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dyetalon 05-14-2018 03:02 PM

about the Ferrocell (ferrolens)
 
I don't know what happened to my previous thread, but here goes again:

I'm moving the ferrocell discussion here, away from Ken's thread because it's kinda off topic.

Questions, Queries, Posers, Comments?

bistander 05-14-2018 03:54 PM

Ferrocell image
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310242)
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I'm moving the ferrocell discussion here, away from Ken's thread because it's kinda off topic.

Questions, Queries, Posers, Comments?

Hi dyetalon,

Thanks for starting this thread. I'd like to start where you left off in Ufopolitic's thread (about Ken's work).

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310240)
I'd like to move this conversation to the General area and leave Kens discussion. I started a new thread there but is not appearing yet.

For now, open your imagination into a situation where two phases cancel out.
That leaves nothing. Now you turn on a light. Then you see the "nothing".

Its the lowest potential. Zero point. The Bloch region.

Please elaborate. What is it?

What do you mean using "Bloch"? All credible references which I can find on Bloch wall, Bloch region, Bloch line, or Bloch point puts the feature on the size scale of domains (micrometer scale) or smaller to the atomic or even subatomic scale.

Then, I have my imagination open and see "nothing". Is that it? How does it apply to the image from the ferrocell?

Regards,

bi

Edit: for reference on Bloch
http://www.energeticforum.com/309920-post945.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/309922-post946.html

dyetalon 05-14-2018 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310245)
Hi dyetalon,

Thanks for starting this thread. I'd like to start where you left off in Ufopolitic's thread (about Ken's work).



Please elaborate. What is it?

What do you mean using "Bloch"? All credible references which I can find on Bloch wall, Bloch region, Bloch line, or Bloch point puts the feature on the size scale of domains (micrometer scale) or smaller to the atomic or even subatomic scale.

Then, I have my imagination open and see "nothing". Is that it? How does it apply to the image from the ferrocell?

Regards,

bi

Edit: for reference on Bloch
http://www.energeticforum.com/309920-post945.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/309922-post946.html

The Bloch region is where North turns into South another way of looking at it: where the 'field' reverses polarity.
From Wikipedia: "A Bloch wall is a narrow transition region at the boundary between magnetic domains, over which the magnetization changes from its value in one domain to that in the next, named after the physicist Felix Bloch. The magnetization rotates out of the plane of the domain wall, in contrast to Néel walls".

Perpendicular to the light source- LIKE THIS:

http://www.ferrocell.us/images/Another%20moebius.jpg



You can read further about the Neel wall, domains etc. But we're dealing with fields around particles much smaller than a domain and its a relatively new direction for research.

Now lets talk about potential. Potential is like the lake holding water for the town to use. Until its used, it is only potential. Same thing with a static (stationary) magnetic field. It has a measurable potential. Now if you move the magnet relative to a ferrous metal or a coil of wire, the potential becomes induced and 'electrons' flow thru the conductive circuit.

What if we were to take the contents of our lake and 'subtract the water' by inverting the potential of the lake and adding it to the non-inverted potential?
We have zero. And that what we are measuring (visually and with test equipment) with a Ferrocell. We are adding two out of phase fields (N-S), and where they cancel out equals zero. This is the point of minimum potential.

When you bring light into the 'zero' area, the light will 'scatter' in the zero area and will appear as a band from the source to the magnet and back to the source. It actually makes a Zero. This explanation is what convinced the patent examiners (yes two of them) at the Patent Office to grant my patent.
Let me add here the width of the 'band' will be directly proportional to the width of the source light. So we're filling in the 'zero' with light.

Parallel to the light source- SEE:

http://www.ferrocell.us/images/ring%20cell.JPG

This is two small cylinder magnets next to a tiny incandescent lamp (direct rays blocked by black paper) setting below a 50mm cell.

ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY PIX SMALLER?

Ufopolitics 05-15-2018 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310250)

ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY PIX SMALLER?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/LM6azq.jpg

Just quote my post and copy link...below is bigger (1024X768) if you like...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/LM6azq.jpg

Do not know if in your pic server you could resize images on the direct links.

Regards


Ufopolitics

dyetalon 05-15-2018 03:04 AM

[QUOTE=Ufopolitics;
Ufopolitics[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info.

I was wondering if there was some formatting I could apply when I link the image to set the size. Guess I'll have to make sure they're 800x600 on my server.

Markoul 05-15-2018 07:31 AM

I think this will further add to the discussion...
 
http://www.energeticforum.com/310243-post1085.html

Markoul 05-15-2018 07:35 AM

My proposition for the Ferrocell vs Iron filings debate
 
Ferrofluid ferrimagnetic and superparamgnetic thin film inside the ferrocell aligns parallel to the external magnetic field therefore the magnetic image produced is a perfect copy of the flux of the field under observation.

Iron filings are attracted by the strongest nearest pole of a magnet thus attracted only by the two strongest potentials of the field of a magnet meaning its two poles, therefore only depicting the N-S axis direction of a magnet and unable to depict the complete flux of the field which has much more than two potentials! They are really just compasses pointing only at the strongest magnetic potential found in an area and unsuitable for any flux observation.

That's all really.

And I will not continue this debate in this thread here.

This thread I believe must be dedicted solely to the Ferrocell (ferrolens).

EM

mikrovolt 05-15-2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310257)
Thanks for the info.

I was wondering if there was some formatting I could apply when I link the image to set the size. Guess I'll have to make sure they're 800x600 on my server.

https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...ge-with-bbcode

dyetalon 05-15-2018 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikrovolt (Post 310269)

YES ! That's what I was looking for. Good old VBcode.
Thanks mikrovolt. This will make life easier.

And in response to ricards post on Kens thread:
Quote:

A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through..
Here's a cell I built for Michael Snyder 10 years ago when he was writing his Undergraduate Thesis on the cell for his Masters degree:

http://www.ferrocell.us/images/100mm...-21-2008-B.JPG

He put a cylinder magnet in the center (wrapped with black cloth) and took a series of pix, this being one of them:

http://www.ferrocell.us/images/I_A_5414_450.jpg

Ring of 36 RGB LEDs around the edge of the cell.
I'll ask him if he made any videos of the magnet moving thru the cell center.
Back then, LEDs weren't very bright so the lines are not as clear like a modern cell displays.
Oh, it was a real b*tch getting the center area sealed!

dyetalon 05-15-2018 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Markoul (Post 310267)
EM

I think we should discuss the difference between ferromagnetism and ferrimagnetism. Maybe this will help understand whats going on in the cell.

Here's the ordering in different materials and a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_structure

What I first notice is the ordering of a ferromagnetic material (All Fe except Fe3O4) is linear in one direction only (iron filings), but the ferrimagnetic material is bi-directional (ferrofluid). There is a major difference in how the light reacts in these two different modes. Bi-directionality has the proper vectors to provide cancellation, where uni-directional materials do not.

This is what I refer to when I speak of phase cancellation (N minus S) occurring in the cell. If we graph a magnetic field, we obtain a peak at positive maximum (North) and a peak at negative maximum (South).
It actually resembles a sine-wave (as seen on an oscilloscope). If we break this down into math, we get +180 degrees and -180 degrees.

What happens if you add these two together? :confused:

Iamnuts 05-15-2018 03:25 PM

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Am I getting anywhere?

dyetalon 05-15-2018 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamnuts (Post 310279)
IMG_20180515_162121.jpg

Am I getting anywhere?

Nope. You're a Standing Wave :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave

bistander 05-15-2018 05:48 PM

Ferrofluid
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310277)
I think we should discuss the difference between ferromagnetism and ferrimagnetism. Maybe this will help understand whats going on in the cell.

Here's the ordering in different materials and a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_structure

...

What happens if you add these two together? :confused:


Hi dyetalon,

Glad to have you join the conversation.

From your wiki link:

Quote:

Finally, ferrimagnetism as prototypically displayed by magnetite is in some sense an intermediate case: here the magnetization is globally uncompensated as in ferromagnetism, but the local magnetization points in different directions.
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...-ordering1-png

From what I've learned, for the purpose of ferrofluid, the ferrimagnetic and ferromagnetic materials behave very similarly when we're not concerned with Curie temperature, saturation magnetization, and permeability. I don't know about the optical properties.

Here's an interesting look at ferrofluid (I think).

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...4&d=1526403669

From:
https://www.mnn.com/green-tech/resea...trate-magnetic

I liked this video from that site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvtUt02zVAs



Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310277)
This is what I refer to when I speak of phase cancellation (N minus S) occurring in the cell. If we graph a magnetic field, we obtain a peak at positive maximum (North) and a peak at negative maximum (South).
It actually resembles a sine-wave (as seen on an oscilloscope). If we break this down into math, we get +180 degrees and -180 degrees.

What happens if you add these two together?

Those little arrows in the diagrams (which I posted from your post) represent magnetic moments of the particles, grains, or domains in the material. The gross magnetic field of a significant quantity of the material is the integral of all those moments. As shown in the diagram, ferrimagnetic material has a "favored" direction of magnetic moments aligned by the external magnetic field therefore, as you put it, the N & S phases, will not totally cancel.

So what happens when you "add these two together", you get what looks very much like ferromagnetism. So much so, ferrimagnetism is covered, and iron oxide on the chart, at the wiki article, which is a pretty good explanation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism

Regards,

bi

bistander 05-15-2018 07:29 PM

Bloch wall
 
I
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310250)
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From Wikipedia: "A Bloch wall is a narrow transition region at the boundary between magnetic domains, over which the magnetization changes from its value in one domain to that in the next, named after the physicist Felix Bloch. The magnetization rotates out of the plane of the domain wall, in contrast to Néel walls".
...

Hi dyetalon,

Yes, thank you, I read that a few times plus much more on the subject. Notice that the first sentence says the Bloch wall is at the boundary between magnetic domains. Magnetic domains are a fraction of a mm in size, or even um. So an inch size magnet, or piece of ferro/ferrimagnetic material will contain millions of magnetic domains and similar order of magnitude number of domain boundaries of which many are likely to be Bloch walls.

Ufo, EM, and other members here believe there is a single Bloch wall in a magnet of handheld size and it separates the N domain from the S domain and is located in the middle and perpendicular to the magnetic axis. Here's my opinion on that:
Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 309920)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 309778)
That's right...that one...the one you called "bad science"...Rawls & Davis book.

Here is an example what these authors promote which I call bad science. Found in chapter three:

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...bloch-wall-jpg

Then they end chapter with what I find disgusting:

Quote:

We are closing chapter three with the discussion and drawings presented only to better explain magnetism, the rate of flow direction, the two poles, the division of the two poles, and the potential force as to the electronic charge potential of each pole. This allows a reference to scientists who may not have continued into the physics of electrodynamics. Students and instructors should attempt to upgrade and correct any older text materials that differ from today's concepts and understandings of the basic of magnetism as presented herein.
All because they observed a bubble drifting on a microscope slide between magnets in 1936. From what I call tell, this bad science was the beginning of the misuse of "Bloch wall" and spinning static magnetic fields. The origin of fantasy magnetism.

As long as I have started and have the Rawls & Davis diagram shown (attch#1), I'll explain some of what's wrong with it. When you do a Google image search for Bloch magnetic domain wall, you see hundreds of hits most looking like attachment #2.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...bloch-wall-png

From: Domain Wall Magnetoresistance

Now compare the two diagrams. The primary discrepancy is the labeling of the N & S surfaces. The arrows represent particle or crystal dipoles and point to the N end of the dipole. So the surface of the domain to which the arrows (dipoles) point will be the N side (pole) of the domain which is the top left as shown in attch#2. Similarly, the bottom right will be that domain's N making the upper right surface S as indicated in attch#2.

Notice in attch#1 that Rawls & Davis apparently misread such a diagram and labeled the end surfaces N and S. This makes a huge difference. They continue bad science assuming they're looking at a diagram of a magnet of handheld size when the domains, of which there are two shown, are but a small fraction of a millimeter in size. And then their third piece of bad science is to assign spin to the magnetism. I won't even touch their ridiculous broken figure 8. The whole deal stinks.

Regards,

bi


Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310250)
The Bloch region is where North turns into South another way of looking at it: where the 'field' reverses polarity.
...

The "Bloch region" actually has a different meaning used in quantum mechanics at the subatomic level. It was in this field where Felix Bloch was awarded the Nobel Prize. I can only wonder if he rolls in his grave.

Regards,

bi

Markoul 05-15-2018 10:37 PM

My purpose is to establish to the world the real geometry of the magnetic field shown by the ferrocell.

We did 200 years ago a mistake... it is time to rectify it...

Do you understand how significant this is? If we got the geometry of the field wrong this will prevent us from going to the stars!!

...everything changes even the dipole magnetic field of the electron!! to the discovery of dark matter and dark energy domain!!

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...difference-png


EM

dyetalon 05-15-2018 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310282)
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...Here's my opinion on that:
The "Bloch region" actually has a different meaning used in quantum mechanics at the subatomic level. It was in this field where Felix Bloch was awarded the Nobel Prize. I can only wonder if he rolls in his grave.

Regards,

bi

Yes I agree, that is a bad graphic. I'm sure he rolled when that drawing was made. Things have advanced a bit since then.
Here's a recent graphic:

If we continue on with this topic, we will have to look into quantum electrodynamics for more accurate answers. Not my favorite...I'm more of an experimental physics kind a guy.

Ufopolitics 05-16-2018 12:38 AM

We needed this clarifications
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310277)
I think we should discuss the difference between ferromagnetism and ferrimagnetism. Maybe this will help understand whats going on in the cell.

Here's the ordering in different materials and a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_structure

What I first notice is the ordering of a ferromagnetic material (All Fe except Fe3O4) is linear in one direction only (iron filings), but the ferrimagnetic material is bi-directional (ferrofluid). There is a major difference in how the light reacts in these two different modes. Bi-directionality has the proper vectors to provide cancellation, where uni-directional materials do not.

This is what I refer to when I speak of phase cancellation (N minus S) occurring in the cell. If we graph a magnetic field, we obtain a peak at positive maximum (North) and a peak at negative maximum (South).
It actually resembles a sine-wave (as seen on an oscilloscope). If we break this down into math, we get +180 degrees and -180 degrees.

What happens if you add these two together? :confused:

Oh Dyetalon!...Real Wisdom about Magnetism...and Ferrocells...God Bless You my Friend!!!:notworthy:

Yes, I believe for the first time I agree with Bistander...:D...about the great benefit to have you here with all of Us...it is a GREAT HONOR!!

Your paragraph above, which I bold out and specifically the underlined sentences...Oh man...that is the very key to understanding!!!

And thanks to that paragraph above...I finally realize...then conceive the whole thing...the whole view...the whole everything...

It is very clear...and forgive me, but IMHO, I believe it is not only about the way light reacts with the two different materials (one way directional versus bi-directional)...but basically how they both react completely different to the Magnetic Field.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


Regards


Ufopolitics

bistander 05-16-2018 01:42 AM

Bloch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310291)
Yes I agree, that is a bad graphic. I'm sure he rolled when that drawing was made. Things have advanced a bit since then.
Here's a recent graphic:
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Hi dyetalon,

It wasn't about the quality of the graphic but about the science (or lack of science) behind it.

Nice graphic from you. I'd like to know more about it. Do you have the source?

Back to the subject.... Call it whatever. I contend there is nothing special (meaning different) about the center of the magnet. The center has aligned domains just like the rest of the magnet. A couple of mm towards the N looks just like the center or just like a couple mm towards the S.

Regards,

bi

Ufopolitics 05-16-2018 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310277)

What I first notice is the ordering of a ferromagnetic material (All Fe except Fe3O4) is linear in one direction only (iron filings), but the ferrimagnetic material is bi-directional (ferrofluid). There is a major difference in how the light reacts in these two different modes. Bi-directionality has the proper vectors to provide cancellation, where uni-directional materials do not.

Sorry but I needed that paragraph again...to go over it and explain the way I see this...

And then again...I am trying to put it as simple as I possibly could...

Iron Filings which is a mixture of any kind of Fe...except Fe3O4...is purely LINEAR & DIRECTIONAL, therefore, this is the reason why their alignment to Magnetic Fields "interprets" the One Way Spin Direction, which both poles have...except they do it in a LINEAR-DIRECTIONAL FASHION.

Ferrofluids, since they are Bi-directional, have the "ability" to SPLIT DIFFERENTLY for each pole, following each of their centrifugal/emanating directions which are opposed from the center and outwards into Space, following their spatial path all the way to their discharge zone, the center of the magnet.

Iron Filings directional alignment positions them between the two higher potential of the Field, the poles...completely ignoring the center discharge zone...since they can not "split-bidirectionally".

Now, Bistander cited an interesting quote from wikipedia:

Quote:

Finally, ferrimagnetism as prototypically displayed by magnetite is in some sense an intermediate case: here the magnetization is globally uncompensated as in ferromagnetism, but the local magnetization points in different directions.
Globally uncompensated?, yes, of course...We have been guided for over 200 years based on the same "directional interpretation" scheme from ferromagnetism...and all the sudden a new "splitting bi-directional interpretation" from ferrimagnetism...is completely understood we believe this duality of interpretation is "uncompensated"...since it is following "different directions"...don't you think?

Anyways, Timm...if by any means you believe I am going off topic above, please let me know and I will delete it, and pass it to other Thread.

Last thing I want to do...is to disrupt your excellent thread here.


Regards


Ufopolitics

dyetalon 05-16-2018 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310295)
Hi dyetalon,

It wasn't about the quality of the graphic but about the science (or lack of science) behind it.

Nice graphic from you. I'd like to know more about it. Do you have the source?

Back to the subject.... Call it whatever. I contend there is nothing special (meaning different) about the center of the magnet. The center has aligned domains just like the rest of the magnet. A couple of mm towards the N looks just like the center or just like a couple mm towards the S.

Regards,

bi

Yea. I clipped it from the Max Planck Institute in Germany:
https://www.mis.mpg.de/applan/resear...magnetics.html

Nothing is the key word here. That's what I've been telling everyone...Zero. Zip. Nada. What's so special about nothing? It follows the lowest potential of the field.

Next we need to look at how magnetism affect magnetite when it's made smaller than a domain...

dyetalon 05-16-2018 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics (Post 310296)
Sorry but I needed that paragraph again...to go over it and explain the way I see this...

And then again...I am trying to put it as simple as I possibly could...

Iron Filings which is a mixture of any kind of Fe...except Fe3O4...is purely LINEAR & DIRECTIONAL, therefore, this is the reason why their alignment to Magnetic Fields "interprets" the One Way Spin Direction, which both poles have...except they do it in a LINEAR-DIRECTIONAL FASHION.

Ferrofluids, since they are Bi-directional, have the "ability" to SPLIT DIFFERENTLY for each pole, following each of their centrifugal/emanating directions which are opposed from the center and outwards into Space, following their spatial path all the way to their discharge zone, the center of the magnet.

Iron Filings directional alignment positions them between the two higher potential of the Field, the poles...completely ignoring the center discharge zone...since they can not "split-bidirectionally".

Now, Bistander cited an interesting quote from wikipedia:



Globally uncompensated?, yes, of course...We have been guided for over 200 years based on the same "directional interpretation" scheme from ferromagnetism...and all the sudden a new "splitting bi-directional interpretation" from ferrimagnetism...is completely understood we believe this duality of interpretation is "uncompensated"...since it is following "different directions"...don't you think?

Anyways, Timm...if by any means you believe I am going off topic above, please let me know and I will delete it, and pass it to other Thread.

Last thing I want to do...is to disrupt your excellent thread here.


Regards


Ufopolitics

You have to remember that I'm generalizing here. The process is much more complex than just bi-directionality, but it's a good starting point for further discussion.

And you are not off topic by any means. I started this thread to talk about the cell and what it shows. Someone may find something I've overlooked, didn't understand or just plain got it wrong.

I'll try and explain what I (and a few others) have theorized what the primary functions are.

I love the feedback.
:thanks:

ricards 05-16-2018 04:05 AM

Hello Dyetalon,

Thanks for opening the thread,

I would like to repost some here as the video link I got where the configuration I was talking about is portrayed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ueVhG8hT3E

But I would love to see that experiment of yours..

dyetalon 05-16-2018 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricards (Post 310302)
Hello Dyetalon,

Thanks for opening the thread,

I would like to repost some here as the video link I got where the configuration I was talking about is portrayed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ueVhG8hT3E

But I would love to see that experiment of yours..

Brian has made some fantastic cells. And he is very creative.
I hadn't seen this one before.

Maybe after looking thru these things for 13 years I'm accustomed to knowing what to expect from certain lighting and layering.

However the ferrosphere is the best! Too bad ya have to shake it like a snow-globe to get it working.

Which experiment of mine are you referring to?

ricards 05-16-2018 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyetalon (Post 310304)
Brian has made some fantastic cells. And he is very creative.
I hadn't seen this one before.

Maybe after looking thru these things for 13 years I'm accustomed to knowing what to expect from certain lighting and layering.

However the ferrosphere is the best! Too bad ya have to shake it like a snow-globe to get it working.

Which experiment of mine are you referring to?

The one where you shoot the magnet Inside the hole in the center. moving it up and down to see where the high and low magnetic potentials are.. magnets perpendicular and parallel to the ferrolens.

Markoul found a few from the same guy. (brian)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpA_0eNKkdo

Iamnuts 05-16-2018 07:27 AM

https://youtu.be/sLhgaPyoyto
Have I seen something like this before?

Iamnuts 05-16-2018 07:41 AM

It costs roughly a billion dollars a year to run CERN.
Lovely to see Timm out-do them with a five dollar jar
of ferrofluid.

dyetalon 05-16-2018 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iamnuts (Post 310308)
https://youtu.be/sLhgaPyoyto
Have I seen something like this before?

Mike Palazzola is another ferrolens genius. He and Brian Kerr have taken this stuff to new levels. Both are highly creative and inventive.

Yes. I began using laser with the cell almost exclusively since 2014. Almost all of my research since then has been with laser (and recently, gamma rays).
Here's what you can do with four 90 degree pulses, electromagnets, laser and a cell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A

Fun Stuff :thumbsup:

Let me add here: We are seeing another use for the cell. Not only can we view the lowest potential, but we can rotate it or guide the light where we want, magnetically. It can be used either way. To view fields or to control the direction of light.

Try that with iron filings !

dyetalon 05-16-2018 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricards (Post 310306)
The one where you shoot the magnet Inside the hole in the center. moving it up and down to see where the high and low magnetic potentials are.. magnets perpendicular and parallel to the ferrolens.

Markoul found a few from the same guy. (brian)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpA_0eNKkdo

I'm sure Michael Snyder has video of the event, but its not easy to get his attention these days.
He's currently working for NASA on the detection system for Earth-like planets. I think they just launched a satellite last week.
I've sent him an email about the video, but who knows when I'll hear back from him?

Brians 'slot' video is a good experiment. If/when I hear from Michael, I post a link here.

bistander 05-16-2018 12:41 PM

Simple question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Markoul (Post 310290)
My purpose is to establish to the world the real geometry of the magnetic field shown by the ferrocell.

We did 200 years ago a mistake... it is time to rectify it...

Do you understand how significant this is? If we got the geometry of the field wrong this will prevent us from going to the stars!!

...everything changes even the dipole magnetic field of the electron!! to the discovery of dark matter and dark energy domain!!

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...difference-png


EM

Hello EM,

As I understand it, you say we have used a totally incorrect model of magnetic fields to design the billion or so electric motors, generators, actuators and transformers, and the countless magnetic memory devices. Isn't it odd these machines and devices function so very well?

Regards,

bi

dyetalon 05-16-2018 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bistander (Post 310314)
Hello EM,

As I understand it, you say we have used a totally incorrect model of magnetic fields to design the billion or so electric motors, generators, actuators and transformers, and the countless magnetic memory devices. Isn't it odd these machines and devices function so very well?

Regards,

bi

I don't want to speak for Markoul, but we haven't used iron filings as a model to build magnetic devices but to try and understand how a magnet works.

The Ferrocell isn't a replacement for iron filings, but another method of seeing the effects of magnetism on matter. Now we can view from zero (parallel-iron filings) to 90 deg (perpendicular-cell). It's just a different point of view.

The filings show us what the greatest potential of the field looks like and the ferrolens shows us the least potential.


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