single person. Madoff had been chairman of Madoff Investment Securities, a Wall Street firm, and had also been chairman of the NASDAQ stock exchange. The SEC had reportedly conducted several investigations since 1992 regarding Madoff, but no charges were ever filed. Harry Markopolos testified before the House Financial Services Subcommittee in March of this year, saying that he had presented evidence, regarding Madoff's fraudulent activities, to SEC over a 9 year period, but that the SEC failed to take any action. See the Markopolous testimony here: YouTube - Markopolos: I gift wrapped and delivered the largest Ponzi scheme in history to the SEC

When one realizes that the SEC is run either directly by the American Ruling Class, or by puppets of the Ruling Class, such gross neglect and dereliction of duty becomes understandable.
YouTube - SEC corruption is limitless : Markopolos congress testimony on Madoff fraud

The SEC is headed by five commissioners, each of whom is a lawyer. Nearly all started their careers as corporate lawyers, defending and advising corporations on legal matters. The current chairperson of the SEC is Mary Schapiro, who assumed that position on January 22, 2009 under president Obama. In 2009, under the direction of Schapiro, the SEC attempted to settle a case with Bank of America regarding the disclosure of bonuses paid to Merrill Lynch executives just before their take over by Bank of America. U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff threw out the proposed $33 million dollar settlement saying it "does not comport with the most elementary notions of justice and morality". Schapiro is reportedly considering early retirement in the wake of the scandal.

The scandals never end, do they? And they won't end as long as the American Ruling Class Wall Street elite, big money bankers, and corporate lawyers are placed in key government positions.


Matthew Jones 10-11-2009 10:27 AM


"Unfortunately, Matt, that's really a popular misconception....."
Well that is news.But like alot of the rules around the IRS.
"Good luck catching me....".

I'm not bragging about not paying taxes, I pay my tax's if I don't have charitable write offs, losses, ect...

But an exchange between me and my neighbor, hell they don't get that much honesty out of me.

And thats what primarily talking about..... Small trade, instead running out and buying or renting something on credit, see if you can trade to get it done. Its not always that easy though...

Its just one of them things that can easily be accomplished with out any involvement with banks or other things.


Joit 10-11-2009 12:22 PM

Interesting for me, that the German Bank is involved at it,
because i live there. But seriously, you as a Citizen in this Land have no Control over the Politicans her Politic, or the Banks,
supposing, like everywhere.
Germany is still under the Control from the 4 victorous power and the EU, we still got only a peace treaty, Germany itself dont exist!, because one from our smart Politicans H. Kohl, did dissolve the BRD as we should be united with Ex-DDR.
This is a well-protected secret, what the Mediums dont spread.
Peoples here are most time pretty powerless, when they wanna have Changes.
Actually, they do what they want, Laws get waved through at 23.12, when the half of the Politicans are not at Work,
or they just pass resolutions, and noone can do anything.
We got a solidarity tax since we became united with East-Germany,
where they said, 'its just for one year'. Now, 15 Years has passed, and its still there, even, that there is no sense for it anymore.
At the latest Bank crash, we did sponsor the Banks with Billions, but theyr Manager still get her annual Provisions, and dont care about, where it do comes from.

At an other Forum, someone started a similar Posts, where all the Patents left from 19xx.
Someone wrote, that most of them been declared as state secrets, and been confiscated after the WW.
All Material, what been used at this Time been changed, that they dont work,
as they do in theyr nature form.
All you can do, is read the Patents, what are allready 'overhauled' and changed,
do get the Basic Knowledge, and see, if you can make something to work.

It's a Trick, We Always Use It

Ted Ewert 10-11-2009 02:55 PM

The ruling class seeks to keep the majority of citizens in a state of crisis as a control mechanism. Ruinous taxation, high energy costs, job losses and investment scandals all add to maintaining a high level of anxiety and a low standard of living. This is the real terrorism stalking us.
People are easily manipulated when they're terrorized and think they need someone else to solve their problems for them. The ruling elite are only too happy to oblige.
Free energy would throw a large wrench into the gears of this weapon of mass deception. It would raise everyones standard of living significantly. Do you think this is going to be allowed?
We all pay a large percentage of our income towards energy costs, both directly and indirectly. It's nothing more than a hidden tax which is specifically designed to rob us of our wealth.
Wealth equates directly to "power". Whether that power is used to maintain independence or peace of mind, it is a direct impediment to the ruling class's plans of complete domination. Therefore, wealth is stolen from us at every opportunity. It's no accident that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
As difficult as it is to create COP >1, the real battle will begin once that information starts to become utilized. The ruling class ********s aren't going to let it slide.


yoyo 10-11-2009 05:45 PM

Thanks for the informative summary of that program rickoff,

along those lines is a recent article:

Gerald Celente explains ‘Obamageddon’ forecast amid call for The Great American Renaissance
October 8, 7:12 AM Manhattan Headlines Examiner Tim Barello

Gerald Celente explains ‘Obamageddon’ forecast amid call for The Great American Renaissance


Gerald Celente, founder of The Trends Research Institute and publisher of the quarterly Trends Journal, is a staple of news and Internet media. Dubbed “The Martial Artist of Trend Forecasting,” Celente is world-renowned for his authoritative forecasts on events in financial markets and socio-political movements.


Another key derivatives critic is Christopher Story FRSA, editor of the UK-based International Currency Review, which he has been publishing for 40 years; Story counts central banks, sovereign treasuries, and government intelligence agencies around the world among subscribers. Noted as a former occasional adviser to Margaret Thatcher, he has long maintained that the entire derivatives sector is centered on fraud. His website also presents a chronicle of very serious allegations – tantamount to charges of ongoing, worldwide economic terrorism – against high-level individuals within the US government and financial sectors, including current and former presidents, cabinet secretaries, intelligence agents, as well as Federal Reserve and banking officials.

It is common knowledge that severe consequences accompany the willful publication of libel in the UK; per Mr. Story, Britain’s Head of State, Her Majesty the Queen, and many other world leaders, are fully aware of these allegations. As he has not been prosecuted for disseminating libelous statements, one can only assume that these charges, spanning back at least six years, are indeed based on facts. Granted, I am in no position to individually authenticate purported crimes, but I can enlighten others on what is being published over an international landscape; after reviewing this catalogue of analysis – which forecast most of the events that are happening today – some will certainly be inclined to contact US law enforcement agents, and demand an investigation into these shocking claims. If that is the case, please do so in a civil manner. (Note: this report has been submitted directly to American authorities.)

I mentioned Mr. Story’s stance on derivatives to Gerald; the other allegations were not specifically referenced during our conversation. “Story is one-hundred percent right…these are con games,” he said, in regards to derivatives.

Iotayodi 10-11-2009 08:05 PM

People are slowly waking up. I knew a lot of this back in the early 70's. There are about 300 power brokers in the world. Power can easily corrupt and to the point of murder if you get in their way of there losing large sums of money. This includes world leaders. They are fairly subject to money and their agents of influence. I have been at odds against Corporations and Multinational Corporations for years. Ive watched them lie and use loophole tactics to cheat you out of money. At&t and Oil just being two of them. Ive seen people cheated out of their patents. Ive watched mom & pop businesses fold by the multitudes the past 40 years or so. Do you think Bill Gates became a Multi Billionaire by fair pricing or good business practices. Look who ran the Governments Sec and what happened. Until we wrestle back our control over governments it will not change. In my opinion there are too many high class mobsters running the world.

rickoff 10-11-2009 10:43 PM

More on Madoff and the SEC
In my previous post, concerning the Madoff/SEC scandal, I pointed out how Madoff is said to have conducted the largest financial fraud scheme in history that is attributed to a single individual. But did he really pull this off all on his own? Not a chance. The SEC clearly enabled this 50 billion dollar ponzi scheme to go on unabated, even though they were furnished with clear evidence of wrondoing by Markopolis on five occasions over a 9 year period. Some very revealing information about that in this 60 Minutes interview with Markopolis:
YouTube - 60 Minutes Harry Markopolos Madoff Part1of2
and YouTube - 60 Minutes Harry Markopolos Madoff Part2of2

As seen in these videos, several large investment firms were "feeders" for Madoff's ponzi scheme, including the Connecticut firm Fairfield Greenwich, which steered more than 7 billion of investor money into Madoff's scheme. The ponzi scheme ended up wiping out the life savings of a great many inividuals, both wealthy and working class. Many pension funds and charitable organizations were fully invested in the Madoff ripoff, mostly because of faulty advice given by investment advisors at firms such as Fairfield Greenwich. These firms later claimed that they had no way of knowing that Madoff's "investment plan" was fraudulent, and that they were also victims. That is far from true. They had the ability, and the obligation, to thoroughly check out the validity of Madoff's investment claims before falsely advising investors. Madoff regularly published lists of so called successful stock and commodity trades that he had made, and these were shown to prospective investors at the feeder firms. These were totally bogus, as none of the listed trades ever took place - a fact that could easily have been discovered if the feeder firms had done due investigative diligence and simply made a few phone calls in an attempt to verify whether or not the reported trades were factual.

From what I have been able to determine, it looks as though the SEC never investigated the involvement of the feeder firms, and none of the firms owners or employees have been indicted. As a matter of fact, the SEC never did conduct an investigation resulting in bringing Madoff down. In the end, when Madoff realized that his ponzi scheme was about to collapse, he had his sons (who had conducted much of Bernie Madoff's business affairs) turn him in to authorities. This, of course, was to protect them from being charged in any way. Madoff has steadfastly maintained that he was the only person who had any knowledge concerning the fraud, but of course that is ridiculous, as the following 20/20 program investigative report shows:
YouTube - Bernard Madoff on 20/20 Part 1
and YouTube - Bernard Madoff on 20/20 Part 2
and YouTube - Bernard Madoff on 20/20 Part 3
Very revealing, don't you think?


jibbguy 10-12-2009 01:52 AM

Hehehe only in America ;)

The Ponzi family is demanding that federal prosecutors stop using their name to describe Madoff's crimes

American Politics Journal - Ponzi Estate Sues Federal Prosecutors For Slander

ashtweth 10-12-2009 06:24 AM

Thanks for posting Rick its relative for the sites research. I am just finishing research on a Doc that shows 3% of the gold mined for Africa is returned. Plus many others of their natural resources are marauded and pillaged buy the ruling class. Gotta start with education i guess.


rickoff 10-12-2009 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by jibbguy (Post 70661)
Hehehe only in America ;)

The Ponzi family is demanding that federal prosecutors stop using their name to describe Madoff's crimes

American Politics Journal - Ponzi Estate Sues Federal Prosecutors For Slander

Hi Steve,

The name, "Ponzi scheme," is of course a reference to Charles Ponzi, the man who supposedly was the first (at least on a large scale) to sucker investors into unknowingly making investments in a pyramid scheme. Ponzi was not the first to use such a scheme, however, and his 7 million dollar swindle looks like peanuts compared to Madoff's 50 billion dollar take. Therefore, I can see why the Ponzi family is irked. Ponzi came to the US from Italy with only $2.50 in his pocket, and later was arrested and served 3 years in prison for forging a check. You would think that potential investors would have been more wary because of Ponzi's past, but their greed was what motivated them. Ponzi ran ads stating that he would pay investors a 50% interest in just 45 days, and of course people should have realized that was just too good to be true. He actually did pay early investors, but with money that came in from future investors once the word spread that Ponzi had paid up as promised. Now of course anyone who thinks they are making money hand over fist isn't going to cash in right away, so most people just left their money to grow, thinking they would become wealthy in a year or two. And that's the same kind of euphoria that Madoff's investors believed in. The difference is that Madoff was well known on Wall Street as a supposedly respectable businessman, having served as NASDAQ chairman, and operating a legitimate investment firm for several years. He was clever enough to refine the Ponzi scheme into something that truly had the appearance of being a remarkable series of wisely chosen and high yielding investments. If not for the deepening recession, and people choosing to pull their money out of the stock markets, Madoff might have been able to continue his deception for several more years. Madoff was definitely one of the powerful elite, and a member of the American Ruling Class. Like others of the Ruling Class, he contributed large sums of money to candidates in both the Democrat and Republican parties. When the scandal broke, a few senators quickly released their takes to be distributed to victims of Madoff's swindle, but many more politicians did not. Very few of Madoff's investors will ever see a dime of their investments returned, but what about Madoff - does he get to keep his several lavish estates for his family? And what of his legitimate Wall Street business? Can that be dissolved and the proceeds used to pay back swindled investors, or is his business a separate entity that is protected from that use? I haven't heard or seen the answers to these questions yet, but it would certainly be interesting to learn the truth.

Incidentally, after reading the article you provided a link to, I am now wondering where the Ponzi descendants came up with millions of dollars to invest with Madoff. Could it be that they were able somehow to hold onto a large part of the 7 million dollar fortune that Charles swindled his investors out of? If so then the adage, "what goes around comes around" would certainly hold true in this case, and also be well deserved.

Rick :)

yoyo 10-12-2009 04:18 PM

From Worldreports.org Christopher Story

The Bush Crime Syndicate, of course, had multiple outlets for the stealing, placement, distribution, and laundering of the vast flow of hijacked funds that it handled, of which the Madoff enterprise was one – a point that needs to be borne in mind, so that the moribund Wanta situation is seen in its proper perspective. On 9th July 2009, it was reported that Irving Picard, the Trustee appointed by the Manhattan Court to take charge of identifying assets to compensate the victims, had stated that his investigations had ‘unearthed a labyrinth of interrelated international funds, institutions and entities of almost unparalleled complexity and breadth’.

Specifically, Mr Picard revealed that stolen assets had been identified in Britain, Ireland, France, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Spain, Gibraltar, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands and the Bahamas. Mr Picard has despatched more than 230 subpoenas seeking overseas records and has received more than 15,400 claims against Madoff and his defunct Ponzi network. As in the case of the ‘Wanta’ accounts, the funds that Mr Picard is chasing are in fact ‘Bush Crime Syndicate’ funds, as Madoff was used as a key conduit for the dispersion of stolen funds (in accordance with the classic Ponzi model).

ANTIQUER 10-12-2009 07:58 PM


Thanks for the link; very interesting, though a bit loquacious.

Here's another very interesting excerpt.



It has now been established that the National Security Agency (NSA) works with/controls Microsoft, Norton, McAfee, and others, in pursuit of the Pentagon's vast BIG BROTHER objective, directed from the 'highest' levels (not the levels usually referred to) which seek to have every computer in the world talk direct to the Pentagon or to NSA's master computers.

This should come as no real surprise since the cynical spooks even assert this 'in-your-face' by advertising 'INTEL INSIDE', which says exactly what it means. More specifically, NSA have made great strides in this direction by having a back door built into Microsoft VISTA. Certain computers, especially those labelled with the logo of the 'fully collaborating' firm Hewlett Packard, have hard-core setups which facilitate the remote monitoring and controlling of personal computers by NSA, Fort Meade. We now understand that if you are using VISTA* you MUST NOT enable 'file and printer sharing' under any circumstances. If you say 'YES', so to speak, to 'file and printer sharing', your computer becomes a slave at once to NSA's master computers. DO NOT ENABLE SHARING.

Unfortunately, this abomination is so far advanced that this may not be the only precaution that needs to be taken. As long as Microsoft continues its extensive cooperation with NSA and the NSC (National Security Council), the spying system which assists the criminalised structures, and thus hitherto the Bush-Clinton 'Box Gang' and its connections, with their fraudulent finance operations, NSA may be able to steal data from your computer. The colossal scourge of data theft is associated with this state of affairs: data stolen usually include Credit Card data, which the kleptocracy regards as almost as good as real estate for hypothecation purposes. Even so, you can make life very much more problematical for these utterly odious people by NOT USING U.S.-sourced so-called Internet Security and anti-virus software. Having been attacked and abused so often, we offer a solution.


rickoff 10-12-2009 08:27 PM

The rich don't always get richer

Originally Posted by Ted Ewert (Post 70622)
Wealth equates directly to "power". Whether that power is used to maintain independence or peace of mind, it is a direct impediment to the ruling class's plans of complete domination. Therefore, wealth is stolen from us at every opportunity. It's no accident that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Hi Ted,

Thanks for your post. You made some good points. We have all heard the saying, "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer," and this certainly seems to be somewhat true. It seems to fit well with another saying - "it takes money to make money." Most of us, as mere peons in the overall scheme of things, would consider that the "rich" could be broadly defined as being any individuals or families who have a net worth of a million dollars or more. We are exposed to glimpses of such persons every day, in the form of Hollywood stars, recording artists, sports icons, and other celebrities who have practically made their fortunes overnight, and who spend them almost as quickly to live life in the luxury fast lane. It was precisely this group of "rich" people that lost the most through Madoff's ponzi scheme swindle. These rich people, certainly wealthy by our standards, were expecting to become richer through their investments with Madoff, and many of them were talked into investing their entire wealth, which of course was subsequently lost when Madoff's scheme collapsed. This shows, of course, that simply being wealthy does not buy membership into the American Ruling Class, where a code of "honor amongst thieves" exists which will not allow members to scam other members of the powerful elite. The rich and famous people that we are bombarded with on television and in media tabloids are just small fish to the power elite sharks who have amassed obscene fortunes, and who either own or control every facet of our lives. You are right, Ted, in saying that these power hungry slave masters will not be willing to give up their stranglehold control over energy, as that is no doubt their greatest asset. Historically, control of energy assets could be likened to a perpetual motion machine of which the input is sucking in vast amounts of humanity's dispersed wealth, and the output is a constantly converging stream of unimaginable wealth that is funneled and directed into the hands and pockets of a relatively small number of people in this world who hold the actual purse strings. It is going to be very tough to develop and deploy affordable free energy devices to the masses, but it is something we must continue to strive to do, and success in that endeavor is no doubt one of the strongest weapons that we can hope to bring to bear against those who have for so long suppressed and oppressed us.

Best to all,

Rick :)

Matthew Jones 10-12-2009 11:29 PM


Thats probably not the truth. I lived 15 minutes from NSA for 12 years and 2 years prior to that I lived just out of the buildings shadow on Fort Meade MD.
I know personally alot of people who have worked there. I have worked in the building along with alot of people I know. They are the largest employer in the state of MD.
Alot of people believe that because they have taps into communications lines and such that they have free rain to monitor you or anybody they want. Thats just not the truth. They have many FISA lawyers who file warrants and such continually. They aren't some black organization of people unchecked and unregulated. They primarily decode foreign communications and do linguistic work and the like...


Mozaar 10-13-2009 01:07 AM

Nice thread!
I used to be a huge fan of these conspiracies, powers that be and so on. At the end the question comes "Well, what are you going to do about it?"
I flirt with these concepts in my blog but what I really want people to understand is fighting these forces head on would mean death. Not could mean death. Thus if you are preaching about it, driving up fears and anxiety you pretty have nothing to worry about. If you are strong, mental and spiritually, you are a goner. Now, thats a good thing. To be totally of the spirit is a good thing but adhering to spritual beliefs when you have this body is what we are here for anyway. Its kinda like polishing a rough stone in the tumultuous sea.
When man rules man. Man gets screwed.

jibbguy 10-13-2009 02:36 AM

i was never very swayed by that fear stuff... it only seems to work on those who could possibly be intimidated by pointless threats. When you view this as it is, its hard to get very scared over it ;)

And we are doing something right here in this forum and many other places... Doing much more than they are happy to see being done... We are putting a great deal of pressure on some who don't like being pressured... Too friggin bad: They are going to disclose on Free Energy and many other things anyway whether they like it or not, because the PEOPLE OF THE WORLD will make them. There are hundreds of millions of us waking up, and only handfuls of them. If i was one of them.... i would be the one scared here, hehehe.

I used to live in a world where "conspiracy" was a word synonymous and nearly always followed with the word "nut" ... That was because this word was deliberately and carefully made out to have these connotations by those who think they can control others through their thoughts, and who make a living at doing so... The idea of turning "conspiracy" in a pejorative based on derision started in the mid 1960's; to try and deflect folks from thinking too hard about the Kennedy Assassination (and Oswald's assassination by Jack Ruby right after it).... and it has gone on ever since. They really started cranking it up after 9/11 though, lol.

But the fact is, when folks get wise to these pathetic little parlor tricks, they really don't do squat... And we are not swayed by mere words and threats of doom. All they can really do to us is to make some suggestions: Which are immediately rejected for what they are.

Because true independence is the independence of thought. And any "revolution" we have is going to be a revolution of thought.. One with no bullets, but with something much more powerful.

SkyWatcher 10-13-2009 03:04 AM

Bingo! jibbguy. Well said.
peace love light

rickoff 10-13-2009 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by yoyo (Post 70713)
As in the case of the ‘Wanta’ accounts, the funds that Mr Picard is chasing are in fact ‘Bush Crime Syndicate’ funds

I'm glad you mentioned the Wanta accounts. The Leo Wanta story is no doubt one of the most amazing pieces of information that has ever been told. Basically, what it amounts to is that Leo Wanta is the trustor of accounts totaling more than 27 trillion dollars and belonging to the people of the United States. In contrast, our total national debt is currently about 12 trillion dollars. U.S. National Debt Clock

What's more, the story about Leo Wanta is not just a story. It is fact. President Reagan authorized Leo Wanta as the guardian of these funds, and Federal Judge Gerald Bruce Lee upheld Wanta's role as trustor in a April 15, 2003 ruling which also directed that Wanta has the authority to go after and secure these funds and return them to the Treasury of the United States. Wanta realizes that any attempt to do this would be thwarted by the Federal Reserve, and will not attempt to return the money to the Treasury until the Federal Reserve is disempowered, which can only happen by abolishment, in which case monetary control would be returned to the Treasury. Certainly we would also need to kick Federal Reserve placements, such as Geithner, out of the Treasury department.

To hear the fascinating story of Leo Wanta in his own words, download the following two mp3 files:
Greg Szymanski - RBN 2006-0323-Thur 1pm Hr1 Leo Wanta: Free MP3 Download

Greg Szymanski - RBN 2006-0323-Thur 1pm Hr2 Leo Wanta: Free MP3 Download

These mp3 files are from a talk radio show broadcast done in March of 2006. They do include advertisement sections, but these can be easily skipped over as each such segment is 3 minutes in duration.

Well worth a listen. :thumbsup:


rickoff 10-13-2009 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by jibbguy (Post 70750)
I used to live in a world where "conspiracy" was a word synonymous and nearly always followed with the word "nut"

Yes, and that did work for awhile, but too many people began believing the existence of the conspiracies and were offended at being called conspiracy "nuts," so the powers that be began appending the word "theory" as a replacement. This acknowledges that many people believe in these "theories" without calling them a bunch of nut cases. The term, "theory," though, denotes the beliefs as non-quantifiable and unproven. Even though less than 20% of the US population still believed the Warren Commission Report after viewing the Zapruder film of Kennedy's assassination, and believed that there was definitely a conspiracy cover-up, the belief in a cover-up was promoted as being strictly theory. The same is true of the 911 incidents, even though the official story doesn't hold enough air to keep a birthday party balloon inflated, and in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The spin doctors are always hard at work, arent they?


future pather 10-13-2009 03:35 PM

I think the rich focus too much on the sins of the non-rich and the non-rich focus too much on the sins of the rich.

Do people really think you can quantify sin by any population?

Anyway I had a different thought regarding this post. I wonder what will be the result of Obama now preventing the Swiss bank accounts situation. Will people move all that money back to the US and let it get taxed? Will people move out of the US?

But overall I have to look at this spiritually.

17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Matthew 22 - Passage*Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

What this means to me is that God does intend for us to honor whoever provides our roads, schools, police force, etc.

I'm not saying those people never get corrupt, I'm just saying all people get corrupt.

But on that:

Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

Acts 5 - Passage*Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

Meaning God will not let corruption get too far for too long.

I don't mean to say we are wrong for spotting any injustices out there.

Just saying I think it's possible to get too caught up in the us against them thing to where it's not productive.

We are all one :peaceflag:

yoyo 10-13-2009 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 70739)
Thats probably not the truth. I lived 15 minutes from NSA for 12 years and 2 years prior to that I lived just out of the buildings shadow on Fort Meade MD.
I know personally alot of people who have worked there. I have worked in the building along with alot of people I know. They are the largest employer in the state of MD.
Alot of people believe that because they have taps into communications lines and such that they have free rain to monitor you or anybody they want. Thats just not the truth. They have many FISA lawyers who file warrants and such continually. They aren't some black organization of people unchecked and unregulated. They primarily decode foreign communications and do linguistic work and the like...


Hi Matt, Seems to be a problem with some kind of "backroom" operation...

From: Obama Administration Accused Again of Concealing Bush-Era Crimes

Monday 12 October 2009

by: Matt Renner, t r u t h o u t | Report

The lawsuit centers around the Bush administration's surveillance programs, specifically the TSP, which was revealed by The New York Times in 2005. In defending the warrantless spying activities conducted by the NSA, the Bush administration said the TSP only allowed surveillance of electronic communications when one party is outside the United States and one party is suspected of being "a member or agent of al Qaeda or an associated terrorist organization," according to a letter from then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez.

The TSP was not administered or overseen by the special court set up by Congress to review secret surveillance activities. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) established the court as a check on the executive branch's power.

Under the TSP, the special FISA court was sidestepped, with shift supervisors at NSA - not judges in a courthouse - deciding who was an appropriate target for surveillance.

Whistleblowers have reported widespread abuse of this power.
According to reports and documents, the NSA spied on UN Security Council members in the run-up to the Iraq war. Whistleblowers say the NSA monitored the personal calls of aid workers, journalists and active-duty soldiers serving in Iraq (video). Technology expert Mark Klein says that the NSA was collecting massive amounts of data traffic that passed through a major data hub in San Francisco.


SkyWatcher 10-14-2009 12:53 AM

Hi folks, Hi future pather, thanks for the words. You said "Just saying I think it's possible to get too caught up in the us against them thing to where it's not productive."
I understand what your getting at here, the issue in my mind are the systems that have been created that are not harmonious for humanity or the good of all. This may be why these ones still supporting these systems try to distract us from seeing and understanding how these basic systems function so as to have us looking at each other, or the puppets they install that are easily replaceable. However as Jibbguy points out, the people are awaking to these systems and there workings, and the lack and enslavement game will end. Schoolroom earth as they say.
peace love light

rickoff 10-14-2009 12:56 AM

Obama and the Swiss bankers

Originally Posted by future pather (Post 70813)
I wonder what will be the result of Obama now preventing the Swiss bank accounts situation.

Actually, while Obama appears to be taking the credit for moving against the Swiss banks, the impetus to do so resulted from a mid July, 2008 standing-room only hearing on tax haven banks and tax compliance held by the US Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. UBS, Switzerland’s largest bank and the world’s largest private wealth manager, with $1.9 trillion in client assets and nearly 84,000 employees in fifty countries, including 32,000 in the United States, was one of two exposed in the results of the Congressional Committee’s six-month investigation. The investigation proved substantial wrongdoing by UBS and its employees, and disclosed that 54,000 accounts held by US citizens and corporations were likely being used for tax evasion purposes with direct assistance from UBS in that endeavor. UBS had been aware of the investigation during its 6 month span, of course, and was looking for ways to soften the blow of legal actions likely to occur against them afterwards. Along comes Robert Wolf, CEO of UBS Americas. Wolf emerged as Obama’s most copious cash collector in New York City, hosting two high-dollar cocktail parties, making countless calls, and harvesting more than $500,000 for Obama's presidential campaign. In the world of dirty politics and campaign finance, those who raise big bucks for a candidate are in a position to ask favors, and to expect to receive them. That's how the political machine works. UBS knew they were in big trouble, and who better to help soften the impact of the Congressional investigations of their wrongdoings than the perceived winner of the 2008 presidential race? In the end, under the Obama administration, UBS agreed to a settlement whereby they would disclose account information regarding just 4,500 accounts (about 8% of the 54,000 accounts the investigation deemed as dirty). In addition, UBS agreed to a 780 million dollar payment which admitted wrongdoing but dismissed any further claims or action against UBS or its employees. It sounds like a lot of money to us, but to UBS and its owners it is a mere slap in the wrist. If the case against UBS and the 54,000 accounts held by tax evaders had been aggressively pursued, estimates say that billions of unpaid tax revenue could have been secured by the IRS. Instead, the government agrees to a quick "settlement." Of the 4,500 accounts that will be investigated, it is not likely that investigators will turn up very much. Indeed, the Congressional report on the investigation states, “The Statement of Facts in the Birkenfeld [a UBS banker] criminal case describes additional actions taken by UBS bankers to help U.S. clients manage their Swiss accounts without alerting U.S. authorities. It states, for example, that UBS bankers advised U.S. clients to withdraw funds from their accounts using Swiss credit cards that “could not be discovered by the United States authorities”, to “destroy all off-shore banking records existing in the United States”; and to “misrepresent the receipt of funds from the Swiss bank account in the United States as loans from the Swiss Bank.”440. The Statement of facts also discloses that, on one occasion, “at the request of a U.S. client, defendant Birkenfeld purchased diamonds using that U.S. client’s Swiss bank account funds and smuggled the diamonds into the United States in a toothpaste tube,” presumably so that the U.S. client could obtain possession of his Swiss assets without alerting U.S. authorities.441. It also states that Mr. Birkenfeld and his business associate Mario Staggl “accepted bundles of checks from U.S. clients and facilitated the deposit of those checks into accounts at the Swiss bank” and elsewhere, presumably to assist the clients in making transfers to their Swiss accounts, again without alerting U.S. authorities.442"

The 4,500 affected account holders have had plenty of time, forewarning, and assistance from UBS in eliminating paper and computer trails, and shifting their assets to other locations which are not under fire. Switzerland is just one of a multitude of places where the ultra wealthy power elite has been able to hide their assets and set up corporations to avoid tax liabilities. Here's an example showing how easy it is:
Update: Swiss Bank Accounts; Tax Havens and Cheating the American Tax System Video

Incidentally, Birkenfeld, who was a whistleblower providing nearly all of the government's information in the UBS investigation, received a 40 month prison sentence, while his wealthiest tax evading client, Igor Olenicoff (a California real estate billionaire) was sentenced to two years' probation and agreed to pay $52 million in back taxes, penalties and interest. Two years probation, while whistleblower Birkenfeld gets nearly 4 years in prison? Go figure. This can only prevent other potential whistleblowers from coming forward, of course, and that can only be advantageous to those who want to stay out of the spotlight.


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