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Old 02-28-2007, 10:58 AM
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The following is pasted from a post in the PI board.

Hi all!

I feel like a veteran here. My wife Mary, daughter Jill, and many family members have been using PATHS for for close to a year now. A couple of us, over a year! (we were part of the group that PATHS used for testing, before opening to the public)

Over the next few days I will share some of my experiences.

However, FIRST I WANT TO BRING A VOICE OF REASON, to all these testimonials!

Many of us (myself included), do not experience benefits quickly. Except for the sleep module, most all the modules I have used did not produce any noticeable benefits for weeks, and sometimes months!

Do I think I am defective? LOL! No, I am probably normal in how long it takes for the benefits to show up. You guys that see added muscles, or weight loss in a matter of days...you are the abnormal one. ROFL!

Seriously, everyone responds at a different speed...the ones that respond more quickly get a lot of limelight...but, my experience has been that over time, us slower ones experience just as much benefit. It all evens out.

Anyways...just wanted to let others like me know that most PATHS modules were actually designed to take 1-3 months to produce noticeable, lasting benefits...some see them more quickly, but that is not necessarily the norm.

Will post some of my actual exeriences over the next few days.

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Old 03-25-2007, 06:55 PM
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Thank you for bumping up Kevin, that was very helpful information. I will be thrilled to bits if my "Confidence" module starts working within 90 days, and I don't mind if it takes as long as that. In fact, I wouldn't feel comfortable with too sudden changes anyway.
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Thanks Kevin,

I have been trying to be patient after having been using for two months now. I really can't say that I have experienced any of the desired results yet except that my fingernails are growing. I am on the weight lose module and actually gained weight lately. Been more grumpy lately also. Some worries have also overcome me at certain times especially when "I am" not present. Some emotional turmoil within but I am sticking with it nonetheless.
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Old 04-04-2007, 03:40 AM
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Arrow Fingernails are growing!

Hi tiptoe,

Maybe I should take some lessons from you, I have been told I am a bull in the china closet more that a few times!

On a serious note...I checked with PATHS, it is as I thought, there are no instructions to make fingernails grow.

The University of Iowa says this:


"As children, your fingernails and toenails grow an average of two inches per year. But as you age, your nails grow more slowly. The average adult fingernails grow about an inch in eight months."

Heather Brannon, MD says:


"Nails grow all the time, but their rate of growth slows down with age and poor circulation."

PATHS say:


"The Sleep Module is at the foundation of the PATHS program. Every package automatically has the Sleep Module built into it.

There are hundreds of studies that have been done on sleep in relationship to mental, physical and emotional health. Thousands upon thousands of pages are readily available on this subject on the internet. (included below are just a few excerpts)

A few important issues to know are:

* As we grow older we sleep less, and the sleep we get is not as restful.
* Growth Hormone, that is naturally secreted throughout our lives,and needed to stay alive, is primarily secreted during deep sleep?with less deep sleep there is less growth hormone, and we see the effects of "age".
* During deep sleep is when our immune system does most of its work?.less deep sleep = weaker immune system.
* During restful sleep melatonin is produced (yes you can take a melatonin supplement, but it is not nearly as effective as your own bodies melatonin). Melatonin is essential for healthy skin.
* During restful sleep all the cleaning organs are operating at optimum. One of the reasons for feeling sluggish and a lack of energy during the day is from them not being able to do their job at night because of a lack of deep restful sleep."

I do not know what other modules you are using, but everyone has the sleep module. The fact that your fingernails are growing faster is indicative of the same rejuvination and "anti-aging" taking place within your entire body. You may not notice it now, you may not notice it next week, but good things are happening. Your fingernails are just the "tip" of the iceberg, that you are happening to see right now.



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Old 04-13-2007, 05:17 PM
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It took about 2.5 weeks for me to feel the full blown effects of my first module.

I have noticed out of friends and family I have referred that those who had already been taking spirulina way before starting PATHS seemed to have lightning quick results. . .I think there may be something to that.

Anyone else notice this?
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When it comes to change, we humans do vary and that’s a good thing otherwise we would all be the same. I don’t think that was the purpose of coming into physical form

Having said that, based on my experience of working with people and their energy fields and empowering them, I have found that some of those who are slow to change have to be quite diligent in where they focus their thoughts.

One of the top reasons I find people not getting what they want is the “are there yet” thinking. I remember being young going on a car trip with my parents and 6 kids at different times would say “are we there yet” guess how long the journey took, yes FOREVER.

Could you instead place your focus where you would like to be with whatever the topic is, would you be able to focus on something else that you love about yourself, if that doesn’t work, would you be able to focus on the 93% possibility that PATHS will work for you, would you be able to focus where else can you find those odds.

Would you be able to focus on what you can do and are able to do as opposed to what you can’t do, would you be able to compare yourself with yourself, would you be willing to be picky about what you read?

I will share more suggestions that may help you over the next few weeks.

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Old 04-14-2007, 06:45 AM
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Glen,

Great insights. I agree wholeheartedly with the "are we there yet?"

When I go on a new module, I just do it, and then do not think about it.

It is either going to work or not. And it is going to work, when it works, no use spending my energy "watching the pot boil". It always *seems* to take longer for that pot of water to come to a boil when you just sit there watching it.

Many of the things we are wanting to see changes in our lives took decades to get how they are. I reckon if it takes a few weeks or a few months to break loose those old moorings that have had years and years to get entrenched, that is still pretty amazing.

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Thanks Glen

Some good points there, but I would like to just point out something about the 93% success rate, Aaron has said somewhere or other that the non-success rate is more like 2% not 7% and on the original question and answer interview with Nancy, Aaron and Scott - Scott says that there is not one person that PATHS has not had a beneficial response on.

Forum PATHS Forum: 3 part interview answering those nitty gritty questions

For myself it will be 2 months next week and still nothing has happened except for the stronger fingernails and I believe that is from the Spirulina not PATHS as I am not on any kind of "body" module. Just Google the words Sprirulina and nails.

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Would you be able to focus on what you can do and are able to do as opposed to what you can’t do, would you be able to compare yourself with yourself, would you be willing to be picky about what you read?
Hi Glen

I would be interested to hear you elaborate on the above.

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Thanks for your insight Glen. I have only been on PATHS for less than a month but have seen what it did for my husband. Actually, I saw changes in him that he hadn't really thought about until I pointed them out. Sometimes others see things in us that we don't see.

I am on the Take if Off module and really don't expect instant gratification. I want to correct a lifetime of behaviors and am willing to invest the time. I have gone on many different fad diets with great results. However, I was only fixing the problem short term and, even then, it took time. I'm in this one for the long haul! I want to change my behaviors and correct the problem once and for all!
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Kevin

Great insights also you wise being!

I feel you hit the nail on the head when you said in part “I just do it” that is the commitment part and you have no doubts at that point. If we humans lined up our thoughts, feelings and actions as best we can in support of that, it is possible to accomplish anything faster.

As you stated in your “watching the pot boil” analogy it “seems” to take longer and that is only our perception of time from our place of frustration and impatience. Eventually though the water will boil, isn’t it nice to know we can accelerate this process with PATHS and of course a COMMITMENT to doing it.

In answer to Barb, please read the response I gave to you over in PI a few weeks ago, before you do that I would make a suggestion that will help you and very possibly many others.

I would like you to take an emotional journey back to when you first held your baby daughter after giving birth, the very first time you held her. Connect with the feelings of that moment (mothers usually connect with this easily within a minute) and feel it in every part of your body. All of that love, joy and bliss, really feel it.

Then go read what I have written here and over at PI and see if you can connect with what is there.

I ask people to do this for a reason: If a person feels angry or frustrated or stuck they cannot easily connect with someone or something that is written or said that is vibrating love and hopefulness. The gap in energy is too big, as a mother in particular connects with the emotions mentioned above, the gap narrows and usually then, someone will see what is being stated. Of course this takes a commitment too, if the first time doesn’t work then commit to doing it again as often as necessary to narrow the gap.

Breezy, I love your commitment and your intention and your language; it is all in alignment with success. If you are interested check out my blog for my experiences with the take it off module.

Wow, that was a long ramble!

Thanks for reading, I appreciate it!

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Old 04-16-2007, 01:38 PM
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What the Bleep...

I have shared many times on the Powerful Intentions PATHS forum, that the movie "What the Bleep do we know..." has helped me understand my own responses to PATHS modules.

If you watch it you too will understand. But simply put, we spend years and years training our mind to respond in certain ways...to reward ourselves with food, to sneak a candy bar, to over eat, to go for the carbs...the habits form receptor cells that actually help create opportunities to repeat the habit...so we are in a vicious cycle...the longer we have practiced the habit, the stronger the recpetor cells....and then we start a PATHS module and we often expect instant results. In some cases the responses are quicker than others. In some cases the responses are more subtle...but PATHS works and works from the inside out....so we slowly begin to develop healthier thought patterns...whether its food choices or confidence or self esteem or spirituality...we are re-wiring response patterns...so PATIENCE! it works and when response patters atre rewired, we then begin to make healhthier choices, mentally, emotionally and spiritually and physically and we develop the new habits that create the new cell receptors that atract more healthy choices that create even more and on and on and on...

I wish I could just express more effectivley the wisdom of PATHS and help anyone who needs a renewal of their mind that can then cascade thruout their entire being.

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Old 04-16-2007, 03:50 PM
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Side effects..

Hi Barb,

I just started my third week on PATHS and have not experienced any 'major' changes. BUT, what I have experienced is such side effects that I didn't even realize it when it happened.
First, my fear of spiders seems to have disappeared. It took me a day to realize that it was the first time I didn't freak out, screaming and running away when this HUGE spider ran in front of my feet. Then it happened again, and this time I even picked it up with a tiny little spade and threw it outside, and THAT is unheard of when it comes to me.
Second, it took me over a week, to realize that I actually felt calmer inside,, because the change was so subtle, but the calm feeling is still there so I know something has shifted.
Then a few days ago, I realized I hadn't had coffee for over a week! I always start my mornings with coffee, so it was weird not to even see the difference!

The spider and coffee 'issues' was so totally unexpected, and I don't know what modules to give credit to for this, but i really don't care... it's just a great feeling, because now I KNOW that PATHS work, even though I can't really say I have felt the changes I expected.

If you have a good look, Barb, maybe there has been some other changes in you, that you might have dismissed because it hasn't been the changes you were looking for?

Just a thought...

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That's a great point Moria.
Tis easy to miss something..anything..if your focus is on something else.

It's also helpful I think to highlight the fact that there is a certain way of thinking and feeling and acting necessary to create positive change in your life, whether you utilize PATHS as a growth tool or not.

One of the fabulous gifts I am grateful for about this forum, and any forum for that matter is that in sharing ideas and experiences with one another we have the opportunity to be introduced to essential information, the opportunity to consolidate the essential information (repetition being the mother of skill) and the opportunity to notice new things about our own behaviour we can correct thru exposure to others.

And..tis lovely to share the path of self discovery with others too

in gratitude

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Old 04-18-2007, 12:20 AM
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Great comments Roz & Moira!

I have found that in the lower levels of the emotional guidance system (anger, frustration etc) you really cannot see things that are staring you right in the face. From my experience with my energy work, when we humans are in those lower levels our energy is focused on the reptilian brain and our 1st charka. This is the survival and fight or flight energy and as that is in the heightened state there is less energy available and needed for other functions.

A good example of this that everyone can connect with is the misplacement of keys. This often happens when we are running late or angry about something or even running late. We go to pick up the keys and they are not there, we search in all the usual places, still no keys, we may blame the kids or the pets, what have they done to hide the keys. Then we go looking again and again over the same spots looking for the keys without success.

When we finally let go, surrender to the fact that ok we are going to be late, guess what happens the keys are now visible, not only that, they are now visible in the SAME spot we looked numerous times before. How can that be, how could we not see they keys that were clearly there?

It’s all about the energy.

In appreciation

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Old 04-18-2007, 01:09 AM
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What a great thread this turned out to be!

So many ideas from it all hitting me at once. . . .cannot compute. . .

First off HERE is where I asked the question about spirulina that I just asked on another thread because I forgot where I first asked it. Whoops!

What Glen wrote about "are we there yet?" - I also wondering if that question is part of the "rebelling" that can take place when starting a module? The person is going, "I don't feel more positive" or whatever the case. . maybe because of the module(?)

Maybe it's just when you have a strong expectation, especially about something very unfamiliar to you.

In any case, there is someone I'm going to be cutting and pasting a bit of this thread for -starting with Glen's post And that key analogy is such a good example!

In my case I didn't have a clue how long it should take and don't remember thinking much about it until I realized it had fully kicked in and I was feeling GOOD.

Actually that's entirely true. I met someone the very first week I started and I think PATHS had to do with it. It was just a good connection for me to make and the way it happened, there were synchronicites going on that seemed out of the ordinary.

Barb, every time I see you post I want to fix your issue, whatever it is. So I keep comming up with questions for you, sorry if it's annoying. This time I wondering about the name in your control panel area. Maybe I missed something and you are all set now. But if not, is that the name everyone calls you by? You might have got that asked before, but that is supposed to be important. Anyway that interview looks JUICY I am looking forward to reading it!!!!!!!!

Frank,

Ooh I saw that movie in the theater when it first came out but I only remember a little. I gotta see it again now

Moria,

You are surely on your way!! That is crazy about the coffee. I mean, I love it too and I can't imagine that. Although I am not hitting the cup during the day as often as I was before I started PATHS
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more on the connection btwn feelings and behaviours

..following on from your tidbits about the intensity of energy in the lower charkras Glen...

Abraham (Abraham-Hicks.com) feeling scale is one easy method for explaining the range of feelings available to us in our every day.

And..as Glen's example of the missing keys so eloquently expresses...the greater the intensity of our negative feelings...the less prone we seem to be in our awareness of what our thinking/acting is doing to us..and subsequently, the less able (empowered) we feel to turn the situation into one that feels much better and gives us the results we want.

One explanation for this..so I believe..is that our bodies are so consumed by the level of energy they are feeling (and negative energy is as draining as positive energy is as feel good activity producing) that there is little room left for focusing/noticing anything else.

So..how then..can we physically turn this around...how can we draw our attention to our behaviour..our thoughts..(if we know that focusing these will give us directly the results we focus on...good or bad...)

well..here is where PATHS shines it mighty light..for in accessing universal intelligence directly..thru the info being planted into our sub con mind..we are enabling the process of rebirthing from the ground up.

1.our bodies start to rebuild at a cellular level(physiology)..enabling a more receptive storehouse to receive info for alternate positive information
(this is why mood elevation is sooooo powerful)
2.our minds are being replaced with new positive thinking material, and so we develop a better capacity to understand and recognise our thinking processes and create better ones to serve us better(self esteem module deserves a real plug here)

Here is the follow thru for why the experiences are so different for each of us.
Apart from the obvious "I want a BMW..and Pamela wants a brand new art studio for example..our states of being are different, based on the extent of positive/negative experiences we have had in the past.

So...each of those parts of us (outlined in the 2 points above) will require different (healing) input..according to own particular transitional needs.. and according to how far the distance is btwn where our feeling/activity habits currently are..and where we would actually like them to be.

Understanding the beauty of this really takes the pressure off having to compete/compare with anyone else..for we can recognise each of us are on our own magnificent journey and the technology is based on universal principles and will therefore work for all of us..if we allow it to take the time the transition will take for us..as individuals.

to your continued success
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:07 AM
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Roz

Thanks for your post.

In regard to how people can physically turn this emotional frustration around, just being on PATHS is not sufficient for some. PATHS does do all that you wrote in your post and even for some who are frustrated they will get relief from using PATHS and be less frustrated

It clear for those who are in such strong deep rooted place of frustration, who continually use mantras like “I’m stuck” or “this isn’t working” “what am I doing wrong” that PATHS or anything else for that matter will stand little or no chance of working in the short term or if at all.

This is of course quite a small, yet vocal % of people, it doesn’t matter if it’s PATHS or the Secret it won’t work for them. The natural thing to do then is to build a book of evidence to support this perspective, attract others with a similar energy and start an “anti” movement.

How it can work more effectively is of course to do PATHS and focus their emotions on something that brings or has brought them joy and activate that as much as possible throughout the day. The example I gave in an earlier post about getting the feeling of holding a new born baby for the first time, has allowed many people to break out of this emotional block. There are many others, favorite vacations, orgasms; graduations etc can all be used to move someone out of frustration. If you are in that joy of any of these moments, then you cannot be at the same time stuck, as this builds momentum, then PATHS is able to do its work effectively.

More to come in the future, for those who are struggling to build momentum.

In Appreciation

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Old 04-19-2007, 12:52 AM
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For promoting JOY in my own life I will do the following: Hug my Dog Kipling, Hug my Hubby Sean, call a good Friend, do my Energy work, watch Paths, Meditate, go for a walk in Nature, do my Gardening, spend time on forums like this to learn more about myself through interacting with likeminded folks like yourselves, watch happy shows on TV/fun Movies (I just finished watching "Forrest Gump" just for the pure joy of it), honor what I feel like doing in the moment. For example, if the house needs cleaning and I don't feel like doing it I will go on to something else which I resonate with in that moment, and then within a day or two invariably, I will have all this wonderful sparkly energy to lavish on cleaning my home. Then I am cleaning for the pure joy of cleaning. But being in joy is very important to me because I see the results from my "Feeling State" when in that frequency.

I agree with you, Glen, that some people might need a bit more than just one modality for change and healing, some tweaking, if you will, and yet, for others, one modality might be all that they require. And Feeling the feelings from one of your happy moments in life is a great idea while watching Paths.

One of my happiest moments that I can recall is when I was about 10 maybe and we'd just come from the beach and each of us got a couple of dollars to spend on candy. I bought this incredible fizzy candy and it was cheap so I got a lot of it and I still had candy left when we got home. When I recall that memory it is actually glowing goldenly because I felt so Abundant in so many ways that day. Going to the beach on a hot summer day with friends and family, having a picnic on the beach, playing in the water, laying in the sun tanning, drinking water right from the natural Swedish springs. Laughing lots. Feeling loved and warm. And topping it off with fizzy candy! Life is good

And now I feel all fuzzy again
Good times!
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What lovely pictures you paint Ulrika..feeeling great sharing that with ya..

me thinx this convo has travelled full circle..lol

As I reabsorb all the remarkable contributions so far and marvel at the variety of expression within the English language and appreciate the mutliple ideas and experiences expressed here for reinforcing our understanding I am thoroughly grateful to be a part of it Thanku!

I am also grateful for the thoughts resonating within me that remind me that this is at its base is about connecting with what is ours to have, and ..who we truly are.

It is good to feel good..I am remembering..for it is your birthright to do so.

It is good to do things that make you feel good..good to adopt ways of thinking that make you feel good..and absolutely utterly fabulous to know that you have the capacity to do so.

So...from wherever it is that you develop your own understanding, whatever growth tools you utilize to tap into this great success flow..knowing that you can have it, knowing that you deserve it, knowing that you can learn how to receive it, and that there are also other people's faith you can hang onto until you know it for yourself...is mighty helpful stuff to hear me thinx

in gratitude
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Ulrika

That is beautiful; I could feel myself there with you just reading that! Natural Swedish springs, that feels good.

We all have moments such as this that we can go back to in an instant and when we do, it feels good and when it feels good we are in the flow. In the flow, PATHS can then do it’s work more easily and you never know it may just go a little faster too.

In appreciation

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Old 04-24-2007, 12:10 AM
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Great thread, you guys! This conversation reminds of something that my wonderful brother-in-law taught me several years ago now, that was really one of those jumpstart moments and tools for moving myself into a better emotional place. It looked like I was going to lose my beloved house, which I was renting, because my landlord had died and I was not in a financial position to buy a house. I had a Gift for Catastrophizing back then, which I was painstakingly learning to Not Use, but in this particular scenario I was Castastrophizing Like Crazy...and since we know that like attracts like, my thoughts were snowballing down the My Life Is Ruined I Am Such A Loser superhighway.

We were at a family gathering, and I was crying in the kitchen, telling my sister my tale of woe and all the Really Horribly Bad Stuff I Just Knew Would Come Of This. My brother-in-law overheard us, and he stepped in and invited me back to a more secluded place in the house. He had me sit and relax, breathe, and count backwards from 10, and then he led me in this very very simple visualization. He told me to go in my mind to someplace where I had been totally happy and peaceful.

Like Ulrika, my happy place was the beach. I imagined myself lying on a particular beach where I had spent a lot of time as a young woman, the hot sand, the sun beating down on me (I love that), the sound of the waves coming in in the distance, the way people's voices sound from a distance when you're lying on the beach. I even felt the way the hot sand cradled my body beneath my big fluffy beach towel, and I felt myself swirling the sand through my fingers and toes the way I used to lying on the beach. And I felt so happy and peaceful and relaxed. It was like I was really at the beach.

He had me go to two more "happy places" in that session. All beaches, as it happened. It took all of 6 minutes. By the end of it I was blissed out. I started doing "happy place" meditations like that at night before going to sleep and in the morning before starting my day.

That practice alone did wonders for me in improving how I felt and therefore improving what I attracted (which I didn't understand back then...). And....yes...I was eventually able to buy my house. Looking back now, I'd be willing to bet that one lesson in going to my happy place was what set in motion a year of miracles culminating in me being able to buy the house instead of move.

xxooxx
cb

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Usually changes manifest in situations. I dont think many of us just wake up and think: "Oh, I m more developed person today as I was yesterday before bed". And all situations dont happen daily. So be patient .
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