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ClaxClinton 11-05-2014 08:29 PM

Anti-anti-gravity
 
Sorry about the provoking title, just wanted some attention.
A lot of Tesla related work has been demonstrated in recent times.
You can build a Bedini SG motor at home, and a few people seem to have done this successfully.

Tesla has claimed to have built some kind of flying sauce which was never
demonstrated, and on youtube there are lots of videos of people putting magnets on a plate and claiming to be working on anti gravity and flying saucers.

But, is there any simple experiment that can reproduce anything similar to the anti-gravity, vibration of there (call it what you want)? A patent, possible to build machine, anything?

Lets for a moment pretend that all the Nazi/Tesla/Otis Carr UFO stuff never happened.

What is left of actual repeatable physical proof? (Also not counting pure magnet and standing waves)

ethan 11-06-2014 12:53 AM

Repeatable? That may only be possible if you have a lot of money to spend.

John Hutchinson has used high frequency radio waves to generate anti gravity.

ClaxClinton 11-06-2014 02:46 AM

Nothing's ever that simple. Thanks for the tip, Hutchinson seems to be a very resourceful guy.

wayne.ct 11-06-2014 03:42 AM

How things work
 
I'm not saying I have a direct answer to your question but consider what this little bit of history has to teach us.

Before the Wright brothers came along and built their large-at-the-time airplane that actually flew, there was already quite a history of attempts to fly. There were small contraptions that flew, similar in size to today's paper airplanes. It took a lot of hands on experimentation and the advance of technology, i.e. internal combustion prime movers, to enable their success.

(I resisted the urge to say "enabled their design to take off" ;-)

Anyway, you can't ask for the moon and not do the work to make things happen. If, for example, you had a device that truly put out more energy than you had to supply, incremental improvement would open a lot of possibilities. But even then, the work involved to scale up the technology would not be trivial.

The contributors to this forum that have their hands busy DOING experiments are the contributors that have my highest respect. Feel free to join in the fun and actually DO things.

Now let's address your comment about resonance, magnets, electricity, etc. The truth is that there are many, and I mean dozens rather than merely several, unexplained or poorly understood phenomena and anomalous observations that are widely discussed here and elsewhere. I would say that a full understanding of how these constructions work is almost nonexistent or at best severely limited. Very few researchers even CLAIM to understand what they have observed. However, when you survey the information available, it is easy to conclude that the varied devices are constructed of REAL physical components and these components have material characteristics. The electrical and magnetic attributes of these materials can NOT be ignored. They may be important or not but they cannot be ignored. Resonance, which is in the time domain, cannot be ignored either.

To summarize, to rule out the electrical and magnetic aspects and at the same time expect any kind of sensible answer to your question is unreasonable.

I don't mean to antagonize you, Clax, but you are not thinking clearly. If you are a troll, be gone! If you are serious, you need to consider what you want from the time you plan to spend on this site because you will not get a warm welcome if you come across as a shallow thinker.

ren 11-06-2014 05:38 AM

Its been/being done with sound/standing waves. So why do you exclude it?

ldrancer 11-06-2014 09:43 AM

proof repeatable, go on internet, search, ufos. watch see proven all day long

wrtner 11-06-2014 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaxClinton (Post 266811)

Tesla has claimed to have built some kind of flying sauce which was never
demonstrated

I think it was called the Tesla flying stove. Google will get it.

There are gyroscope solutions:
[Physics] Spinning wheels and gyroscopic antigravity

including a square platform with four flywheels, one on each face. The platform itself is then rotated and the gyroscopic effects add up to cause the platform to lose weight.

Not really antigravity, more reactionless thrust.

ClaxClinton 11-06-2014 09:02 PM

Answers
 
Thanks for all replies.
I'm deeply interested in anti-gravity techniques, but I'm not a practical guy (software doesn't count), so I'm mostly reading about others discoveries.

Since there is a lot of noise out there especially about anti-gravity and such, I was a bit provocative to see if someone with more faith in that this has/is really happened could point me in a new direction. I didn't mean to be rude or troll wayne.ct, and since I'm a learning person it won't happen again.

ren 11-06-2014 10:10 PM

Maybe you will find this link interesting then.

Sound wave 3Dvolution: Japanese scientists move objects using acoustic levitation — RT News

Kinda makes you rethink your perspective on this story eh?

Acoustic Levitation Of Stones

wayne.ct 11-07-2014 01:57 AM

Reading suggestions
 
Here are two names to get you started. Search for pdfs of their writings and if you can't find them keep looking.

William Lyne (Occult Ether Physics)

and

Patrick J. Kelly (Practical Guide to "Free-Energy" Devices)

Be skeptical and use all that good logic that you use when developing software. I think you will be amazed!

wrtner 11-07-2014 03:11 PM

.
...and of course, Podkletnov:

Eugene Podkletnov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.

wayne.ct 11-08-2014 11:55 PM

Wired article ...........
 
Thanks, wrtner. I read the Wired article about Podkletnov, et. al.

ClaxClinton 11-09-2014 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ren (Post 266853)
Maybe you will find this link interesting then.

Sound wave 3Dvolution: Japanese scientists move objects using acoustic levitation — RT News

Kinda makes you rethink your perspective on this story eh?

Acoustic Levitation Of Stones

Fascinating story Ren, specifically the Tibetan. Didn't get the mathematics, but the standing is surely important. Funny that the movies were classified.

ClaxClinton 11-09-2014 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne.ct (Post 266859)
Here are two names to get you started. Search for pdfs of their writings and if you can't find them keep looking.

William Lyne (Occult Ether Physics)

and

Patrick J. Kelly (Practical Guide to "Free-Energy" Devices)

Be skeptical and use all that good logic that you use when developing software. I think you will be amazed!

William Lyne is fantastic, bought the video. Even though the axing things William says on the video, trying to evaluate his trustworthyness, I always come to the conclusion that he seems to be speaking the truth and with valid logic.
I will look in to Kelly, thanks for the pointers.

ClaxClinton 11-09-2014 07:27 PM

Eric Laithwait
 
From Tesla society UK, I got an interesting video about Eric Laithwait, who
developed the maglev technology used in high speed trains, like Shinkansen in Japan.

Eric seems to have been experimenting with gyros in order to create levitation.

(Spoiler alert)
To summarize the movie, UK didn't want to build high speed trains which of course made Eric a bit desolutioned. Then some innovator showed Eric a machine that used a gyro on wheels, and the the gyro could move forward without at all affecting the wheels. This interested Eric who thought it was some kind of fraud, but it wasn't. He started using gyros for demonstrating different (what appear to be) unexplained effects which lead his former colleagues to declare him comndemned and not being serious (my words).

Interesting figure turns up in the documentary that claims that the discussions allowed to happen within science are being increasingly limited. Well spotted ...

The last parts of the movie Eric seems to have done some kind of break throw that he wants to pattern. No idea what it was yet, but will google for it soon. If someone knows about this, please tell.

scraw 11-21-2014 09:29 PM

antigravity explanation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaxClinton (Post 266811)

Is there any simple experiment that can reproduce anything similar to the anti-gravity, vibration of there (call it what you want)? A patent, possible to build machine, anything?

Lets for a moment pretend that all the Nazi/Tesla/Otis Carr UFO stuff never happened.

What is left of actual repeatable physical proof? (Also not counting pure magnet and standing waves)

Hello Clax, I am an antigravity experimenter. Let's make one thing clear, antigravity is not a correct word or accurate. Let's use the words electromagnetic propulsion. The goal is to use the pressure of the environment (open system). The electrical or mechanical energy pumped into a device is merely used to repel the Earth. They don't actually do any work. In that sense "antigravity" would eliminate those pressures needed to attain huge velocities. If you really want to know how to do this, the Lorentz force is real and practical look up propulsion device using Lorentz force patent, opposing magnetic or electric fields will fall slower in vacuums (Boyd Bushman experiment), air pressure focused on underside of a hull with ionized air on top will do the trick, negative electric charges will repel earth (Searl disc, Otis Carr craft, one terminal capacitor (joseph Hiddick)
Reactionless propulsion is not complicated, the more knowledge you have about the environment, the more efficient these systems will be and you may even be able to reduce inertial effects. Forget about antigravity, which is a fictional concept used to hide the truth of electrogravitic or electromagnetic, electrokinetic propulsion. Reply to this if you are serious about experimenting and I will show you how to make some great discoveries.

plasmahunt3r 11-22-2014 01:54 AM

Assymmetrical Capacitor
 
The closest thing to anto gravity is an Asymmetrical Capacitor. This is probably close to what Tesla was experimenting with because it requires a High Voltage Tesla Coil rectified to DC.

Follow the following site and look at the saucers and the circuits: Advanced Propulsion Home Page - JLN Labs

The site tells how to build the 30KV power supply.

scraw 11-22-2014 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmahunt3r (Post 267407)
The closest thing to anto gravity is an Asymmetrical Capacitor. This is probably close to what Tesla was experimenting with because it requires a High Voltage Tesla Coil rectified to DC.

Follow the following site and look at the saucers and the circuits: Advanced Propulsion Home Page - JLN Labs

The site tells how to build the 30KV power supply.

Hello, plasmahunt3r, you are correct that asymmetrical capacitors are viable propulsion systems. However, they have nothing to do with gravity, but the attraction charged particles have toward each other. This is a "pull" system that is really practical when the inertia of a mass has been reduced otherwise you will need a hell of a lot of high voltages and high k dielectric material. Asymmetrical shapes are useful because they can displace environmental forces leading to higher efficiencies and velocities. Honestly, asymmetrical capacitors are not the best or "closest thing to antigravity" as I am personally aware of more advanced systems than that.

spacecase0 11-23-2014 05:30 AM

I can't find anything that creates forces like gravity than the asymmetrical capacitor,
it may not be additive, but gravity can sure be overcome with it,
I think the best path is to use electrostatic induction to make the field,
that way it can't arc over

scraw 11-25-2014 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecase0 (Post 267454)
I can't find anything that creates forces like gravity than the asymmetrical capacitor,
it may not be additive, but gravity can sure be overcome with it,
I think the best path is to use electrostatic induction to make the field,
that way it can't arc over

There are many ways to harness the asymmetrical capacitor and electrostatic induction would maybe improve efficiency reducing corona discharge. I have learned that high voltage pulses applied to materials with odd nuclei spin values (bismuth, barium titanate, mercury) will generate repulsion forces. I also found a patent called "ether propulsion system" that involves placing many metallic needles on an insulated board all connected in series. When they are charged with high voltages from only the negative terminal of a transformer they produce a force proportional to the voltage, surface area and number of needles. An asymmetrical arrangement of needles certainly would make for a great experiment!

spacecase0 11-25-2014 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scraw (Post 267526)
There are many ways to harness the asymmetrical capacitor and electrostatic induction would maybe improve efficiency reducing corona discharge. I have learned that high voltage pulses applied to materials with odd nuclei spin values (bismuth, barium titanate, mercury) will generate repulsion forces. I also found a patent called "ether propulsion system" that involves placing many metallic needles on an insulated board all connected in series. When they are charged with high voltages from only the negative terminal of a transformer they produce a force proportional to the voltage, surface area and number of needles. An asymmetrical arrangement of needles certainly would make for a great experiment!

i have hardware to test that,
fun idea, thank you

ClaxClinton 11-29-2014 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecase0 (Post 267529)
i have hardware to test that,
fun idea, thank you

Sounds exciting! Can you plz post short summary of the result if you find the time to experiment with the?

spacecase0 11-30-2014 12:26 AM

I joined this forum to tell others results of things,
will give you updates when I have any,
I was trying to verify the work of Wilbert Smith because he built the same hardware that I was going to build before I found out about him,
his hardware seems like it will work, but not well enough on the small scale I tried it on.
anyway, I will give updates when I have them


Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaxClinton (Post 267720)
Sounds exciting! Can you plz post short summary of the result if you find the time to experiment with the?


ClaxClinton 11-30-2014 10:03 PM

Thanks, looking forward to it.
No software requires in this project I guess, but if there is,
I might be able to help:)

Do you have a link to something substantial about this Mr Smith inventions?
From brief study I anly find a lot of debate over project gravity and talks about aliens.


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