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Franco malgarini 02-16-2015 11:27 AM

crystal radio: the first real free energy device
 
With speaker:

Franco malgarini 02-16-2015 01:40 PM

Good antenna for crystal radio is better:

Good Antenna is Best RF Amplifier for Crystal and AM Radio Sets

mbrownn 02-17-2015 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco malgarini (Post 271428)
Good antenna for crystal radio is better:

Good Antenna is Best RF Amplifier for Crystal and AM Radio Sets

Ah the crystal set, a true free energy device. Even before the first radio transmission such a device would have crackled into life, no music of course but the sound of free energy. Hisses crackles and pops mixed with other cosmological noise. In our search for free energy we could do worse than study how to improve its efficiency.

mikrovolt 02-18-2015 11:41 AM

Not living next to a powerful transmitting station can limit success however
the subject of building a scavenging crystal receiver can still be explored and discussed.
The results usually fall below most of our expectations however some improvement of design may find it's way into
a wireless approach.

Developing an ability to build and tune in a good signal can be helpful. Classical case of spending time on a signal that is not
constant or is fading in and out can lead to unusual trial and error results.

Having a goal of using just a few parts to selectively tune a signal for the purpose of extracting power can be enhanced by simultaneously receiving a harmonic on the same tank circuit overcoming diode insertion loss. Building more circuits over a wider spectrum can sum up to a more significant value than a single receiver can do in practicality. If you can harvest a few milli-amps then over time it might result in useable power or at least a novelty power. Much like an earth battery the selectivity and low band and needed longwire often times compromises a fundimental for a weaker harmonic.

The AM and lower bands usually require longer wire whereas vhf and higher requires more delicate tuning. Not limiting yourself to conventional bands may helpful.
Having access to a scan of stations and their signal strength or noise level can be helpful.

Bob Smith 02-18-2015 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mbrownn (Post 271455)
Ah the crystal set, a true free energy device. Even before the first radio transmission such a device would have crackled into life, no music of course but the sound of free energy. Hisses crackles and pops mixed with other cosmological noise. In our search for free energy we could do worse than study how to improve its efficiency.

I would suggest that the radio aspect of this device is incidental in our search for gathering ambient energy. A related device would be the Tate Power Module. Both, at their core principle of energy-gathering, seem to have similarities with Tesla's Apparatus for Harnessing Radiant Energy (Patent 685,957). Tesla Patent 685,957 - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy.

Drawing electric charge in thru such a device (crystal radio or Tate power module) will give us very low voltage and little, if any current. That said, can we build something like a Cockroft-Walton power multiplier to scale up the voltage for possible discharge thru a spark gap?

If people feel I've gone off-course with this idea in this thread, please let me know, and I'll start another; I've no desire to derail. Anyway, this is my next project - anyone have any suggestions? I'll be using germanium diodes and caps in CW PM kind of setup.
Bob

mbrownn 02-20-2015 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Smith (Post 271514)
I would suggest that the radio aspect of this device is incidental in our search for gathering ambient energy. A related device would be the Tate Power Module. Both, at their core principle of energy-gathering, seem to have similarities with Tesla's Apparatus for Harnessing Radiant Energy (Patent 685,957). Tesla Patent 685,957 - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy.

Drawing electric charge in thru such a device (crystal radio or Tate power module) will give us very low voltage and little, if any current. That said, can we build something like a Cockroft-Walton power multiplier to scale up the voltage for possible discharge thru a spark gap?

If people feel I've gone off-course with this idea in this thread, please let me know, and I'll start another; I've no desire to derail. Anyway, this is my next project - anyone have any suggestions? I'll be using germanium diodes and caps in CW PM kind of setup.
Bob

Such devices are more like detectors than producers of energy, but they do prove its existence.

Think about this one and if you like it start a new thread on it. We can detect earth currents and we know that they can be of a magnitude of KA. we also know they can vary in strength. Would it be possible to put rods into the rock on either side of the grand canyon and draw current through a transformer or Cockroft-Walton power multiplier to provide a usable output?

Similarly could we detect currents with the crystal set on the atmosphere and set up two long wires a half wavelength apart and draw current. A crystal set combined with a scope would be a simple detector that could be used to set up such a device

Bob Smith 02-20-2015 09:52 PM

Mbrownn,
Interesting ideas, perhaps worth pursuing by someone in a warmer climate than where I am, where we've been averaging about -20 degrees Celsius each morning, with lots of snow on the ground.

I'll start a thread for the idea I mentioned.
Bob

Duncan 02-21-2015 10:18 AM

crystal set -- et al
 
Ah the crystal set worthy of serious investigation and conjecture but I am sure Bob is not considering standard dogma which teaches that despite the almost infinite impedance of a high Q parallel tuned circuit the crystal set never the less draws its operating power from the station transmitter. :thinking:
Perhaps in some cases that’s true but I feel sure that is not what Mr Smith or Franco is considering here and so perhaps time for conjecture and examples.
Many are starting to consider that there are “types of” electricity afoot which are ignored and certainly the engineering and maths are not taught in fact they are actively suppressed, regarding crystal sets here's an example of one from the back pages of this forum that perfectly demonstrate this phenomenal power. It cooked the poor guys coil :embarrassed:

http://www.energeticforum.com/215834-post1.html


Lester's first post ! What he saw 30 years ago was still nagging him enough to join our forum and post, alas an unknown and un- engineered power is almost certain to be destructive when it makes its presence felt . What of the many cases of folks who spontaneously combusted … the same power perhaps?
I wrote on Lester's thread but to be honest I was struggling to explain what my minds eye sees (I still am) please allow me to try again.
First pay attention to Mahlon Loomis who history records as the inventor of radio telegraphy his transmission and reception was achieved with no power source just as Prof Eric Dollard tells us very clearly here at 2M30sec >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc

So we now consider two very different types of electricity to wit .. electromagnetic wave which obeys all the rules and laws we have learnt and the electrostatic wave about which we know next to nothing ! It in turn knows nothing of ohms law and the like.

What if we dump the radio aspect and give the antenna a battery to charge instead ? That works too!its been used for many years by radio amateurs to keep batteries charged and as a life saver for radio communication in remote cabin stations in Canada .. here’s a basic description

Capacitor electric Charger power from the air

So of course it works and there is certainly what we term loosely “free energy” available the problem being we are taught nothing of the dimension or engineering of magnetic --- reactive – telluric – ground – ambient – electrostatic CURRENT (pick your own word here they all seem to mean the same thing by different authors at different times) and so we can't match load to source (maximum power transfer)

some who did were quickly silenced. Any radio transmission or reception tech will tell you the importance of impedance matching and the characteristic impedance of lines here's a picture of T H Morays antenna of which he was very proud

http://www.cheniere.org/images/peopl...0for%20Doc.jpg

which in turn powered his 50 Kw not quite a crystal set --- (if you like) what of Tesla's crystal set car ? With its 6ft antenna fact or fiction ?

http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/doc/Teslacar.pdf

you decide ,I wouldn't like to bet against Nikki doing anything he turned his mind to. :whistle: from an acorn giant oaks grow perhaps from a crystal set too :thumbsup: kind regards Duncan :cheers:

Bob Smith 02-21-2015 01:38 PM

Hello Duncan!
Glad to read your fine post - music to my virtual ears :)

I've started up a thread on scaling up energy from the Tate power module (same principle, I believe). I'll copy your post there as well.

I'm completely convinced of the merit of this kind of endeavor.
Thanks,
Bob

Aaron 04-29-2015 06:25 AM

Crystal Radio Initiative
 
We filmed a new video presentation of the Crysta Radio Initative with Eric Dollard and will be posting info on it and a compilation of related forum posts. Stay tuned...

Turion 04-29-2015 04:37 PM

I have posted this before in a couple places, but take a look at this book and chapter 17 which is the ambient power receiver. I have built it, and it works. A fun project.

http://www.ik4hdq.net/22RadioPro.pdf

EDITED to change the PDF link to one that works without the nonsense.

Dave

Aaron 04-29-2015 09:16 PM

free book?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Turion (Post 274620)
I have posted this before in a couple places, but take a look at this book and chapter 17 which is the ambient power receiver. I have built it, and it works. A fun project.

22 Radio and Receiver Projects for the E Free download

Dave

Did their little survey with a valid email, it accepted it, but download said not completed - then said invalid email.

Turion 04-30-2015 09:15 PM

Sorry,
It's several places on the net. Thought that was the one that worked best, but it's this one:
http://www.ik4hdq.net/22RadioPro.pdf

I own a copy, so I never worry about the on line PDF version.
Also changed the link in my previous post.

Dave

Aaron 05-01-2015 06:17 PM

ambient power
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Turion (Post 274691)
Sorry,
It's several places on the net. Thought that was the one that worked best, but it's this one:
http://www.ik4hdq.net/22RadioPro.pdf

I own a copy, so I never worry about the on line PDF version.
Also changed the link in my previous post.

Dave

Thanks - that worked.

What were you able to power with that?

There are quite a few variations on that design and a few have been posted here long ago that I can recall.

Turion 05-05-2015 04:35 AM

Aaron,
I went back and looked at my notes. I was running a bunch of lights at 12 volts, but the most I got out of it was about 8-10 amps at 12 volts.

I know the book claims 36 volts at 12 amps, but I never got that much. I don't recall if it was because I didn't try or because I didn't have any more bulbs, and it isn't in my notes. It was too long ago. I seem to recall trying to run a small DC motor, but that isn't in my notes anywhere so that may be wishful thinking.

Dave


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