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  • The Electric Field.

    Now that I am starting to realize that there are two distinct fields produced from wires, one being the Magnetic field and one of the Electric field. The Magnetic field has already been just about fully explored. We know it capabilities pretty good but we have very little to describe the Electric Field.

    The Electric Field that I am talking about is the type of field like the exciter variety. This field has a mass effect on the particles finer then what is affecting the Magnetic field. This field particle density is vastly huge but of very little mass. So the heavy Magnetic field doesn't effect this kind of particle much. At those dimensions mass = effective pull and subsequent movement from that pull. Basically if it has less mass then it doesn't move much when a heavy pull is on it. But it can move laterally very well. If that process only included reacting to your neighbors.

    The Electric field is formed from the source extending outward or to be exact Longitudinally. That way the particles that are attracted to their neighbors self organize to the greatest attraction. This causes a growing like effect of the line it creates. Propagation of the Electric field is a linear growth from the source to the effective length of that strength to organize or keep organized that string. You can imagine millions of threads emitting from the conductor in a 90 degree fashion from the source plane to the end of that string. These string are extremely mobile in the lateral directions and when they mass they act like jelly.

    There are two modes to modulate this field. One is to put additional coils around the source to modify it's field through a surface like tension and vibrate the field. The other mode is by turning on and off the source in effect modulating the length of each strand. Since normal space wants to disorganize or change back to the ambient conditions it's relaxation time is about nil. Also it's organization times are about the same nil. That means they can move way faster then traditional Magnetic field technology and I suspect with a greater force or better efficiency.

    You got to understand what kind of a field we are talking about here. This is the field responsible for light. That means it MUST be some slight percentage faster then light. It will respond to magnetic energy but it has a different phase to it. A 90 degree phase. No matter what the phase relationship they can be separated. If you short out the magnetic component you are left with the electric field that is still attached to the source. This filed will condense on matter and ultimately is inside all of matter. It just has a lesser density then matter has. But what little density this energy pockets have in between matter it is capable on immense conduction.

    This leads me to the phenomena of space and the vacuum. Where little matter exists the network or field is massive. It conducts energy better then anything around because it has little matter to restrict the flow. Matter is a separation of this field which creates surfaces and tensions and are an operable part of that equation.

    So how do we utilize this information? Well I was thinking that if these strings move laterally pretty well and magnetic fields can influence their path If we variated the strength of the strings then they would become pliable or even stiff if we wanted to. Just like a cantilever we could use this to our advantage. We could even use great pulses to generate huge amounts of power just like Tesla had envisioned.

    What I think is that these strings have great power because they are all around the field. It takes a lot to stop them when they move in unison like jelly moves. With the AV plug that was re-invented by Avramenko we saw the ability to use Tesla's waves only using one broadcast wire.

    Here is a good read about the afore mentioned:

    Frolov on resonant tuning and the Avramenko plug

    If you start reading up on the Exciter pages you will start to see that there is very little field involved. Although I have see 20 foot ranges from a simple exciter circuit the range is limited because the strength of the source voltage is rather low when compared to the 20-50k volt range.

    The frequency of the pulsations also is a limiting factor when this type of energy is employed. Thats why Tesla used an analog diode/oscillator called the spark gap. Imagine the millions of cycles that would come from a spark gap. This is where Tesla got the idea to use a magnetic quenched spark gap. He figured out there were two fields at play and learned that when you use a magnetic implement you could control the other field just like his mentor did in the explanation of radiant matter with light propagation. He was able to affect the light because it rode within this other field.

    These are not facts in Theory they are observations given by our forefathers. I am merely commenting and gathering up all the observations and linking them together. I could have parts wrong as I am human but these seem to be the meaning of these observations as far as I can tell. Lets discuss this. Maybe we can design proof of this in our experiments.

  • #2
    Hi Jbignes5, Nice post. Make sense. The part in bold particularly. It stands to reason to me that if we raise the frequency of some matter with resonance of some kind, sonic, electrical whatever we can raise the level of energy concentrated in that matter at any given point in time. In an electrical sense this would cause energy to leak I imagine possibly in a rapid and repetitive manner eg. Carona or Arcing, and in a sonic sense it would cause vibration and excess sound or sound cancellation. Maybe ? Does that make any sense.

    You got to understand what kind of a field we are talking about here. This is the field responsible for light. That means it MUST be some slight percentage faster then light. It will respond to magnetic energy but it has a different phase to it. A 90 degree phase. No matter what the phase relationship they can be separated. If you short out the magnetic component you are left with the electric field that is still attached to the source. This filed will condense on matter and ultimately is inside all of matter. It just has a lesser density then matter has. But what little density this energy pockets have in between matter it is capable on immense conduction.

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    • #3
      yeah it does.

      I think that is what causes radiative matter in the gross sense to radiate. The matter resonates and fluctuates this field inside of it. Kinda like a filter. The type of radiative frequency is guided by the matter itself. Think of it as a huge sponge. When it is soaked and floating in the water it has so much water in it it is saturated. When you push your finger into the sponge some water comes out in a squishy way and instantly refills from it's own body. The displacement of your finger to the body could easily refill from the total surface area of the body in less time then a blink of an eye.

      You could think of matter as a pump of sorts. What it pumps is what is residing in between it's own layers. It self regulates because of matter. In this sense matter is the organizer of this energy when masses of matter cling together. Taking the filter analogy further this is why matter stays matter. Take for instance gold. Why does it not fall apart and change over time. The basic energy is without form. It is what light is based off of. Sort of a super fluid, this energy flows with relative ease except for where matter displaces it. As with an island it has unique wave patterns around that island and in this sense water can easily be replaced with this energy. In fact all water is a condensation of this energy bound by the matter of oxygen and hydrogen. When you leech energy from water it cools and becomes less pliable. It forms structures based on the geometry of the underlying energy pockets. The physical part of water freezes as the energy gets sucked out of the water and a structure is left made from the absence of this energy.

      Somehow I got off the reason why matter stays matter. Once matter condenses it starts the process of pumping at it's own resonant frequency. This pumping causes a static charge to buildup on the matter and that is what holds and allows matter to grow. How does the static charge get there, well this energy leaves a tad bit behind as it is being pumped by the matter. So it generates it's own cling in the very first every perpetual motion machine. Smaller then you can see with the naked eye.

      I hope this helps to understand the underlying reasons to what we are observing on this forum. Especially in some of the experiments and designs made by our brightest minds here. There should be more to come as I ponder and observe as much as I can about this.

      Thank you for the help with this Farmhand and I await others to join in and report what they can relate to this. This is an open discussion with no limits. If you want to speak then do it no mater who that might be, no matter if I have disagreed with you in the past. This is totally open to anyone.

      We have to understand at some point that we are all in this together. Even if we disagree at some point we must agree. We need this to go forward and not backwards. We need to stop trying to sell energy to one another that is most abundant and help our world to access it.
      Last edited by Jbignes5; 01-29-2011, 01:05 AM.

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      • #4
        This is really interesting stuff and very usefull too eventually. I was looking through the link you provided just quickly this time but i picked up this part below, which relates to the Don Smith device sebosfato is decifering at the moment. I think this part in bold is what he is explaining.

        This difference will show the nature of this type of free power arc. Positive
        potential on the wire will provide for the attraction of free electrons from
        the metal of the screw-driver. It is not the current of conductivity that you
        are witnessing, but the DISPLACEMENT CURRENT
        .
        Once the basics of this stuff dawned on me it seems very simple. But trying to explain it to somebody is really difficult. You have explained it very well and much the same as how I envision it too. Your thinking is much more advanced than mine, i'm just still trying to grasp the ramifications of how even the basics seems to affect everything. From energy harnessing to health. Really amazing stuff. It's a privilidge to learn about it for free. And like you say we don't have to agree to agree.

        Cheers

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        • #5
          Well there is one very important rule this follows.

          It has to be simple. Why because all of nature uses it. These other lines of force are the conduits that make connections and gives objects motion. Once that motion starts it is a self generating process. The object moves through the medium or space and in that movement it causes the medium to move through the object. The medium sheds a portion of its own energy and the object binds that energy in between it's matter. This is inertia! It is why everything seems to have a basic charge level.

          I wanted to say that every time I hear the word electron it makes me wince. Well I tend to agree with the electron shell. A bubble if you will around a mass. Just like we have layers to our planets atmosphere there are layers to this electron shell. In fact if we look at our own planet as a guide it models an atom exactly. With each layer getting further from the surface we have a stepping up of the charge of that layer. This happens because of the surface area goes up for each layer going outwards.

          Don't worry about how advanced my thinking is. Just remember that it should be simple to understand because it happens the same way from our planet to the center of our universe. These are the basic rules and a lot of brilliant people did the aha moment and slapped their heads when they realized how simple this was. Imagine spending 20 years of your life learning very complex math to explain how our current system works only to find out that is not the real system. Our current system is synthetic, an invention if you will, that is very very destructive to the components. In nature that doesn't happen much. Yes there are some processes that are very destructive and don't last long but on average it is a non destructive process.

          Look at uranium for example. How does it radiate so much with so little matter? It is a resonant effect of the matter itself. Even when idle the matter is filtering the basic energy and transforms it into waves. Very destructive waves but waves none the less. It seems this energy is endless and basically it is. Everything uses this basic energy. It is what everything is afloat in and to an extent it is what impregnates all matter. The way matter reacts to the basic energy pumping through it is what gives all of the effects that any matter we can think of shows.

          Eventually I have to start putting what I am seeing in my mind down in perfect examples that I could simulate on the computer. This would be the ultimate way to show this process and like others have said before a picture is worth a thousand words. I was hoping someone skilled in the art would help me with that but as of today no such offers have come my way.

          Hopefully someone will step up and help out with that.

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          • #6
            Here is where Tesla got his real education.

            Sir William Crookes - On Radiant Matter

            Just a reference to the starting point that I went back to. Obviously they said he was wrong or in error but to tell you the truth I think he was spot on. We have no way to detect this electric field and the network it forms because we have not designed suitable detection apparatus. We think in a mono theory when all along there are many aspects to energy. Some have went down the road of discovery here only to be thwarted by the ones who control it all. They shame and destroy the lives of the ones who are brilliant enough to understand the simple process to keep that control of "energy" when we are literally swimming in it. Tesla didn't go down because his thoughts and discoveries didn't work. He went down because if they couldn't control (sell) energy then they would not have anything but self sustainability. They were and are greedy people and in fact this still goes on today. Just look at this forum and the way it is going. You now see adds everywhere in fact there are now threads opening up that are just plain buy me threads.

            If we are trying to learn about the internal workings of energy and the processes behind it that should be a scientific endeavor not a profiteering boon. Scientific principles should be for every Human and not rationed for the ones who can afford it. But as it is taught to us from day one the earning potential of you or me is the only focus. We will pay whatever price to get ahead of the next guy and thats not what being human is about. We are thrown into a survival mode constantly because we refuse to listen to our most brilliant people. If I had access to all the energy out there what would they have to control me? I could move anywhere in the universe and have the ultimate control over my life and this is what scares them. Look at our history and you will see it isn't about Humanity it is about greed and lust for control over their fellow Human. It's not about learning the truth it is at this moment about survival of the fittest.

            Ok.. I said my peace about that...

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            • #7
              I wanted to post this information up in the beginning....

              BEST AVAILABLE COP - Google Patent Search

              I have shown this patent in many threads on this forum and no one has caught the significance of it yet. *clue* Toroid coils with a core in them have no external filed lines yet the field coils of the generator are toroidal. So what field is effecting the rotor coils?

              If one follows the magnetic field lines but put another field 90 degrees out of phase to the magnetic flux in the core you will start to see that this electric field is in a huge donut around the toroid core. Electric field lines emanate 90 degrees from magnetic flux lines. They stream out of the core like a pincushion and I suspect that they are stronger then magnetic flux lines. Hence why Tesla used the toroid in the first place. The core is used to pull the magnetic field lines into itself, effectively shorting out the magnetic component and then he uses the electric field to motivate the rotor. The poles he is talking about are the Electric field poles that escape between the windings. A winding encloses the core and keeps the electric field bound but at the breaks in between the coils the electric field is allowed to escape. Anywhere there is a coil the electric field is coupled to that coil and adds to the voltage present in the coil. Each wrap increases this potential like stacking batteries does.

              Now lets move onto bifilar coils. A bifilar coils shorts out the magnetic field and only allows the electric field to propagate. If there is no core the effect is allowed to go to it's fullest potential. Likewise if a normal single wound coil is wound air core style you can see the action of the electric field in a huge radius from that coil. It both blocks heavy current so the magnetic portion of the field slowly dissipates the further you go along on the coil. The coil itself blocks current for the most part and the Electric field grows from the magnetic side twords the electric end. Since the magnetic component is contained more strongly inside of the coil you can see why the Electric field radiates out of the air core in straight lines. I might have this part a little wrong but from what I am seeing the Magnetic field is the balance of the Electric field. The magnetic field is costly to maintain but the Electric field is the real driving force to all Magnetic interactions. When you short out the Magnetic component with a core the Electric component is free to do it's job more efficiently.

              This comes from the observations of pure voltage devices like led's and cfl's. It take very little to run these devices in a current sense and this is where we are seeing effects that we can not explain. Also a good example of this is the Captret. Capacitors effectively separate the current from the potential. It allows us to use led's or even cfl's with very little impact on the source device. I have been running the Captret on my little 7ah 12v battery for a month now with very little impact on the source battery. This is all because of the power of the electric field which is based purely on voltage potentials can do work without depleting the source. Yes you have to maintain the source and that I will leave up to a Bedini style charger. Why reinvent the wheel, right?

              Now lets get back to this design that Tesla had. Although the patent is a basic design he tells you that it can be put on one shaft and operated in OU mode. In fact that is what he did. Here is the link for that experiment:

              More Insight into the Tesla Car

              This I believe is the account of this patent. Tesla went back to this design after the fiasco with the Wardencliff tower. He knew there was no way to centralize the power distribution network and men like his backers where in to make money not give this resource away. So Tesla figured in order to enact the change he must bring it to each man as an individual power source.

              Walla this is the basic setup he used. It is the reported Lockridge device but not a modification of existing motors. Tesla specifically states that if motors are to be used they have to be of this particular design shown in the patent to work correctly (refer to the "motor" design in the patent. Lower left on the picture.).

              Ok that should be enough for now.

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              • #8
                Here is a link for the electric field and how it relates to magnetism.

                Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                Hmm it is funny how they mention electrostatics in that description and gravity for that mater.

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                • #9
                  Some more information.

                  Although I don't subscribe to the esoteric views this video shows there is some good information that others have come to about what I have been talking about on the physical side of things.

                  YouTube - Q- matrix of illusion why we may be part of it

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                  • #10
                    Ok I just watched that video and I must say that I don't agree fully either.
                    I can see why you said you don't full agree with it. I definately draw the line
                    that we make reality just by observing, that doesn't make sense because
                    many people see the same thing yet they believe differently. However I do
                    agree about the mass and frequency relationships and a lot of the other stuff
                    too. There are some major discrepencies to my thinking in that video but
                    there was also some things I agree with completely.

                    People seem to still make the mistake of thinking there is a begining. The
                    reality for me is, at the moment there is no end so I see no reason for a
                    begining, there may well have been one but it is no longer important. What is
                    important is what is and how it is happening. Looking to the begining is
                    usually a good way to work out how something happened, but not in this
                    case. Because it would be impossible to recognise even if we could see it.

                    Attributing everything to an original conciousness is convenient but it
                    explains nothing.

                    It's just like someone saying again that - " Hey i've worked it all out
                    everything is a cause of an all encompasing conciousness." But !! Where
                    did the all encompasing conciousness come from ?

                    No I think there is no point to trying to work out where the begining of the
                    begining was or what it was. There is just no point because even if you are
                    looking back in time there is no end just like when you look forward. Simple.

                    Cheers

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                    • #11
                      like I said it has it's points.

                      I guess for me there is a little truth in there but they forget that we have this view point. The observer is the viewpoint and they conveniently say that it is all imagined because caching that amount of data at one time would be impossible.

                      The points that make me go humm are the it's all information. I would say that matter holds this information. It is the place marker and changes over time. what they forget is that everything is going on simultaneously and no one can be everywhere. That doesn't mean it isn't happening just because it isn't being viewed by us. They assume there is no other observer then us and thats the error.

                      The message that I am getting out of this is that we in fact are all one energy or was at one point. Since energy is non destructive it is the common factor of everything. My take on this is that even with death we should be able to continue our voyage just not on this earth. Our lives are spent learning what not to do to each other and what to do to maintain our energy pattern. Organization of energy is what our matter does.

                      So I thought I would show the esoteric side of the equation.

                      You know Farmhand I though others would take a bite at this and I think no one wants to find the real truth. So I guess me and you are left to this. I am gonna build the generator that Tesla patented. I think this is the tool to teach others. It was the one design that has all the pieces in one patent. If you look at the generator field coils we can see that this is indeed the way to use toroids with the electric field. It is funny how Steorn uses toroids as well and might I suggest in the wrong way. This could be the reason they are having a hard time getting it to work. Well building the unit is the only way to tell.

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                      • #12
                        Hi Jbignes5, I agree. Stan talks about this but not like this he chose to look at it in a purely religious and scientific way. There are others that talk of the matrix and the hologram. It can be a little disconcerting to think about. Until you let go. Then it's like instant freedom in the mind, but the body remains locked into the same old thing. It didn't take too much imagination for me to realise that the thinking part of us, the actual thoughts are pure energy. But it is saturated in the manifestation of mass at the density our own conciousness determins. It's true if we can raise our own relevent frequency maybe into resonance, we can increase the amount of energy present in our mass. Like Qigong Qigong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                        You know Farmhand I though others would take a bite at this and I think no one wants to find the real truth. So I guess me and you are left to this. I am gonna build the generator that Tesla patented. I think this is the tool to teach others. It was the one design that has all the pieces in one patent. If you look at the generator field coils we can see that this is indeed the way to use toroids with the electric field. It is funny how Steorn uses toroids as well and might I suggest in the wrong way. This could be the reason they are having a hard time getting it to work. Well building the unit is the only way to tell.
                        Yes thats a good project, where to start ? The generator ? Need a rotor.
                        Maybe need to find one. I have some idea's. I think sticking as close as possible to the way the drawing looks and the patent reads is a good idea.

                        I think it could easily run itself, and generate.

                        ,,,,,,

                        Of course "The Universal One" by Walter Russel is a very good place to learn all about the fundamentals of how The Electric Field causes matter to form and disintergrate.

                        Walter_Russell-The_Universal_One.pdf - Windows Live

                        Cheers
                        Last edited by Farmhand; 01-30-2011, 03:38 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Looking at energy was popular with some distinguished scientist.

                          Imagine the trouble Pieter Zeeman had in 1896 explaining he saw things going on with magnetic fields.
                          Today we can use his discovery in determining electron paramagnetic resonance and energy levels.
                          Chem435. Physical Chemistry Laboratory. Lab7. ESR Spectroscopy.
                          Also you can notice the distinct difference between longitudinal and transverse waves using the visual effect that
                          Zeeman introduced.

                          Longitudinal wave the rings separate into two.
                          YouTube - longtitudinal Zeeman Effect

                          Transverse wave the rings separate into three .
                          YouTube - transverse Zeeman effect

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                          • #14
                            Walter's Diagrams

                            These two diagrams explain a lot. Not much I can say to explain them. Except it's all caused by the Electric Field.

                            http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...ram.jpg?psid=1

                            http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...l-3.jpg?psid=1

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                            • #15
                              This is what I am thinking.

                              Let this picture give you a clue:



                              Thats what I am thinking is happening around a wire or even an atom for that fact or even our planet or the solar system or the galaxy or the universe.

                              It's the universal mechanic of the fields we see everywhere. The strings are attracted to the source. They go straight out the source like a pincushion. They are most likely loosely attached to the flakes that make up the matter and are anchored to the source inside of matter. They will vibrate because the flakes that are attracted to the source are in constant motion going in and out. The flakes are like scales around the source energy and it is much like a boat rides the surface tension of water. So these flakes modulate the strings based on the mass of flakes and the base amount of energy inside of the atom. Particles on that scale always resonate because of the mass of the particle when in the underlying energy flow is so finite that it is absolute. Different combination of the scales and base energy level determines what the matter is. I would say that internal to the atom there is a conductor or amplifier of the ambient energy. This is what attracted the scales in the first place because you have to have more energy in one direction to cause an attraction.

                              So to get back to the picture lets look at the parallel surface lines then. Remember that the picture is only a half slice of the atom or planet. The layers we are seeing are harmonic convergences of the electric field lines. Meaning that the ones sticking out or radiating are also vibrating as well because of the influence of the scales around the source. This causes quiet areas as the fat vibrating bulges come into resonance. They are fat because as a string vibrates it starts to rotate like a jump rope. It is here that the magnetic lines are formed in a shell around the atom or planet. In the case of our planet these shells would be the different shells of our atmosphere. Now the magnetic lines are huge super shells of condensed energy that is squeezed in between the vibrating strings. These shells are the electron so to speak.

                              Ok so now we know how I am thinking here. How does this apply to the device I want to investigate?

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